Helpful tools for reaching Orgasms- Free mindgasm access in No nut November

Oh cool. They did this last year too (or was it the year before?). Definitely worth checking out.

It's probably not the easiest way to get through NNN, it seems kinda "hard-mode" to keep activating your downstairs parts... but then that's also half the fun. 😋

Yes, I appreciate their generosity and this year I think I will try to go along with their 30-day challenge!

I am planning to give it another go.  I started this journey last year, still not much accomplished but I'd like to think I can enjoy some pleasure if I abstain and only do these nightly mindgasm lessons.  I'll TRY to give up the porn this time too....

Can they be done with a toy in or should they not involve a toy until the end?

@hankey01 giving up porn is always rewarding!  I tried with an Aneros in yesterday and today did the exercises without.  I figure alternating days might be a good way to compare/contrast, and anyway I'm always reading that you don't get to the Super-O without learning to do certain contractions at different times.  Might as well try it and see what works!

I mention this in a post I made in the Newbie Nook - but I’m joining in on the NNN as an experiment as well.  It will be a challenge - I’ve not been a daily porn user but a couple times a week for sure and was noticing I was getting kind of desensitized to it so… a good reset.  As well as the TO.  

The muscle control is trickier than I thought it would be, differentiating between center, base and source.  But it’s been an amusing distraction while at the office to practice during the day ;). 

I’m pretty clumsy at it for the moment.  

I’ve started out days 1 and 2 without a toy.  Just listening and doing the exercises.  Think that will be my strategy going forward as well.  I did after finishing todays mindgasm session treat myself to an anerosession.  I had a little time and thought what the heck let’s try some different movements and contractions and see what happens.  Even two sessions in just moving differently was a game changer.  Totally different feelings and had my first orgasm.  Maybe I’ll get used to it and there are a lot of other factors at play but you can see why I’m gonna keep toys as a treat post mindgasm sessions when I can.  

Wow so I don't know what it was about it but I had the best Aless of my life last night doing yesterday's Mindgasm sessions.  Really intense pleasure waves, rock-hard erection, I couldn't even complete the exercises because I had no control over my anal muscles and my PC muscles were spasming so pleasurably.  I have a feeling that this time will be different for me, if I actually buckle down and do the exercises every day!

I can’t speak for everyone but NNN is something I don’t/won’t participate in. Hey, if it’s your thing then good on you. But masturbation/sex is a big stress reliever for me. And since I’m not making any headway on the Aneros/prostate orgasm side of things, it’s essentially the only “relief” I get. And masturbation doesn’t always have to be associated with porn. It can be fantasizing , some chick I saw at the gym, etc. you get the idea.

@hesnot Had your first orgasm?!  Good for you!!  I may have to use a toy after a session.

I haven't looked at porn or touched my dick since Oct31.  The last Mindgasm session was nice and afterwards I played (aless) for about 20 minutes.  AT times it was feeling pretty good and I could see that orgasm COULD be possible aless!  Better than some of my Aneros sessions. 

As for participating in the NNN, my thinking is, if I don't touch my dick and ONLY get pleasure from prostate stimulation, EVENTUALLY my withholding won't last and I can break that barrier!

@faith-manages wow great to hear you are enjoying so much!  Maybe I should keep going aless for a while.

@fml I feel ya, bro.  Last few times I have done Mindgasm, I have also had a THC gummy.  Pleasure in my belly wells up very nicely, but inevitably I feel like caressing my nipples.  Once I do that, I cannot help but stroke to a powerful ejaculation.  Sorry, not sorry!

@fml I think it's generally recommended for Anerosessions to abstain from ejaculating as well, not just Mindgasm.  At least for several days.  Though Mindgasm's encouragement to kick the porn habit is a worthy one, I'm aware that going cold-turkey is easier said than done sometimes.  Giving up ejaculations is just as hard, if not harder.  But then I've been training for a few years. 

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And masturbation doesn’t always have to be associated with porn.

Very true!  It doesn't really have to be anything visual at all, even.  I've been masturbating without the assistance of porn for years now.  I rarely backslide, but it's like junk food, I really don't want it and don't see the benefit, I want a homecooked meal with healthy ingredients instead! 

I still think building up your sexual energy through semen retention would be helpful; it's not like it's required to do Mindgasm, but usually you'd have to pay for some of the more advanced lessons.  The benefit of trying during NNN is that they've opened up access to everything, so why not take advantage? 

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The benefit of trying during NNN is that they've opened up access to everything, so why not take advantage? 

I don't even know if I did it right (i.e. I didn't download the Mindgasm app), but I found the "Part 1" video on YouTube and made more progress with that 17 minute video (and no Aneros) than I have with six weeks of whatever I'm doing (or trying to do) here. I'll continue to keep at it, but this is a long and frustrating journey I've embarked upon. My only motivating factor is all the stories that I've read here.

I also had a surprisingly good session a few days back. Most of the recent ones have been rest days, with meditation audios I mostly skipped. The day 8 lesson looks like it'll be interesting though, I'll be hitting that one tonight. I've already listened to their main files in the past, but the idea of a 30 day program is intriguing.

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I don't even know if I did it right (i.e. I didn't download the Mindgasm app), but I found the "Part 1" video on YouTube

Everything is accessible through their website without downloading any apps (at least on desktop), you just have to click the "Play Exercises In App" link, and it'll take you to another web page with an embedded audio player (which they are for some reason calling an "app"). Maybe this all makes more sense on a smartphone, but as a desktop user, seeing pictures of phones and calling it an app is needlessly disorientating.

Ah, yeah. I might try that instead. My only complaint with Mindgasm is that annoying AI voice. Every time I felt I was relaxing it's just odd to hear a computer-generated voice to say "it's normal to feel your penis shake a bit." I mean, I nearly broke out in laughter. Not exactly the mindset, but then again that was on the YouTube version - maybe it'll be different if I use their actual web site.

One thing I did "learn" or notice was the big picture. Please correct me if I'm wrong (and there are plenty who will, but that's fine) but the way I see this whole thing (Aneros/Mindgasm, etc.) is this: It's basically teaching yourself/body to utilize the PC and sphincter muscles and use them independently. Once you "master" that, it's about using them to the point where they become a bit "tired" (for lack of a better term) and, hence, the prostate is stimulated either by the Aneros or your own contractions. That, coupled with deep breathing and the ability to use these muscles is what it's all about. Obviously the better you are at controlling this process, the more successful you'll be (if you equate success with an orgasm). 

I mean, this would explain why there aren't many/if any "instant" successes by just inserting the device. I see now why this is more of a process as it takes time to develop and utilize these muscles to achieve the desired result (yeah, yeah, I know...you aren't supposed to be working towards a goal, but let's be honest - we all are).

That the general gist of things?

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That the general gist of things?

I don't think muscle control is all there is to it, but it's a completely valid starting point, especially if you're beginning to see results with that approach. If you're getting a foothold with Mindgasm, I'd say stick with it, it gets very interesting the further you get into the lessons. And there may be things you discover with that, which can help with aneros sessions.
If you don't feel like plodding through the 30 day program, they have a lesson sequence here which is more concise. They still recommend practicing and repeating the first few lessons before moving on, but I think it's a good jumping-in point.

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I mean, this would explain why there aren't many/if any "instant" successes by just inserting the device. I see now why this is more of a process as it takes time to develop and utilize these muscles to achieve the desired result (yeah, yeah, I know...you aren't supposed to be working towards a goal, but let's be honest - we all are).

Some people have pretty meteoric successes!  I haven't been one of them, sadly.  I have been at it for 5 years and while there has been steady progress it's been much less than I'd like.  And because I hate exercise, I've been pretty bad at doing my Kegels, so at the very least I see Mindgasm as encouragement to do better.  Hope you found it already but if not it's at mindgasm.net

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And because I hate exercise, I've been pretty bad at doing my Kegels, so at the very least I see Mindgasm as encouragement to do better

I never do kegels either, I consider my pelvic floor strong enough already, but Mindgasm adds just enough novelty around it 😛
But then it's not just about strength, it's about control, awareness, and probably even rewiring.

Surprisingly though, I'm starting to consider maybe my "piss stopper" muscle isn't that strong. I had been using a certain muscle group as the "center flex", but I think I've been using the wrong ones. If I more deliberately try to cut off an imaginary piss, I feel like I'm flexing a much more feeble muscle. I think I had been using the other muscles because it was easier. It feels more like some kind of dick flex than a pelvic floor one though. It's confusing... I feel like I use a different set of muscles to hold in a piss (before it starts) than I do to cut off a stream mid-piss.

I think that could be the most times I've ever written "piss" in a single paragraph. 🏆

Boys glad you guys are enjoying the MG

Please spread the news of this free month if you have other sources. 

Day 13 has about 95 minutes of audio, which I'm not excited about sitting through. I've stalled there, and I'm pretty much done with the program unless I can do some kind of mammoth catch-up session.

@clenchy it's not like you have to do all of it!

I feel like if I don't do all of it, then I'm not working the programme, so what's the point of any of it?
Anyway, crisis averted, I did day 13 and 14 back-to-back today, and now my dingdong kinda hurts. 😟
Still working that weak piss cut-off muscle, even though I don't consider it weak for general use, I can cut-off and restart a piss as many times as I want, but holding it as my "center flex" is super difficult... which is maybe a good thing, because it's getting exercise now?

Had never used mindgasam but wow. Lesson 6 the internal flame. To get the feelings without having to contract. Which allows you just to concentrate on breathing and takes away all anxiety and stress.

I would recommend this for people looking for the super O with the aneros. As much of it is allowing no contraction while the aneros is in to let it move around freely.

@hankey01  Thanks!  It was a definite surprise - the mindgasm exercises have made me more aware of the muscle groups and when I find a level and method of contraction that is working I'm better able to sustain that for a bit.... I'm still very much a newbie but it's gratifying to have some success for sure.  I've since continued with mindgasm and had an anerosession after another one and managed a second DO.  This week I had my best session ever... first DO was really good but my body was sort of on fire/electric so kept going and had my absolute best DO yet ... and it kept going for awhile... I needed to kind of get on with some other things but was struggled to actually end it ... so I removed the Helix figuring that would calm things down but ... my body said different and out of curiosity I started gentle contractions and had a third O this time Aless..  Still had to kind of fight to get up and get moving and thought several times as I was tidying up that if I could maybe have another one.... it took some time for my body to calm down but I had a hop in my step the rest of the day for sure.  I will say that one curious thing was I was consciously trying to put the brakes on, so alert etc.... and it was quite difficult.  Perhaps something to do with not really focusing on the session oddly kept it going?  Secondly - after decades and decades of TO masturbation I really expected the usual pattern of build up, release and then relax (and smoke a cigarette 🙂 - not really but the cliche seemed appropriate).  I kept expecting the natural let down but the statements about no refractory period are, at least in my experience, 100% accurate... definitely a different experience.  

I don't want to sound like a braggart because I know how hard some have worked on their journey and mine has been maybe 7-8 months.  And a lot of that was, certainly initially, filled with a level of some frustration trying to figure things out.  But I've tried to keep a positive outlook so I mostly share this to encourage others to not throw in the towel.  I've tried to dissect what was similar in successful sessions to of course replicate them moving forward.  But it's been a little challenging - I have shared some thoughts in the Newbie's Nook.  So many variables to consider, and what seems to me at this stage at least to be a fairly narrow set of things that have to line up.  I will say the more I "work" for a result the less success I've had.  The more consistent I am both with sessions and starting them with no real goal in mind other than to see what provides pleasure the better my outcomes have been.  

@clenchy I agree with this assessment, I've found it a lot more difficult to control the "center" muscles than the "base" muscles particularly independently.  I feel like I can contract the base all the way to my navel (well not really but hope you get the point) but the center feels much weaker.  I think some of that is the relative possible "travel" of that contraction contributes to it feeling weaker, but mine definitely is.  For me working on that control has been a positive aspect of the NNN mindgasm supplement to my prior efforts.

@hesnot well I am jealous!   I am just over a year in now and cannot get your dry orgasms!   Admittedly I havent been 100% committed to the daily lessons asi just dont have the time for all of them every day.  Some are way too long, but I do what I can when I can.

I do get some pleasant sensations from the sessions, but just nowhere close to getting an orgasm.  In my year of aneros sessions I have only managed 2 HFWOs, both with weed involved.  I don't like smoking weed at all but it seems that's the only way I can get anywhere except for teasing myself.

I finished yesterday's exercise this mornings before getting up and thought I'd try my progasm afterwards and hoped for some good feelings.  Not much was happening and I was feeling frustrated so I jerked off. 🙁  

I had a really nice dry orgasm last night. Much more excited about the possibilities now.

Up until this point I had been pretty much going through the motions and dutifully following the exercises as described, but last night was the first time I really tried to have an orgasm with it. I wasn't following any audio or using any devices, just going from what I remembered. Holding a big squeeze, letting it go a bit, trying to pulse the top. I think it helped that I was also looking at my penis during this, so I could try and imagine the "top" better (I also find it somewhat sexy to watch it get a semi, after so many weeks of ignoring it - which maybe sounds weird, but long abstinence streaks get like that).

The nice little buzz was pleasant enough to keep going, and as it built I just zoned out with it, enjoying the nice feelings and keeping focus on the base/center/top. It kept building still, and my semi went to fully hard... I had the distinct feeling that I was going to ejaculate, and I had to decide whether this was worth losing NNN over. I decided it was, because hands-free-wet-orgasms are still only something I've managed to do 2 or 3 times ever, and of all the ways to lose NNN, this one I wouldn't mind.
So I committed to it, and welcomed it. The orgasm peaked with rhythmic contractions in my dick that felt like cumming. They were relatively gentle contractions, but certainly the set of contractions that I ejaculate with. I thought at that point, that I had crested-over and was about have my chest drenched in >3 weeks worth of semen... but nope. The contractions ended (after about a normal orgasm length) and no semen had come out. I even pissed into a glass to check if I'd had a retrograde ejaculation, but there was nothing. It wasn't an intense experience, it was just lovely and laid-back. Long, slow and satisfying.

Afterwards, I had such a sensation of relief. Like as if I had just ejaculated. I've been on long abstinence streaks before, and when you ejaculate from those, it's more than just an orgasm, there's a happy feeling... almost like a psychological release, or the feeling right after you've unloaded a piss you've been bursting to have for two hours. So I lay there all cosy, happy and relieved, but still very horny... which was a bizarre mix of opposites. I'd read about this feeling a few times on the forum here, being sated and horny at the same time, but I think this is the first time I'd felt it, at least this strongly. I think it might be because I never get ejaculation contractions during my aneros sessions, I get full-body calm-seas type orgasms that my pelvis doesn't play much part in, so I never feel like I've physically released. Maybe this is the pelvic-floor workout paying off.
I attempted to go for round 2 after a few minutes, but I couldn't get much going and decided to call it a night.

So that was weird... I've had nice feelings from Mindgasm before, but this event was the first time I've experienced something I can put a label on. It seems more real and concrete now. It's the first time I've seen it actually work rather than having it feel pleasurable in a non-distinct way, or finding it vaguely promising. That was a completion, with an afterglow. It doesn't get any more clear-cut than that for me. I just hope it wasn't some random fluke that I'll never be able to pull off again. I also hope that this works outside of weeks of abstinence, because there's a lot about abstaining that I don't like.

[edit] I should also add, that dry ejaculation contractions are extremely rare for me, and I love the feeling. I've had weak pulses visit on rare occasions during aneros sessions, and always wished I could cultivate them. So my mind is racing at the possibilities a little bit. I did manage a dry ejaculation another time before, by holding a really hard anal push-out at the PONR, but it's pretty hard.

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It's the first time I've seen it actually work rather than having it feel pleasurable in a non-distinct way, or finding it vaguely promising.

That's great!  I have felt that a couple times this month myself: once during a Mindgasm session (I think it was exercise day #2 on the 13th) and then a day after a particularly thorough prostate massage on the 15th I felt shockwaves for about a day afterward...strange because during the Anerosession itself there wasn't much sensation to speak of.  Strange how you can think nothing is happening for so long and then all of a sudden...oh my...

I haven't been experiencing much pleasure during the exercise lessons because nearly all my attention is focused on trying to coordinate muscle movements and follow the instructions and timing. Plus I go through phases of sexual disinterest when I'm abstaining... so some days it's all just a chore that I'm grinding through (that's why Day 13 was too much, but I've since caught up by doing 2 lessons per day).
I think last night was different because I went into it with arousal, and I played it fast-and-loose with the instructions, not paying that much attention to precise contractions, and just going on feel.

@hankey01 Like most things there are different perspectives - so don’t be too envious necessarily as you touch on one thing that I think has helped me, but is perhaps not enviable.  I last had sex with my wife … maybe 7-8 years ago.  Long story for another day, but our marriage is better (other than sex) than it’s been in maybe 15 years.  So I perhaps have had more incentive and desire to explore ways to still find sexual pleasure for myself than those with more active sex lives, or a more active libido that increases the desire for a TO.  

Still, mindgasm sessions aside the no TO and no porn aspects have also been generally positive for me.  Or at least a good experiment, particularly the porn as it’s helped me reinvigorate my own fantasies rather than watching a portrayal of someone else’s … I won’t say I was addicted but looked at porn 2-4 times a week and was kind of getting bored/grown numb to it.  

As for TO’s … the handful of SO’s I’ve had now are all just a little different, maybe half or a little more completely flaccid but the others included during the SO a significant erection albeit no ejaculation and it subsided somewhat quickly as the SO progressed.  But those erections, combined with no ejaculation for now 29 days, drew my attention a bit back to the TO and my penis and I was sorely tempted to end my session with a TO…. I didn’t but for the first time this month I was very much craving that release.  However, I am conflicted as I’ve made some progress re wiring and don’t want to backtrack by spending time on the physical pathways I’ve spent the past 40 years following.  Admit I’m a bit conflicted, and if I do pursue a TO I want it to be a totally separate exercise apart from an anerosession or aless session to try to keep them distinct.  Re wiring in your mid 50s is a significant hurdle already… any thoughts or tips would be most welcome!