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I've never managed to get the Aneros to work for me, and I could really use some tips and tricks to finally get somewhere. No lack of trying though. I've been at it since 2009, and i've spent several hundreds of hours during the years trying to get this thing to work.

I'm proficient at going Aless though, and i have the ability to orgasm almost instantly on command without anything inserted. I also have the ability to repeat it over and over as much as i like until i get boored or fall asleep. Circling the drain but never going over the edge

I've tried to use the same techniques i use to go aless, relax, focus on a p-wave, amplify it using nipples and clenching, and using my mind to have it blossom into a beautful amazing "calm seas".

I still have a loong way to go on my journey it seems. I've never managed to get involuntaries, all my orgasm so far has been the one usally experienced by penile stimulation (without touching anything).

My prostate has always been "invisible" (even during a dry-o, going aless). Trying to force it never works, and the techniques i use when going aless doesnt work when i have something inserted.

 

So any ideas, tips or tricks how i might be able to actually get the Aneros to work for me?


   
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Stay the course and you’ll get there! Took me a long time (six years plus) to achieve where I’m at today enjoying lots of pleasure with Os and super Os! Was plateaued for a long time but all at once things clicked both with Aneros and Aless! Progasm Jr helped me over the hump as well as being TOTALLY relaxed and letting go! Using Vaseline along with anal glide as a lube seemed to help as well!


   
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@Helghast achieved Aless Super-Os before he could get the Aneros to really work for him, if I remember right. Maybe he could help here ? 

If you get zero prostate feelings, and your Aless Os are not prostate based, then I feel like you will need a different approach in order to get some sensitivity going down there. Do you get any sensation using a finger ?  

 


   
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Thankyou for your insight, i´d love to hear from @Helgast. My nipples used to be dead too, until i got help from chuckjo2000, and i´m forever in his debt for helping me evolve. If any of you guys are curious about going aless, i highly recommend doing a search on the forum with his name.

The only sensation that trigger a reaction is pain. If i stop peeing midstream i get a ´jolt´in the prostate, and the same thing if a jump down from a ledge. I´m very tall (6´2+), and i´ve never felt anything in there with a finger.

Getting an orgasm aless has a huge price though, i get insane blueballs/soreness/pain if i don´t blow my load. I can´t sense how much pressure there is down there, but i´m guessing it´s under very high load, and it would be very uncomfy if i had the ability to actually sense my prostate. 

The second effect of orgasm aless for me is that it makes it ridiculosly hard to blow my load afterwards, and everytime i orgasm i get an insane rock hard boner. It´s very hard to stay away though, and the body is always craving for more.


   
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I was told that going beyond the 'edge' was impossible. That it was only possible to 'circle the drain', as @Zentai so very neatly put it. And by the edge i mean going beyond 'PONR' without ejaculating, and just continue to orgasm forever.

I've had this ability to go aless for over thirteen years, and somehow i thought it was closely related to my aneros journey. Even though i´ve never really had any success with my aneros. I've had some limited nice feelings sometimes, but i've never been able to replicate them again.

In the beginning it was more of a fluke, like 'holy shit' im having a orgasm. Ofcourse i had no idea what path i actually took to get there. I focused on all the buzzing going on, trying to amplify it, contracting, relaxing etc.

Yesterday i actually managed to get some limited response from when inserted, but it was completely different sensations than i usally get from going aless. So @Zentai was probaly completely right that they are in fact not prostate based, or related to my aneros journey.

When i start from zero going aless, it takes quite a lot of time and patience to travel to the edge and beyond. Once you're beyond the edge, and you let go of the feelings and return to normal. It's very easy for me to get back in the saddle and orgasm, it usally only takes a few minutes.

So how do i go aless? First you need something to focus on. I usally go with a few moments of porn to get that desire going, then i close my eyes, relax, and focus my thoughts on the nethers. It's like a tiny seed that you need to nurture to make it grow.

It usally takes the form of a tiny buzzing down there, but you have the ability to amplify it with your thoughts and your focus. After a while, the buzzing has increased in intensity, and for me it sends out waves of 'chills' all of my body. I've also heard about heatwaves, but i've never experienced thoose.

Thoose waves will eventually morph into something else, something really amazing...


   
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Posted by: @brailleskin

It usually takes the form of a tiny buzzing down there, but you have the ability to amplify it with your thoughts and your focus. After a while, the buzzing has increased in intensity, and for me it sends out waves of 'chills' all of my body. I've also heard about heatwaves, but I've never experienced those.

You can get both hot and cold feelings, I've had both, but it's hard to say if this means your are going to a different destination. Maybe it does not really matter. 

Even if you get little or no prostate involvement, you can enjoy some anal sensations with Aneros and these should add to your pleasure. Maybe in your case you do 90% of the work and Aneros could help with the other 10%, making things easier, or maybe it can have a compound effect on what you already get ?  And your prostate might wake up one day, since we know that Aless sensations can closely mimic what we get with the devices. 

 


   
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Thankyou @Zentai for trying to help me. I feel stupid even asking for help, since i've already achieved what most guys only dream about. The ability to have a endless penile orgasm without ejaculating, by only using contractions and nipples.

I'm curious if that is something everyone goes through on their path, or if i just took a wrong turn somewhere?

My hope lies in that someday it all just clicks in place and works. I really don't know what to expect from the device to be honest, i've only read so many amazing stories on this forum.  I love all seven of my devices, but they're still just weirdly shaped plastic things that doesnt do very much for me yet.


   
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Thankyou @Zentai for trying to help me. I feel stupid even asking for help, since i've already achieved what most guys only dream about.

C'mon man, don't say that ! You're on the Aneros forum, so it's normal to ask questions about how to get the Aneros to work for you. If this was obvious, everyone would be doing it...  

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The ability to have a endless penile orgasm without ejaculating, by only using contractions and nipples.

You're right, that's a pretty good place to be, and a good foundation to build on. Most people need to work with less, it's true, but since you have it, try to take advantage of it as much as you can. 

I don't think a lot of people get "stuck" there, and I would not call this a wrong turn. It's just one place you can end up at in your search for the Super-O. There are other such places, and as much fun as they can be, they are still "not the Super-O". Edging can feel a bit like this, or external perineum massage. Other techniques get you right on the edge, and again on the edge, and still on the edge, and... 

I don't think your issues come from lack of sensitivity, and looking at this : 

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[...] the techniques i use when going aless doesnt work when i have something inserted.

My best guess is that your devices get locked in place in some way, this would be either from an angle issue (position), or squeezing too hard at PC or sphincter. Sometimes relaxing is not enough to give the device sufficient liberty to move, and you could have to flex in the other direction. This could be from having tense PC or sphincter muscles, or even muscle imbalance from all your Aless work.

Keep in mind these are more ideas and theories and I would be hard pressed to prove any of this is actually happening in the field, but on paper they would fit with some of my experiences. 

 


   
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During todays aless session i experienced something i've never experienced before. It was radiating outwards in pulses every few seconds, originating in my dick and going all over my body in waves.

Chills and tingles everywhere....What was that, does anyone know?


   
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@brailleskin 

Chills and pulses are good ! I don't know how you would call them, but I get this sometimes. If they were originating form the prostate, for me they would be a good indication that I'm getting closer to Os. So if you can shift focus to your prostate and find the pulses there, this could be a great start. Don't change anything, just move your mind's eye to that point, and see if that works for you. 


   
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... going all over my body in waves. Chills and tingles everywhere....What was that, does anyone know?

Yes those are P-Waves (Pleasure waves), sometimes they exist as chills, sometimes as electric like tingling, sometimes as warm flushes, sometimes just as indescribable pleasure sensations. Just enjoy them and don't try to over analyze them.

Good Vibes to You!


   
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Thankyou @Zentai, that was exactly what i was looking for. You confirmed my suspicion that i was getting closer, though i wasn't able to replicate the result a second time. I'll venture there again someday when my body lets me...

That is how i usally go beyond the 'edge' into a orgasm. When i'm close to the edge i can feel my body really tries to ejaculate, but fails repeatedly. Trying to force your way into a orgasm never works.

So i try to be gentle, and 'nudge' it in several sessions a few minutes a part. When you're getting close to the edge, you can feel it bleeding through ever so slightly. The 'flavour' of the orgasm is changing too, getting ever so sweeter the closer you get.

Instead of trying to force your way over the edge, lean back, relax, and let it flush over you, like a wave of water in the ocean. It's that repeating single p-wave that resonates out all over your body that will eventually take you to the other side.

I've never had a 'p-wave pulse cascade' before though, that was something completely new.

When i was a teen living in my parents house, i discovered the amazingly powerful effects of water. I was experimenting with water jets in a jacuzzi, and achieved a orgasm so intense it changed me forever.

The thing about penile orgasms is that you have to clench your pc-muscles to stay in the 'flow', and it's also like putting the pedal to the metal. You're always accelerating, going at breakneck speeds down the orgasm highway.

I spent several minutes holding on to a orgasm, clenching my pc-muscle like a crazy person. The intensity was off the scales, and i never managed to reach the same heights ever again.

That is the most amazing aspect of the aless/aneros orgasms. I can choose to stay at a low intensity orgasm 'calm seas' as long as i want, no need to clench to keep myself in the loop.


   
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@brailleskin 

Glad I could help. Although Rumel is right, these would be P-waves, for some reason I was thinking Prostate-Waves instead of Pleasure-Waves.

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I've never had a 'p-wave pulse cascade' before though, that was something completely new.

Yes, sometimes if goes "wom-wom-wom" from toes to top of head, which is pretty cool ! 


   
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I've heard stories about semen retention, and that they need to abstain for days to get their energies going to make the aneros/aless work for them?

For me it's the complete opposite, i get my wings clipped due to pressure buildups/blueballs/ache. I can go from 0 to 100 in milliseconds, a while after i've blown my load, and i am completely crippled during blueballs/ache.

Any discomforts whatsoever disables my abilities to reach orgasm in minutes aless using mainly nipples and contraction. My nipples are ridiculosly overpowered, which i'm forever grateful for, but i have no idea how i became like this.

Is getting blueballs/pressue buildups/aching a newbie thing? Not quite sure how to avoid it either, since any attempt to reach a orgasm, also triggers that reaction no matter what i do...

Maybe i shouldn't go beyond the edge into a orgasm, maybe there is some other path hidden from me? But it feels so amazing, and it's so very very hard to abstain from using my superpowers...


   
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@brailleskin 

I'd would dry try ejaculating in the morning and having a session at night, or vice-versa. If I spend more than 2 days without ejaculating I get blue balls, too, so semen retention is not for me either. 


   
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Yea, that is probably the way to go, i need to blow my load from time to time..

I had another one of thoose silent orgasm this afternoon, managed to get one yesterday evening too, while using the eupho. Both of them stayed really quiet, no pleasure. I'm starting to see a pattern, but i definitly think it was a orgasm, all my nethers buzzing/wobbling like crazy. Why are they silent though, why can't i make them sing songs of pleasure?

My theory is that the strangely shaped piece of plastic inside me isn't really helping, rather being a distraction. It's limiting my abilities to tap into the orgasm and actually feel something. Patience is the key i guess, with enough practice i will start to feel things again. I placed a order for my eight aneros device today, it's a helix syn v. It got really wonderful reviews, so i'm hopeful that it might be the one...


   
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Why are they silent though, why can't i make them sing songs of pleasure?

I still think you're not getting as much movement as you should, and your muscles are tying to wrestle with the immovable. So things can't build up from there. I'd try a lot of different positions, if you did not do this already, like sitting on your heels, or being on your back with your feet on the wall, stuff like this. Try to really align the device so it lays on the prostate with as little bend as possible, if this make any sense.  


   
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@fred27 a quick question? Is not Vaseline only for external use? Do you use water based lube with it?? Just want to use this but not sure if it will react badly. Thanks my friend.


   
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@ghusa The manufacturers recommend water-based lube


   
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@brailleskin I just wanted to add that there may be a way to avoid blue balls. I used to get that also but now even if I do not ejaculate for over a month , I do not get any pain. While showering, put cold water on genitals for few seconds. I do use cold shower for two minutes regardless of the weather and it helps.  Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. 

 


   
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@ghusa I'd recommend a water/silicon hybrid lube. The waterlube gets absorbed really easy inside you and dries up quickly, and the silicon never goes away. The silicon is harmful for your toys, but the water/silicone hybrid lube is not...

Thankyou for the tip on the shower. I don't use the Aneros that much anymore, been struggling 14 years to get it work, no luck yet. I've been getting a lot of tips and tricks from @Zentai how i might get it working for me, which im very grateful for.

I do most of my sessions without anything inserted, and orgasm 2-3 times a day, so i don't really need it, but nevertheless i want to experience that world...if it is just a glimpse/one time thing...


   
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@ghusa yes I use water based lube internally then a lite coating of Vaseline on my Progasm Jr. Has worked very well for me. I use baby scented Vaseline from CVS. Jr seems to love it as it moves slowly back and forth across my p spot!


   
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@fred27 thanks a bunch. So you lightly coat Jr with Vaseline and then you coat it with water based lube. Am I right? I will certainly try it.  Thanks my friend. Appreciate it.


   
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It depends completely on which model you have. If you have a polyvinylchloride (pvc) model like @fred27 vaseline is ok. If your toy is made from silicone, then vaseline (and silicone) lube will be harmful for it...


   
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@brailleskin thanks for the note. Appreciate it. I mainly use plastic models like Eupho and MGX. I guess it should be fine on these.  I am in the process of buying Jr anyway.


   
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Vaseline is petroleum based, something I'll never use internally but that's just me.


   
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@ggringo yea, i'd never use vaseline either, it's made from the same stuff you get your gas/petrol from...really nasty stuff...

 

@Zentai My orgasm transitions have become really insane lately, before it wasn't that hard to transition from normal to orgasm. Very pleasurable sensations from nipple, and some contraction and induce a few p-waves and lean into it and i'm there...

Now it's up there in the cloud, and i get this insane feedback...first i get a unreal boner, like monster size, then it itches on the inside of the penis like crazy (a weird pleasure itch, hard to explain)...all the time while it is throwing really powerful pleasurewaves at me, and i need to induce a *lot* of p-wave, and im just climbing and climbing the ladder, and everything starts shaking....and it just keeps getting worse every session that i try to transition...what is happening to me? after i transition into a orgasm it just goes silent on me, like full volume pleasure, so much i can barely take it...and then just bam, silence...(i transition out of there), but it's getting really hard to go into orgasm theese days...i'm just sitting here shaking, and i didnt even manage to transition into orgasm this time, the bar was waaay waaay up there, really hard to reach....

And i'm stuck here,the energy doesn't dissipate....my body craves a orgasm soo badly...and i'm scared


   
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Posted by: @brailleskin

And i'm stuck here,the energy doesn't dissipate....my body craves a orgasm soo badly...and i'm scared

Can you elaborate ? This does not look right to me, that part in particular... how does this feel VS what you would normally get ? Do these buildups feel, I don't know, "dirty" or "wrong" or like they don't flow right or something? The bar should get lower, not higher, this looks like you'd need to break the dam or force the orgasm, which could lead to some negative experiences. There might be an issue were you are not supposed to chase the O, yet you're skilled enough to catch it anyway. I would say it's time for a break right about now, but you'll need to send that energy somewhere, so that could be yet another thing to manage. 


   
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@ghusa no I put water based lube inside and just Vaseline on Progasm Jr if Vaseline is safe for babies butts, it’s ok for mine!


   
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Posted by: @ghusa
@fred27 a quick question? Is not Vaseline only for external use?
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@ghusa I'd recommend a water/silicon hybrid lube. The waterlube gets absorbed really easy inside you and dries up quickly, and the silicon never goes away. The silicon is harmful for your toys, but the water/silicone hybrid lube is not..
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@ghusa yes I use water based lube internally then a lite coating of Vaseline on my Progasm Jr. Has worked very well for me.
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Vaseline is petroleum based, something I'll never use internally but that's just me.
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@ggringo, yea, i'd never use vaseline either, it's made from the same stuff you get your gas/petrol from...really nasty stuff...
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@ghusa no I put water based lube inside and just Vaseline on Progasm Jr if Vaseline is safe for babies butts, it’s ok for mine!

@Fred27, Vaseline is used externally on babies butts to reduce irritation from urine soaked diapers, it is not recommended to be used in their rectums. 

Guys, while Vaseline is suggested "For External Use Only", it's history doesn't indicate any real toxicity issues though it is possible some off label brands may contain impurities from the refining process. There have been numerous thread discussions about various lubrication regimes and you might want to consider Natural Jelly as a safer, more natural alternative to Vaseline.

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