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Helghast
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Hey gents. So,had a pretty great aless today. Usual start,p waves ramp up to orgasms,back and forth. So today I ‘sucked’ in. This is where I try to lift my entire pelvic floor a few millimetres but it’s feels like inches. I do this only lightly so I can remain in control of my contractions. Tricky lifting the floor while still manipulating separate points along the hammock. But as time goes by I’m getting better at it. While the floor is lifted the invol’s contract anus,perineum,and under the base of the penis. One after another and back again,I felt something big stirring I think. Then my penis became erect,when I say erect,I mean hardest it’s ever been,rigid like a piece of iron,not sure it was that hard even as kid. The whole thing was very pleasurable but as much as I could feel something big stirring,I couldn’t get there. I tried to relax and let it happen,it just hovered at a point and went no further. 


   
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I've had that experience where my dick is unbelievably stiff, like you I wonder if I ever was that erect even as a teenager, I guess not. It feels great, wish I had known about this sooner.

Hard to tell where you are, things seem to be always improving for you and you're experiencing new things, as long as you're making progress it's difficult to know if you can get to the level you want without changing anything. If you're already on the right trajectory, just having regular sessions will get you there eventually.

Clarification: if you're stuck, you're stuck, if you're moving, hard to know how fast you're going and how close you are to your destination, and once you get there that info is close to useless...

Don't know if you checked my "Something unexpected" thread, I posted a basic sketch of one way to visualize the balancing act required to reach the high levels, maybe you'll find some elements you can use? Take care!


   
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@zentai the very stiff penis was accompanied by a ramping up to a threshold. Beyond was something a lot bigger,I could feel it.  Just couldn’t get there,I tried to relax and even reminded my self to just let it happen,but to no avail. I’m not too frustrated,I still had like a million normal o’s lol. But something much  bigger was around the corner. Oh the joys lol

 


   
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@helghast yeah it gets intense, some of those plateaus are as good at the Super-O in my opinion, if you see it as the total pleasure experienced. They're not Super-Os, but wow they're still something, sometimes I'll just stay there and not even try for something bigger.

One thing I though about lately is that we probably all have different reactions and pleasure levels with traditional orgasms, maybe yours is greater than mine, so you having several "normal" o's in a row might be closer to the Super-Os pleadure-wise than another guy whose traditional orgasm don't hit as hard. Don't know if I'm making sense?

 


   
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@zentai Yea you make sense. One thing I know is that’ll I’ll keep banging on that door until it gives. 

 


   
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I may have said the opposite at some time, but for sure you can brute-force your way in. It worked for me and should work for others if their progress brings them to that particular option. I don't believe it's the right way and for me, doing it that way makes it impossible to reach what I think is the real prize, the very deep calm seas orgasms. For those, only deep relaxation with minimal arousal to balance it will get me there.

But with enough arousal you can break the dam, bypass some stuff and go for rough seas, I think it's really not something you should always do, but if you're near and relaxing does not work, go the opposite way. If it works, don't get addicted to that level of control, it could lock you out of the very good stuff and I'd feel pretty shitty for sending you there. At least when the door gives, keep that in mind. 

I'd *almost* classify the above as bad advice, but shying away from the truth is not much better, and I guess everyone is free to choose their path. I'd like some feedback on that, is that heretic stuff that can hinder people's progress? I'm seeing this trough the lense of my own experiences and could use some perspective for this one.


   
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@zentai I didn’t mean that way,keep banging on the door as in keep going,never give up. Although there is much truth to the brute force. I can orgasm without invol’s. I call it manual manipulation. From contraction and relaxing pc. Sometimes I’ll contract and then just let go of all muscle forces and the orgasm comes anyway. A huge help there was reverse kegels. They taught me how a relaxed pelvic floor feels. Plus reverse kegels can achieve orgasm in themselves. It’s all fun exploring the nooks and crannies.

 


   
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@helghast so more "rap rap rapin' on that door" until you find it unlocked, yeah that's the way.

You got it with your manual manipulation, at some point if you keep going with enough control, and don't "chicken out" when it gets pleasurable enough, something is bound to happen and you don't need involuntaries to step in. But it's not as much fun as when it takes you by surprise. Interesting you got experience with that, I don't find that's it that easy to do at all and would put it pretty much up there with achieving the Super-O with a toy. You really can't be very far, keeping in mind you're going at it Aless...

It's great that everyone's experience is so different, but it's also preventing the creation of a true, always works, follow the steps to success, universal recipe. So much trial and errors, at least it keeps it exciting! 

 


   
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