Going backwards, from aless to aneros

So is coconut oil a viable alternative? Natural jelly is not readily available at my location! How about jlube as I see many use it as a lube. What about aloe Vera gel?

@rumel Thanks for the link on Natural Jelly. appreciate it.

@fred27 What amazes me is how persistent some of you are! I’ve used the Aneros Syn V about 5 times without anything to write home about and I’m already losing interest.

@kjoqsupplicant  You will eventually find out how very addictive theese things are, like no matter how much pleasure u recieve, you'll always want more and more...to explore how deep this rabbit hole goes...

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So is coconut oil a viable alternative? Natural jelly is not readily available at my location! How about jlube as I see many use it as a lube. What about aloe Vera gel?

Yes, coconut oil is a popular alternative (please see the threads >, coconut oil and Coconut Oil for further discussions). you create your own Natural Jelly, the recipe may be found HERE! J-lube and Aloe Vera gel are other water based lubes that have been used as well.

Good Vibes to You!

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Can you elaborate ? This does not look right to me, that part in particular... how does this feel VS what you would normally get ? Do these buildups feel, I don't know, "dirty" or "wrong" or like they don't flow right or something? The bar should get lower, not higher, this looks like you'd need to break the dam or force the orgasm, which could lead to some negative experiences. There might be an issue were you are not supposed to chase the O, yet you're skilled enough to catch it anyway. I would say it's time for a break right about now, but you'll need to send that energy somewhere, so that could be yet another thing to manage. 

@Zentai The difference in feeling before vs. now is that it's a lot louder now. There is more energy involved, and the bodily reaction is a lot stronger. It feels like everything is moving around in the nethers, and it feels really funny in my stomach, and the whole body is shivering.

The pleasure response is on the brink of unbearable, like its 'too much'? It's mostly contained around the prostate, and i get p-waves spreading to other parts of the body. It's a lot easier to create p-waves at this state than before, but it doesn't feel wrong in any way.

I'm starting to move away from nipples as my primary source of power/stimulation, and it is instead the creation and release of p-waves that keeps me in the loop. I still need nipples to start everything up, since my ability to generate p-waves at will comes later.

The ability to get a 'o' is completely dependent on my ability to create p-waves. I can scratch an 'itch' all i want, and it feels amazing. My body will never take me into a 'o' by nipple stim/contractions alone, no matter how much i try.

@brailleskin 

With this and your previous answer, I don't know how this will play out... Almost unbearable pleasure will need to go somewhere or turn into something else. Otherwise this is a bit like aggressive edging. If you're not actually scared of the outcome, then I guess you'll need to wait a bit and see how this develops.

I would not be honest if I said I always knew exactly where things were going, and sometimes it was a bit scary or disorienting, or it took a while for some experiences to make sense. This is pretty much uncharted territory for every man when he manages to get to this point, at least that's what I think.

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@brailleskin 

With this and your previous answer, I don't know how this will play out... Almost unbearable pleasure will need to go somewhere or turn into something else. Otherwise this is a bit like aggressive edging. If you're not actually scared of the outcome, then I guess you'll need to wait a bit and see how this develops.

I would not be honest if I said I always knew exactly where things were going, and sometimes it was a bit scary or disorienting, or it took a while for some experiences to make sense. This is pretty much uncharted territory for every man when he manages to get to this point, at least that's what I think.

@Zentai I never managed to replicate it a second time, reach the same energy levels again, Like so many times before, it was a one time thing. A gaze into what comes next on my journey i guess.

Thank you for your kind words, and i agree 100%. It's a journey into the unknown, you'll never know where you'll end up. It's inevitable that you'll definitly get lost at some time, but with patience and courage you'll eventually find what your heart desire.

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The way i reach a orgasm is probably similiar to how you and everyone else does it. I tease it by nipples and contraction until i'm in that really sweet spot filled with excruciating levels of pleasure. It feels like im 99% there, but thats the thing. No matter how much you 'push', it will always feel like you're 99% there.

The way forward is paradoxically going backwards, you let go, litterly of everything. You slow your heartrate, and just drop dead on the spot, and just sink into the abyss of nothingness and relaxation.

As i fall deeper and deeper into relaxation, i let go of several p-waves. You probably have experienced a p-wave before in your life, but you never really classified it as such. The one i usally use is the 'goose bump' type, that sends chills down your spine, and radiate out all over your body.

With lots of practice, and at least for me, it's here the magic happens. It's a bit finicky to get to the actual trigger, and you need to cycle between high and low multiple times. But don't loose hope, eventually you'll find your way....

I'll finish up with a quote from one of my favorite movies....

“I guess I could be pretty pissed off about what happened to me, but it’s hard to stay mad when there’s so much beauty in the world. Sometimes I feel like I’m seeing it all at once, and it’s too much; my heart fills up like a balloon that’s about to burst. And then I remember to relax, and stop trying to hold onto it. And then it flows through me like rain, and I can’t feel anything but gratitude—for every single moment of my stupid, little life. You have no idea what I’m talking about, I’m sure; but don’t worry….you will someday.”

Ok, @brailleskin, that’s American Beauty.  That is a super orgasm to me.*

Sometime, in some thread, tell us how you (I presume) discovered Aless prior to first Aneros use.  There is at least one member, @helghast , who came by that route too.

”brailleskin”… interesting name.  Anything to do with goose bumps I see erecting around my lower half as I approach and have a dry orgasm?  Nice thread and writing.  Welcome here.

*Sidebar- “Don’t Let it Bring You Down”- Neil Young in the soundtrack by way of Annie Lennox- wow, powerhouse of feeling

@helical Thankyou and correctomundo, that's American Beauty. I got another one...

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My story here began like so many others on this forum, with months of frustration, and no sensations whatsoever from the Aneros device. It was 2010, and i was completely lost. My nipples was dead as doornails, and i had spent close to a year chasing *any* sensation.

I owe everything i know to a legendary user on this forum @Chuckjo2000, and i'm forever grateful that he took me on as his padawan. I went with the Aless route because i didn't have much choice in the matter. It's been 13 years and i still get very little feedback from my aneros devices.

It has been a amazing journey nevertheless, and i still have a long way to go. I dream of the day i get my first Super-o/full-body-o. I'm not even sure i've experienced a dry-o, since they say it's very different from a penile-o. I'm very curious what a dry-o feels like, but it's hard to describe what something feels like with words. Can you please try describe your experience reaching a dry-o, and what it feels like? I'll go first and describe my experience reaching one below.

For me, working towards a 'o' is a lot like climbing a ladder, reaching beyond the rainbow. I often refer pleasures as notes in music, and while climbing it's usally just one note of pleasure that increase in intensity. It responds to my input when i'm high enough on the ladder, stroking a nipple gets me one note of pleasure, doing another get another response etc.

When i get closer, it 'bleeds' through a little bit, and sometimes i get another note that is a lot sweeter. The difference is that this note is a 'constant' one and not a response to stroking. The craving to climb higher and higher is very strong, and i'm never satisfied. This endless craving is driving me nuts sometimes.

On the other hand, when i transition into a orgasm it feels like a 'drop', and it usally erupts a few p-waves on its way to blossom. That sensation is surprisingly pleasent, kinda like a cradle that embraces you. Then there is a short period of complete serenity, and then it ramps up very quickly. Sometimes it hits me like a wall, but this time it's not a single note, but several notes that is 'vibrating'.

The difference this time is that theese notes play on their own, and not a direct response to my input. I have to constantly focus and input sensations to keep myself in the loop. If i'm distracted the orgasm is still there, but it's very silent, and i mostly get physical responses, like trembling, buzzing, shakes etc. The inate endless craving to climb from before is gone. The big difference to a penile-o who feels very similar, is that there are p-wave 'eruptions' mixed in.

@fred27 But who has six years for anything? It’s a lost case as far as I’m concerned. $100 down the drain. I’ve had prostate orgasms a handful of times with penile penetration (me being the bottom), so maybe the aneros is a poor runner-up and my prostate is simply not impressed.

@kjoqsupplicant Can you please try to explain how a prostate orgasm feels like? I'm very curious since i'm on the other side of the spectrum, i don't think i've ever experienced one of thoose.

Sometimes when i really need to take a dump, and can't for some reason. It creates this insanely nice sensation, is that related? Have you experienced this sensation?

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I've never managed to get the Aneros to work for me, and I could really use some tips and tricks to finally get somewhere. No lack of trying though. I've been at it since 2009, and i've spent several hundreds of hours during the years trying to get this thing to work.

I'm proficient at going Aless though, and i have the ability to orgasm almost instantly on command without anything inserted. I also have the ability to repeat it over and over as much as i like until i get boored or fall asleep. Circling the drain but never going over the edge

I've tried to use the same techniques i use to go aless, relax, focus on a p-wave, amplify it using nipples and clenching, and using my mind to have it blossom into a beautful amazing "calm seas".

I still have a loong way to go on my journey it seems. I've never managed to get involuntaries, all my orgasm so far has been the one usally experienced by penile stimulation (without touching anything).

My prostate has always been "invisible" (even during a dry-o, going aless). Trying to force it never works, and the techniques i use when going aless doesnt work when i have something inserted.

 

So any ideas, tips or tricks how i might be able to actually get the Aneros to work for me?

@brailleskin Yeah, maybe something like that. If I’ve had a true prostate orgasm then it’s hard to describe, a sensation that makes me moan and sometimes cry or scream with pleasure. I feel it all around the anal canal. I know it must be special because I don’t always get it. Some guys have exactly the right length and angle to set it off. THC edibles intensifies it without a doubt. I don’t smoke. It does nothing for me.

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i have the ability to orgasm almost instantly on command without anything inserted

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I'm not even sure i've experienced a dry-o,

Sorry, I am confused as to whether you have or have not had a dry orgasm, so as to be able to advise you.  Aless and Aneros both, play out as a dry orgasm to me.

Also, you have me stumped on the origin of your latest movie quote, too : )

@helical It's true that whenever my body is in the mood i can orgasm almost instantly without anything inserted, and i can spend hours there. It's very addictive, though i identify it as a penile orgasm with a little spice added from p-waves.

I do believe that once i'm inside a orgasm, it is possible to make it grow into a "full body o", and with enough skill even a super-o

I suspect that what i experience is not a prostate orgasm, which i believe feels completely different compared to a penile orgasm? I simply do not have the reference frame to identify a prostate orgasm.

I believe i have accidently stumbled into one several times by accident, although extremely rare occurance. It's acomplished by a desire to take a dump by being really full, and it's putting pressure on the prostate in just the right way. The outcome is a very intense pleasure coming from the bowels.

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Who has hundreds of hours to try to make this work? Certainly not me

 

It's usally a lot easier to get this thing to work if you're gay. I'm a extreme case, and definitly not the norm. I probably will never get the Aneros to work, and i'm completely ok with that. The thing is that the aneros is just 'training wheels', you don't really need it to orgasm.

First of all i wouldn't use vibration, the prostate is very easally desentitized. It's really important to keep tabs on what happening down there, and it's very hard thing to do with all the white noice.

Second tip is to step up the imagination game, a big part of Aneros is your mind, desire and emotions. Be really horny when you use that thing, and imagine that with every thrust you have your partner caressing you and entering you slowly. Kissing your neck and send shivers/goosebumps all over your body.

The most ideal would be to use it with your partner, and you take turns who gets to enjoy the orgasm next. The other one is there for emotional support, really getting you to the edge crazy with desire, with gentle kissing, stroking etc.

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With this and your previous answer, I don't know how this will play out... Almost unbearable pleasure will need to go somewhere or turn into something else. Otherwise this is a bit like aggressive edging. If you're not actually scared of the outcome, then I guess you'll need to wait a bit and see how this develops.

@Zentai With all my experimentation lately, i tend to quite often shoot myself in the foot. I haven't been able to reach orgasm for days, but today i got my ability back. Thankyou for your insight on agressive edging, today i actually tried to deny myself a orgasm.

I went straight for the edge, and just as i could feel my body allowing me to have a orgasm i stopped. Then i did the same thing again a few minutes later, and again. My body went total haywire by this behaviour, and with each iteration it turned up the volume nob.

It went so far that i could feel the orgasmic energies, even without touching nipples or doing contractions, just laying there doing nothing but focusing. 

@brailleskin 

No problem ! Sometimes I just think out loud, it's cool that you found something you could use. 

@Zentai

Ok, so i've managed to get into the scary zone again, how do i shut this thing down if i want off the ride? Any advice?

It took off like a rocket when i fueled it up with some aurosal, so no nipples, no pc-contractions, it's completely self-sustained and just keep climbing (and nothing inserted).

It entered a orgasm on its own (didnt do anything but just give it a little push at the begining), this is really crazy, and it just keeps climbing. No idea where i'll eventually end up. It has started the invols now, and i get p-waves by just touching my skin. Really weird..

I'm guessing stop focusing on the sensations, and distracting youself with other things/thoughts and just ignore whats happening? Does that work for you?

Easier said than done though, when i got a orgasm screaming in my head and i'm shaking. Why do i always get scared when i'm not in control, and it's doing things on its own accord? I shouldn't be scared, just embrace it, and let it take me wherever it wants to go.

@brailleskin 

Can you give a little bit more context ? Is this inside a session, or something that happened at random while you were not expecting it ? 

If it's during a session, then don't have sessions until you think you can handle it. You might need to train for this or do some preparation but I'm not 100% sure how this would work. You'd probably need to start working on a paradigm shift or something. 

Outside a session, that's a different animal, take a hot bath or shower and go lie down a bit and see if it helps. You might have to be careful about triggering this for a while, and it might happen on it's own anyway. Maybe it will have to happen, then this could be similar to a spiritual awakening of some kind, possibly unpleasant. It does not really matter whether you believe in this stuff or not, something can be triggered anyway.  Look up QiGong deviation syndrome and see if you're going through something similar. 

In all cases, absolutely try to focus on something else until it calms down, it's really unlikely to go higher if you don't want it to, but again, this could be a bit scary / miserable. 

Thankyou @Zentai for your quick reply. First i get really excited for something new, and then i get scared when i think i'm loosing control. Yea, still not ready to let it *take me*

I've noticed a pattern before, when i charge up my arousal insanely high, and then release it with penile stimulation. The reaction will happen a few hours later, and i get a really powerful rebound.

Usally it manifest itself as a *free pass to orgasm*, making it really easy to reach orgasm with nipples and pc-contractions. The body usally lets me know when it's ready to go there, by sending a few low-energy p-waves in the background.

I did trigger it with intention, and I was really amazed at first by how it did everything by itself. How very agressive it was, and really powerful. It got into a orgasm within minutes, A-less, without contractions, no nipples, or any movements at all.

Just focusing on the sensations was enough to fuel it to go higher, really amazing. I've never experienced this kind of power before.

You were completely right about it not going higher without my approval. It kinda died on its own when i got scared, so i can control it. I can still feel it, it's really quiet now, but still there waiting for a trigger. I think i've had enough excitement for one evening.

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How very agressive it was, and really powerful.

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Yea, still not ready to let it *take me*

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You were completely right about it not going higher without my approval. It kinda died on its own when i got scared, so i can control it.

I rearranged some quotes here. Basically I think it's okay to be nervous or even scared, these are after all very powerful manifestations. But it's still coming from *you*, so unless you have a reason to think you might be overly aggressive with yourself, then normally you'll be able to back off. One exception could be if you are so aroused that you stop thinking straight, or drugs could have a similar effect. In both cases, this could encourage you to go far beyond your comfort level, I personally think that we are in no great hurry, so it's much better to avoid this and to build things slowly. You'll get more comfortable with practice and experience and you may well decide at some point that you don't want to go higher than you are already. Good luck ! 

I read the term "Terror at the Gates" on this forum a few times. Could this be the case here? I looked at the glossary, but it's not mentioned there. I read that the term originated somewhere on KSMO, but I couldn't find a formal definition or a thread describing it, only mentioned in response to some posts.

@onares

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I read the term "Terror at the Gates" on this forum a few times. Could this be the case here?

Yes, I think you're right, Terror at the Gates could be involved here. The way I experience it, it's a bit of a "fight or flight" response, and in the context of Super-Os it acts as a failsafe to prevent me from going too far accidentally. "Too far" could be super-exciting or like a bad trip, so Terror at the Gate is keeping that in check and forcing me to consider if I really want to proceed or not. Ideally you have a steady progression and you don't run into this often or at all, but I'm pretty sure almost everyone will encounter this at some point. A strong anxiety or panic response should be taken seriously in my opinion, maybe it just means that this is not the right time for something to happen. 

As always, this is only my personal take on it and my interpretation of what others told me. I never regretted holding back when it felt it was the best decision, there are always other sessions. But when you feel you are ready, in a strong position and confident, then yes, you can have a go at "The Gate". 

It feels like I'm getting closer and closer to a breakthrough. Today i managed to get my crystal progasm to become completely invisible inside me. The body was worming around in the nethers, pushing and pulling, creating some very nice involentaries. Making good progress, feels like my first prostate orgasm is just around the bend.

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Today i failed again to reach a orgasm aless, been like that for a long time (except the occasional accidental transition, but thoose doesn't count). I was like 99% there, but no matter how hard i tried i couldn't transition. One step forward, two step back i guess.

I thought i finally unlocked the final piece a few days ago. But the thing is, you'll never know what you're gonna get. Always moving and changing things around. Don't get me wrong, i get insane amounts of pleasure of being stuck 99% near the edge to a orgasm. There are far more worse places to be, just another 'kink' in the road. I'll figure it out eventually.

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I was like 99% there, but no matter how hard i tried i couldn't transition.

This might be the hardest part, so don't beat yourself up. I wrote about this specific situation a while ago, maybe it can help ? Navigating “Almost-Almosts” : So you’re almost there ? – General Discussion – Aneros Forum

Good luck and don't give up ! 

Thankyou @Zentai for the link, it's a really amazing post. I think i figured out what my problem is. It's that i tend to 'nibble' on the cake a little bit too much. I take a bite, enjoying the sensations for a while, then i stop. Then again, a few minutes later i go back, take another bite, and this goes on for hours.

I spend several hours each day enjoying the preorgasmic sensations i get from nipple play and contractions, and my power is growing slowly each day. I have the power to weave a lot more powerful p-waves now, than i would be able to a month ago. The sensations i get is truly amazing, and very addictive.

So i would say my problem is a lack of commitment (to reach a dry-o). If i would dedicate myself early on to reach a orgasm, and not spend several hours each day leeching of sensations. Things might turn out differently.

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. I was like 99% there, but no matter how hard i tried i couldn't transition.

At this point,trying hard is counter productive,this is the point where I take leave of the process,take leave of my goal and I’ll use a thought or even words said in a fantasy to create an arousal spike to transition to super o. You just need to learn to live in the moment and stop looking ahead.

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I spend several hours each day enjoying the preorgasmic sensations i get from nipple play and contractions, and my power is growing slowly each day

This sounds like siege mentality,like a dog chasing its tail. Maybe streamline to 30-45 mins per day and take what you get. Or 30 mins morning and 30 mins at night. I used to do something similar.

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I have the power to weave a lot more powerful p-waves now, than i would be able to a month ago.

Be happy with the progress, super o is a skill that you build from scratch. It takes time,and it won’t come until you reach the journey maturity to have sessions in the moment without always looking forward and expecting. 

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So i would say my problem is a lack of commitment (to reach a dry-o). If i would dedicate myself early on to reach a orgasm, and not spend several hours each day leeching of sensations.

I wouldn’t,I’d say you chase too hard. Spending hrs per day chasing this is commitment,just from the wrong perspective. Commitment and dedication to shaping and achieving orgasmic perfection is exactly what the journey demands from a man. Learning how to keep excitement and expectation in check is another. You’re right,you are there,right there.

We’ll keep trying to help,but we can only show you the door,you’re the one who has to walk through it.