[Solved] Can you HFWO from Aneros or Aless?

Posted by: @helical

 Or maybe I should cheat by stroking strategically?

Well, that will work, but that's cheating. You'll know it doesn't really, really count, as it's just a variation of a ruined orgasm but with some extra steps. 

Posted by: @helical

Is it realistic to attain HFWO with any regularity, or even ever[...]

With any regularity, I'm not sure, you'd have to train yourself for it, and I don't know how you would do that exactly. Ejaculating A-less is very hard for me to do, but I did achieve it 100% handsfree (no touching my body at all) out of sheer stubbornness to see if it was actually doable. It's cool but mostly as a novelty. With a device, since you're already having great results, it will probably happen "by accident" at some point, or you can try shifting focus to your penis during a Super-O and mimicking the contractions you do when you ejaculate.

I think an erection is pretty much mandatory for this, separating orgasm and ejaculation is one thing, but ejaculation and erection are so tied to each other that I wouldn't know how to start separating them. Yes, you can come while soft, but I feel it would add a layer of difficulty that you simply don't want to mess with.  

Posted by: @helical

I’d love to reach hands free wet orgasm ...

Is it realistic to attain HFWO with any regularity, or even ever), through Aneros or Aless?

It is possible to attain HFWO's and some men just naturally have these types of Aneros enhanced ejaculatory orgasms but often to their own chagrin. Those types of orgasms usually invoke the dreaded refractory period, loss of arousal and subsequent cessation of possible multiple dry-O's. To them, this is a curse and there have been numerous threads discussing this problem (please see How to avoid ejaculation?,  How to avoid handsfree wet orgasms , Avoiding ejaculation during orgasm? , Hands free ejaculation being an obstacle & Cumming while lying face down).

While this might be something you'd like to experience, training yourself (rewiring) for this effect may be counterproductive. I've tried to have a HFWO myself but have never succeeded and I am glad that I did not train myself in that direction. There aren't many threads which discuss how to have HFWO's but here are a couple of threads you may wish to read -> Just can't achieve a "hands free" orgasm, Finally a hands-free orgasm! & Achieving hands-free ejaculation...continued. I think it is best to just let those HFWO's happen accidentally. Be careful of what you wish for...

Good Vibes to You!

@zentai @rumel - I am content to count me lucky stars.  I have learned in your answers through the experiences of others, that "all things that are done under the sun**" (or the Aneros supernova) may not be worth pursuing.  There's also the little matter from my main thread that I don't get hard with Aneros or Aless.  I will mark this thread solved, yet anyone who'd like to add their views to the pot are certainly welcome!  Thank you.

**; (some) "of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind."

Posted by: @helical

I’d love to reach hands free wet orgasm because Aneros and Aless stoke my fires achingly high.

Easy street! When things get good,pump the pc and sphincter in a 1-2 fashion. Push your hips up in a mini thrust with the sphincter contraction,pull them down on the pc contraction. You’ll soon pull it off. 😉

@helical

I did not use this forum during the rewiring process so I thought the whole point of hands free orgasms was in fact the ejaculation. I rewired myself to have hands free (nipple stimulation and a dildo) ejaculatory orgasms. Multiple orgasms came later and I now am rewiring to avoid ejaculation. I am pretty adept at it now and can move my orgasms around so I don't ejaculate. Every 7 - 10 days or so I end a session with an ejaculation, often if I am feeling continually horny and want some "peace" from it. There is definitely some part of our brain that yearns for ejaculation and tries to push us into it. It is a longing I am learning to ignore. As other wise souls on this forum council, beware what you wish for, they can be a pest!

@helghast That technique didn't do it, however, it made me hot as heck, so yeah!  It was interesting while I told myself yesterday would be a "no Aneros" break, I ran to my HST in heat!

While you're here, I'll mention I also appreciate elsewhere you'd called certain muscles "transverse", described their action as pressing in from the sides, and had outlined a technique for firing them.  I appreciate the nomenclature- give me handles for what I feel and activate with my hip abduction/adduction and medial rotation micro movements.

@helical practice makes perfect 😉

Posted by: @helghast

practice makes perfect

@helghast, But do you find the HFWO obtained in your technique to be satisfying, or is weak in terms of pleasure?

I may have answered my own question with your quote.  Sooner or later this die-hard doubter will come to understand elsewhere what you had said, that Super-O is just a difference of degree / they’re all Super-Os and @morexp ‘s A-less was always under par until it wasn’t.

@helical

HFWO orgasm is very satisfying. I’ve had a few from A-Less,they are way stronger than a ruined orgasm. Continuous manipulation of the pelvic floor keeps the orgasm going. Even better from pegging,or with an aneros toy stroking your gland. If it’s a goal to experience it,then go for it,why not? 

@helghast

do you have an erection when doing your pc and anal sphincter flexing ?

is this method of achieving a h f w o your own or did you learn from another source ?

Yes indeed, and It is <definitely> worth it. HFWO would happen for me after a long slow build of pleasure, with the sensation of auto-fucking increasing, with my helping the aneros to move out, and my body taking it back in, further and further with each stroke, with the tip creating focused pleasure against the prostate.

I got pretty good at it, and wondered why descriptions of the super-o seemed so different, with so many writing to keep the focus off the dick. Then, over time, I achieved the amazing super-o, and found out why. Holy shit!

Since then, the super-o's just kept getting better and better. I never cease to be amazed how after all these years, each time both with aneros and anerosless feels like a new and more amazing experience, like the Eupho does at this moment.

Now, I have not had much luck re-creating the HFWO of the past - the super o is just too distracting.

@smaster

Mostly,or if not,a diamond hard erection builds as the HFWO builds. Feels like it’s going to be burst during ejaculation.

@helghast

i am very lnterested in your method as i have been unable to have an ejaculatory orgasm for quite a while during solo or partnered sex [ no health,meds or erection problems ]

i am totally wired for aneros and a/less sessions and when i  tried your way i had non ejaculatory orgasms within a minute .......repeatedly.......i could not get into that delicious  zone where you know you are about to have a w/o.

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@smaster

Do you mean the the 1-2 pump method  I said to helical above? Or the little A-Less sequence post I made?

In any case,glad the fun was up in minutes. I worked hard to streamline my sessions simply because I’m too busy to devote hours to sessions. I liked to shoot in and out like seal team 6 for 20mins 😉

i am referring to your 1-2 pump method.

i learned to do this , but as i mentioned previously, almost immediately i am starting towards a very pleasurable  non ejaculatory orgasm.......my goal is to have a h f w o

which , for some reason, i have been unable to achieve for quite a while now during partnered or solo sex.

@smaster

I guess that’s some form of medical condition. Don’t know how much I could help with that. You can’t ejaculate during intercourse or from jacking off? At all?

Yes,I worked it out for myself while learning my A-Less trade. Along with some mini thrusts,the 1-2 pump is mimicking the ejaculatory reflex,if I wanted to HFWO I’d build arousal like in any session,but the contractions are harder. So instead of the the deft artistry of prostate manipulation,it’s kind of dropping the hammer somewhat.

@helghast

yes, not at all , for the past 6 weeks no w/o's .....no health or erection issues......no loss  of sexual interest...... still find wife attractive and desirable but cannot get in to the arousal/orgasmic area......it seems there is a loss of sensitivity in my penis ??

in my aneros/aless sessions i am a different person sexually.....my body is electric and highly aroused ready for unlimited orgasms almost immediately after starting.

after reading your last post i am now trying your way of pumping harder rather than soft [ could not stay in arousal long before tipping over into dry orgasm ].

when i do the anal sphincter pump along with hip thrust i get a very strong arousal response deep inside my whole genital area and to a lesser degree when changing to the pc part.

so far i have been able to get a good synched rhythm going without tipping over ...... it feels that i am doing this correctly.

how fast do you pump ?

do you have any problem with muscle fatigue ?

approx. how long does it take you to have your h f w o.

thx

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@smaster

Posted by: @smaster

yes, not at all , for the past 6 weeks no w/o's .....no health or erection issues......no loss  of sexual interest...... still find wife attractive and desirable but cannot get in to the arousal/orgasmic area......it seems there is a loss of sensitivity in my penis ??

I ain’t a dr mate. I just like getting off. Why you’ve just stopped ejaculating or become desensitised is a question for your dr.

Posted by: @smaster

when i do the anal sphincter pump along with hip thrust i get a very strong arousal response deep inside my whole genital area and to a lesser degree when changing to the pc part.

That sounds about right. 

Posted by: @smaster

how fast do you pump ?

I don’t know lol. About as fast as I thrust into the wife if she was leaning forward when on top?

Posted by: @smaster

do you have any problem with muscle fatigue ?

approx. how long does it take you to have your h f w o.

Not really,my floor is pretty strong from years of training and my Kegel work on top. Fatigue isn’t necessarily a bad thing either.

About 5-10 mins if I get my head down and put some work in. I could back off and hover around the ponr for a while too. But usually under 10 mins.

@helghast

thank you....appreciated your input.

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