Ejaculating without orgasm / feelings of regular penile orgasm

Posted by: @onares

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Don't you eventually run out of fluids?

Yup, eventually i will ejaculate and nothing comes out. It drains the prostate completely, but the surprising effect is that it doesn't trigger a refractory period.

I had a problem earlier with blue-balls/ache/pain due to high pressure buildup in the prostate. Since the prostate is 'invisible' to me, i can't detect the pressure directly, but i do get secondary effects.

And when i did do penile stimulation, it was to try and release the pressure, but due to the 'edging' with the nipples earlier, the distance i needed to travel to actually ejaculate became very huge. The more i edge, the harder it becomes to actually reach the point where i ejaculate, takes a lot more effort. Are you able to edge/linger close to the edge without ejaculating/trigger a refractory period?

It does explain a lot more the mechanics behind it all. Why i only was able to transition to a orgasm when the prostate was 'empty', and not when i've gone days without ejaculating. It 'hurts' when it tries to ejaculate when the prostate it filled to the brim. Any source of pain/discomfort kills the orgasm response, and i'm just stuck there, not being able to trigger a orgasm response.

I can feel it 'trying' to ejaculate, i can feel it tries to 'squeeze' the prostate. It fails in that prospect, because there is another 'lock' that prevent accidental ejaculation that is only disabled by direct penile stimulation.

So it seems my rewiring has its own quirks. I get a pleasure response from my nipples, feels like im jerking off, but on the 'inside'. As i climb close to the point of orgasm, the body respond exactly the same as it would if i did penile stimulation, and trigger ejaculation and orgasm response when i go over the edge.

Except there is a 'bug' in the programming, so it doesn't trigger the refractory period, or the ejaculation itself, since it needs an additional trigger to happen.

What does a prostate orgasm actually feel like in relation to a penile-orgasm?

Posted by: @brailleskin

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Are you able to edge/linger close to the edge without ejaculating/trigger a refractory period?

Unfortunately not. Edging almost never worked for me. I try to focus on the prostate these days, because I think that you can reach higher highs compared to traditional masturbation.

Posted by: @onares

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Unfortunately not. Edging almost never worked for me. I try to focus on the prostate these days, because I think that you can reach higher highs compared to traditional masturbation.

Yea, i think you did the right choice there. In some areas you're more rewired than me, so soon you'll have a breakthrough. Can you tell us about your “calm seas prostate orgasm”?

What i'm working on now is trying to get some more sensations out of the prostate, and that it acknowledge that it's actually there, and that i'm not trying to squeeze a magical black hole in the middle of my belly.

I've managed so far to get a few bolts of shock, and very rarely a pleasure jolt from it. I'm getting there, albeit rather slowly. Every time i mess around with the prostate i tend to loose my ability to orgasm, but it doesnt really matter because it's always coming back if i leave it alone for a while.

My version of the 'calm seas' is when i do edging with nipples, i just need to fuel it up with arousal and nipples every five minutes or so. Other than that it's mostly smooth sailing, just laying there enjoying the ripples on the ocean doing nothing.

I go very close to the edge, but never beyond PONR, so it's not really a orgasm. Some of the energy from the other side bleeds through, creating a very blissful and calm state that is very enjoyable. It's very low maintenance, and it takes quite a while to get blueballs.

It's also the most effiecient way i've found to transition into a orgasm, since it's almost effortless to go beyond the edge. Just need a tiny push and you're inside a orgasm that blossom very slowly.

The effect of me just lingering there at the edge forever, and refusing to pass it drives my body completely nuts, and that makes it a lot easier to transition into a orgasm.

What does a prostate orgasm actually feel like in relation to a penile-orgasm?

Posted by: @brailleskin

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In some areas you're more rewired than me, so soon you'll have a breakthrough.

Yes, I hope so. It could happen the next session or it could take another year or more. You never know. For me it's really good that I had this early prostate orgasm because I know why I'm doing all this. I don't know if I would have given up otherwise? Of course, the best thing would be if everyone would have success quickly, but you have to take what you get.

Posted by: @brailleskin

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Can you tell us about your “calm seas prostate orgasm”?

I described most of it in my first post:

Posted by: @onares

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During one of my first Aneros sessions (Helix Trident, beginning of 2020), I did practice some basic PC muscle contractions like they are recommended in the beginner threads and mindgasm lessons. At some point I fell asleep and woke up again not long after that. My pelvic floor was tingling very strongly and the sensations were expanding like waves and reaching up until my belly. The tingling felt like electricity, like my ass was plugged into a power outlet (just a description and not a recommendation ). I also felt warm and very content, like floating in space while being embraced by coziness. I had strong involuntary contractions with the device moving very responsively. Much more responsive compared to the beginning of the session, where I was doing voluntary contractions. I noticed that the tingling sensation was starting to fade, so I added some nipple stimulation (which is sometimes recommended here and on the aneros / prostateplay subreddits). This worked in the beginning and induced some more tingling sensation in the nipples and prostate (like a connection). Eventually everything started fading away, probably because I was too active and excited. Or because I was leaving the sleeping-state / near-sleep state. I ended the session by traditional masturbation and one of the strongest ejaculations I ever had.

I can only add to how the “responsiveness” felt: It was as if I could direct the Helix left-and-right, instead of the usual in-and-out or forward-and-backward. This diagram "THE MUSCLES" on mindgasm.net shows the muscles involved. --- I can also recommend the blog posts on that website (I just started reading the newer ones. They have one about rewiring) --- There is a left and right side to the muscles and I think this is what you use to direct the massager left-and-right. Also I think this is what Aneros was advertising when they introduced the Trident series: When I bought my Helix Trident and Eupho Trident, the product pages were a bit different and were advertising some “Multi Axis Motion” (TM) thing (I haven’t found this mentioned on the current website. I think the re-design of the Progasm had it mentioned as well). And when I was having my orgasm I thought to myself: “Ahh interesting, this must be this Multi Axis thing”... So much about distractions 🤪.

Anyhow… During later sessions I noticed that the responsiveness of the device depends a lot on how strongly my prostate is engorged. Without that it does move around a bit, but not with as much fine motor control. When it’s engorged it slides around much more happily. Recently I started noticing the process of the prostate getting larger. It’s as if the device is slowly moving further inside, which is possible to some some extent, but the massager actually stays in place at this stage and instead the prostate inflates around it. This results in some light feeling of rubbing on the surface. When I concentrated on this pressure / rubbing feeling, I started getting some light pleasure waves in my most recent session. This is what I'm going to focus on down the road.

Posted by: @brailleskin

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I go very close to the edge, but never beyond PONR, so it's not really a orgasm. Some of the energy from the other side bleeds through, creating a very blissful and calm state that is very enjoyable.

From what I’ve read, there is not necessarily a PONR during a prostate orgasm. I think that you might already be in the realms of a prostate orgasm. Maybe just relax and enjoy the sensations without trying to get somewhere else?

@onares 

I want to thank you for your very deep explanation and sharing of all the information and references.  This is very kind of you to do this, and I appreciate it.  I will keep practicing, and considering your take on this very exciting and now more sexual journey.  I say more sexual, as it started out totally "health" oriented and that aspect is on its way.  The pleasure side is becoming more prominent for me, and my wife is watching me and seeing the changes, slowly and steadily, and enjoying it too. Thank you!

Cheers to you!

Posted by: @onares

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From what I’ve read, there is not necessarily a PONR during a prostate orgasm. I think that you might already be in the realms of a prostate orgasm. Maybe just relax and enjoy the sensations without trying to get somewhere else?

Yup, that is exactly why i'm there floating around. I like that place, and tend to go there quite often to enjoy myself. I know exactly what's on the other side, but i'm happy being where i am. How do i know? Because i've been there before thousands of times earlier. The sensations i get most of the time is very familiar to me, but the same sensations might be completely alien to someone else.

If i would do penile stimulation, the sensation above would be almost equal. There would also be another component added, the component that makes it really hard to slow down, and it brings an insatiable craving to ejaculate. Since i'm very close to the edge by using nipples, i have the ability to slow everything to a crawl and almost standing still on the edge to the abyss.

That's because i'm a tangled up mess. Sometimes i'm experiencing a penile orgasm, other times i'm in the 'prostate orgasm' region, and sometimes i'm in both regions at the same time. I guess that's what is happening when my body is able to achieve a penile orgasm without any penile stimulation? Things tend to get confusing.

That is also why i'm so curious about how prostate orgasms feels like, i need a map to navigate this place. Does it really matter though where i am, as long as it feels nice? But you're completely right, there aren't necessarily a PONR during a prostate orgasm, and i'm not climbing towards one either. It might not be as powerfull as a penile orgasm, but it has a lot more of untapped potential.

Posted by: @onares

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Yes, I hope so. It could happen the next session or it could take another year or more. You never know. For me it's really good that I had this early prostate orgasm because I know why I'm doing all this. I don't know if I would have given up otherwise? Of course, the best thing would be if everyone would have success quickly, but you have to take what you get.

I get a lot of sneak peeks during my journey too, things that is only happening once. Like rapid pulsing cascade pleasure waves and such, and i'm also very happy i get to experience them once.

Gives me inspiration and courage to continue this amazing journey into the unknown.

What does a prostate orgasm actually feel like in relation to a penile-orgasm?

@brailleskin a prostate orgasm feels like nothing you have ever experienced before! Once you have experienced one, you will know! The pleasure builds and you let it take you on a journey of pure bliss! It doesn’t end like a penile orgasm so you can enjoy it for as long as you want! Sometimes your whole body will respond with waves of ecstasy and shaking! Other times your prostate and anus will twitch or spasm and you will experience ultimate pleasure! Enjoy whatever comes your way!

@fred27 Thankyou so much for your response. It sounds very amazing, and i'm really looking forward to the amazing sensations one will bring.

Posted by: @onares

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It’s as if the device is slowly moving further inside, which is possible to some some extent, but the massager actually stays in place at this stage and instead the prostate inflates around it. This results in some light feeling of rubbing on the surface. When I concentrated on this pressure / rubbing feeling, I started getting some light pleasure waves in my most recent session. This is what I'm going to focus on down the road.

So you can really feel the aneros rubbing against the prostate and generating pleasure waves. That is amazing, and i think you're really getting there.

I can only dream about what it feels like to have the aneros rubbing again the prostate, some day maybe i'll get to that point too.

What does a prostate orgasm actually feel like in relation to a penile-orgasm?

@brailleskin 

WOW!!!

Can you explain this technique where you stop penile stimulation at the PONR and edge to ejaculation with your nipples only?

I've been searching for a technique to edge ALMOST to PONR and release ejaculate but NOT trigger the refractory period.  I've tried most penile edging techniques and it seems no matter how careful I am I always tip over and trigger ejaculation and the dreaded refractory hormone release.

The prostate orgasm can have a ponr,pleasure can build and build until you realise that orgasm is inevitable. However,once became proficient,I found I just move into orgasm seamlessly,one minute,there is pleasure,the next,I’m o’ing. Po’s and trad o’s are the same thing,po’s just vary in number and intensity.Traditional o’s are limited by biological function and the hormone cycle. Prostate o’s are free of such shackles and limited only by the focus of the mind. This is why the paradigm shift is so important.

@BusNut

One way to this,if your pelvic floor is strong enough,is to clench everything on rock hard after the ponr and block the ejaculatory reflex. If timed right,semen will ooze,not shoot out,though it will be more of a ruined orgasm,once the reflex has passed. You continue and an orgasm should follow straight after. You can do this multiple times. I got bored with it though as it’s too much like hard work lol.

Posted by: @helghast

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One way to this,if your pelvic floor is strong enough,is to clench everything on rock hard after the ponr and block the ejaculatory reflex. If timed right,semen will ooze,not shoot out,though it will be more of a ruined orgasm,once the reflex has passed. You continue and an orgasm should follow straight after. You can do this multiple times. I got bored with it though as it’s too much like hard work lol.

Since it also works if you relax everything and try to prevent any contraction, I think it's about making sure you prevent the automatic pumping reflex in the PC muscles, no matter how it's done. I even had limited success reverse kegeling and pushing at the sphincters at the same time. Like going No.1 and No.2 at the same time, I guess you can't do that AND ejaculate, hehe. This also feels like hard work and having to time everything just right and do this counter-intuitive stuff takes away from focusing on the pleasure. But it's a part of the puzzle, for sure.  

@zentai 

It is part of the puzzle,and it’s actual physical evidence that ejaculation ans orgasm are 2 different things.

@BusNut

When i stroke my nipples i get a sensation from the nipple itself, but the body also tries to echo that stroke, and respond with a very brief jolt of pleasure. Very much similar to how i get a very brief pleasure response from penile stimulation. If i add enough stimulation of the nipples and clenching together i will eventually reach a orgasm (without penile stimulation and not ejaculating).

I've trained this response during many years, what @onares explained as linked neurons/neuroplasticity earlier. The neurons that fire together will be linked together, something that we in the community call rewiring. I used a big book/heavy laptop covering my nipples while i laid in bed and did penile stimulation. That way the book/laptop will always wiggle around when you move, and stimulate your nipples while you do penile stimulation at the same time. It will train/rewire your nipples to give the same response as penile stimulation when stimulated.

The effect will be exactly the same as the techniques described by @Helghast and @Zentai. The ejaculate will slowly ooze out, and i get brief pleasure responses from light touches of the nipples. I've never succeeded in transition into a orgasm this way, so i'm not sure it can be done.

Hey @Onares, how goes your journey? Have you managed to get any breakthroughs?

Hi, @brailleskin. Thanks for checking in.

Not much changed really. I continue to feel light tingling in the pelvic floor during the day, but not so much in sessions with the Aneros. The strange thing is that in the beginning I was quite good in inducing involuntaries (even if those didn't generate any sensations). Nowadays involuntaries happen much less frequently and I'm using more lube now (also more internally). I think it just takes time.

I'm trying to increase the number of sessions I can do in a week (now around 1-2, sometimes 3). I also got back to the Helix again after some time with the Progasm (I like it but it leaves me a bit sore). Maybe only once in a while.

I'll update here once something changes. It could happen the next session or it could take another year or more.

How's your progress?

Hi @onares, it's so nice to see you again. I was getting curious how the last month had progressed for you, really hoping you had made some great strides.

I've actually managed to get the Aneros device to finally work for me somewhat. I experienced my first prostate orgasm yesterday, lasting around ten seconds. For me it feels exactly like a penile orgasm, so your theories and @Helghast experience was completely correct in that regard.

There was no 'warning' that it will arrive, and i was unable to detect any 'edge'. It just 'erupts' when the right conditions are fulfilled, and it leaves just as suddenly as it arrived. No noticeable ill effects, no loss of energy, no refraction, no sense of 'release', no blueballs, and you can just continue the journey as nothing had happened. 

I really needed the Aneros to work for me, because nipples was becoming very unreliable as the only source of stimulation. So i tried to make some changes to how i do things.

First thing is that i always clean myself out after i've gone to the bathroom, so i'm always ready to do a session at any time. Surprisingly it actually stays clean for hours, until next time i need to go to the bathroom. I've noticed that i'm very sensitive, so the close proximity between cleaning and sessions was a big detriment for me.

Second thing was that i needed the Aneros to be completely 'invisible' for it to work for me. So any discomfort/pain was a no go, and i kinda aborted the session and tried some other time.

I also started doing mini sessions, because of the p-tab that was bothering me after a while. So 10-15 min session, taking a break a few minutes, another sessions, take a break etc. Always making sure i leave on a 'high' note, so i don't get jaded.

I even bought a new aneros, even though i already owned seven models. The fifth generation 'trident' series are so much more comfy than the old ones. I have no idea how they manage to improve so much on already existing models, but it's so amazing.

Posted by: @brailleskin

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I experienced my first prostate orgasm yesterday

Congrats!

Posted by: @brailleskin

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Hi @onares, it's so nice to see you again. I was getting curious how the last month had progressed for you, really hoping you had made some great strides.

Yes, not so much to write about on my side. It's mostly going sideways ... staying like it has been for a few months now. I think I just have to put in the time with the aneros and wait until it progresses. I don't think I can force things here.

Posted by: @brailleskin

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I've actually managed to get the Aneros device to finally work for me somewhat. I experienced my first prostate orgasm yesterday, lasting around ten seconds. For me it feels exactly like a penile orgasm, so your theories and @Helghast experience was completely correct in that regard.

Congrats! I'm glad you made great progress! Where did you feel it? In the prostate? Radiating (waves)? Was the Aneros dancing around inside you? Did you do voluntary contractions or let it happen?

Posted by: @brailleskin

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I really needed the Aneros to work for me, because nipples was becoming very unreliable as the only source of stimulation. So i tried to make some changes to how i do things.

Did you use your nipples for this prostate orgasm this time?

Posted by: @brailleskin

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First thing is that i always clean myself out after i've gone to the bathroom, so i'm always ready to do a session at any time. Surprisingly it actually stays clean for hours, until next time i need to go to the bathroom. I've noticed that i'm very sensitive, so the close proximity between cleaning and sessions was a big detriment for me.

How do you clean out? Bulb Enema / shower enema? I think it's nice that you are ready for sessions any time, but I'm not sure if it's healthy to clean out every single time? But I'm no doctor... The way I understand it is that if your diet is good (right amount of fiber) then it's not even necessary to clean out. I usually wait until I have "das good shit" and plan my sessions on that day. But then, I can't do my sessions any time I want to. I might buy a Prelude at some point.

Posted by: @brailleskin

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Second thing was that i needed the Aneros to be completely 'invisible' for it to work for me. So any discomfort/pain was a no go, and i kinda aborted the session and tried some other time.

I also started doing mini sessions, because of the p-tab that was bothering me after a while. So 10-15 min session, taking a break a few minutes, another sessions, take a break etc. Always making sure i leave on a 'high' note, so i don't get jaded.

That's one thing I could probably do differently. Right now I don't abort sessions right away if I feel some soreness. And I never had anything good happen after that anyways. I think I'm going to abort sessions sooner now so I can have another session earlier again. This should also prevent the soreness from the Progasm.

I think 10-15 min is too short for me, but maybe 30-60 min would be a good session length. So far I mostly did 2-4 hour sessions, but I'm also falling asleep often 🙂

Posted by: @brailleskin

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I even bought a new aneros, even though i already owned seven models. The fifth generation 'trident' series are so much more comfy than the old ones. I have no idea how they manage to improve so much on already existing models, but it's so amazing.

Which one did you get? I don't have the old models. I only have the Trident Helix & Eupho and recently got the new Progasm Ice. Do you know if the current version of the Progasm Jr. is also new / redesigned like the Progasm? I mean regarding the "MAMA" technology, where it can move from side to side. They advertised this when they redesigned the Progasm if I remember correctly.

Posted by: @onares

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Congrats! I'm glad you made great progress! Where did you feel it? In the prostate? Radiating (waves)? Was the Aneros dancing around inside you? Did you do voluntary contractions or let it happen?

Thankyou @Onares & @Helical, i wasn't ready for it. It just kinda out of the blue stabbed me with a burst of really intense pleasure, then it was gone again. Just one single sustained orgasmic note eminating directly from the prostaste lasting maybe ten seconds. It was a very 'clear' note, it didn't 'wobble' around like it does during a penile orgasm.

I've experienced that sensation many times before, it's usally on the other side of the edge on the very brink of ejaculation.

I've never had the aneros move any significant amount involuntarily. It's more about nudging it, follow the flow, and amplify the natural rhythm. It's all about harmonics, and i was only using tiny contractions and applying them at the right time/interval. Just like the analogy with the childrens playground swing, applying the force exactly at the right time to make it go higher and higher.

Posted by: @onares

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Did you use your nipples for this prostate orgasm this time?

Yea i did, but it's different now though. I get the same kind of pleasure feedback from the Aneros as i get from the nipples. The pleasure i recieve is not directly under my control though, i don't get any pleasure from doing a contraction. For me it's the opposite, when i contract and hold it, it kinda disturb the natural rhythm that created the pleasure in the first place. The early invols are very weak and the slightest disturbance will destroy them, it's like trying to use a sledgehammer to play the piano.

It's not about trying to overwhelm the system with sensations/contractions, i've never managed to force the system to 'fall in line'. The way i did things before was kinda like 'penile stimulation'. Using only the nipples to climb, and clenching the 'pc' hard to hold on to the ladder. I later came to the conclusion that trying to climb the ladder to reach the 'edge' was completely pointless.

The orgasm always finds me when i'm ready, no matter where i am, i never have to go search for it. I use very light strokes on the nipples to match up with the rhythm i get from the aneros, and 'typewriter' contractions, very fast & agile <click click click>. The type, quantity and duration of 'pc' changes day to day. I'm always experimenting, trying new things. Slowly building arousal, and my nipples get 'erect' (they pop out and get filled with blood), making them even more sensitive.

But with aneros it's more continuous and autonomic, it kinda does its own thing. The notes i get from the Aneros are a lot 'lower', if i take the analogy with music again. I really need to focus, to be able to hear them, they're so quiet. They also resonate and swirl around, and that feels utterly amazing.

Don't get me wrong, the pleasure i receive from the nipples are incredible, but the 'rumbling' low notes i get from the aneros is on another level, exquisite. It's definitely a step up from before, and i'm so happy that i can finally 'hear' it.

Posted by: @onares

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How do you clean out? Bulb Enema / shower enema? I think it's nice that you are ready for sessions any time, but I'm not sure if it's healthy to clean out every single time? But I'm no doctor... The way I understand it is that if your diet is good (right amount of fiber) then it's not even necessary to clean out. I usually wait until I have "das good shit" and plan my sessions on that day. But then, I can't do my sessions any time I want to. I might buy a Prelude at some point.

I use a very tiny bulb, it's only about two inches in diameter. There is actually two valves, the other one sits about a foot inside. So i usally use a very tiny amount of fluid to clean out the first chamber, without interference from the 'main' one. Then i just repeat the process a couple of times until i squirt clean water free of particulates. I do this regularly every time i use the bathroom, even though i don't plan on doing any sessions. You are correct in the regard that the first chamber mostly stay empty by itself if you have a healthy diet.

Posted by: @onares

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Which one did you get? I don't have the old models. I only have the Trident Helix & Eupho and recently got the new Progasm Ice. Do you know if the current version of the Progasm Jr. is also new / redesigned like the Progasm? I mean regarding the "MAMA" technology, where it can move from side to side. They advertised this when they redesigned the Progasm if I remember correctly.

Yea, you got all the new trident models, so i think you're good on that part. I already had a helix previously, but i got a Helix syn V. I don't use the vibrating features at all though. I don't think the Progasm Jr. is redesigned yet, it looks exactly like mine, and i got it on preorder when it was brand new. The one i'm considering is the redesigned maximus trident. It got a really big p-tab, and the changed trident geometry, it would be a perfect fit for me.

Posted by: @onares

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That's one thing I could probably do differently. Right now I don't abort sessions right away if I feel some soreness. And I never had anything good happen after that anyways. I think I'm going to abort sessions sooner now so I can have another session earlier again. This should also prevent the soreness from the Progasm.

Yea, that sounds like a really good idea. Do you get a sensation almost directly when you insert the Aneros? It kinda feel like a small 'jolt', but in a more weirdly slightly pleasurable way? I really don't find that 'jolt' very pleasurable though, it only last a fraction, and fades away very quickly.

I used that sensation as something to focus my thoughts on, and not letting it go and build on that echo. Since i couldn't feel my prostate, i still can't, i used that thing instead. It's a little bit like using a kindling to try and start a fire, it starts very tiny, just the slightest whisper. That thing usally turned into a 'buzzing' sometimes, and other times into small involentary movements.

I have no idea how i managed to turn that into what i have now though, the pieces just *clicked* into its current configuration somehow. So how does it feel now? When i insert the Aneros it starts the cyclical motion to push it out/drop the floor involuntary. It repeats the cycle every ten second or so, in a very slow continous pulsing motion. I remember using the nipples earlier before i got this, using them to trigger the same kinda response/cycle. 

The *whispers* come almost immediately, at first i can just feel them, but no pleasure. They kinda 'stack' on top of themself, making every iteration stronger and stronger, and after a few second i can sense the underlying pleasure they emit. It's barely noticable at first, and I kinda 'lean' into it, and now its very hard to turn my thoughts away from them, and they flood my mind completely.

It's now that it starts to quickly build a very hard erection, i can feel how it pulses on the inside. This pulsing is now its new 'pace', and the involuntary is seemingly working toghether with three or four muscle groups pushing and pulling every few seconds. I can either accept the mini 'o', or choose to escalate the situation by adding nipples and contractions, and make the whole thing go nuclear, ending in a prostate-o of varying intensity and duration. This time i got the 'minuteman' response, going from insertion to a 'mini-o' in less than a minute, other times it's not quite so aggresive.

Your experiences sound awesome! I think you’re on the right path and what you’re doing is working, so you should probably continue doing that. But could you try something for me?

• Only do that once a week to once a month, since it’s just an idea I have.
• Get in the mood and put in the Aneros
• Get into your favorite position and just lie there doing nothing and relax.
• You might want to start with a few contractions just so you can be sure that you’re fully relaxed. But then don’t do any more voluntary contractions for the rest of the session. Involuntary contractions are fine if they happen, but don’t try to nudge them. Let them build by themselves. Even tiny voluntary contractions could distract you.
• Also try to avoid nipple play for this. From your earlier descriptions your nipples are wired very much to your penile pleasure. So I’d be interested to see what happens if you leave the nipples alone for this experiment and just focus on the prostate.
• Focus on the sensations in your pelvic floor and see if you notice something familiar or something new. Jolts, pressure, temperature, buzzing, involuntaries, etc. If you get into a new mental space or your breathing pattern changes then that's fine too. Let it come to you whatever your body needs right now.
• Give it 30 min to maybe an hour and then call it a day if nothing happened. Continue with your current techniques for the next sessions and come back to this experiment after 1-4 weeks (I don't want this to interfere with your current progress, because it's already very good)

Posted by: @brailleskin

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Do you get a sensation almost directly when you insert the Aneros? It kinda feel like a small 'jolt', but in a more weirdly slightly pleasurable way? I really don't find that 'jolt' very pleasurable though, it only last a fraction, and fades away very quickly.

Not really a jolt. But I think I know what you mean with that. I had that once with penile stimulation and it faded away soon after that. That was before prostate play so I had no idea what it was.

When I insert the Aneros I mostly feel the pressure. Sometimes the swelling of the prostate and a bit of rubbing but that usually takes a bit of time. A few months ago I had some light buzzing like I sometimes feel during the day. But it stopped doing that more recently with the Aneros. It comes and goes and I take what I get.

Posted by: @brailleskin

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I have no idea how i managed to turn that into what i have now though, the pieces just *clicked* into its current configuration somehow.

I think that’s what re-wiring is about 🙂

Posted by: @brailleskin

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It's barely noticable at first, and I kinda 'lean' into it, and now its very hard to turn my thoughts away from them, and they flood my mind completely.

I think someone on this forum wrote something along those lines of: “Super O is about arousal, relaxation and focus”. What you’re describing sounds like that focus. It comes naturally.

I had a thing where a meditative breathing pattern came naturally until I noticed that and snapped out of it (very long and shallow / hissed breathing out through a constricted throat). Another time I got into a very calm and relaxed mental space, similar to the focus you described. Again, I snapped out of that once I noticed it 🙂

I have another idea which is called "Fake it till you make it": Whenever you notice something new like when a new breathing pattern or mental state happens automatically, then during the next session you just repeat what happened naturally earlier with the hope that you get into the same state again. But this never worked for me and I think it's better for me to let things happen.

I believe this is how some of the meditation techniques were developed. Something happened to the inventor naturally and then they formalized it, put words around it and maybe even some metaphysical explanations.

@Onares

I have something for you that might help:

https://community.aneros.com/forum/general-discussion/question-about-starting-zaneblues-diet-and-using-brainsync/

I'll try your experiment tomorrow after i get off work =)

Thank you. I really like the brainsync audio:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNXEgPVOJUU&list=OLAK5uy_ls_2QepfxAttuJn7_WA6H1jFuqSTJ_5QM

I got into a very nice mental space the first time I listened to it. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to repeat that again. Many things worked the first time I tried them and then it stops working 🙂

I comitted myself to your quest/test @Onares. It ended like it usally does for me, if i'm 'too' passive i'll simply fall asleep. I can even feel it happen, and when i have fallen that deep into relaxation, it's kinda pointless to try and fight it. It will always win since it's a lot stronger than me.

The difference between this session, and the one i described in my last post, the 'minuteman' one:

This one was focused on total relaxation and serenity and i was not aroused, i just let everything 'happen' and trying to focus on everything that is happening in my body.

The 'minuteman' was also a completely passive session. I did not do any contractions or nipple play, or tried to interfer in the bodily processes, i just let everything 'happen'. I was kind of curious what would happen if i didn't interfer. The only thing i did was 'nudge' it in the beginning, just as the harmonics/cycle was taking form, after that it's completely self sustained.

The 'harmonics' happens on its own when they have started oscillating, and it will continue to build aurosal on every cycle reinforcing its own energies. It has its own goal/purpouse and it strives for a 'release', which it succeeded in the subsecvent mini-o. After it had accomplished the mini-o, it was completely satisfied and energies dissipated on its own.

I added notes what would happened if i took another route than the passive one, but it was theoretical speculation from experience, i did not get a full prostate orgasm in that session.

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Phase one - resting state: I'm laying on my bed, nothing inserted yet, the sunlight seeps into cracks in the curtain in front of the window, and it's wide open and shaking a little bit as the wind find its way into my room.

I have a ceiling fan and it is blowing wind over my body, but it's not a constant flow, its chaotic, not knowing where it will strike next. As it wisps across my skin, it create in its wake small chill/goosebump p-waves all over my skin at random places. It kinda fizzles like soda/pop in a glass with ice, and sometimes it manifest itself as a chill that travels, and explodes in a 'fizz' like bubbles in soda when i agitate the glass, and in its wake it creates a braille pattern on my skin (=goosebumps).

(normally i would trace my fingers across my skin, but this time i'm not allowed to touch anything)

The prostate is constantly emitting a low humm/buzzing in the background, barely noticable, and i feel random invols all over my body. Sometimes it pulls a muscle somewhere and it feels funny, other times its pulling, twisting and pulling around the area next to the prostate. I'm not focusing on anything, just observing my surroundings. There are currently no p-waves that emit pleasure, it's all very randomized and chaotic, no structure.

I'm currently focusing all my efforts into complete relaxation and serenity.

Phase two - insertion: The mere anticipation of insertion creates small p-waves that emit tiny amounts of pleasure. It get very excited directly afterwards and creates a small flurry of involuntaries, and they in return creates the *whispers*, the constant swirling and in motion p-waves that also emit tiny amounts of pleasure. It feels like its churning, kinda like a mortle and pestle. They later calm down to a more steady state, and they adjust themself with my breathing pattern. The backround buzz/vibrations comes back, and sometimes fades out, but it's mostly there at all times

I'm starting to fall deep in relaxation and i'm falling asleep. I will let it take me, and when i woke up from my slumber the 'magic' is gone. My body is satisfied and has stopped with all its invols etc.

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Second session of the day:

The most importand lession i learned was to understand how to interpret the signals my body is sending out. It also gets horny, quite a lot, and has its own desires and cravings (it kinda just wanna orgasm 24/7).

I got a call from my body this evening, expressing a desire to orgasm. I jumped on the wagon and inserted the aneros, and as always it starts quiet but escalate quickly. This time i didn't nudge it to become cyclical, and use invols (the self reinforcing thing i talked about earlier). It just builds and builds, towards something. No invols whatsoever, it's just a neverending completely dominating pleasure-wave that builds and builds. It overwhelms my senses quite quickly with orgasmic pleasures. Since it isnt 'cyclical', and just a constant increasing 'force of nature', it can't go anywhere. This time it doesnt result in a mini-o, it just 'fizzles' out on its own.

The p-wave is in its own right a orgasm, it does grow by itself without my interference. I have never managed to use it to trigger a prostate orgasm, to acomplish that it needs to transform into a sinusoidal pulse form. It doesn't go into a cyclical self-reinforcing p-wave on its own, all invols are chaotic by nature. It can happen by pure chance, but mostly it's a construct.

The easiest thing to do is ofcourse to manually stimulate the p-wave directly and add energy, and make it grow. The objective was to make things grow by itself, not to 'cheat' by direct intervention with nipples and contractions.

'by will alone i set my mind in motion'. It's your job to bring order to chaos.

Interesting. For me my best sessions were -- most of the time -- after falling asleep and waking up again. Somehow my mind is in a better state. The obvious problem here is that it's not very reliable and mainly chance if something nice happens. But if something happens, then it's usually something new.

During waking state I mostly don't have anything to "work with" with the Aneros. The sensations are missing and also the movement is much less responsive. But I'll continue practicing because I know what's possible.

@onares 

I've started adjusting my diet to become more orgasmic. I consumed my first capsule of concentrated fish oil today, and eventually i will scale it up to what 'zaneblue' recommends in that post i linked earlier.

I had a orgasmic sensations during work today, which never usally happens. But it might as well be a placebo effect, it's too early to tell if it actually works.

Have you ever considered taking nutritional suppliments to try and boost your orgasmic response?

Personally I prefer to avoid supplements / medications if possible (with medications I mean stuff like Ibuprofen for every minor headache. Not medications that the doctor prescribed).

At some point I did run most of my favorite meals through cronometer.com to see how the micro-nutrients stack up (you have to make sure to use the right data sources like NCCDB or USDA, which list most of the nutrients). I aim for the micros within the recommended ranges and try to limit saturated fat to approximately 10% or less of total Calories.

For example I noticed that I was lacking slightly in Vitamin E, so I added some sunflower seeds. In general, I think that you only need to take supplements for what you truly lack in your regular diet. I also eat fish regularly.

Regarding the orgasmic response: I think this is mostly mental for me, because I already had a pretty nice prostate orgasm after falling asleep with the aneros, and one "dry wet-dream" without anything inserted. In that sense, my body should already have everything it needs? And to do this while awake probably just takes more practice and time for the re-wiring to take place.

You can definitely report back if you feel that it works for you. But if you now start getting intense Super-Os, how can you be sure that this comes from the new supplements? Or is this a result of your year-long practice and your recent breakthroughs?

Thankyou @Onares for your take on the matter. I've been very sceptical towards nutritional suppliments 'mumbo jumbo' in the past. My system is a fluid system that's always in motion, which makes it really difficult to decide if it really works or not, but I'll definitly let you know.

Yes, exactly. Our bodies (including the mind) are complex systems, where changing one variable doesn't have the same result when done multiple time.

I guess nutritional supplements won't hurt if you don't overdo it (maybe your wallet :-))... But drawing definite conclusions will be difficult.

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I've been searching for a technique to edge ALMOST to PONR and release ejaculate but NOT trigger the refractory period.  I've tried most penile edging techniques and it seems no matter how careful I am I always tip over and trigger ejaculation and the dreaded refractory hormone release.

me too!

A short update:

Since my last post here, I’ve had more sessions with the Aneros, mostly with the Helix Trident and sometimes the Eupho Trident and Progasm. I’m slowly making progress with being able to have more awareness of the prostate. Mostly feeling the pressure and swelling of the prostate around the Aneros, and sometimes movements of the surface of the plastic against the rectal tissue. Sometimes I get involuntaries for an extended period of time. Not so much pleasure but still enjoyable when it happens. I’m also getting better at relaxation (mentally and physically) and sometimes reach a calmer mind state.

Another thing I do is the newly found technique (thanks to this forum!!!) of stimulating the area around the frenulum and below at the ridged band (linked in my initial post of this thread). This penile stimulation is helping me a lot because I can actually feel a current-like sensation through my penis, which is similar (but less intense) than my only prostate orgasm 3 years ago during one of my first sessions. Sometimes the sensation is at the point of stimulation, sometimes it’s in the prostate / perineum / root of the penis. Occasionally it moves up into the glans and links up to the prostate. I think this is what the aneros wiki describes when they talk about the perineum sensations from the p-tab, or what other people here do with nipple stimulation (both of which don’t work for me right now).

The good thing is that I won’t ejaculate as long as I just focus on this sensation and don’t go too fast. I haven’t experienced higher intensities but I think it’s slowly building up and becoming more consistent with practice. It fades if I go too fast and I ejaculate without orgasm if I continue from there.

I experimented a bit with different techniques, like stimulating both the “upper” side of the ridged band with my thumb, together with the “under” side of the ridged band or frenulum with my index finger. But for me the most comfortable position is to just focus on the under side of the penis with the index finger, either in an up-down motion or a circular motion (similar to how women stimulate their clitoris). For reference: most of the time in my life I masturbated by stimulating the glans with my foreskin.

I do think that semen retention is beneficial as I’m not rewired yet. I need to abstain for about 2 weeks or more, which makes the sensations stronger and more easy to get.

Today I had a good session with the Helix after about a month of semen retention. I think this was one of the first sessions where I was able to feel this electric sensation in my prostate purely through the Aneros. After about 3 hours I decided to finish the session but wanted to practice a bit more of the penile stimulation described above (I left the Helix in). Usually this leads to an ejaculation without orgasm, but this time I had an actual short penile orgasm together with a massive load. The orgasm was done as quickly as it came on but now I really think that I’ve been having non-orgasmic ejaculations for most of my life. It’s difficult to remember, but I think that I had an orgasm when I masturbated the first time as a teenager. And when I tried it the second time, it just didn’t happen anymore and I eventually forgot what it was.

I can’t describe the actual sensations of the orgasm right now because it was too quick, but I’m sure that I’ll be able to build up on my current progress.