Exuberant O Videos : What Do You Think About Them ?

Posted by: @zentai

To me, these experiences are not outside the realm of what can happen during some very intense sessions

Yes. 

I haven't seen the video(s?) in question, but I do know that I am capable of shaking all over, have rigid muscles, thrusting into the air, going beet red in the face, having my eyes roll back, screaming at the top of my lungs or making other-worldly sounds, saying outrageous stuff, drooling, feeling possessed, etc., and I have seen female partners have similar climactic moments.  Other than myself and my partners, I don't know if anything is real.  Hell I don't know if any of you are real people.  But I give you all the benefit of the doubt, and same for videos on the internet unless it seems "off". 

It might help people who are doubting the reality of certain videos (or written accounts) to think about what female orgasms can look like.  For those of you who haven't been with a woman who goes bonkers at the peak of pleasure, you can definitely find authentic videos of female pleasure on the internet.  There is tons of faked pleasure, especially in the more mainstream productions, but there is just as much real stuff in the homemade world of amateur freaky-deaks sharing videos for fun.  The reason I bring up women is because I am convinced that there is no difference between the female orgasm and the male non-ejaculatory orgasm.

But again, as @rumel 's original post concisely conveys, none of this matters with respect to each of our individual journeys.  There is no use comparing, because it only works against the goal of enjoying every single second.  Who is to say that the guy flailing and screaming, having orgasm after orgasm, is having more fun than the guy calmly going about his session, perhaps having an orgasm or perhaps not, but savoring every single second?  It is impossible to know because we are only privy to our own experience.

I have two friends who are in an argument right now about who has a more sensitive gustative palette.  It is a worthless argument, because it is based on the unprovable.  Sure, you could do blind tests, perhaps scientifically show whose tongue has more taste buds, or whose brain fires more neurons when eating. But that would only prove certain aspects of their palette.  It wouldn't prove anything about how certain foods make them feel, about what different memories flavors evoke, and so on.  In the end neither of them has a more sensitive palette than the other, because such things can't be measured.

Just like pleasure can't be measured from one person to the next.

Anyways, I strayed from the topic, back to Rumel's original topic, which was the opposite of what this discussion was supposed to do. Oh well.

@divine_o

Posted by: @divine_o

Anyways, I strayed from the topic, back to Rumel's original topic, which was the opposite of what this discussion was supposed to do. Oh well.

Hehe, it's better to make a mess of things in this new one than to make the old one worse. We'll probably come full circle in a third thread some years down the line... You made some fantastic points here. 

Posted by: @divine_o

Hell I don't know if any of you are real people.  But I give you all the benefit of the doubt, and same for videos on the internet unless it seems "off". 

Yep, that's the way I feel about it myself. I went trough some crazy Super-O experiences, some good and some bad, and I try to be candid about them, in the hope such accounts can help steer people towards their goals. In the same way, I have no reason to doubt other guy's stories. Like you say, some videos are suspicious, but I feel the vast majority are authentic. Anyway it does not really matter, since : 

Posted by: @divine_o

Who is to say that the guy flailing and screaming, having orgasm after orgasm, is having more fun than the guy calmly going about his session, perhaps having an orgasm or perhaps not, but savoring every single second?

This might be the most important aspect of it. If you're not the guy flailing and screaming, it's easy sometimes to envy him, thinking that's he's having more fun than you, which is to say, that his orgasms are superior compared to what you're getting. I have no way to prove it, but I'm 100% certain that it's not the case. All I can say is that I experienced mind bending pleasure while being completely still, and similar pleasure while my body was going completely bonkers, and both are awesome and not that different in the way they feel. In the grand scheme if things, what your body is doing while you're experiencing a Super-O is only a small part of the whole experience and not something that I really focus on. After all, a lot of this is involuntary, you get what you get... 

@zentai

Your thoughts that the guy flailing and the guy who is calm might be getting off the same makes me think of men who shoot huge amounts of cum really far, over and over, shot after shot, and they barely make a noise, they don't jerk any muscles, they don't even really change their breathing. Yet, I'm assuming they are getting off extremely hard because when I shoot cum, the more and the further it goes, the harder I'm cumming: the spasms, the contractions, the involuntary grabbing myself and uncontrollable jerking of my cock to continue and complete orgasm, my eye rolling, etc. all of it is intensified and magnified when I'm shooting off harder and releasing more semen. Even if I can't see it, like if the room is darker than normal, I'll search for my jizz like "where did it go?" and when I see where it is I'm like "I thought I shot 'over there' because I was cumming sooooooooo F'ing hard!" Tgirls too, the ones that have enormous cum volume and cumshots look like they aren't even having an orgasm, they don't change much of their facial or bodily expressions, they don't even look like they are in any "throes" of passion.

But, I have to assume that they are having a massive orgasm, like I do, when they shoot a large amount of cum quite far.

I have uncontrollable hip movements, like I buck my hips and flex my glutes really fast and hard, maybe just an inch into the air, when the Aneros is moving in a certain way on its own or I'm about to have an orgasm (my orgasms are mostly calm, but the build up to the prostate O is usually a little more active). I've never done flips or got up or shook my body wildly. But when I have prostate Os they are massively hard and intense and elicit some kind of movement that is hip-oriented. My abs flex too, forgot about that.

When I ride a dildo and I start to make myself have an orgasm from that the riding will get more vigorous and I'm out of control fucking the thing and then, and I have no idea how my body and mind makes this happen or decides to do it, I slam down on the toy really hard and then I fly off of it and kind of fall or propel myself forward to upright on my knees or into a missionary position with hands on the ground and I kind of dry hump the air as my orgasm continues. Like my O is so powerful it makes my body throw itself off the toy really fast. Its amazing to feel and I love it so much! That is the most 'out of control' body movement I have during prostate orgasms.

Hey Zentai! I watched the guy you said, I cannot believe how much he moves and changes position. I realized, is that normal? Do you guys change positions quite often? Normally I do 1 or maybe 2 positions in 2 hours

@mountain-below-the-sea

I used to have great success just using 1 or 2 positions and holding them, now I'm closer to what that guy is doing, different positions seem to have a maximum pleasure "cap" and I use this to steer things so I don't get overwhelmed. I'll start sitting on chair, go through several positions on the bed, and end up on my back most of the times. 

That's super fascinating. If I can probe you a bit further, what do you mean "so I don't get overwhelmed"? I'm going to do a few sessions this week, do you mind if I PM you for some tips to avoid hijacking this thread?

Posted by: @mountain-below-the-sea

That's super fascinating. If I can probe you a bit further, what do you mean "so I don't get overwhelmed"?

I'm going to start a new thread about this, look for it later today. 

Posted by: @mountain-below-the-sea

[...] do you mind if I PM you for some tips to avoid hijacking this thread?

No problem, just PM me. 

It’s just perspective. Personally I think the guy is showing off,that’s what people do on the internet. But I don’t really give a shit either. Watching videos doesn’t help a journey in my opinion,as on my own journey,I had to figure the puzzle out and never ramped up until I was ready.

The other reason I don’t like them is that lesser experience guys might be right there and think that they are nowhere because they don’t jump about like that.

My initial impression of these videos was "That's completely ridiculous" along with uncontrollable laughter. I know what kind of pleasure-storm needs to be happening inside my body to illicit even 1% of that involuntary physical response. So it's either a big show, or that guy is on some frightening level of intensity that I've never been anywhere near. Of course that assumes my physical response is a constant that applies to other men... which is the big flaw in my assumption.

I've also had about as much intensity as I can stand with some of the sessions I've had with THC... so I can relate even less to these videos as purely involuntary.
But then I've also learned there are more types of involuntary, than the electric-shock kind... so now I'm just confused.

I think from the other thread, I've moved on from scoffing at the more wild videos... I do believe people who said they've experienced these things. But I'm curious about what's going on in these situations.

Could it be the gymnastics and screaming are part of the fantasy someone has about their own session, and it's self-fulfilling? Or as I mentioned in the other thread, these could be mental involuntaries... a collection of small actions that help the session, that are fixated upon, and used as some kind of "gas pedal". Actions that get linked with pleasure on some level, and must be continued (in proportion) as things lift off.

I know from my own (very quiet and still) sessions, there are invisible roadblocks where mentally giving myself permission to feel a higher intensity somehow works (but it's hard to do, at least while sober). Could these external actions be a kind of permission token? eg. I'm moaning louder, so I'm owning and accepting these rising feelings? The action and the pleasure so immediately linked, that they become one and the same?

I'd be interested to hear if anyone who's had these experiences can explain them in some way. Especially people who've moved past this kind of expression... what was it doing for you at the time?
I'm actually interested in trying to incorporate some external cue, as an experiment, because this is way outside of my experience.

@helghast

We could argue that anyone in any form of media is basically showing off, as in, they hope some people will see them doing whatever they are doing. 

The Ketsuiki videos at least give some position ideas and I think they have value in this respect, it would not hurt anyone to try a similar approach for a session or two. 

Posted by: @helghast

The other reason I don’t like them is that lesser experience guys might be right there and think that they are nowhere because they don’t jump about like that.

This is what I hope we can discuss here, whether these guys are "hamming it up" for the camera is not the most important thing, these videos are out there and people will find them and watch them and compare themselves, that's human nature. In any field, you will find outliers, I think we can watch these videos and see what is possible, without thinking that everyone can realistically expect all Super-Os to look like this.   

I don't want people thinking that if they have intense physical reactions, they're doing something wrong or exaggerating. Just as much as it would be bad if people start thinking that they're doing it wrong if they do not experience all these whole-body movements and jolts. 

A agree that watching videos won't make your session better, unless you can find real educational ones about technique, and I've only seen a handful of those.  

Posted by: @clenchy

Could it be the gymnastics and screaming are part of the fantasy someone has about their own session, and it's self-fulfilling? Or as I mentioned in the other thread, these could be mental involuntaries... a collection of small actions that help the session, that are fixated upon, and used as some kind of "gas pedal". Actions that get linked with pleasure on some level, and must be continued (in proportion) as things lift off.

I know from my own (very quiet and still) sessions, there are invisible roadblocks where mentally giving myself permission to feel a higher intensity somehow works (but it's hard to do, at least while sober). Could these external actions be a kind of permission token? eg. I'm moaning louder, so I'm owning and accepting these rising feelings? The action and the pleasure so immediately linked, that they become one and the same?

Definitely. Externalization of sensations via moaning, thrusting, thrashing, etc, creates feedback loops of pleasure. For example I am moaning, the sound of my moans turns me on, and I moan louder.  It is psychological as well as physical, because vibrating sounds feel nice, as does muscle movement.

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One thing to point out to the naysayers, or to those that think the video is exaggerated: if you have ever made a video for someone, had video sex, recorded audio, had phone sex, or played with your toy in front of someone/people, there is a boost of extreme arousal for those of us who are turned on by sharing pleasure with others.  I wouldn’t say that it is necessarily for show, but the fact that it is videotaped makes the show more arousal driven and thus more impressive (for folk like me).

I am just talking outta my ass though because I still don’t know what video people are talking about here 🙂

Posted by: @divine_o

I am just talking outta my ass though because I still don’t know what video people are talking about here (smiley face)

It does not really matter, and I think several of the videos in question have disappeared from the Web for one reason or another, sites closing down, etc. When I try to link to anything, the site eats my post for some reason... So we're talking about the more spectacular videos in general. I don't remember seeing one which was obviously "fake", but this is easy for me to say since I experienced some of the crazy stuff that is shown in these clips. 

I agree with you here, a lot of different mechanisms can explain why some guys will get more movement or more whole body invols, and some of them are surely psychological in nature. I don't know if more extroverted people will tend to get more external manifestations of pleasure ? 

Posted by: @clenchy

I know what kind of pleasure-storm needs to be happening inside my body to illicit even 1% of that involuntary physical response. So it's either a big show, or that guy is on some frightening level of intensity that I've never been anywhere near. Of course that assumes my physical response is a constant that applies to other men... which is the big flaw in my assumption.

That's probably the heart of the issue. If you pleasure is more focused inwards, maybe you can't realistically expect all the shakes and jolts, which does not mean that your enjoyment will be less than what the other guy is experiencing. 

As for the frightening part, there is a little of this, but again, I've had scary motionless experiences, and scary active ones, so I do not feel there is a direct link between the two. What I do think is that there is a little similarity with BDSM, where you are getting off on things that are not comfortable or would not be considered to be pleasurable. Adrenaline, endorphins, they'll play a role in the  "rough seas" experiences. I have no interest in BDSM activities, but I think that this particular aspect of some Super-O experiences give me an idea of why people are attracted to being flogged, paddled or otherwise physically dominated outside of their immediate control. 

Posted by: @clenchy

I know from my own (very quiet and still) sessions, there are invisible roadblocks where mentally giving myself permission to feel a higher intensity somehow works (but it's hard to do, at least while sober). Could these external actions be a kind of permission token? eg. I'm moaning louder, so I'm owning and accepting these rising feelings? The action and the pleasure so immediately linked, that they become one and the same?

Maybe this is part of the equation. These are very smart questions, and the answers are probably different for different people. Now for other questions : 

Posted by: @clenchy

I've also had about as much intensity as I can stand [...]

Can you elaborate on this ? I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, and this ties in with Terror at the Gate, the real one. Do you want to go further than what you think you can stand ? What will happen in this place ? Is it even a good idea to go there ? What would be your motivation to take that plunge ? Can you go too far with this ? These are all valid questions after you reach some higher levels of intensity... 

Posted by: @zentai

Posted by: @clenchy

I've also had about as much intensity as I can stand [...]

Can you elaborate on this ? I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, and this ties in with Terror at the Gate, the real one. Do you want to go further than what you think you can stand ? What will happen in this place ? Is it even a good idea to go there ? What would be your motivation to take that plunge ? Can you go too far with this ? These are all valid questions after you reach some higher levels of intensity...

I just mean in terms of trying to place the physical response on an intensity scale. I feel like in my handful of best-ever sessions, I've already seen peaks where I'd think "Well if that doesn't do it, nothing will". And if it never got any more pleasurable than that, I wouldn't even care.

But then the intensity I've felt has been of a very specific kind. I think a lot of people would agree there are different types of orgasm. So the words "intensity" or "pleasure", even if they could be quantified, might not even refer to the same thing.

Posted by: @clenchy

I just mean in terms of trying to place the physical response on an intensity scale. I feel like in my handful of best-ever sessions, I've already seen peaks where I'd think "Well if that doesn't do it, nothing will". And if it never got any more pleasurable than that, I wouldn't even care.

Sorry, maybe my line of questioning sounded a little bit aggressive, this was not intended... 

So if I can play Aneros armchair quarterback, maybe you're in place where you are content with the level of intensify you're getting, like a bit more would be good, but as you say, you don't really care that much. Then it would not make sense to chase higher and higher levels, or to try and get to the point where it would be intense enough that you think this would cause intense physical manifestations.

Posted by: @clenchy

But then the intensity I've felt has been of a very specific kind. I think a lot of people would agree there are different types of orgasm. So the words "intensity" or "pleasure", even if they could be quantified, might not even refer to the same thing.

I know I experience at least 3 kinds of Super-Os, rough seas, calm seas, and emotional release. The calms seas and emotional release do not cause the shaking, tensing and jolting or any big invols in general. Calms seas are much more pleasurable and sensual to me, and if I could get only those and no rough seas, that's what I would do, but when I let go, I get what I get, and it's not necessarily my no.1 choice. 

@techpump

Posted by: @techpump

I've never done flips or got up or shook my body wildly. But when I have prostate Os they are massively hard and intense and elicit some kind of movement that is hip-oriented. My abs flex too, forgot about that.

Sorry man, I skipped your reply for some reason... This is important, knowing that massive Os will not necessarily imply massive movement. The observation that some people will be orgasming very hard and not even looking like they are, this is also highly pertinent. 

I feel that this is a deeply personal thing, how our bodies will react to the experience, and we do have to remember that there is no actual separation between our body, minds, conscious and unconscious.  The Super-O is not something that is happening to us, it is something that we are creating for ourselves. What this creation looks like to an external observer, this should really not be important. What it feels like, and how we enjoy it, that's the important part. 

The exorcism guy and the porn actor couple frigging the massager about are the only two I don’t like. They rest were ok. But that’s my own opinion. Even rough seas doesn’t result in that movement for me. My hips and legs etc get some shakes and quakes. 

I think theyre utter bullcrap and personally damaged my progress to rewire. Those people are dooing it for views.

I have had the super o a number of times and theyre fairly calm things externally, internally however i might be in heaven!

@helghast

I get you, and we do have to accept that some videos can be faked or exaggerated, and some probably are. Just like everything you see on porn sites, it can go from 100% authentic to 100% fake, I'm no debating this. I still think that the important part is accepting that some guys get spectacular invols, others don't, and that this has little bearing on how pleasurable the Os will be, just like you and @theeagleandwolf are saying : 

Posted by: @theeagleandwolf

I have had the super o a number of times and theyre fairly calm things externally, internally however i might be in heaven!

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Independently from this, and asking in general, I'm just thinking out loud here... What if one day I hit my head and decide I'm going to film sessions and post them online, and some of them look like the exorcism guy, would the authenticity be questioned ? What if the actual man from the "exorcist video" has something to contribute, but he does not because people here are calling him a fake voicing concerns about the video's authenticity ? As more and more users begin to find success in their practice, we can expect more outliers to show up, so this is in my opinion something to ponder. 

Posted by: @zentai

Sorry, maybe my line of questioning sounded a little bit aggressive, this was not intended... 

Not really aggressive, I just think you were reading that sentence with more interest than I put into writing it. Just wanted to put it back into context, and put a finer point on it.

Posted by: @zentai

So if I can play Aneros armchair quarterback, maybe you're in place where you are content with the level of intensify you're getting, like a bit more would be good, but as you say, you don't really care that much. Then it would not make sense to chase higher and higher levels, or to try and get to the point where it would be intense enough that you think this would cause intense physical manifestations.

The level of intensity I mentioned is not what I "am getting", but what I "have gotten". I'm comparing my most intense ever sessions, and considering how that doesn't map onto physical response. So if it isn't mere intensity, what is driving the flailing and moaning? What is different... it's interesting to think about.
I'd love to be at a level of consistently reaching my best heights, but I'm far from that.

Oddly enough, just this week—without knowing this thread existed—I ventured to search out  some “Aneros videos” to review what responses men are showing. My initial reaction was ‘whoa, I want some of what he’s having’ but this quickly devolved into oversaturation. I think the physical responses are probably real enough (I’ve felt the edges of some of that if not the extreme intensity exhibited) but some of the guys’ shrieking and moaning just seems a lot over the top. Maybe I’m just the silent type. Or maybe I’m jealous :). But I  definitely need to try another model to up my game!

Posted by: @clenchy

Not really aggressive, I just think you were reading that sentence with more interest than I put into writing it. Just wanted to put it back into context, and put a finer point on it.

Yeah, I think I went further than necessary and made some assumptions here.  

When we get into trying to understand why and how things are happening, it's almost a different field of "Aneros philosophy". It's like if we really understand the mechanism, then we'll be able to steer things in the direction we want. Sometimes I think it's purely mechanical, other times I think it's mostly mental, and other times, I'm really at loss to explain some specific thing that happens.  

From my understanding, where rough seas = flailing or sudden back arching and other big muscle tension, there is some kind of fight going on, resistance, exertion,  and these session do not leave me calm and refreshed, it's more the opposite. That's why I said that if I could decide, I'd have less of them, but if I'm heading for a specific kind of orgasm, and I decide to try and get a different one, that's almost a guaranteed dud. So the steering thing, at least for me, doesn't really cut it.

All this to say, I really don't know precisely what drives the physical response, but for me, these are not "better" orgasms when compared to the motionless ones. At some point I was convinced that calm seas came after rough seas and that they were the purer, or more refined Os, but they do seem to be two different thigs. This is pretty mysterious. 

Posted by: @clenchy

I'd love to be at a level of consistently reaching my best heights, but I'm far from that.

You'll get there ! That bit, I'm convinced it's really mostly mental, and hard to separate from other aspects of your life. Happier life, lower stress, positive outlook on the future, good sleep, these will all help tremendously. There are times when I go trough weeks of very marginal Os, or they're just not happening, and other times I'll have 10 fantastic sessions back to back. When I think back on it, most of the times the bad weeks are just a time where I have lower energy, more stress, and less enjoyment in general, or when I let good habits slip a bit... 

Posted by: @zentai

It's like if we really understand the mechanism, then we'll be able to steer things in the direction we want.

I think the general consensus would frown on trying to steer things at all, but there are other things, like entering the session with one mindset over another, or visualizing things in a certain way, which can be done relatively passively.

Posted by: @zentai

Sometimes I think it's purely mechanical, other times I think it's mostly mental, and other times, I'm really at loss to explain some specific thing that happens. 

I think that's part of what interests me about this... I've always been physically passive in sessions. I've had a few big involuntary events, like auto-fucking anal contractions and air-humping, but they're unbelievably rare for me.

I find if I move at all I was lose all the feelings.

I find the super O feelings are more spiritual and deep inside your body... maybe from doing erotic hypnosis before but during a super O I almost become bedlocked and am unable to move... feet hands and body feel totally weighed down like when in trance.. the pleasure is so great from the aneros but you are "tied" down and all you can do it just focus on your breathing.

When I first started using I had a couple of sessions where I flopped around like a fish but looking back I reckom those were exaggerated by me.

Clickbait those videos 

@zentai 

Never mind me and my cynical suspicious mind lol. I’m not a video type of guy,rather try it than watch it I guess lol. I just thought he juiced the shit out of the video because at the end of the day,you can’t really see a prostate orgasm,most likely poor judgment on his part. Im not saying he hasn’t been successful on his journey. As always,the journey is based mostly on anecdotal evidence. It was vastly different from another video where a guy was laid on a rug on the floor? Writing would periodically come across the screen and explain what was happening and what he was doing? He seemed to be a little more sensible lol. The video with the very young kid was cool too,his hips and legs are bucking and shaking,a good reflection I thought.

I don’t know,the internet is full of exaggerated storyline videos,social media too with its gold digger videos etc Half of them porn videos are probably a guy with a hooker,though they post them as step mom or teacher,or someone’s gf cheating,that sort of shit. What ever happened to plain ol’ fuckin’ 😉

Posted by: @zentai

@helghast

I get you, and we do have to accept that some videos can be faked or exaggerated, and some probably are. Just like everything you see on porn sites, it can go from 100% authentic to 100% fake, I'm no debating this. I still think that the important part is accepting that some guys get spectacular invols, others don't, and that this has little bearing on how pleasurable the Os will be, just like you and @theeagleandwolf are saying : 

Posted by: @theeagleandwolf

I have had the super o a number of times and theyre fairly calm things externally, internally however i might be in heaven!

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Independently from this, and asking in general, I'm just thinking out loud here... What if one day I hit my head and decide I'm going to film sessions and post them online, and some of them look like the exorcism guy, would the authenticity be questioned ? What if the actual man from the "exorcist video" has something to contribute, but he does not because people here are calling him a fake voicing concerns about the video's authenticity ? As more and more users begin to find success in their practice, we can expect more outliers to show up, so this is in my opinion something to ponder. 

 

No because theyre annecdotal there is literally maybe 1-2 peoople/videos acting this way with far, far more that show calm sessions, at least by comparison.

Theyre overplaying it. The peredise video as well he doese another session with a different device and he's around 0% thrashing and still had many super o's.

He did it for attention, for clicks.

Posted by: @jiji2000

When I first started using I had a couple of sessions where I flopped around like a fish but looking back I reckom those were exaggerated by me.

That's another possibility, where things are not 100% involuntary, but we don't really know how to react to some sensations and that translates into sending them outwards into motion, instead of inwards... 

From doing erotic hypno too, I understand the link between Super-Os and a certain form of trance state. It's possible that in this particular state, external movement will just not happen, just like during REM sleep where you are close to paralyzed ?  

Posted by: @clenchy

I think the general consensus would frown on trying to steer things at all, but there are other things, like entering the session with one mindset over another, or visualizing things in a certain way, which can be done relatively passively.

This is a little like walking the fine line where you're "cheating" just a bit, what counts as interfering/steering things and what does not... Also you do have to ask yourself what law or directive you are breaking here. I think that trying to direct the session in the way you desire can be done, as long as you accept that maybe it will not work and that you'll get a dud. Going off the beaten path is how you'll discover new things. 

Posted by: @clenchy

I've had a few big involuntary events, like auto-fucking anal contractions and air-humping, but they're unbelievably rare for me.

Auto-fucking with the big perceived in-out motion only happened to me a handful of times, always with the Progasm. Invols with other models just do not have that particular feel. 

Posted by: @zentai

what counts as interfering/steering things and what does not...

I'd say anything that prevents you from surrendering and letting things unfold at the appropriate time. I'd generally agree there can such a thing as too much steering. It's something I've experienced a lot of times, where I have tunnel vision... chasing a very specific feeling... trying harder to get more results, even though trying hard isn't what kicked the feeling off to begin with. There are a few ways old penis style thinking can derail a session.
But I also think a hybrid approach is possible. In one of my earliest sessions, I was playing with an idea I'd read on the forum here... it was a metaphor of a hot-air balloon, where you can manually add flames, but then stop and let the wind carry you. It was an interesting way of preventing tunnel-vision, because you'd be changing mental modes every few minutes.

Posted by: @zentai

Going off the beaten path is how you'll discover new things.

Yeah, or to see things in a new way you wouldn't have considered before. Build some new sensory awareness and bring it back into your sessions.

Posted by: @zentai

Auto-fucking with the big perceived in-out motion only happened to me a handful of times, always with the Progasm. Invols with other models just do not have that particular feel.

l had it happen with the Maximus. It didn't come with any pleasure, but it was still amazing to witness. Long, fast, rhythmic, in-and-out movements... so perfectly articulated. Only the muscles required to drive that action were involved, no wasted effort, no mushy-vague muscle activation. And the whole time thinking "What the fuck?! I'm not even doing that!". I think it was probably my surprise that distracted me and prevented it from going anywhere. But it's an experience I can't forget. That reaction is in me, my body is capable of that, but it hasn't happened in years. It's weird.