I will say that patience isn't one of my virtues. Sometimes I try to have a long masturbatory session and I get impatient and just finish the job myself as opposed to relax and "enjoy the ride." So if this is something that's going to take weeks, months or even years - it won't be for me. I don't care how powerful the orgasm is once/if achieved, I just don't have it in me to devote that much time to it when I can tune to Pornhub or go screw my wife - job done. I'm all about instant gratification. And again, I realize some of you reading this are probably rolling your eyes and will say "Well if that's your attitude, this isn't for you." And if that's the case, so be it. I've made it 50 years without this, I'll certainly make it a few more decades.
Patience with yourself and the rewiring process is essential so I guess you have your answer right there, the Aneros journey is not for you. Being intrigued and skeptical are normal but if you are not willing to put in the time and mental effort to achieve these types of prostate based orgasms you will only end up being frustrated and disappointed about your lack of success and I would spare you that frustration. Pursuing this practice requires one to drop previous notions of what an orgasm is and adopt a different paradigm of thought.
If you are still intrigued enough to pursue further awareness of this whole practice then please read though the sticky thread Introductory Message to New Members and follow through reading all linked references therein. Especially important is to also read through the Aneros WIKI, many of your questions will be answered there.
As to your specific questions, I'll give you a simple answer but understand there are more complex and subtle answers that would also apply.
Let's assume I buy (insert product here...pardon the pun). I just sit there and relax?
NO, first off sitting is not the optimal body position for use and relaxation is important but learning how to do that optimally for Aneros use may take time to learn and thus patience which you seemingly do not want to exert.
How long until (whatever the hell is supposed to happen, happens)?
That's impossible to predict as each man's journey is unique, I know that sounds like a cop-out answer but it is a fact.
Is "traditional" masturbation OK to do as well or is it one or the other?
Traditional masturbation with Aneros in situ is pretty common (see The Super-T) so it's not an either/or practice.
Is there anything expelled from the anus or penis? That's to say, is it on par with a regular orgasm?
Your anus will not expel anything other than the lube you will use during an Anerosession, many men report increased pre-cum production from Aneros use (see user Poll How much precum (Cowper's gland secretion) do you produce? ). Aneros use can also cause prostate milking where prostate fluid is released but no orgasm is involved and of course there can be Aneros induced hands free wet orgasms as well.
How long, if/once achieved, do things last?
While prostate based orgasms are generally longer lasting than traditional penile based orgasms (by several seconds) Super-O's can even extend for a minute or more and these prostate orgasms may be repeatable in a single Anerosession.
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OK, well thank you for the candid/honest responses. To clarify a few things…
In the past day since I discovered this (not sure what to call it, a sub culture, a profound enlightenment, etc.) I have dedicated several hours to reading the Wiki, “How To’s”, etc. so I’m a bit more educated than I was when I originally wrote the above post.
I did go ahead and order one of the contraptions (or whatever they’re called). Hell, it’s $70 so if it can bring me immense pleasure, I guess it’s funds well spent.
Some more questions (in addition to the ones I asked above). There are a few things I’m concerned about before I even begin this process, mostly due to possible health-related issues.
^^This is probably what concerns me the most. I don't want to change the way my body functions forever. But I have to assume it's like going to the gym - when you're using (insert muscle here) it's fine, but if you stop - things go back to the way they were.
I…think that might be it. Again, I must somewhat recant what my initial post stated. I’ll certainly give it a try. It might be for me. It might not. I understand that, like most things, it’s a process. I’m not under the guise that I insert something into my anus for 5 minutes and get a mind-blowing 20 minute orgasm. It might happen, but I’ll keep my expectations realistic.
OK, @FML, if you are going to do this, I will try to help you understand this process as best as I can. These "contraptions" are most commonly called prostate massagers employed by open minded men who want to expand their pleasure possibilities. I don't think we are a subculture, as the membership is quite diverse with men from all walks of life, sexual orientation/gender identity. Some might call what we practice a fetish activity (for some men it might be) but I don't think that's an accurate description for many of us. I'm glad you are willing to do substantial reading as this rewiring process is really a learning process that depends on our brains neuroplastic abilities.
This “rewiring” process. I read a few posts that people are able to experience pleasure even when not trying. I don’t want to be driving down the highway at 70 MPH and my body decides it’s a time to have an orgasm. I assume that if I were to stop with this process (for whatever reason), my body will naturally go back to the way it was?^^This is probably what concerns me the most. I don't want to change the way my body functions forever. But I have to assume it's like going to the gym - when you're using (insert muscle here) it's fine, but if you stop - things go back to the way they were.
I don't think you need to worry about spontaneous orgasms occurring as the environmental and psychological conditions necessary for prostate orgasms to occur are pretty restrictive for each individual. Finding your path to those orgasms is the journey. The rewiring/learning is about the psychological changes necessary to elicit the response your body is naturally capable of generating. Your body has always had this capability but you need to learn the process to release this capability. Like any learned skill once you learn it, if not used , it will fade/atrophy over time but your memory of its existence will not so in that sense it is pemanent but your body will not be changed.
Obviously I (or anyone else) doesn’t want to do any damage to their bodies. I intend to take the tortoise (from the Tortoise and the Hare) approach - slow and steady. The last thing I want is to end up in the ER and have to explain what the hell happened and why I’m there. From all I’ve read it seems that if I use common sense, don’t “force” anything, etc. all will be well?
Yes, these devices are quite safe and if used in accord with the manufacturers recommendations you will not suffer any physical damage.
At the risk of sounding a bit…off I do have an observation. I tend to like to “hold it” when I have to go #2. I don’t know why. But I do love the feeling it produces (again, I’m not trying to be deliberately gross). Would that be the feces pushing up against my prostate when I do that? There’s an oddly satisfying feeling sometimes when using the restroom and if that’s any indication of what to expect, I’m more than willing to give it a try.
Yes, I don't think that is particularly unusual, there have been men who have reported this before and even reports about prostate milking effects from bowel movements. To a certain extent Aneros use can simulate this effect but you will learn to interpret those sensations in a more erotic context as you progress.
I saw a video where someone had “16 dry orgasms and 1 wet one” - looking at the video, I’d say that 16 of these were the prostate and the other was a “normal” one, but the person in question didn’t do anything to his “member.” How is this? That’s to say, does your body “decide” when it’s time to do a prostate orgasm vs. a traditional one? Or is all of this part of the rewiring process and your mind truly does control your body?
I would caution you about viewing any videos as they may not be in any way typical of Aneros users experiences and may actually be deceptive/harmful to the learning process. Hands Free Wet Orgasms are possible but are not the 'norm', I've ben practicing using these massagers for 16 years now and have never had a HFWO. Some men are more predisposed to this effect than others, it's just the luck of your genetic makeup I suppose.
Would it be wise to start with some external stimulation first and “get the hang of it” before inserting anything? Or is this one of those “play around with it and you be the judge of what feels best for you” sort of things? I will say that I’ve always been very tactile. I often caress myself during masturbation, I have satin pillowcases, etc. I don’t know how common this is with men, but I assume that give my propensity for the “feel” of things, it might be a natural progression? That might not make sense, if not - don’t worry about it.
Actually this does make a lot of sense. Getting into a highly aroused mental state is very helpful in obtaining/generating prostate based orgasms. You need to seduce your body into this state as you cannot will or force these sensations to manifest. Being "tactile" is just another way of acknowledging your sensual awareness and will serve you well as focus on the subtle sensations these devices elicit is critical to enhancing the energy buildup to these orgasmic experiences.
If I were to talk to a M.D. is this a medically-approved way of pleasure? That’s to say, if I talked with my doctor would they say “yeah, you don’t need to do any of that, it’s dangerous and could cause serious damage.” Or might they say “So long as you take your time, be careful and safe - a whole new world might await you?” Granted this is somewhat subjective, but part of me finds it difficult to believe that if this is really so wonderful, why isn’t it more openly discussed in the medical fields?
I think most doctors would be willing to acknowledge that gentle prostate massage can be pleasurable but probably will not go so far as to say it is a "medically-approved way of pleasure" as their primary concern is not a patient's pleasure but rather their health. That being said, talking to your doctor about your intended use of these devices is a good idea as he/she can advise you about any safety concerns to be especially aware of.
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OK, well I've tried this...once. Yeah, I know it takes more time and effort than that, but it's honestly something I'm not willing to do even if the reward is some sort of existential earth-shattering orgasm.
I'm not knocking this. As I said above (and if not, I'll say it now) I'm not judging anyone. If you all have found a way to unlock your body's potential and it's satisfying and pleasurable to you - hey, go for it. My problem is, as I stated in my first post:
I will say that patience isn't one of my virtues. Sometimes I try to have a long masturbatory session and I get impatient and just finish the job myself as opposed to relax and "enjoy the ride." So if this is something that's going to take weeks, months or even years - it won't be for me.
So, yeah, it's just about the effort for me. If I get aroused, "do my thing" for 5-10 minutes and be done with it - that's fine by me. My hand has been my friend for 35 years, makes sense that wouldn't change in the next 35. Laying on a bed for an hour to (possibly) end up in a convulsing spasm (regardless of the amount of pleasure) just ins't my cup of tea.
I doubt Aneros will take back a "used" device and even if they do, I don't think I could do that to someone. Even a company.
At any rate, thanks for the input rumel. No need to reply to this, though I suspect you will. You seem to be the type to always get the last word in.
A little late to the party but a larger prostate massager may be your cup of tea. The Aneros devices aren't the best to enhance a traditional O but a prostate massager sold by just about every one(Lelo, Lovesense, Lovehoney etc.) may peak your interest. Theses are large enough to provide enough stimulation to enhance and make a traditional O mind blowing and you can finish as quickly as you would like. I started with one of theses and was hooked by how intense my Super T was that I wanted to explore more and was willing to expand and try new things.
PS I went from have 1+ hour hand sessions to under 1 hour prostate stimulated traditional hand sessions to under 30 mins with a combined prostate O and finishing off the traditional way. I usually will know in 5-10 mins if my body/mind wants to have a prostate O and then I move onto a traditional O
The Aneros devices aren't the best to enhance a traditional O but a prostate massager sold by just about every one(Lelo, Lovesense, Lovehoney etc.) may peak your interest. Theses are large enough to provide enough stimulation to enhance and make a traditional O mind blowing and you can finish as quickly as you would like.
Is there a particular model you're referring to? That sounds a bit more my speed/style. As I said, I'm not above "exploring" that area, but if I could combine that and regular "stimulation" that might be best for me.
It all depends your price range. The Lelo Hugo is my favorite for when I want something large to play with but it is on the high end(175 on sale right now at lelo). The Lovesense Edge 2 always seems to be on sale for around 100. I own both and in quality you can tell the difference. The Hugo is more rumbly the Edge is buzzy. This is a matter of personal preference. The other differences you can find through their websites. Aneros also sells the Vice 2 150 and it appears to be of the right size to help more than a one of the smaller Aneros devices ones with a traditional O.(I don't own this). There are plenty of other brands as well and prices (20-200). Lovehoney sells a bunch of other brands, styles and features
It is a matter of what features you want and what shape/size you want. The reason I like the Hugo besides the quality/vibrations is the shape vs the Edge. The Hugo tapers to a small shaft this makes it easier to insert and reduces the anal stimulation(The feeling like you got to poop). The downside to this shape is it's also very easy to eject. The Edge as bulb at the bottom stimulating the anus as well as making it harder to push out(But not much harder). But for play with your SO the edge would be my preference. Lovesense's app is easier to use than Lelo's remote for the inexperienced plus allows for long distance play
Unfortunately, everyone is different so it is a pay to play game. You won't know what you like until you start buying toys and no one can tell you what sensations you will like down there with a larger toy. I also own the Lelo Loki Wave 2 and this is defiantly not everyone's cup of tea. One of the largest ones. Also due to the motion it has to be held in. You must definitely clean yourself out before hand or play in the tub if your into that.
You also have to remember that most of theses market as being able to have a prostate O. This unfortunately won't happen until you put in the time to figure out how to achieve it. But it should help with your traditional Os and you should be able to get a super T out of it.
All prices are USD. I have not linked websites as I feel that would disenfranchise Aneros for supporting this forum. And for those that want to try to have a prostate O my first recommendation always would be a Aneros device.
OK, well thank you for the input. I'll check one or more of those out.
Back (somewhat) on topic, I did try this (with the Aneros) again last night. Wife had a headache, went to bed early and I was like "What the hell...let's give it another go." Long story short, I don't even know if I'm doing this right. How do I know if it's even hitting the "right spot?" Is there supposed to be some sort of indication that would tell me "Ok, right there" or no? As anyone who's read my comments above, I'm more "results-oriented" than most. But I am willing to continue trying. There must be an integral component I'm missing or is it just a "keep doing it and you'll eventually get it" mentality?
Unfortunately, your mind doesn't know how to listen to the right spot until you have had enough practice. That is why you have to avoid penile stimulation if your going for prostate Os. Even for the most experienced penis stimulation is louder than the prostate. The closest I could say to the same feeling would be if you touch your frenulum(Spot blow the V on the front) but once again any thing penis related will be super loud. This is why vibes are bad when you trying to train your self. Even vibes on the prostate can drown out the feeling that you need until you know how to listen.
Figured I’d chime in here again, though I don’t have a lot of “new” information to share, I figured I’d at least give an update (for any/all that might care) on my progress with this. Traditionally, in the past, it’s always been easy for me (or anyone, I suppose) to throw in the towel. But I’ve made several resolutions this year and I’m not going to give up that easily. With that said, here are a few of my observations and challenges that I find I’m facing. I have scoured the site with anecdotes, techniques, etc. so this isn’t just me babbling – I did try and educate myself.
Again, I realize there aren’t any definitive answers, but figured that I’d at least put my thoughts down after several sessions. At the very least, it is relaxing, so I suppose as a worst case scenario I could take that away from things.
Thanks for any all assistance. I’ll keep at it.
“That’s the Spot” – Or is it? From all of my research, there doesn’t seem to be a definitive “OK, that’s it. That’s the spot, right there.” Moment. Right?
That's correct, you may not feel an exact spot where your Aneros is engaging your prostate but with patience you may learn how to maneuver your device with your muscles in such a way that the "spot" does get massaged and that's the point. Don't expect to always be able to hit the "spot"
...perhaps I’m being a bit too analytical about all of this and I really do need to focus more on my breathing and overall relaxation.
Yes, overthinking everything (please see Identifying Obstacles to Progress items #4 & #11) can be problematic.
I realize we’re all wired/built differently, but is there any sort of “all encompassing” position that seems to generate more feeling than another?
Unfortunately, NO, there is no universal position that works consistently for all men, you just need to experiement with positions and find those that seem to maximize your pleasure.
Oh…what a feeling? – I’d mentioned above (first post) that there is a brief period of delight when I “hold it” regarding me having to use the restroom. I’m not trying to be gross or lewd, but was wondering if that feeling (of release when it happens) is at all similar to the feeling I’m in search of
The urge to urinate is a stong sign that your Aneros is adequately engaging your prostate, this feeling will usually abate after a few minutes and morph into more pleasurable sensations.
I’ve read where several people “recommend” this as well as perhaps it helps to release the focus and might make for a little more progress. I’m not entirely sure why I’m mentioning this other than “does using cannabis help ‘get the ball rolling’” so to speak?
Many men have found cannabis does help not only with the relaxation aspect but also with increased focus on the small sensations and enhanced awareness of those sensations.
Pre-Cum – I’ve had some from my sessions as well as when ready for sex, etc. but have to ask – if I see some does that mean whatever I’m doing is working? I’ve been going on the assumption that “Oh, there’s some, I must be doing something right?” Or is this another method of thinking that I’ll need to abandon?
Pre-cum production is typically a sign of physical sexual arousal, as such I think you can view it as a good sign that you are on a positive path. However, lack of pre-cum does not necessarily mean you are on a negative path either.
At the very least, it is relaxing, so I suppose as a worst case scenario I could take that away from things.
That's a good way of looking at your Anerosessions, don't worry about not achieving your 'expected' outcome, just be the patient detached observer to what your body produces, you may be surprised what happens with such an attitude.
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I’ve not updated this thread in a while due to, well, nothing really happening. That is, until last night…
I’ve done a few sessions with Mindgasm as part of their NNN promotion/challenge. As I commented on another thread, I’ve made some “progress” with this as opposed to some of the tips/tricks that I’ve learned from the posts here. Don’t anyone read that the wrong way, I’m guessing that no matter how folks are able to make some headway, it doesn’t really matter.
A few things I’ve been doing when not in a bona fide “session”:
And, when I started my session last night (wife had an upset stomach, so she was in the other room) I actually said to myself “Ok, let’s do this. If something happens – great. If not, I don’t give a shit.” So I listened to Mindgasm #2 “The Big Squeeze” and with an edible (and a glass or two of wine) on board, I was already feeling very relaxed. I got to the point where the video/voice was saying that I might have some involuntary contractions (this was about 20 minutes in) and I started to. Granted, I don’t know if I was helping my body along by perhaps adding a few of my own, but I was able to detect that something different was happening.
When I started having some involuntary contractions (abs, arms, buttocks and inner thighs) I stopped and got the Aneros (my session had started without one). Inserted and was able to pretty much get back to where I was in a few minutes.
Given that I’d never had a Super-O, P wave, etc. I really had no idea what to expect when it came to the most important thing – how it feels. Did it feel good? You bet. I don’t know if I was experiencing wave after wave of passion, but I knew that what my body was doing was something I never experienced before so I just took that as a good thing (or at the very least – progress).
After about 20 minutes of me continuing to contract my PC muscle (maybe you’re supposed to do this, maybe not) it would induce some involuntary contractions, I decided that it was a successful session and decided to finish off with a traditional penile orgasm. I’ll say that it was, hands down, the best one I’ve ever had. It was like a traditional orgasm and my body kind of added another “burst” that seemed to come right from my prostate area. Well I’m sure it did, technically, but you get the idea. Also my “base” muscle was contracting as well. If you’ve ever seen “The Simpson’s” think of how Maggie sucks on her pacifier – that’s what my base muscle was doing to my Aneros. Sorry for the visual, but that’s the best way I can describe it.
At any rate, I can’t really confirm if I was having P-Waves and I certainly don’t think that was any sort of Super-O (if so, I would say that I was a bit let down) but I honestly believe that if a Super-O is a 10, I was at about a 2. But it’s progress and something different and shows that I (of all people) certainly do have the ability to make something, anything happen. I had my doubts.
Feel free to chime in with tips, input, advice, etc. And I’ll probably abstain for a few days as I’ve read where if you try to force this every night, it’ll probably not happen.
Wanted to share.
Figured I’d follow up on my post from the other day. So once again had some ‘free time’ last night and after the other nights’ “success”, was pretty stoked. Again, I tried not to think too much about my results from the previous session, rather just relax and do what I’ve been doing – it’s obviously showing some signs of improvement or at the very least, pleasurable and relaxing.
By no means am I doing to say I’ve figure this out. I haven’t. But different things are happening and I wanted to share them here as I do have a few questions.
It seems to be a bit easier for me to “get into the groove.” By that I mean, I can have some involuntary twitches after only a few minutes. Granted I still don’t know if I’m “forcing” them or not. I wonder if you force an involuntary twitch, can it actually cause one? Dunno. I guess that’s why it’s called involuntary.
I’m pretty sure I had a few sets of P waves last night and, if so, wow. Hard to describe, but it felt like my nerves on my legs were twitching and then centered in my area it seemed to radiate outwards over my whole body. It felt like a rush of adrenaline like when you’re excited for something (well, I guess in this case I was, but that’s about how I can best describe it). As mentioned, I only had a couple of sets. Every time they happened I was like “is this a P wave?” But then I tried not to overthink it and just relax and let it happen – that’s easier said than done, folks.
Unlike previous sessions, this one has seemed to stay with me a bit. Throughout the night, I felt that if I was doing some contractions, I’d still get an ounce of pleasure. Even as I write this, 8 hours after my session – I still feel a bit of a tingle. I’m assuming that’s normal?
I don’t know what else to say other than in the past week, I feel as if I’ve made a lot of progress. Maybe now I can see what you’re all talking about.
Lastly, is this considered a mild form of hypnosis? That’s to say, when I do this I try to be as relaxed as possible, but I found I was so “in the zone” that it was almost like I was under a spell.
At any rate, that’s where I stand. Open to any thoughts, answers to my questions, etc. @rumel you might be able to shed some light and/or clarify.
I tried not to think too much about my results from the previous session, rather just relax and do what I’ve been doing – it’s obviously showing some signs of improvement or at the very least, pleasurable and relaxing.
That's excellent! Patience and no expectations is an excellent way forward and it sounds like you are already making good progress. I don't know if anybody actually figures it all out to the point they can have orgasms in every session, I know I don't but the majority of my Anerosessions are still pleasurable even if they don't result in orgasms.
It seems to be a bit easier for me to “get into the groove.” By that I mean, I can have some involuntary twitches after only a few minutes. Granted I still don’t know if I’m “forcing” them or not. I wonder if you force an involuntary twitch, can it actually cause one?
Don't worry about whether you are "forcing" contractions, intentions are what is really at work here. You may start out consciously contracting the various muscle groups but as you get into feeling your body's response this may shift to a more unconscious process, hence involuntaries.
I’m pretty sure I had a few sets of P waves last night and, if so, wow. Hard to describe, but it felt like my nerves on my legs were twitching and then centered in my area it seemed to radiate outwards over my whole body. It felt like a rush of adrenaline like when you’re excited for something (well, I guess in this case I was, but that’s about how I can best describe it). As mentioned, I only had a couple of sets. Every time they happened I was like “is this a P wave?” But then I tried not to overthink it and just relax and let it happen – that’s easier said than done, folks.
Yes, those were definitely P-waves and that's great that you are of the mind to not overthink this observation. Remember you are doing this activity for the pleasure of it, this is not an activity for analysis while in the moment, you can analyze things after your session.
IUnlike previous sessions, this one has seemed to stay with me a bit. Throughout the night, I felt that if I was doing some contractions, I’d still get an ounce of pleasure. Even as I write this, 8 hours after my session – I still feel a bit of a tingle. I’m assuming that’s normal?
Yes, a good Anerosession can leave you with an afterglow of pleasure and relaxation that can last for many hours.
Lastly, is this considered a mild form of hypnosis? That’s to say, when I do this I try to be as relaxed as possible, but I found I was so “in the zone” that it was almost like I was under a spell.
I've often characterized my Anerosessions as erotic meditations so in this sense it could be a form of self hypnosis as you are putting yourself in an altered state of consciousness and Super-O's definitely put you into a further altered state of consciousness. Please see the threads Aneros and an Optimal Mind State, @rook 's thread Whole Body/Whole Mind - the mental side & @SteelColdiron 's thread Aneros: The Essential Mind State for a little insight. It might also help you to read @Neros 's post The truth behind how to "rewire".
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Thank you. I appreciate all of your help and input. I think I need to rest for a few days. Feeling a bit “jittery”, like one too many Starbucks! Could be my body reacting to some over-stimuli since it’s an area that, well, hasn’t been used in this fashion like…ever. Kind of like bench pressing 300 lbs. you can do it, but you’ll feel some after effects if you’ve not done it often. That analogy made more sense prior to typing it.
I like where this is going. My situation is similar to an extent. Keep up the good work and if anything develops on "my" end I might chime in, heh heh.