Post here if you are *really* stuck.

Sign me up. Unless it involves venturing into murky woods wearing suspicious robes carrying torches while chanting ancient spells... If it does, sign me up anyway, cause I've been stuck for six years. Can't say I've devoted my life to this but I at least have 30-40 sessions behind me and I still feel nothing from these devices, despite some success with other bigger toys. Late twenties, athletic and average height. No health problems. Been using it on and off for well, six years. How's that for a paragraph?

I would like to participate, but not sure if I qualify as “really stuck”.

I am a 43-year old man of average height and weight. I have some elevated cholesterol, but otherwise, I’m healthy. I have been using the Aneros for 1.5 years and I had some nice feelings, but never anything really pleasurable. I have had some body shakes, some tingling, but I’m not sure if these are P-waves and I have never had a mini-O. I was really frustrated from lack of progress.

In the last 3 weeks, I do feel like I have had some better sessions, my erection quality has gotten better, and I’m getting more precum. The body shakes are getting more intense, but still not a lot of pleasure. I do feel like I am making progress toward a possible mini-O, so I don’t know if this qualifies as stuck or not. Let me know what you think.

@7sdoor

That seems like interesting progress to me. I don't think you're hitting a wall at all. Progress can feel slow then *bam* out of nowhere things fall in place a lot faster than you could imagine.

I don't want to make a big mystery of this, the reason I'm looking for people that are making 0 progress is that I'm hoping to offer a very different approach to what is typical. I think that there is a certain % of users that might really click with this approach. 

If you're making progress and switch things around that much, you might get stuck for real. On the other hand if you're really stuck and try this and it doesn't work, you were stuck anyway so you're not hurting your progress.

Thanks @zentai!

I agree with your assessment. About a month ago, I would have said that I was really frustrated and stuck, but lately, I do feel like I am making progress and heading toward something bigger. 

I will be curious to hear about your alternative approach, but I will keep doing what I’m doing.

I have been using the aneros helix trident for nearly two years, and I'll be honest, I mainly just use it to augment traditional masturbation sessions. I'm more interested in achieving non-ejaculatory orgasms now though; I need to shake up my routines. Cannot seem to get past the pent up feeling even after an hour or so of having the Aneros in and not touching my genitals, and then I'll take it out and then go for the traditional jack session. 

So I posted a thread in here but only got one response so I'll try here too I guess.  I'm in my late 30s, around 200 pounds and 5'11.  I am mostly healthy but have a fair bit of back problems.  I am new to the prostate scene, only had about 7 or 8 sessions with the Helix Trident (white one). 

I consider myself stuck because I am making no progress in all these sessions.  I honestly feel nothing but mild discomfort with the device in.  I don't know if I even have it in the right place or not.  I can't seem to find the "sweet spot" and when I use my finger, I feel what I think is the prostate but pressure just makes me feel like I have to pee.  I've had multiple sessions ranging from 15 minutes to an hour and can have the device in with no discomfort.  I am used to doing kegals but even varying the speed, intensity, clenching, deep breathing, touching other parts of my body I don't have any feeling.  I also just purchased a vibrating device and used that today and again, no feeling other than a pressure like I had to pee.

My only thought, that I've read about here is that the medicine I take (SSRI) may reduce feeling in the prostate.  I'm not really sure I can get off the medicine at this point or ever, so am I just doomed to this being a lost cause?

@steviekiwi 

Fine paragraph ! You had a lot of good suggestions on the thread you started, it's a great thread really.Give them a spin and if you still cannot get *any* feeling after that, I'll count you in for shock therapy. 

@nightzero88

Traffic is not always super high on the forum so sometimes a post slips from the front page and it's gone... I don't think you're stuck, you're doing fine for someone just starting, it's just a lot of things to think about and can get overwhelming. Bump your old thread and I'm sure you'll get more answers.The medication angle might be hard to work around but don't lose hope.

@wickedsnake 

How much time since you switched your approach to get away from masturbation ? Are you familiar with the wiki and standard methodology, relaxation, breathing, no penis contact at all ? Switching from very different approaches like that, more likely than not you'll have an adaptation period where things will be slower. What's your take on it ? 

Take care everyone ! 

@zentai You say doing fine, but I disagree.  After 8 sessions I think I'd feel something, anything.  I feel so little, as I said, I'm not even convinced I'm doing it right.  And the FAQ/Wiki are not super helpful.

@nightzero88

I bumped your first thread and added some toughts. Head over there and we'll fix you up. The wiki is a fine ressource once you get started but there's a lot of stuff you don't need at the very start, if you've been over it at least once you're good to go for now.

i've made some progress in the last few months (more than i've ever made in around 12 years, using it very sporadically) so don't want to jump on this thread just yet but am really interested in the outcome

@steadyeddy

Basically this is no miracle cure, it's mainly a visualization method that I developed specifically for myself for Aneros use, the heart of it being what I think is a pretty slick trick for those of us with a mind that just won't shut up. The main problem right now it that's it's about 8 pages long, divided in 8 sections, and I'm fighting the forum software to try to format things correctly from my Word document, even pasting as plain text I get around a hundred random line breaks which makes the final result unreadable, I'm throwing the towel for today.  

That thing is pretty complex/weird and I'm really not sure if it's going to work for anyone else, so I'm still a little on the fence about it and did several re-writes. There's also the fact that is goes against several fundamental principles and could send people on a wild goose chase, if you're are already struggling you don't need more things to manage. 

Nonetheless, you'll get to read this sooner than later. 

@zentai not very long, I think the last three sessions i made the effort to not stimulate my dick at all while the aneros was in for 1-2 hours, then take it out, and commence phallic masturbation. I probably should focus more on relaxation and breathing. I tend to just insert the aneros, and do different contraction methods, kinda just doing what feels good.  

@wickedsnake

Doing what feels good seems like a good starter plan. I don't have any experience in de-coupling Aneros use from masturbation as I always wait for the session to be "done" before touching my dick.

So that's kind of a puzzle, if you've always masturbated when using your toy, do you have to start back from zero or can you pivot on this, I'm afraid I can't answer. My best guess would be to concentrate on nipple play and caressing your body as a replacement for touching your penis and possibly not ejaculating at the end of your session to further separate the two activities. 

I finally decided to just drop this here, it doesn't really flow the way that I would have liked, but otherwise I'll never be done and you won't get to read it. So if you see a whole bunch of edits, that's just me fixing small stuff, the content likely won't change at all.

The Overthinker's Mind Trick (or something)

What is it about ? It’s mainly a visualization method for people who have trouble letting go or simply cannot do it because of the way their brain is hardwired or because of specific beliefs or parasite thoughts. Some of you may think that I’m just messing around or that it’s just too complex for no reason. The truth is that this has helped me immensely in my journey, and maybe it will inspire people to try similar things. I hope it is useful to at least some of you.

Part One : Introduction.

This method COULD help you work around your Ego no matter how rigid and controlling you think it is. If you have trouble letting go, if you think you’re doing everything right and getting nowhere, if you have anxiety, if you’re overthinking everything and changing your approach every Aneros session, it’s possible that the way your brain works prevents you from reaching your Aneros goals.
Now there is a trap here, where you think this is a quick fix and grab on to this blindly thinking it will work. Or you think, oh the Wiki and all that other stuff doesn’t work because I’m different so I need a special way to do this. This is only a tool. All that stuff about expectations, arousal, relaxation, all of this stays absolutely true and you will still have to work on it until it clicks for you. This method is extra work, not less.

Right now as I’m typing this, I honestly don’t know if this will work for anyone else. But let’s say you are convinced that the path you are on does not lead anywhere, you’re about to throw your toys in the trash and you’re ready to try ANYTHING, I’ll close the intro with this : Some of this advice is in direct contradiction with what I’d call the Aneros fundamentals. Can this hurt your rewiring success in the short, medium, long term if you use it ? I don’t think so, you’ll have to decide for yourself.
** I also don’t think this will be really useful to raw beginners, but maybe there’s a way to adapt it (?). More likely than not, if you’re just starting, doing Kegels and deep breathing everyday will be a MUCH better use of your time and will give you real, tangible improvement right now.

Part Two : Accepting your reality

Now don’t throw your toys in the trash. Let’s examine this Ego of yours. If you’re an over thinker, this is part of you. In the same way that you can’t tell a depressed person to just be happy, you can’t just stop overthinking. Maybe it’s part of your job, lots of things are at stake, you can’t make mistakes or people will get hurt. Maybe you do troubleshooting and you need to think about every possibility. Maybe you’re an artist and you need to always think about new things. Maybe you’re anxious and your mind never stops. Maybe you’re passionate about always finding better ways to do things.

Same thing for a rigid Ego, you might be THE guy in charge and can’t show weakness or uncertainty. You might be asked to take the blame without flinching, or let everyone get the praise for your work while you’re in the background. You might be “the rock” for your family or friends, the guy that must carry on no matter what. You might even think you’re surrounded by evil people, assholes and losers and you can’t let them get to you by letting your guard down. Whether any of this is true, you’re stuck in this rigid mindset where being in control at all time is essential to your survival and you have trouble winding down.

There’s nothing wrong with you, a strong Ego is an asset in a lot of situations, but such particularities of your personally will make the journey to the Super-O harder, and sometimes almost impossible. So when every discussion comes down to basically : Don’t expect anything, and just let go, don’t think too much and surrender control, how can a guy like you do it ? This is a personal example:

I’ll always say that the “do nothing method” doesn’t work. I don’t know if I’m “doing nothing” enough. Maybe I’m “doing nothing” too much ? Maybe I’m “not doing” the wrong thing. Oh, some sensation ! Wait, did it happen because I *did* something ? Was it me ? Well my subconscious is *me* also, what’s that clown technique ? There’s no logic in it, no wonder it doesn’t work.. . And on and on… Just do nothing, it’s easy ! Yeah, screw that noise, at least when I do tug-of-war I feel something, so I think I’ll stick to that and let you hippies and lazy persons “do nothing” if you want to “do” that.

How can I escape this? First, I’ll accept that the do nothing method is not right for me at the time because of the way my mind works. Like shoes that don’t fit. My Ego will tell me how dumb I’d have to be to try to fit my size 10 feet in size 6 shoes, and it will be right. You see, now we’re working together! I can now let go of this approach for the time being and it’s one less thing to think about. But, this also means that I have fewer tools than others, and I have to accept that I may have to work harder. But, you’ll say, you’re supposed to let go and now you’re talking about working harder. Yes, I know, I told you, that’s not my fault that my brain works this way. You’re doing the exact same thing . That’s not really helping you, is it? Read on.

Part Three : You’re not doing so bad

You’re familiar with the wiki, you know about the Bee-line and you’ve read ancient tomes of wisdom from veteran Aneros luminaries. You’re standing on the shoulders of giants. More often than you think, some new guy’s very first post will offer some unexpected wisdom. So you have vast amounts of knowledge on your side and new elements are always appearing that can flip things around. Furthermore, you have a strong belief that the Super-O is real, even if you’re not there yet. Even technologies are changing; you could have a VR enhanced Aneros session right now if you wanted, maybe that would be a breakthrough ? At some point maybe we’ll all get brain implants with an Orgasm switch. No matter how stuck you think you are, things can change.

Now even if your Ego is fighting against your access to the Super-O, all is definitely not lost. Let’s say you’ve had a 100 sessions. You know how to start a session, you know how to end one. You’re pretty good at staying clean down there and avoiding messes, you know which lube you like, how long it lasts, how much you need. You tried several positions, with or without clothes, in different places, and I hope you masturbated with the Aneros inserted at least a “hand-full” of time. You’re comfortable with the toy, and if you’re honest with yourself, you’re more in tune with your body and sexuality than at the start. Your PC muscles are toned, you have some control over them, maybe your abs are a little firmer than when you started. That’s no Super-O, but your Ego can at the very least accept those things as true. Your Ego loves hard facts, feed him a little. That way he won’t see you coming with your trickery later on.

From getting stuck and unstuck several times and in several different ways(yes, it can happen), I hope you believe me when I say that a session is never truly useless. You’re stacking bricks one by one without seeing the big picture, one day you’ll take a step back and you’ll see that your bridge, tower or castle is really taking shape and things will get going fast at that point.

Part Four : Are you messing with me or does this go somewhere ?

It does go somewhere. Now there are two ways that I know of to get out of this mess where your mind just won’t shut up. I’ve used both of them, but there’s only one I can teach you.
Number one is to really work on yourself, meditate, write a journal, change your outlook on life. Remove stress from your life. Eat well. Exercise. Love yourself and others. This wil take years . You’ll never be done. Will it help with your journey ? Definitely. It will help your whole life. You should start right now. This will pay off. But in the short term, that’s not really what you want to hear.

Number two is to trick your Ego so it leaves you alone and you can progress towards the Super-O. But you only learn that in part seven (!!!). What you need now is a little theory about this whole method; we need to be on the same page for this to work. There’s some kind of weird internal logic to this thing and one of the reason there’s so much damn text, and why you may feel that you got a bunch of unrelated info and why is this guy switching from topic to topic like this and we’re not even halfway done ?!? Soldier on !

Part Five : This is a story we are telling ourselves

I need to be super frank with you, I have zero psychology background. I don’t have a degree to show you, I can’t prove to you that I’m not inventing all of this. In fact I’m inventing all of this. As you won’t go around repeating this to friends and family, it doesn’t matter as long as you think this is true or at least plausible. If you go read about the Ego, the Super Ego and all that jazz, you’ll find big holes in my method. The less you think about it, the better this will work. Later on, you’ll be able to adapt this method to be as factually true as you need it to be, but that’s for another time. So for now, I want you to interiorize that This Is A Story We Are Telling Ourselves. You can’t enjoy The Lord of the Rings if you go : “L-O-L, orcs aren’t real! This is so fake” at every page. So here is the story.

Your Ego is part of you and knows all you know. You can’t *trick* it for real. But in our story, there is a way to manage your Ego, to give it some work it will concentrate on while you work towards your Super-O. Your Ego will be occupied controlling things and being his bossy, analytical self in a small Mindscape. What is a Mindscape? It’s very simple : We’ll build a little imaginary world that you can slip into when you have an Aneros session. This world is separate from you, it’s very limited in scale and you’re only visiting it for a short while. Your Ego has very little control there so he can’t ruin things, but he has a couple of jobs to do so he feels important. In this story, your Ego is nothing more than some kind of well-meaning roommate that needs constant attention and praise, and leaves empty pizza boxes and beer bottles everywhere, but you’ve been friend with him forever and can’t just kick him out. Oh yeah, he owns the house and pays for everything so there’s that also… don’t think about that too much.

So before we go to part six… you’ll get this. Your body is wired for this, your mind can make this happen. One day you’ll be working with your Ego and you won’t have to use this technique forever, but you’ll always have it in the toolbox. There are several uses for it, and if this thing pans out and some men find it useful, I’ll elaborate on it later on.

Part Six : Building your mindscape

Now let’s make that mindscape. Even if you don’t think you have a good imagination, you’ll be fine. You might be able to build this in a single session or you might need more time and this really does not matter. Your Ego gets to participate so you won’t be fighting it (him? Yourself?) . But as soon as it’s done, he’ll have work to do elsewhere and won’t bother you. There are 2 concepts we’ll be working on, and there’s 2 steps to each. I wanted to make a 2 weeks program from this but you will most likely get there a lot sooner. Ok now this gets weird and I hope I won’t be losing too many people here, because that’s the heart of the whole thing. Just trust the process. Don’t skip steps.

Phase one :
Step 1 : First thing you’re going to do is make an image search in your favorite browser. You’re looking for anatomy charts showing the prostate, digital examination, surrounding muscles, etc. Try “prostate anatomy”, “pelvis anatomy”, “digital prostate exam” and the like.
Look at a whole bunch of them, see that some are very detailed and some pretty cheap. Hey, most of them don’t even show the Cowper’s glands, really? That’s shady work, chart guy… You’ll never get to really see your prostate, this is the closer you’ll ever get. Try to picture what your prostate really looks like, where it’s positioned, how big, wide, deep it is. Hey, do you even know where your lungs are exactly, or your spleen? They work anyway. Just do your best. We’ll call this image your “real” prostate. If you ever fingered yourself, or used other toys, DO use that info while building your image.

Step 2 : Now you’ll do a similar thing with your Aneros toy. Look at it, compare it’s length and size with your finger, check that against your anatomy charts. Check the pictures on the Aneros site. Try to imagine how this toy will glide against your prostate, run it against your fingers, feel the toy’s weight. Build a good mental picture of it. Close your eyes and picture your prostate as best you can. Now picture your toy in relation to it. See it inside of you. A plastic or silicon toy, rubbing against an oddly shaped bump that’s hidden on the other side of the wall of your colon. That’s reality. That’s what we are starting with. That was phase one, easy enough ? Now ask yourself (you Ego) how close you think you are, keep your answer to yourself. Or tell your cat if you want.

Phase two :
Your first mindscape is a cave. You get to decide how big it is, don’t make it too cramped. It’s dark, there’s no sound in it and no echo. It’s dry, it’s clean and there’s no particular smell. There is only one small entrance but it’s pretty far from the main room and you don’t really care about it. That cave is pretty tall, maybe like a cathedral ? At the highest point of the cave’s roof, there’s *something*. We’ll call it your imaginary prostate. You and your Ego get to decide its shape. This shape will evolve as you get more comfortable with the whole concept. So you can choose something simple. Here’s what one of my first image looked like :

Don’t laugh ! Ok so the blue line is the cave roof and the ball sack looking thing is my imaginary prostate. So it has a stem, a front, a back, a bottom and a top portion. My current one has channels, ridges and a corkscrew looking appendage at the front and would give David Lynch a run for his money. I suggest you start with just a bump like this maybe :

Now pick a color for your cave walls, pick a color and texture for your imaginary prostate, and we are done for now. Mine is blue-ish, it looks like a blown glass sculpture so it’s kinda transparent , most of it is about as squishy as my eyeballs. Sharing this is extremely weird, so you don’t have to do it with anyone if you’re not comfortable with it.
Hey, you ask, where is step two of phase two ? This happens in session, I’ll tell you when we get there. This will be your Ego’s real job. Before we get to this, here are the rules you will follow during your next Aneros sessions :

Part Seven : Basic rules in your mindscape sessions

I think you will need at least 6 sessions over 2 to 3 weeks to decide if this is worth exploring further, but that’s just a guess. No matter how many sessions you take to decide if this is working for you, you’ll need to follow some rules. You’re not making the rules, I do. You’re following instructions. What are the rules ?

1) Don’t count breaths, heartbeats, contractions. Numbers are meaningless and unwanted here. Don’t look at the clock.
2) No light
3) No music
4) (Just anger? Good try, but no. ) No porn
5) Only position allowed is on your back and variations. As long as your belly button is facing towards the ceiling, you’re good. If anything prevents you from using this position, chose another one but you don’t get to switch and you may need to adapt your cave image so things are oriented right. Got it?
6) No contact with you penis at all during the session. But…
7) …You can end your session with a Super-T if you wish, you’ll have earned it.

Your Ego’s first job is to ensure you obey the rules at all time. You can obsess about the rules as much as you want. Half of them are important. The other half are just to mess with you Ego. You’re allowed to attempt to guess which is which as much as you want.

Now think about yourself laying on your back, in the dark, with no sound and no visual stimulation. How much fun is that? Meh… That’s like… being stuck in a cave!

Part Eight : Taking it for a spin

The gist of it is that you will start each session using the visualization of the “real” prostate and toy. You will try to picture exactly what is happening to your prostate. With each contraction, you will imagine your toy moving and acting on your prostate, you’ll try to feel everything and make sense of everything and control everything. This will be fruitless and you’ll tire of it quickly. Mostly because it will not make much sense and it’s a lot of mental work and it’s just not any fun.

For example, you know that your toy is inserted correctly and touching your prostate. Do a contraction. Picture the toy pivoting on the perineum tab and pressing against your prostate. Did you feel it? Yes? Is the feeling in tune with the strength of your contraction? Is the head of the toy really hitting the spot you think? Really analyze this. If you have no feeling, it’s even better! Your real model is worthless! FACT: your toy is pressing on your prostate. You should feel something. You’re not feeling anything. What the hell!

Test your model until it fails. Hey, you did the best you could. You want to come to the conclusion that it is not possible for your mind to conceptualize exactly what is going on because there is just so few information to work with. Accept defeat!

NOW we get to know if this thing only works for me, or if it works for others. We’re almost seven pages in. I told you, this is more work than having a regular session. Letting go would be much easier, too bad we can’t do it… Let’s see if it plays out. When your model based on reality fails, or when you get tired of it, switch to your mindscape. It’s easy; just imagine your cave and your prostate as best as you can. When things get pleasurable later on, you’ll associate this pleasure with your image and it will get clearer and easier to work with.

This is something you can practice and improve as much as you want. You, yes YOU, can be absolutely great at this. That small cave can be the most real place there is, you can have trees and flowers and birds and stars in there later on if you wish.

Now for the actual part 2 of phase 2: let your ego choose *something* that is acting on your prostate. It could be a liquid, tiny flying hands, some kind of alien Aneros, little creatures (remember Lemmings ?) colored wind, spotlights, music, vines, electricity… Now each time a sensation doesn’t make sense, your Ego’s job is to make sense of it by acting on your imaginary prostate, and your job is to concentrate all your attention on how it feels. Your real prostate and real toy are in the background doing their thing, and you can switch whenever you want. But for now you’ll stay in your cave.

So you get a cold feeling? Imagine cold wind blowing on the back of your prostate, or a mouth whistling on it. Hot feeling? Imagine some sun rays on the front, or comfortably hot water from a flying faucet, or some kind of friction.

Each time you get a feeling that makes sense, when you feel your real toy acting on your actual real gland, switch to your real image. This is really happening in your body. You Ego is still in your cave monitoring things and ready to assign feelings and images, so he’s not interrupting here in the real world…

If you get some powerful unique new feeling, you may have to upgrade your imaginary prostate with new feature. It might need a hole that can be fingered or filled with light, a ridge or horn that can be stroked. So if you started with a bump like I advised, and you start to get feelings on top, but it’s stuck to the ceiling so there’s not really a top part, you may end up with a ball sack looking thing like I showed you. You can imagine two hands holding it like you’d hold a hamburger and stroking around the stem slowly from back to front. Your Aneros can’t do this, but your mind can, and this feels incredible. Pro tip: don’t start stroking hamburgers in the real world, that’s weird.

…

Taking it further and conclusions

Part 8 doesn’t feel complete, because it isn’t. That’s mostly because I think this is already far too long, and I don’t know if this will work for others. And I wanted to get this thing out there so you guys can try it. This is the single most powerful technique I know to work with the Aneros and Aless and the only way I found to trick my mind in letting things happen. I use it for almost every session, sometimes for only a moment and sometimes much longer, and it truly works in my case.

By accepting that “letting go” is not as easy for me as it seems to be for others, I think I’ve reached this deal with myself where I’m allowed to remain partly in control of this small pocket dimension as long as I let go of the rest, and it works. At some point the feelings are so strong that the real Aneros can’t compete in any way and that’s the true gateway to Aless experiences where you finally realize that YOU are doing this to YOURSELF. This is really, in fact, a story that you are telling yourself.

Until you get there, you can also use your mindscape to take cover if you experience Terror at the Gate, take time to reassure yourself and then go back, or just take a break if things get too intense.

It’s also good sometimes to hold a little secret, and this is a place that no one else will ever see or hear about and keeping it that way won’t hurt anyone.

I wish that I could write better about the subtleties of why I think this works, because I really think it’s some kind of trick you’re playing on yourself, but it doesn’t really matter. If it works, it works, I sincerely hope this method is good to you.

Take care everyone !

**While I know this method might be too weird or esoteric for a vast majority of users, I’d appreciate if you could drop a short comment on how this can be improved, and if anyone tries it, PLEASE PLEASE tell me about your experience even if it’s just : “Tried it, didn’t work.”

@Zentai, I think the technique you have so awesomely described is an excellent approach and your write-up is brilliantly light hearted and positive. Kudos to you, IMHO, you have elegantly defined one type of (please see #4)...Mind Noise. Thank you for reinterpreting/reframing the Just Let Go concept as well as the Do Nothing... method.

The use of imaginative imagery was a core idea I used in the "HypnAerosession" guided anerosession recording. Your posting is an excellent addition to some of the other classic 'Cherry Pick' postings such as @Neros thread The Myth of Super Orgasm, @cockadoodle ’s thread Penis, NOT , @rook 's thread Whole Body/Whole Mind - the mental side, @SteelColdiron 's thread Aneros: The Essential Mind State and @Neros 's post The truth behind how to "rewire".

I have really enjoyed reading your helpful, positive advice to all men who are trying to find their way along the pleasure path these marvelous little massagers can provide, please keep up the good work and information. I'm sure your words will help more than a few men get unstuck.

Good Vibes to You!

@rumel

Thanks for the kind words, coming from you they mean a lot. I'm quite happy that you enjoyed the writing style, it's a long read for a forum post so I tried to make it fun but it's easy to go overboard into "silly" territory. 

To be honest I'm pretty excited about this and I'm very curious to see how many people will try the method, and what will come out of it. As you said it's mostly reframing existing concepts, but sometimes that's all it takes, so I hope my little write up can make a positive difference. I'll just stay quiet for a little while and see what happens...

@zentai I will be trying this method and I will get back to you

That's great, I hope it works good for you. If it clicks for you, you'll find that it becomes very intuitive pretty quickly and you won't have to concentrate very hard for things to happen. Good luck !  

@zentai

nice write up. It seems like an excellent way to stimulate the imagination aspect and mix that with the physical aspect to build on that specific feedback loop, which is important to building to orgasm. 

It reminds me of amygdala tapping, though here it is prostate specific and well explained (the amygdala tapping writing is pretty far out, at least what I have found)

@divine_o

Couldn't get into amygdala tapping either, maybe I'm not far enough in my journey to "get it". Trying to put these mechanisms into words is really not easy; I'm getting to the point that I think they are supposed to be quite instinctive and basically *anything* we do to try to explain them is already overthinking it.

So the more techniques you use, the more they'll weight you down spiritually at some point, if you believe in such things. As for myself I believe that's its possible to just lay down, close your eyes and go, almost instantly and without thinking, but I'm still a long way from there. So I still need to trick myself.

@zentai

Oops, I meant amygdala CLICKING... 

I actually did get something out of it. When I read about it a year and a half ago, I was already experiencing almost hallucinatory visions during aneros sessions, and was in general getting a sort of drug-like experience out of the whole thing.  I posted about some of my strange visions at the time.  So I was quite ready for an esoteric meditation technique when I came across amygdala clicking.

What I got out of AC wasn't specific.  I just took the idea of thinking of something and thus provoking seemingly real sensations. Like closing your eyes and imagining a feather running over your body.  It would start off with my brain giving directives, and then my mind would sort of improvise.  The feather might turn into fingers, and then might morph into water, and so on.  It was orgasmic sometimes, but often just a strange sort of meditation that could be considered blissful. I don't really know what other's consider calm seas orgasms, but for me that is often what I felt: pure bliss with no reason to tense muscles or go physically towards the orgasm.

I am talking in the past tense because I haven't done it in a while, outside of aneros sessions.  Except when I am falling asleep.  In these moments, I have pretty wild hallucinations and feelings of euphoria if I close my eyes, clear my head and focus. And with my eyes closed, there is a strange canvas of real and imagined (electrical?) light filtering across my eyelids, which is a good abstract start to this sort of free meditation. It isn't far off from some of the sensations that certain hallucinogens provoke when I close my eyes (mushrooms, lsd, dmt).

I don't worry about my spirit being weighted down by too many techniques, but just because I don't have any interest in spirituality. In terms of laying down and "just going," I can tell you it is completely possible and it is like you said: tricking the mind. For me it is a sort of auto-hypnosis.  Real life sensations (aless techniques, exterior stimulation, toys) only accelerate things towards orgasm for me.  Perhaps you are closer than you think!  In the meantime, your technique sounds like a wonderful way to get there, and to many other magical places.  I will try it.

@divine_o

Wow that whole post is super interesting, I really don't get calm seas that often, but I think it's a great way to describe them. I think that maybe I'm doing some sort of AC with my technique, with all the abstract visualisation, but never connected the two, it's been a long while since I read about AC...

As for "just going" I think I'm close sometimes, but can't always do it reliably, and I'll need some light stimulant (caffeine or nicotine) or some mental help, mostly soft porn or erotic audios. My holy grail is instant Aless Super-O on demand, no help just me and my body, fully clothed. No logic to it, that's just my goal. I'm close enough to know it's possible, but still far enough that I'm not "that close". But I keep telling everyone here that they're closer to "something" than they think and I really believe it, so it has to apply to me as well. 

I'm probably screwing with myself with doubts and questions. Like what happens when (if) I reach that, is there a final destination to the journey or still more levels ? It's ridiculous but I'm worried about outgrowing the orgasms at some point, I don't really know how to explain this... closest I get is when you're really deeply enjoying a book and don't want to reach the end. I'm not certain I can just reread this one...

@zentai

I Have reached that point and it isn’t a final destination. It just one of many pleasurable things possible. Because it is possible for me doesn’t make it the only thing I do, or negate the rest. Sometimes it is fun to do, over and over, or once, or at different times throughout the day. Sitting, standing, in public, alone, with my partner... But also more protracted play creates other sensation. Longer build up is good, because though the orgasm is special, it is also the incidental culmination of many other interesting moments. Sugar is good but not many people binge eat sugar cubes (though I do with honey). They use it to complement other flavors.

There are so many variables to pleasure, and each one is a spectrum. Because everything we do lies on intersections of these spectrums, no one thing is better than the rest. Each thing is simply different. Successful sexuality lies in variety and invention, and there is no limit to the possible combinations and the amount of invention possible. 

@divine_o

I'm sure you're right, anyway there's no reason for me to stop anytime soon, so the same advice is good whether you're a beginner or more advanced, I guess I'll just relax and see where it goes ! Sometimes I'm not even sure I want to go any further, but I can't help myself and always go back to it. Talk about a strange and wonderful journey. 

Thanks for taking the time to answer this, it really helped. 

On a different note, boy do I like comb honey! Imagine the first hunter gatherer that got his hands on this stuff, that must have been a crazy experience for the whole village. Soon after they probably made the first mead by accident, what a trip ! 

@divine_o

That is a really good description you put together there. I've made the same experiences (for the most part) and found they echoed back in your words quite wonderfully.

Hello, that's a very interesting method, I have been doing anerosession for 2 years and a half so probably around 120 anerosessions. I tested several techniques, the only one where I got some kind of response was when I tried simple meditation but each time I felt my ego or something was blocking me from going further. In fact I sometime get small Alesses when asleep or half asleep (when my ego is asleep ?).

I already do what you say from part 1 to 5, so I will try in the next week yout method. I will keep you informed.

PS : I have a mind exactly like you described : unable to let go of it's control.

@kaly

I hope you succeed with this approach, I'll be very interested in reading more about your experience with it. Remember that's it's all about convincing yourself, even if it feels a little silly at the beginning. Good luck! 

@zentaiI am a newbie to Aneros, have only really engaged in anal toys for just over the last year.  My main goal originally was to have a hands free orgasm. Which still hasn't happeded, funs in the trying So I happened upon an Aneros, just over a week ago. Did some more reading. Gave it a shot, did some more reading ha! tried again. In a about 1/2 hr I started to have  involuntary hip convulsions which would ebb and flow, not wild convulsions, I could control them some what, then they would stop, and seem to build back up again. Through all this there was no overwhelming feeling, pleasure wise, just the convulsions.I bring them on now at almost anytime, just thinking about them. I  have been on this hands free juorney for quite sometime, and I do feel some what stuck. Even though I'm new to Aneros. Oh and has anybody else exp. this? Did I just have, a no feeling convulsive orgasm.ha!       

@tbob

Welcome to the forum!

That looks like good results for your first tries. Being able to re-create these convulsions almost at will is also a good sign. Movement without pleasure is quite normal in my experience as your body must learn how to interpret these strange new sensations and you might need several sessions for things to start feeling pleasurable. Maybe this was the beginning to something great, you'll have to keep practicing to find out. 

Give yourself some time with your new toy, the pleasure might be very faint at the beginning and will be more subtle than with "conventional" toys. Take care!