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Hi, everyone!

28 year old male, just got my first Helix Syn. I've had two sessions so far. Not had anything big happen, but I know it can take a long time. I do 60-90 minute sessions, always ending with ejaculation. The insertion is very uncomplicated. It slips in easily and I don't feel any discomfort or anything. I understand it can take some time getting used to feeling it in there. Right now I don't feel too much, but there are periods where the contractions are doing something down there. I try to relax and not push the issue, but keep doing the same thing. I've read the wiki and lots of threads in here and I try different methods for contractions and breathing, feeling it out. So far, I've noticed most during 5-15 second contractions half an hour or so into the session.


When masturbating normally, I often do it for 30-60 minutes to increase the power of it. I noticed when masturbating after a session, that the orgasm feels stronger than if I'd just masturbated for two minutes.


Question: When getting aroused I like to use just audio of women moaning. I'm trying to wean myself off too much visual porn and just the audio is really good, closing my eyes and creating images or fantasies myself. I've always been focused on audio when watching porn. Girls that scream are not what I've used, always the more realistic sounding deep moans and quick breaths. Anyways, I wonder if keeping the audio on throughout the session can be distracting from the sensations and feelings. If I turn if off and focus on the breathing, contractions etc., I still feel aroused, but my penis goes limp and the entire dowstairs area feels less responsive. If I turn the audio back on, it erects again and the penis/prostate region feels more sensitive and reactive. Any suggestions and thoughts on this?


I noticed some years ago that when I jerk off, I've developed a habit of contracting/tightening of the entire area down there. I randomly realized this when I tried one time to really relax and see how long I could go. What I've been doing for a very long time is I'm jerking off and contracting, letting go of the contractions and ease on the strokes, then contract again and stroke harder. I've used this to masturbate for hours, keeping myself near climax. I contract and stroke until the tipping point, then stop the strokes and let the contractions go, and varying the interval of both strokes and contractions. If I don't contract, it takes a lot longer to reach the tipping point. This is very effective because I can quickly reach the tipping point, and quickly drop back down when I relax.


Could it be that I'm putting pressure on the prostate when doing this or is it just the penis getting harder? It feels like it's things happening in the prostate or base of the penis area, moreso than the penis itself. When I contract like this, it feels like the muscles around the area where the prostate is, is tightening together and squeezing in towards it. Lower muscles squeezing up towards the base/prostate, upper muscles squeezing down, if that makes any sense. If this is related to the prostate, is this something I can use or learn from when learning no hands prostate stimulation? Of course, this has always been in relation with masturbation, and prostate orgasms is an entirely different thing. I've noticed in the first sessions that my mind is very focused on the penis and I have to consentrate to move it down to the anus/prostate area.


I've been a bit confused by this. They say that to last longer, you can contract the PC muscle. But when I contract this...whatever muscle it is, I'm going faster. It might be that this is not the PC muscle that I'm using.


Edit: I'll leave some links here to threads that helped me, for easy access if others read this.


The truth behind how to "rewire"
Penis, NOT!
Whole Body/Whole Mind -- the mental side


   
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@Aeoris --- You have done your homework! I would like to respond in more detail, but my time is limited at the moment.

I will suggest that you view your rewiring journey as a change of focus from your penis to your Prostate.

Of course you can jerk off once in a while!

However, the tremendous amount of pleasure you hear described here is most often achieved through significantly reducing the focus on a traditional orgasm for the Prostate stimulation and orgasms.

You are learning a new way to orgasm and all the attention you can give it will pay off! It's like any learned skill that requires practice! You will want to adapt to new ways feeling pleasure, and to accept that pleasure, over the ejaculatory orgasm we all learned as teens.

I hope that makes sense!

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Thank you!

One more question. I've read in various threads that it's not a problem to end a session with the traditional penis ejaculation, but will doing this affect the results or progress of what I'm really aiming towards? Is it unfortunate to do it this early on?


   
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Here's something to keep in mind...

You're not going to lose the ability to have a traditional orgasm if you do stop, or significantly reduce, ejaculating for a while!

What will happen is your focus will likely change so you are more aware of the subtle sensations in your Prostate and around the aneros. That's what you are after!

If you continue to ejaculate at the end of your aneros session, THAT is what your body and mind will get used to doing! It won't harm you, but it will become your new FOCUS, rather that just your prostate as I am suggesting you consider.

The thread titled "The truth behind how to "rewire" is an excellent description of what can happen in order to become aware of the sensations that are possible with your prostate and with patience and focus! He totally nails it when he says that our bodies already know how to have tremendous Prostate centered orgasms...if we take the time to get out of the way and change our minds eye toward a different result.

Yes, the Prostate orgasm is such an amazing experience, you will never regret taking the time and having the patience to learn how to have them! For example, this mornings session continues to give me pleasureable sensations even after arriving at work! Not out of control, but just pleasantly there with just a little mental attention! So nice!

I hope that answers your question!

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It does, and that's what I've been thinking myself. During the second session I kept thinking about reaching the end so I could get off, and it took away focus from the task at hand.

I don't worry that the penile orgasm will disappear, but more that it takes too much attention and focus in a situation where you want to direct your attention elsewhere. The longest I've gone is 2-4 weeks without masturbating.

I will try not to ejaculate after a session, but rather focus on what I'm doing and enjoying that. And it is enjoyable, even if I'm very new to this so far. I've always liked to lie down and just relax, maybe with some calm music playing. I might have dozed off a little in the middle today's session. At least I was relaxed. 😛

I've read suggestions on using music or other sensual audible impressions, and I like that thought. I really enjoyed just using the moans from females today, not having to keep my eyes open. There are some noises in and around my apartment that can steal some attention. Having it completely quite can sometimes be more disturbing than having some kind of audio on. I'm a big music lover and use music quite a lot for various feelings and situations. After I masturbate, I get an urge to listen to music. Audio could steal attention, but also help relax. Maybe not by putting on Meshugga, but some ambient, sensual audio.

Is there potentially much to gain from abstaining from the penis altogether, or will ejaculations on other days not related to the Aneros sessions work just as well? Maybe cut it down to once a week or every second, if I really get the urge. Still not linked to Aneros sessions.

I actually had that thread open in a tab and was just about to read it. That's the interesting part, and probably the challenging one, when it comes to prostate orgasms. The Aneros itself and contractions are physical things, objects moving, touching parts of your body. That is in some ways not too different from penile stimulation, although it doesn't work the same way. People are having orgasms even without the Aneros or any kind of toy, and the mind is doing the important job. And as far as I understand, it's often the oppsite, or at least very different from the usual penile stimulation, where more is better and you increase the intensity as you reach orgasm. Maybe those with a lot of experience can push it a bit more, but you're not chasing it in the same way. Rather sustaining it, letting it build up chain reactions that will lead to something.

What fascinates me about the concept of prostate orgasms is the mind, the body, the feelings and sensations and how you have to learn to find them. Which also brings in a big problem for many, that it's difficult. Stimulating a penis is easy. Making your brain shift focus and get down on a deep level of sensations and consciousness, not so much. I've wondered sometimes why the prostate orgasm isn't more talked about, but now that I started reading about it, I see a lot of reasons that can throw people off. If they even get past the tabu of putting something in the ass. People on this forum has been using these toys for months and years without significant results. It definitely takes patience if you're not lucky and get going right off the bat. And it's not something you force by trying hard. It's rather the opposite, letting your body relax and feel what is going on. In a lot of situations in life, you get what you want by putting in some effort in some way or the other. You have to put in an effort for the prostate orgasms too, but in a different way, by doing nothing, or very little.

I'm an introvert and live very much in my own head. Reflecting, thinking about anything. It's difficult at times to shut off the brain, it often wants to think about everything. When learning to rewire, or maybe to discover the sensations and feelings that are already there, I understand shutting out everything else and focusing on the right things is important. Thinking about an assignment you got the next day is not helping. I like the thought of what Neros wrote in that thread, that we all got them, but just isn't aware of them, even if some struggle finding them and never reach the Super O's. I've read some of B's threads, and funnily enough, I read about how you could feel these small sensations when stretching or yawning, just as I did both stretch and yawn. I feel like I understand more and more the more I read, so I'll definitely spend time reading in here. Picking up suggestions, tips and hints.

I've always envied girls with their series orgasms, keeping it going for hours (those that can). That's what made me interested in the subject. Even if I won't achieve the Super O's, smaller orgasms lasting longer sounds amazing. With the ordinary penile stimulation, the orgasm last 3-5 seconds and you're done.


   
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You seem to have a healthy approach to this new adventure and it is clear you have done your research. I think most experienced users would agree that you should try to advoid penile orgasms for a while, or at least following a session. Evidence suggests this can confuse or at least delay the rewiring you seek.

You have thought this through, but try to be careful of not over-thinking. The key is to relax. Running a continuous analysis during a session causes too much mental noise. Let it go if you can. It's not easy. When you are able to shut out the noise, remember that the technique (meditation) can be used to moderate and deal with other day-to-day issues without using the Aneros.

I have found visual stimuli to be distracting as you have. I tend to believe porn is counter-productive. However, being aroused is very helpful. I also have used female orgasmic soundtracks with good results. And, it does help to drown out the ambient distractions.

You have a great mindset and a good start for an exciting journey. Have fun!

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I'm still relatively new to this, so I don't want to be the blind leading the blind, but I just want to mention that you don't need to have an erection during your sessions. If you do get one, don't worry about it either. You can use whatever you need to get yourself aroused and begin your session, but it may become distracting during the session. I happen to be the same age as you, also an introvert, and like to analyze things. It's hard, but helpful if you can be truly relaxed. When you think you're relaxed, relax some more 🙂 I ended up using a hypnosis audio clip that was mentioned on here to teach myself to become relaxed.


   
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You have thought this through, but try to be careful of not over-thinking. The key is to relax. Running a continuous analysis during a session causes too much mental noise. Let it go if you can. It's not easy. When you are able to shut out the noise, remember that the technique (meditation) can be used to moderate and deal with other day-to-day issues without using the Aneros.

Yeah, I will. It's something I know I do, thinking a lot and being a perfectionist. I've learned a lot about myself in recent years, how I function.

Relaxing the mind will probably the most difficult part. Can always get more relaxed physically, but random thoughts popping in my head is a bigger problem. I've always had lots of thoughts swirling around, sometimes making it difficult to sleep. I'm aware that progress on the orgasms can be halted by having lots going on in life, but I'll try just relaxing and clearing my head more, not in sessions, just randomly in the day, like Neros suggested in that thread.

I had a relaxation session today and notice how many distractions there can be. I'm relaxed, the body feels heavy and calm, and during the session my mind is randomly touching on: singing the lyrics to a song in my head, thinking about school assignments, thinking about a girl, what I'm having for dinner etc. It's not something I try, I focus on what I should, but it's not easy telling the mind what to do. I'm interested in seeing how this will progress, and I like these sessions. They can be done anytime and they don't have any pressure or expectations of orgasms. Just enjoying the small sensations, which I do get. Some small twitches, some tinglings that start in the anus/rectum area and jolt out to the entire body. Nothing big or long, just small ones, but they do feel good. And it feels good just relaxing.

It might take some of the thoughts away if I don't try to build orgasms with the Aneros, but focus on relaxing body and mind and listening to the body. Even if my mind is busy during the day, I think it can be useful just as an exercise to relax and let go of any worries or things that occupy you. Sort of a meditation. Not that I'll stop the Aneros sessions, but I think these will work well as a supplement. Even unrelated to the orgasms, just relaxing feels good.

iobkh: Thanks! Yeah, I understand that this is not a vital point. If anything, it might take focus away. Being hard usually means I'm more aroused, but I see that it's not a requirement. And at this point I'm more looking for feelings and sensations. I think I'll try using the female audio in sessions, but not all the time. Turn it on for a few minutes now and then.


   
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