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I tried the progasm again last night and had an orgasm with absolutely no pleasure, zero. I've had this twice before when I was first learning and they are weird. I can feel my prostate going into spasm and it feels strong and keeps going but not the slightest sensation of any pleasure, in fact I could feel it spreading to my abdomen and all the feelings of orgasm but no sensation, just spasm.This time I grabbed my penis and started masturbating to try to get something happening but that didn't work.

Has anyone else had this and if so any idea how to get some pleasure going because it feels like such a waste of an orgasm!! (just in case it happens again)


   
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Do you mean orgasm or ejaculation?


   
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I've had this before too but it was ejaculation not Prostate orgasm. I shoot seemen but no pleasure at all, too much pressure on the Prostate stops the spasms from activating the nerve endings properly, I was forcing it. Or so I'm guessing. Funnily when this used to happen it was when I was using a larger aneros device, like the progasm. It's this reason why I do no like larger devices, I've had miles better success with smaller devices.

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@theplaything - dry orgasm, no ejaculation. Lasted quite a while.

@Sorena_ interesting you had something similar. I haven't used any device for ages and thought I would give it a go again last night, and got one of these weird orgasms. Haven't had any success with the progasm since my first few weeks. Very tempted to get another smaller device and try that. Is the Helix syn any good?


   
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@theplaything - dry orgasm, no ejaculation. Lasted quite a while.

@Sorena_ interesting you had something similar. I haven't used any device for ages and thought I would give it a go again last night, and got one of these weird orgasms. Haven't had any success with the progasm since my first few weeks. Very tempted to get another smaller device and try that. Is the Helix syn any good?

I find the helix quite a big device too, my body is on the small side and it seems to respond better to lots of movement in there and for that to work i need the smaller devices, like eupho, well thinner anyways.

The feeling of fullness is a deception for me too, it feels like it will be better because of the 'fullness feeling' you get with larger devices what it does is actually numb the nerve endings and possibly overstimulate them? not sure, but I've never had an orgasm of any kind from a larger device. What i do find is that if i use a large device a few hours post session i find i get really good aneros less awakening, like it kick starts the prostate well.

what was the device that gave you your super that time?


   
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@Sorena_ it was my progasm and had a run of super-O after super-O when I first started, since then absolutely nothing when I have used it and always done A-Less. I feel like I could be missing out and keen to try using a device again. My body is also on the small side.

Might take a look at the eupho, thanks.


   
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@Sorena_ it was my progasm and had a run of super-O after super-O when I first started, since then absolutely nothing when I have used it and always done A-Less. I feel like I could be missing out and keen to try using a device again. My body is also on the small side.

Might take a look at the eupho, thanks.

Like you said in a different thread perhaps what once worked in one session won't work in another, this might go for devices too. I find there are times when the peredise is better than any device and other times they're useless and the only thing that works is the SGX. I have even had success with the Helix at times, even though its too big, but mostly it doesn't work.

This wild variation in both device and technique is exhausting right? its why i keep feeling were still 'learning the ropes', were on the path to being rewired and its constantly evolving. The thing you and I are searching for is: 'consistency'


   
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Just had a fantastic A-less orgasm, relieved I haven't lost it.

I'm not sure consistency is very easy to achieve. I take what people say on here with a pinch of salt and I suspect poor consistency is more the norm, with a just a lucky few who can do it when they want (and are more likely to post about it).

I'm learning Buddhist meditation and the similarities are huge. A few days ago I experienced some interesting and very pleasant phenomenon in meditation and thought I had cracked it and was on my way to jhana, the expectation of that happening again killed my concentration and I was back to hardly being able to do basic breathing. This is apparently very common. The advice in meditation is just the same, accept where you are and let it happen in its own time.

I'm pleased with every good orgasm, and accept every failure with good grace, and certainly don't let it get to me emotionally any more. This teaches us some amazing life lessons and has led me down a very interesting path. Excuse me getting all philosophical and spiritual again.

Thanks for the advice on devices @Sorena_


   
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Just had a fantastic A-less orgasm, relieved I haven't lost it.

I'm not sure consistency is very easy to achieve. I take what people say on here with a pinch of salt and I suspect poor consistency is more the norm, with a just a lucky few who can do it when they want (and are more likely to post about it).

I'm learning Buddhist meditation and the similarities are huge. A few days ago I experienced some interesting and very pleasant phenomenon in meditation and thought I had cracked it and was on my way to jhana, the expectation of that happening again killed my concentration and I was back to hardly being able to do basic breathing. This is apparently very common. The advice in meditation is just the same, accept where you are and let it happen in its own time.

I'm pleased with every good orgasm, and accept every failure with good grace, and certainly don't let it get to me emotionally any more. This teaches us some amazing life lessons and has led me down a very interesting path. Excuse me getting all philosophical and spiritual again.

Thanks for the advice on devices @Sorena_

Good to hear, it also seems to ring true of your body as well that post-session with a larger device you are experiencing an aneros-less orgasm which is exactly what happens to me.

I think, i could be wrong, but this is what might be happening:

- You have a session with a larger device which stimulates the nerves and gets the muscles twitching
- It eventually causes an overstimulation, you might be orgasming but you can't 'feel' it
- A few hours later post-session the nerve endings become sensitive/responsive again and the twitching/sitting/certain positions then activate the a-less feelings (and with mental focus you can achieve higher orgasmic response)

Its only a theory, but i feel its what happens to me. If i use a smaller device i find i can achieve the awesome feelings without overstimulation, but not always. You and I appear to be very sensitive, physically.

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for me, if i start getting responses without pleasure, it often signals that i am not fully relaxing everything down there, and that i am forcing things.

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I have clamping in my perineum almost every session without any pleasure. It feels like what would happen with an orgasm, but there is no pleasure at all. For whatever reason, lately when using the aneros I'm having trouble relaxing and I'm really attacking the pleasure. I may drop the aneros for awhile, because it could be overstimulating things and not letting the pleasure build up slowly. This is also the longest I've gone without ejaculation in quite sometime. I think I'm at 6 days. Last night while using the helix, at the end when I was getting nowhere, decided to play with my cock a bit. I shot out a pretty large amount without even having an orgasm. So another problem is I may be too much on edge when I don't ejaculate as often which in turn triggers my penis driven response.

I'm going to hold off ejaculating for a few more days, just to see if I can push through this. However, I am going to drop the Aneros for now and see if that resolves anything. My super o only took 10 minutes of trying so, although pleasurable, I think I'm wasting my time with these 3-4 hour sessions. If it isn't going to happen in the first hour, then I don't think it is likely to happen after that.


   
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@orgasmo 3-4 hours does sound a bit extreme if nothing is happening. Good luck with the no ejaculation thing, I know a lot of people rate it. I can't say it's made any difference to me, so if I'm having a dud session I now end with a normal orgasm with ejaculation, which is always way more powerful then normal after lots of prostate stimulation, at least I don't feel frustrated after, and I can sleep.

Strangely I have had a great day today orgasmed easily each time I have tried, which has wasted far too much of my time but it's fun. It's definitely the Sunday effect: 2 days away from work and no problems!


   
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@smudgefish Well, its very pleasurable and I can usually have some dry orgasms during that time, just no out of this world experience. Yeah not sure if no fap is beneficial. I can see how it would be beneficial not to do it a few hours before a session, but really doubt it is beneficial past a day or 2.

I'm gonna try to go to bed early and have an a-less session. If it goes nowhere I may go ahead and knock one out. I really haven't been very horny the past week or so for some reason, but I guess I've gone through those phases in the past without realizing it. Full moon is coming up at the end of the month and usually the week leading up to that I get very horny.


   
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I use to have this. It was when my body was in the mood but my mind wasn't — so the muscles would go through the usual dance to no pleasure.You may be going through a dry-spot at the moment, which should pass sooner or later.
Otherwise, try keeping all the muscles relaxed and using your mind to generate excitement, and practice generating excitement beyond your mind's drop-off point.


   
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I'm not sure what's happening. I have been able to orgasm at the drop of a hat for the last 2 days. Just had a super-O sitting at work just by concentrating which was interesting, luck I didn't get interrupted!

Had a seriously relaxing day on Saturday, felt very anxious yesterday for no reason, even worse this morning, now after the super-O I couldn't care about anything again and feel totally relaxed and happy. Weird.

Either I'm suddenly re-wired or I'm going to get a serious dry patch in the next day or two. Hope it's the first option but doubt it.


   
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Like I said in your other thread, your in the zone, enjoy it while it lasts.


   
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You're making me jealous 🙂 I read through the Crimsonwolf Methold post last night and tried to apply it to an a-less session before bed. I fell asleep after like 15 minutes lol so obviously my session went nowhere except to a very relaxed state. I do think his post makes a lot of sense and I'm going to try to keep applying a little more of his methods each time. I like the concept of being an observer and letting you body do it's thing without interference. The super o I had, I felt like I applied this technique expertly, but not so much since then. It's like playing in the pros for one game and being mvp, then after that you can't even do the most basic things right.


   
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Jealousy is bad and will only lead to negative results, i know from my perspective it can accelerate poor or negative sessions and the sort of mentality of 'they are ahead of me'.


   
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I know, I kind of said that tongue in check. I'm just in what I would call a dry spell. Still having good feelings, but feel like I'm not even getting close to a super o. I really do enjoy reading about others success with super o's and their experiences, especially after they had dry spells or struggled to reach a super o. Sexually, I've felt dead for the last week. I may try to jump start things with a wet orgasm. It could be because I've been eating pretty unhealthy since I had my veritgo and just don't feel very sexual after eating heavy meals. Especially last night, after I ate a big Chipotle burrito with chips and cheese dip. I felt like I could have fallen asleep right after I ate that, and did as soon as I started an a-less session before bed. Started back on my diet today so hopefully things liven up a bit with the flood of extra nutrients and a reduction in the energy my body spends digesting those heavy foods I've been eating.


   
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I know orgazmo, though sadly i do get that way myself and do try to take it tongue in cheek, which i was was easy to do all the time. I have to say for this reason its hard to read others success at times, it reminds you of your lack of it and does nothing for motivation.

I know this all about being in the 'zone'. My recent run of awesome orgasms came from having a superb ejaculatory orgasm recently, it lasts about a week and i can orgasm if a gust of wind hits me. Its that easy. Then it goes away for ages.

I tried smudgefishes technique of massaging the perineum recently however this got my prostate going again for a short while


   
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I may give that perineum massage a try again since I want to have a wet o anyways. Maybe it leads to something dry this time. When I first started back using the aneros, I did it for a few sessions in a row and it always ended in a wet o without ever touching my dick. That's why I've avoid it ever since then.

If I ever get to the point of having an orgasm from a wind gust, I may just live outside in a hammick for a week. 😀


   
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Don't be jealous. It's the first time it's happened to me, I seriously doubt I am rewired, more likely just having a good run. I will be posting about how I can't orgasm again next week. It's all so unpredictable.

I don't think I am very much ahead of anyone we have all had our good patches. We are all in it together.


   
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I'm only a slightly ;)) i think because I've had one Super recently i feel it less. Anyway, the nature of rewiring doesn't just mean how intense your Super O is it's more about frequency and ability to get into that 'zone' more easily and more often.

Remember: there are no unsuccessful sessions, you learn with each one and your doing a nice healthy act for your prostate, even if you feel no pleasure.

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I think I'm already feeling the effects of this diet only a few hours in. I ate some flax seeds with oatmeal for breakfast, and lets just say there is no need for prep work right now. :-))

My grandfather had prostate cancer (not the metastasizing kind) so even if I don't have a super o every time, it's always good to know this a great way to keep it healthy


   
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@Sorena_ I agree, although with experience the super-Os can get better I hope. I still haven't got back to the level I had in my first week but I'm working on it each time I am treated to one. I want to have one in my head again! sure it will happen again one day. And I want to feel the all over fuzzy continuous super-O again: that was an experience.

I tried moving some energy up my spine today and started to get a bit of a head rush, but I suppose being at work didn't really help - I was having to constantly watch the door in case it opened! Why have my best ones recently been at work or in the car? not fair.


   
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Why have my best ones recently been at work or in the car? not fair.

The thrill of doing something naughty and the fact you are getting off in public? Probably goes inline with why people like having sex in public. For the thrill. Also, it could be because you may not be forcing it as much in those situations and are just letting the feelings come.

When you try to move energy up your spine, do you do it slowly? I've tried this but it's like it is uncontrollable and it shoots from my tailbone up to my head in a blink of an eye. Any tips on slowing this down and managing it better?


   
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Why have my best ones recently been at work or in the car? not fair.

The thrill of doing something naughty and the fact you are getting off in public? Probably goes inline with why people like having sex in public. For the thrill. Also, it could be because you may not be forcing it as much in those situations and are just letting the feelings come.

When you try to move energy up your spine, do you do it slowly? I've tried this but it's like it is uncontrollable and it shoots from my tailbone up to my head in a blink of an eye. Any tips on slowing this down and managing it better?

Could be a thrill I suppose. And it is a bit more of a just try it and see sort of situation.

Not really very experienced moving energies around so I'm no expert on that. Sounds like you are doing it better than I am I don't find it very easy. When I had my head orgasm before I actually moved it up into my abdomen, then my chest and then into my head. That really was something quite spectacular I wish I could do it again - almost spiritual.


   
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I don't think I'm moving energy well at all. It feels like it goes from my tailbone to my head with nothing in between. Like it's skipping all my other chakras. I don't get any pleasure from it either really. When I had my super o, the energy went from my pelvic area into my abdomen until the orgasm just washed over me.


   
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I'm definitely having trouble moving the orgasm around. It's strange because in the past it has seemed easy but I just can't do it now. I'm sure any minute now it will just click and I will be able to do it again and like most things the harder you try the less likely it is to happen and then bang, all of a sudden you can do it.

I remember having an orgasm in my right leg once it sort of just went there of its own accord, and then making myself have an arm orgasm just for fun. I had one in my mouth once. Wacky stuff. Can't do it now though.


   
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@smudgefish a couple of months ago, I had this happen 3 or 4 times during sex with the wife. I would ejaculate and have no feeling at all. Then all of a sudden that went away and now something different has happened, I will have a normal orgasm, then a couple of second after have a second more intense one that literally goes up my spine. I have no idea where all of this is coming from.


   
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