Missing the final trigger

Hi there,

I received a PM: "Do the female orgasm recording work? Where do you get them?" which I prefer to answer here.

Yes, they work well for me.

I either like short ones from orgasmsoundlibrary.com of which I downloaded some good ones on a MP3-plyer or the longer recordings from  soundsofpleasure.tumblr.com. Also a search on youtube with the keywords "moaning" or "orgasm" and "ASMR" may bring interesting results. But in the end long searching and filtering is required, as everyone's taste is different.

Best wishes

Hans

Posted by: @hans_steam

I achieve very strong P-waves with full body involuntary muscle twitches. These are such strong that they feel like micro-orgasms and I get the feeling of becoming liquid and melting into the bed.

Imo this is a super-o,but instead of allowing it to guide you along and amplify,your mind is fixated on bigger and better which may actually be preventing it from becoming bigger and better.

Posted by: @hans_steam

I miss that trigger which in conjunction with traditional penile orgasms is called the "point of no return".

Again,you’ve associated something very specific that needs to happen in order for you to progress,and imo again,the opposite is true. You’re getting pinned down mentally with ritual mentality.

Posted by: @hans_steam

After having some of theses strong P-waves the feeling of "almost coming" at some point slowly begins to fade. When I than give very subtle strokes to my penis until I reach the point of no return, than let go of the penis just continuing pelvis movements, soon after I either have a Super-T or in most cases have two separate severe Os in short succession.

It’s called ‘circling the drain’. This is the time you must clear your mind of thoughts of multi super o etc and submit to what’s happening in the moment. It fades because impatience and frustration begin to set in. This is the hardest part to get right,but you must change the way you think or risk sitting on this plateau for years maybe.

Posted by: @hans_steam

I suspected, that using the penile stimulation delays my rewiring and planned to have sessions without penile stimulation at all and in case even finish without O. But although I am a very disciplined and strong-minded person, I could not even once resist finishing off yet, because after the strong P-waves the arousal is on a overall level that I fear my prostate will explode in case I hold finishing off back:D

You sound pretty well re-wired to me. I don’t think penile stim is holding you back as much as your mind is. Some guys like Gnawdol do use it and are successful. You’ve said you can’t resist penile stim and can’t resist a ‘finish’. This is a mistake. Again,this is coming from the fading of pleasure you speak of and you will have to change tactics. High arousal and prostate feeling ready for explosion is your ‘big,huge super o priming itself. This is where you have to let go of control,thoughts,expectations,frustration and lose yourself in the moment.

Stop thinking about ejaculatory orgasms. Keep the separate from your prostate sessions.

Questions : No,a PONR isn’t necessary and maybe you’ll feel similar or not. My own super o grow and grow in a rhythm,I don’t even really notice when they got big.

Yes,you’re in a mindset. You expect it to take on ejaculation-like form,and it seldom does.

Let the prostate and the session guide you,don’t try to make it happen. Try to clear your mind of the o’s you want and accept the o’s you get instead. When things feel good,no change,just let them flow in Rhythm and let the audio carry your mind away. Live your session in the moment,not in the future.Ease off slightly,think of like you’re trying not to orgasm.

You are so close,you could touch it lol. 

Hi there,

Thanks a lot Helghast. I’m sure this information will help.

The answer is kind of what I somehow expected and feared as "do something physical" normally is easier to perform. But now that I know for sure a PONR is not needed, I can stop searching for it and concentrate on something else.

Plan for the next session is to either concentrate on nothing and enjoy what I have and not what I long for. Afterwards I can try the "trying not to orgasm" method or set a positive intention.

My sessions are already much more fun than frustration, so nothing to loose if a trick don’t work. This may take some time, but I keep you updated.

Best wishes

Hans

Posted by: @hans_steam

Does the Super-O involve/require that “point of no return”-feeling or am I still trapped in the mindset of traditional Os? In this case, any tips how to proceed?

IMHO, NO, the PONR feeling may not nor is it required to occur on the buildup to a Super-O. I think @Helghast gave you an excellent analysis. You may still be holding on to the thought paradigm associated with penile ejaculatory orgasms. You may find it helpful to read @Buster 's thread What exactly is a Super-O? to get a wider perspective of what a Super-O is in reality. Also please read @B-Mayfield 's response in Non-Ejaculatory response vs. Super-O

Posted by: @hans_steam

In case Super-O also needs that final ramp up in arousal, any tips how to get that last kick?

No kick is needed, just surrender, "Just Let Go !", you'll get there!

Good Vibes to You!

Hi there,

@rumel: Thanks. I'm aware that an traditional O consists of two parts. I learned the multi-O technique by i.a. squeezing and holding the PC muscles at PONR. With this technique you only experience the first part (the brain part) of an O. These Os are less intense compared to an traditional full double part O and dull compared to an O with the prostate involved. But this technique is quite the opposite of a session with the Aneros where involuntary muscle contractions make it impossible to squeeze and hold the PC muscles at the right moment to prevent ejaculation after penile stimulation.

The other two links are dead and I could`t find the threads by search.

/Edit -- https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/non-ejaculatory-response-vs-super-o/#post-13684 the second community need to be forum https://community.aneros.com/forum/general-discussion/non-ejaculatory-response-vs-super-o/#post-13684 -- end Edit/

Best wishes

Hans

 Just gave this advice to newbie. It helps if you determine before you start whethe this is a ejac session  hands on dick no aneros, or an aneros session, no touchie dickie. Put a time limit on your aneros sessions, like the minute it gets just a little frustrating. Its not easy, and you will fail, just like the rest of us. 

  As for the get over the hump, its kinda like that scene in the Matrix, "there is no spoon" , as in there is no hump.

Posted by: @hans_steam

The other two links are dead and I could`t find the threads by search.

I'm sorry about broken URL links, I've edited my post and those links all work correctly now.

Good Vibes to You!

I'm about 3 months in to my journey of discovery and also at the point where I feel like I'm almost there, but not quite. It's been extremely helpul and fascinating spending time on the forums and reading about everyone's different experiences. Although I'm desperate to 'get there', it eases the frustration and keeps me calm in sessions to know that relaxation and going with the flow are two of the keys to success. I'm supremely confient that it will happen at some point. Hopefully soon as I'm now reguarly managing 'flutters' and slight spasming of the pelvic region which can last a couple of minutes and I can feel the tiny after-shocks of pleasure throughout the next day. Anyway, thanks to all contributors, especially the likes of @Rumel for the regular sage advice and pertinent links throughout the forum. 

Nice to see a few of us in the same situation.  I think I have finally learned not to expect anything and just enjoy what I do get.  It's obviously pleasurable enough to keep bringing me back so I am enjoying it for what it is. 

I'm going to do the Mindgasm No Nut November lessons (I think they are free for the month?) and work on my rewiring follwed up be a bit of Aneros pleasure after things are warmed up.  Hopefully the month will yield some results. 🙂

@hankey01 I just Googled Mindgasm and NNN - it wasn't something I'm aware of. I'm pretty green when it comes to all this, but loving the discoveries. I had a good session last night and the intensity eventually increased from the previous session, but despite using many of the techniques I'd read about, it wouldn't move beyond that and I felt a crazy urge for release and gave in to masturbation (well, a couple of strokes, ha ha!) I enjoyed my uncorking, but then was disappointed I hadn't managed the self control to hold out and accept the session for what it was. On the other hand, I was pleased I'd done it as I figured I might have kept going and it was already the middle of the night. My sleep volume has certainly dropped off a cliff since I started this journey and I recognise that isn't healthy. I'll have a good read on the Mindgasm website - best of luck with your quest.