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Hey everyone,

I recently bought a lube applicator as I read up that these were suggested. It really turns me on the idea of filling up with lube for the Aneros to swim around in and I read it's critical for the the Aneros to be well lubricated

There are the ones i'm talking about:
https://www.amazon.com/Applicator-Rounded-Precision-Mess-Free-Reusable/dp/B07WZFGQH6

However, i'm not sure if i'm using too much? I filled up two full ones and injected both thinking I could just maximize the mobility. I think a lot started to leak out eventually, and wonder if it compromises the tab placement.

So, i'm curious - what are the downsides of using WAY too much lube?

Are there any upsides? Is it a matter of preference or function?

I find even with a ton of lube after about 45 minutes I feel the toy starting to grip inside of me, if that makes any sense and I wonder if it's because of too little lube or that I am getting closer to super O territory.

Thanks for your time - love to you all and hope you are staying safe during these tough times!


   
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I don't know how much each of them hold, but yeah 2 full ones seems like a lot. 

Downsides are pretty much wasting lube and making a mess. Too much water based lube with glycerin will definitely precipitate the need to use the bathroom if you're sensitive to this, while by using less you may be able to avoid it. 

Upsides to adding more, seems like a joke answer but if you were using too little and add more, I'll work better. No bonus after you get to "enough" which I think you just experienced. It's important in my opinion to dial in those things and keep experimenting, you won't know until you try. I don't find that using more than about 2cc for prelube does anything extra, and I won't prelube unless I'm using (and starting with) the Progasm. I used 4-5cc in the past and it was just too much, 2cc is the sweet spot for me.

Water base will always end up drying in my experience, I keep some on hand for convenience but it's not the superior choice. Some oil based options also tend to dry out, pure coconut oil for some reason gets less slippery after some time. What lube are you using ?


   
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I'm assuming you've read the Lubrication section of the Aneros WIKI.

Posted by: @mountain-below-the-sea

I'm not sure if i'm using too much? I filled up two full ones and injected both thinking I could just maximize the mobility. I think a lot started to leak out eventually, and wonder if it compromises the tab placement.

For newbie users, I always recommend using more lube than you think you need to assure that you don't create irritation of the delicate anal/rectal membranes. As you become more experienced you can cut down the amount of lube until you find a balance point between mobility, traction and comfortability. I don't worry too much about abutment tab slippage because I don't seem to have a specific perineal 'sweet spot' (please see @B Mayfield 's post In Search of the Sweet Spot), general pressure in the area works for me but for men who do have an identifiable 'sweet spot' keeping this area dry and free of lube may be important.

Posted by: @mountain-below-the-sea

So, i'm curious - what are the downsides of using WAY too much lube?

IMHO, the two biggest downsides of too much lube are leakage outside the body and lube migration up the colon. Leakage outside the body is not only messy, requiring additional cleanup duties, but may also interfere with the anchoring function of the P-tab arm. Lube migration up the colon may aid in triggering peristalsis (especially if using a lube containing glycerin), this will usually cut your session short with the 'urge to purge' syndrome.

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Are there any upsides? Is it a matter of preference or function?

IMHO, it is more a matter of preference, balancing mobility, traction and comfortability as I noted above.

Posted by: @mountain-below-the-sea

I find even with a ton of lube after about 45 minutes I feel the toy starting to grip inside of me, ... I wonder if it's because of too little lube or that I am getting closer to super O territory.

This effect may be a characteristic of the type of lube you are using. Water based lubes tend to be readily absorbed by the rectal membrane, thus losing their lubrication properties over time. Due to the extended time periods Aneros users employ their devices many users have adopted longer lasting lubes such as natural oils which are not so readily absorbed.

You may find the following threads informative about some of the many lube alternatives available to you -> the Bestlube..., Need Help with lube choice, coconut oil, Coconut Oil and Unrefined shea butter...

Good Vibes to You!


   
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I avoid glycerin for all of my lubes, but use three different kinds: one water-based gel for the Aneros, one water-based liquid for anal insertion via syringe, and a water-based liquid for anal insertion via syringe that is a water/silicone blend. Lemme break it down below:

In order to lube up the Aneros for rectal insertion, I apply a quarter size amount of Slippery Stuff Gel Lube to just the head of my device. This water based gel is pretty good for making sure that insertion goes smoothly.

For internal lubrication where the prostate is, I use either one of two: GUN OIL H2O in the big bottle has a wide enough neck to where I can put in a lube syringe in. I'll fill that syringe/applicator up 80% of the way and then fill my butt up with that.

Alternatively, I've found AMAZING results in using Wet Premium Water-Based Liquid Lube instead of the GUN OIL and filling up my syringe only to about 50%~60% of the way, but there's a huge catch: despite the name, this lube is a water/silicone blend. It works fantastic for me, as I have my sessions naked on a yoga mat on my floor. If I was on my bed, or wearing underwear/clothes, or the like then this lube option could be very dangerous for silicone-related lube accidents to happen. Also I'll strongly preface that I only have solid, plastic Aneros models and not any Syn model -- never ever use silicone lube with a silicone toy.


   
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I find that I leak out and it coats the P-tab which affects mobility.  Of course this was also at the start of practicing and I probably didn't know as well how to loosen up/relax as well either, but my abiding memory is the sensation of the P-tab stroking my perineum as the only movement.  I even created a poll about this some months back.  I'm working on cutting back on lube and actually do a lot of cleaning the area after insertion so that the P-tab stays dry.  I've often wondered if the P-tab should have tread on it like a tire--as it is right now it's a bit like a racing slick!  That said I do agree that for novices there can't be such a thing as too much lube so you're getting some good advice there. 


   
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@faith-manages 

For more grip, be on the lookout for something to slip over the tab. A medicine dropper rubber bulb is the traditional choice, but I like silicon finger protectors a lot more. Some have texture and if you shop around you'll find something you like. The ones I have do not seem to be affected by silicon lube at all. They make a pretty big difference in my case, could be the ticket for you too.

 


   
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nice gear, @zentai

when the tab is wet, I place my finger between the tab and the perineum. Thus I can add pressure to my perineum in a way that the toy alone can’t. And at the same time, the tab dances on my fingernail, which has become the new fulcrum. This creates lots of erratic movement, while bringing the toy out ever so slightly. Basically a lot of micro changes, which bring on a lot of macro-gasms.

Two syringes is definitely too much. I used to do 3/4 syringe of water based lube, but that is imprecise because I don’t know my syringe size or yours. Now I just cover the toy in a layer of lube and put it in. No more discomfort  from excess glycerin water based lubes. No more lube inserstion fails (boo). No more leaking. Just enough for my 30-60 minute sessions. 


   
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@divine_o 

Hehe, not my actual hand, yanked the picture from El Googel for illustration purposes.  

That fingernail trick is something I'll have to try, I have some variation of it with various simple attachments I made, but the added perineum pressure and tiny contact surface for the tab, just by using a finger, that's just a damn good idea.

Depending on how fast my body absorbs the lube (water based), 60 minutes is right at the upper limit for me without re-lubing. Once I get to the super-o, a little lack of lube won't stop things from happening unless it really dried out, but taking a break during a session to re-lube, switch toys or get a drink of water is something that doesn't have to stop a session, so I prefer to do that instead of pulling out a dry toy later (not much fun).

For longer sessions I'd say one of the DIY lube recipes is the way to go, I use coconut oil and beeswax and it's fantastic, better than the oil alone in my opinion, also cheaper than store bought lube and I know exactly what's in there. The links provided by rumel have all the recipes anyone would need to experiment making their own. Natural jelly and it's variations are basically the answer to most lube problems...

 


   
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@poseidon I did a lot of mixing and matching when I started, mostly water based (Astroglide gel) for prelube and petroleum jelly on the toy, but I found it really made a mess and petroleum, well I don't think it's the best thing to put inside your body long term. But it worked great for what it is. I then switched to silicon on the toy but had similar worries about the long term effects so went away from that also, but it does work very well and is a great combo. Probably safe but I worry a lot about stuff and worries and super-os don't mix...

What very dangerous things do you see happening  with silicon? Slipping on it is the main one, I won't relate the whole thing but I seriously almost killed myself stepping barefoot on a tiny drop, slipped like ice on ice, I went down quick and my head came close to hitting something HARD (a kettlebell, don't ask...) so yeah, always work over a towel and clean ANY spillage immediately. I know it's written on the bottle, it's not a joke.

 


   
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@divine_o and @Zentai you've both given me something to think about, thanks! 

 


   
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Thanks everyone for the responses!

@zentai I am using "Just Glide anal lubricant". I did a quick search and found out, IT HAS GLYCERIN! OMG. I learn so much from this community I love it haha. I definitely felt the need to pee a lot more since using the injector and using a lot more lube. I was like "weird maybe I didn't empty my bladder enough?" But it kept happening. God what a relief to know this now!

Can someone recommend a good lubricant that you could find on say amazon.de for example? I am a bit worried about just buying one of the oils you recommended as i'm worried I will mess this up again 🙁 I want to buy new lube asap to try for my next session. I was wondering with these other lubricants, you can still use an injector for them right?


   
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@mountain-below-the-sea

In my experience the "urge to purge" feels like your body needs to get that lube out as soon as possible, it's a sudden need to have a bowel movement... I don't think there's a link with urinating but maybe your mind is getting mixed signals about this. My guess is that *maybe* you weren't using enough lube before, now you have more mobility, so more movement against the prostate, so the need the pee. That would make sense, and the best part is that your test with 2 full syringes really got you some useful data. Now you just have to adjust the quantity, but you do know you were a little short. My theory anyway.

If your applicator has a rubber part on the piston, some oils will make it swell and stick and become useless, otherwise it's going to be fine. If you have a 2-pack, you can use one for such tests and keep the other as backup.

I wouldn't over-complicate this, 2ml of coconut oil for pre-lube and your water-based lube on the toy will probably work very well. Just don't double-dip in your oil, a small jar will last like a year. Put a spoonful in a container, warm it so it's liquid (more or less body temperature), use what you need, trash the rest. Keeps everything sanitary. And hey, warm lube is like a spa experience. 

Only problems is staining but a towel under you will take care of that. Anyway with 2ml I don't think you'll have trouble there. 

If you prefer to order something, hybrid lubes (water+silicon) are pretty good, check the suggestions from @poseidon.  But in my opinion, DIY is the answer and is the way to go for economy and performance. Hope this helps! 

 

 


   
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I see, thanks mate! So it actually didn't have to do much with the need to pee, interesting. I must have COMPLETELY missed his post, thanks for linking back to it. I will avoid silicon because im pretty sure this is not a good idea with the Helix SYN. Great point on useful data and I will give the coconut oil a shot!


   
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@mountain-below-the-sea

Happy to help. I'd go so far as to say that almost all store bought lube is subpar, either because it's expensive or contains some suspicious ingredients, or just smell weird. Some K-Y once in a while is no big deal but finding a do-it-yourself formulation that's just right for you is much better. No commercial lube can beat my coco-beeswax combo, and I know it won't give me problems down the road. 

 

 


   
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Gave up on lube for the most part. Too messy. Hard to clean up.


   
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I find just coating the toy with a generous amount of Sliquid Silk lube is just right, long lasting and not at all messy. I also find best results using a plain water bulb enema prior to my sessions gives me a clean, slick experience, highly recommended!


   
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Posted by: @newjoytoy

Gave up on lube for the most part. Too messy. Hard to clean up.

Oh dude that sounds kinda painful, I hope you mean giving up on squirting lube internally. Not even some KY on the Aneros before insertion?

 


   
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