I lose every feeling after like 15mins...?!

Aneros devices are 'mind and body' devices.  Your body needs to become accustomed with the new object and learn how to subconsciously work your internal muscles to make this strange object induce some amazing sensation.  Some people can do this quickly and some (like me) need achieve it over many years.

Traditional orgasm can disrupt this learning sequence. 

Keep at it you will eventually break the glass ceiling.   

@chestinut

Sure, but it can't be normal that I can count the time when I lose the sensation with a stopwatch? If I read other threads here and on reddit of Aneros-noobs they state they can try it for hours until the muscles get sore. But I can't continue after like 15mins.... and it doesn't matter if I did the "do nothing" like yesterday or if I do the slightest contractions. The difference is just how long I will experience voluntaries. For the whole 15mins or just a few.... but it just ends at some point..... that's a bit underwhelming. As I said, relaxing-wise I tried almost anything aside from drugs. No idea where I can improve it...

I might suggest your expectations are over powering your state of mind...try going into a session with the idea that you need just enjoy the 15 minutes of pleasure you are reporting nothing more...relax, observe, and enjoy the sensations that you are feeling...in time the 15 minutes of pleasure will go to 30 minutes and then to an hour of more...patience is key. Hope this helps!

Ah well, knowing that pretty much the insertion and the following minutes are the best I get from it I will try next time to sit at the desk and watch some porn and see where it goes. Perhaps I just need some "inspiration".

I have found watching porn during a session is a distraction. Try watching the porn before you begin your session to get your arousal level elevated. Watching it during a session takes my mind away from tuning into the sensations that can build to orgasm. Just my experience.

@rubberdiver

I wish I had the answer  as I experience this also, and have done for years to no solution and no help from others here either. Also its EXACTLY 15 mins as well which is bizarre! If you discover the secret then please let me know!

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@jaxsun
@theeagleandwolf

as I found out by using 2 fingers instead of the toy: I can reach my prostate from a not-so-aroused start. 7,5cm long fingers are not really enough to do much actually... it feels like after the initial penetration that my fingers need to "go around" (up, in the direction of the belly) an edge, I guess that's the pubic bone? The thing is, while jerking the cock I noticed the prostate kinda moved away from my fingers, more inside/away from them. I assume that this is the actual reason I lose all sensation after that 15mins, that makes me question:

Does the Aneros Helix or MGX actually can reach "around that edge"?

Somehow I doubt that even the Progasm would help..?

Last chance for Aneros: I just ordered a Progasm because it's bigger... hopefully it will reach around enough. 

Is there any form/size-comparison (maybe overlayed) aside from the PDF? Something that shows the dimension compared over all models? 

Since I now already dumped 150€ on Aneros-toys I checked for some cheaper toys that look like they could be better-suited:

a Pure Wand ripoff https://amzn.to/2ORQ5N5
a prostate massager that aside from vibration also features pressure https://amzn.to/2OWkcmH

If I get it still on Saturday I will try it in the evening/night and tell you if the Progasm actually lived up to it's name or if I again lose all stimulation.... if, I will just continue with the wand-rippoff and check if I can manually stimulate my prostate. What I wonder:

Does manual stimulation has the same effect as the "automatic" stimulation from the aneros? Especially if I actively have to control the toy (sounds distracting?) and not being able to elax completely? 

Last hope would be that vibrator-toy that has the moving head.... else I will have to quit on prostate stimulation... 😐

Hi there. I suggest that you stick to the the helix and other non-vibrating toys. I agree with @chestinut that 3 weeks is a very short amount of time to pass a judgement on this ever-so-subtle practice.  Poke around on this forum and you will see many people who have been at it for months or years, without ever attaining the mythical super-O. The point of these toys isn't to just insert and feel pleasure. Rather it is to change the way we perceive pleasure. They are simply a crutch to help us gain access to a different realm of arousal, which for some means peaceful meditative states and for others, body-contorting convulsive orgasms, and everything in between.

If you decide to go the route of buying bigger toys, manually stimulating, or using vibrating toys, it is almost guaranteed that you will continue to be disappointed.  I am saying that through my personal experience, as well as through the testimony of many others here, and based on advice given on the wiki male g-spot page.  (I recommend you re-read that page in detail at least 1 more time as well.) By pounding the prostate, you are surely going to feel something, but the sensation will be too strong to make any real progress in the direction of prostate orgasms . Most here agree that vibrating toys numb the prostate. And if you go at it too hard you can seriously damage your prostate (there is an anecdote of that floating round here somewhere). Lastly, careful with njoy wand knock-offs, as some are rumored to be cheaply plated and susceptible to flaking sharp chunks of metal in your rectum.  Whether it is true or not... I wouldn't care to find out the hard way.

Prostate orgasms are based on amplifying micro-sensations through quasi-meditative states. We all have different ideas of what that meditation means, but most people here seem to agree that the sensations must be gentle (that is, not vibrating, pounding, or manually induced pressure, nor extreme clenching).  If you can't feel anything with your toy in, try slow and gentle clenches (VERY gentle) and see what that feels like. If you overdo the clenches it can numb everything. Focus on what you do feel from the toy, pressure on your anus or on your perineum. Focus on sensations elsewhere in your body. Take your time.... 

I'd absolutely agree with divine_oblivion. Perhaps you already kind of frightened your gland away?

Concerning the size of your tool, you should internalize this schematic figure. If your gland escapes from its place you'd better ask a doctor for an examination for inguinal hernia instead of chasing your gland outside. If in absence of any Aneros we nevertheless can stimulate our prostate by some contractions, I'd guess you are using a lot too much pressure to constrain "success". Never mind. Only my 2 cts here.

Perhaps it helps to read an early report from my blog titled "The Noisy Cricket". It's about size too.

Good vibes!

Mart

Posted by: @sowithoutaneros

I'd absolutely agree with divine_oblivion. Perhaps you already kind of frightened your gland away?

Concerning the size of your tool, you should internalize this schematic figure. If your gland escapes from its place you'd better ask a doctor for an examination for inguinal hernia instead of chasing your gland outside. If in absence of any Aneros we nevertheless can stimulate our prostate by some contractions, I'd guess you are using a lot too much pressure to constrain "success". Never mind. Only my 2 cts here.

"frightend away"? Can you explain this a bit in depth?

Funny enough I was at a doc for something else and this wasn't a prob, and I guess that stuff would hurt badly, too. No pain, no discomfort. Perhaps a tiny (empty?) bladder can be a reason? What makes me really wonder: why 15mins every time? And why can't I reach the prostate anymore after I lost all sensations with the Aneros? This makes no sense....

Posted by: @divine_o

and you will see many people who have been at it for months or years, without ever attaining the mythical super-O. The point of these toys isn't to just insert and feel pleasure.

Well, the actual point is I don't expect any SuperO to happen, BUT: I start to feel pleasure right after inserting. The thing is I can set my clock after it, after about 15mins it's gone and I can't get it back, really. That's not a case of "trying to hard" Even if I'm totally relaxed this happens, I once tried to avoid any manual contractions and the feeling still vanished after the said time.... it can't be that my first try was the best and now it goes down the hill....

„Frightened away“ was only a metaphor. My balls like to go up the opposite way without any discomfort, they can „escape“ into my abdomen. Some men need surgery, because they suffer from this being a painful permanent condition. As it‘s necessary for the health of your jewels to keep the temperature low, your balls are hanging lower the warmer the environment is. If they don‘t this can cause severe health issues. I’m no doctor, why my knowledge is limited.

My only advice, don‘t do yourself any harm by poking around in the dark. Some guys have injured their bladder missing their target. Why not ask your doc for an examination and to show you where you find your gland?

The Try Guys did it and can‘t miss their target anymore:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtbAl3AKohs

Cheerio

Mart

I am so annoyed. I just wrote a response for 20 minutes and it wasn't saved and got deleted. 

In a nutshell I wrote:

I am sure you have normal anatomy. You are probably feeling the initial insertion and then afterwards searching for that initial insertion feeling, but your body gets used to it. But in searching for that feeling you are ignoring myriad other sensations.

Have no expectations.

It doesn't matter if the toy isn't pounding your prostate. Many folks here get pleasure without the toy (called A-less), and some even prefer that method. Orgasms can come from any part of the body.

Did I mention how annoyed I am that my beautifully written response got deleted and now I am writing a half-assed response?

I finished my message with something along the lines of, please read a lot more of the forum and give it a lot more time (like, months or years?) before doing anything drastic like giving up or ramming your prostate to smithereens.

This is just my 2 cents, but I would assume this 15 minute thing is mostly psychological.  In other words, you are so convinced that feeling stops at 15 minutes you can literally set a clock to it and it happens.  Most of the pleasures associated with prostate orgasm are initially mentally driven.  That means that as the prostate is stimulated, your brain needs to associate subtle stimulation with pleasure.   Think of it as literally turning on a new nerve cluster for the first time.  Once its turned on, physical stimulation can rapidly bring about these orgasms, as can pure mental focus (simply willing an orgasm to happen).  In your case, however, I suspect at 3 weeks in, your brain has not fully "turned on" this new nerve cluster.   You might be losing sensation because of over stimulation (your brain doesn't know what to do with the stimuli, so it numbs out).  You need to continue to bring this stimulation to peak levels to fully rewire your brain and allow triggering of an orgasm.  With each one it will get easier and easier.  

So the bottom line here is stop over thinking it.  Do not get bigger toys.  Simply use the one you have, submit to the pleasure and enjoy it for however long it lasts.  Stop watching the clock.  Allow yourself to fully relax,  even fall asleep if that happens.  But during each session, think about what feels good and mentally focus on that feeling.  Do no push it.  Do not "try" to send yourself over the edge.  Just stay relaxed, focus on the pleasure.  The more you do this, the stronger it will grow.  

My "success" of aneros is also very rare and most of the times I have only mild background pleasure.

I've had dry orgasms but very rare ones. I definitevely felt pleasure specifically on the prostate.

On the other hand due to how erratic it is for me I also wonder if my prostate is in the "right" place.

I have several different models and they seem similar for me.

When I try to use my finger up there I feel that my sphincter is very close to the bladder (I think) and I feel the prostate but little. So sometimes I wonder too if my prostate is kinda hidden there. I can't be sure of course because I can't compare 😀

Hi Guys,

if you look at the contour I posted, there are three organs involved that casually change their size. The bladder will adopt to it's filling level, the prostate and penis can enlarge with arousal and shrink again. I'd think it might help to keep this in mind while discussing THE "right" place. There might be more than one. Furthermore you can stimulate your gland from your perineum, why we should take in conern, that one or the other might already have gone too deep and is already stimulating his gland from behind the bladder. "Two knuckles deep" isn't that far. 😉

Btw, treating such an extremely sensitive spot too hard or for too long may cause a numbness that can spoil all further discovery.

Cheers, Mart

Posted by: @divine_o

I am so annoyed. I just wrote a response for 20 minutes and it wasn't saved and got deleted. 

In a nutshell I wrote:

I am sure you have normal anatomy. You are probably feeling the initial insertion and then afterwards searching for that initial insertion feeling, but your body gets used to it. But in searching for that feeling you are ignoring myriad other sensations.

Have no expectations.

It doesn't matter if the toy isn't pounding your prostate. Many folks here get pleasure without the toy (called A-less), and some even prefer that method. Orgasms can come from any part of the body.

Did I mention how annoyed I am that my beautifully written response got deleted and now I am writing a half-assed response?

I finished my message with something along the lines of, please read a lot more of the forum and give it a lot more time (like, months or years?) before doing anything drastic like giving up or ramming your prostate to smithereens.

Happened to me, too. don't worry 🙂 One of the reasons I type my longer replies in a notepadwindow. 😛

Actually I don't think it is just the insertion.... that feels initially good for a second (I noticed I surprise-gasp everytime...) but thats all. Then I wait until I feel a slight pulsing sensation starts. 

I noticed I developed already some odd feeling, sometimes if I sit in some way I unintentionally contract the PC-muscles and that triggers a slight tingle that feekls like I could use this to pleasure myself if I would just have more precise control which muscle-area I use. I guess that's one of the goals. I would prefer to just think about cumming and have a non-ejaculatory orgasm. Would be a good lunch-break enrichment 😛

So far I didn't found many downsides aside from sore nipples... is there a secret to avoid this? Really distracting. 🙂

Oh I'm not pounding anything up my ass really. I just got that vibrator because it got that moving tip, like a massaging finger. Aside from the Aneros I couldn't get yet any pleasure out of manual prostate-stimulation. If I would have tried that first (like I did like 15 years ago) I wouldn't believe it.... 🙂

Posted by: @anerospore

This is just my 2 cents, but I would assume this 15 minute thing is mostly psychological.  In other words, you are so convinced that feeling stops at 15 minutes you can literally set a clock to it and it happens.  Most of the pleasures associated with prostate orgasm are initially mentally driven.  That means that as the prostate is stimulated, your brain needs to associate subtle stimulation with pleasure.   Think of it as literally turning on a new nerve cluster for the first time.  Once its turned on, physical stimulation can rapidly bring about these orgasms, as can pure mental focus (simply willing an orgasm to happen).  In your case, however, I suspect at 3 weeks in, your brain has not fully "turned on" this new nerve cluster.   You might be losing sensation because of over stimulation (your brain doesn't know what to do with the stimuli, so it numbs out).  You need to continue to bring this stimulation to peak levels to fully rewire your brain and allow triggering of an orgasm.  With each one it will get easier and easier.  

 

So the bottom line here is stop over thinking it.  Do not get bigger toys.  Simply use the one you have, submit to the pleasure and enjoy it for however long it lasts.  Stop watching the clock.  Allow yourself to fully relax,  even fall asleep if that happens.  But during each session, think about what feels good and mentally focus on that feeling.  Do no push it.  Do not "try" to send yourself over the edge.  Just stay relaxed, focus on the pleasure.  The more you do this, the stronger it will grow.  

I probably can't yet concentrate enough on the feelings.... but what I noticed also: i the feeling vanishes and I "push" out with the muscles and the Helix moves out a bit I can get a glimpse of the sensation again. I also noticed if I put porn on the PC across the room that sensations get way stronger.... so I need more arousal through porn I guess. Next time I will put some porn on my phone and put it in my Homido VR headset....

I also bought CBD-oil to get more relaxed and hopefully get similar reactions like smoking weed...? Staying relaxed but focused on the sensation seems really hard.... I involuntary contract the PC-muscles as this is the thing I had to do the lasdt 25years to actualy cum by penile stimulation.....

Posted by: @sowithoutaneros

Hi Guys,

if you look at the contour I posted, there are three organs involved that casually change their size. The bladder will adopt to it's filling level, the prostate and penis can enlarge with arousal and shrink again. I'd think it might help to keep this in mind while discussing THE "right" place. There might be more than one. Furthermore you can stimulate your gland from your perineum, why we should take in conern, that one or the other might already have gone too deep and is already stimulating his gland from behind the bladder. "Two knuckles deep" isn't that far. 😉

Btw, treating such an extremely sensitive spot too hard or for too long may cause a numbness that can spoil all further discovery.

Cheers, Mart

Oh I noticed that the vibrating toy isn't really good, though it has that moving tip which felt interesting. I can't really reach the prostate properly myself, nowhere near to actually get pleasure by it. I would be okay if not directly hunting the prostate would pleasure me too 🙂

As I said, I think in my case I need porn to get aroused ton the needed level. I never had much fun and success of thinking something arousing for actually making me cum that way, not even in my teen-years. 😉 Any experience if somebody else can help with the experience? Atleast somebody touching me would be way better (like you can't tickle yourself). I haven't really found a new erotic area on my body aside from my nipples, though I'm not sure if they actually got more sensitive by using the Aneros or if it is just so intense because I rubbed them sore yesterday. Ideas?

@Rubberdiver, I hope you read my Introductory Message to New Members for some hints and tips to get you re-started here. Your fellow members have given you some good advice, especially the psychological aspects of this whole Aneros journey, please see @rook 's thread Whole Body/Whole Mind - the mental side & @SteelColdiron 's thread Aneros: The Essential Mind State for a little insight. It might also help you to read @Neros 's post The truth behind how to "rewire". Additionally, I'd recommend you read the thread Identifying Obstacles to Progress and the companion thread Identifying Facilitators to Progress to add some elements to the current regime in which you seem to be temporarily mired. I detect a certain amount of impatience in your postings but understand this, that impatience will continue to work against you until you "Just Let Go !"

Good Vibes to You!

@rubberdiver, thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts.

If telling, you rubbed your nipples sore, wasn't only talk, my first idea was that you might too overdo in many ways as I did once. I even used clamps to stimulate my nipples and that's still okay for me, but I can report that I first couldn't imagine that slight touches of my nipples could have any effect at all. Instead I was fascinated when I could arouse especially Asian guys with slightest touches of their nice little nipples. Thanks to my growing awareness now I must not even touch my nipples anymore. Only hovering my fingers above them already let them get hard and me aroused. Meanwhile it's even enough to envision to touch them and, like just now happening while writing this, to cause a full erection without any further stimulation. Phew! That's indeed unbelievable nice and a big plus at my workplace and not only as "a good lunch-break enrichment". 😉 A similar development must have happened concerning my prostate.

My idea for you is to experiment with your nipple play. From beginning on don't access your nipples directly for a while. Draw big circles around them, make them smaller. Fuel the wanting to get touched there, but deny yourself to do so. Get closer and closer until you already can feel the warmth of your finger but still don't get in touch. When you then finally touch your nipple, do it only for a millisecond, then turn to the other nipple and restart the game. Be all attention what happens with your prostate region all the time. You might be surprised.

How playful you can explore yourself you can read from this quote:

@MO_Bosco‘s comment on @Noredice‘s post „A very long time“: “[…] remember what your mind and body feel like when you are about to orgasm? Focus on just that feeling. Recreate it in your mind. Lose yourself in it. Breath like you’re gonna cum. Never mind an end result, enjoy what you feel right then. Ride out any good feelings. Try to feed the fire. Turn them into feelings of ecstasy. Learn to multiply them and you will be amazed at what you can experience.”

It's a journey, and the journey already is the goal, take your time, the best is yet to come, but let it come to you!

Mart