Back to Sober Super-Os : Update and Needing Advice

Hello

Very individual question. The elders might be able to tell where the aneros/Super Os took them and if there was anything to hit up ahead. My beginner opinion 😅 is that aneros are add-ons. It's like a cake with cherry . In the week you can eat 1, 2 or 3 of them and be amazed. These are times when we contemplate one of the few mundane (perhaps) things that are elevated/supreme. I could compare it to something supreme like Love.

The question about fulfilling fantasies seems a bit about anxiety. If it's about that, anxiety (concerns about approvals in general) should be worked on psychologically little by little. Invest in self-knowledge and be aware of one's own limits and capabilities. Prostate orgasms will be with you always ready to pulsate and then return to everyday life.

In summary, aneros is something else that we add to our lives. Just explore and behold.

I've been in a similar soul-searching mindset myself since quitting THC (again), so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
My experience with THC was different in that, I never paired it with porn, or even fantasy. I would hit the bong, and 2 minutes later my body was extremely ready. I didn't need to look at anything, or think about anything, the body-arousal was just there in raw form. Maybe this was a result of conditioning (since I only ever smoked to enhance a prostate session).
There were times when I'd smoke, where I'd be too tired & stoned to even insert the aneros... I'd lie there in bed, with nothing inside me, blank-minded... and involuntaries would start on their own. There were a few times that happened, where I emerged from the haze long enough to think "Wow this is great, what model do I have in right now?", only to remember I had nothing inserted at all. The physical sensations were indistinguishable.

I think back on things like that, and wonder what the hell. It's like I've been shown a universe where magic is possible, then dumped back into this universe... and I'm left wondering how magic is possible there, but not here.

Largely I put it down to the extra dopamine-dump THC provides, making it easier to feel good, and for that feeling to self-perpetuate. Combined with being mindless enough to accept it without question.
But if I had to ascribe a psychological difference, I'd say when stoned I feel like I have some kind of cosmic permission to feel good, that I don't have when I'm sober. That there's something so deep within me, so foundational, that even at my most relaxed and open (while sober), is still putting on the brakes.

In my most successful sober session ever, I felt the slow crossing-over to full orgasm as a kind of death, like my consciousness had to leave my brain because there wasn't room for it anymore, and that was a really unpalatable, anxiety-filled sensation (somehow I was able to exchange death for an orgasm). And maybe that's the wall THC allowed me to breeze past, because my deepest psychological roadblocks were too fried to call the shots anymore.

@soul-pleasure 

Thanks man, yes I do have to work on anxiety a bit so I can take the steps needed to get out here and meet someone with these special criteria in mind... 

@clenchy 

Posted by: @clenchy

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I've been in a similar soul-searching mindset myself since quitting THC (again), so I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
My experience with THC was different in that, I never paired it with porn, or even fantasy. I would hit the bong, and 2 minutes later my body was extremely ready. I didn't need to look at anything, or think about anything, the body-arousal was just there in raw form. Maybe this was a result of conditioning (since I only ever smoked to enhance a prostate session).
There were times when I'd smoke, where I'd be too tired & stoned to even insert the aneros... I'd lie there in bed, with nothing inside me, blank-minded... and involuntaries would start on their own. There were a few times that happened, where I emerged from the haze long enough to think "Wow this is great, what model do I have in right now?", only to remember I had nothing inserted at all. The physical sensations were indistinguishable.

This is extremely similar to my own experience. I won't be home for the next few days but I'll make sure to come back to this and give further details. Lots of times I would not need to watch anything or think about anything. And I also only ever smoked for enhanced Super-O sessions. I agree that Aless sessions and Aneros sessions are exactly the same feeling-wise and I often found myself being startled when I realized I did not have a device inserted. 

I also find that "safety stops" are removed during THC sessions and this is both good and bad, as this allows Super-Os to happen even when things are not dialed in. 

Acceptance, giving in, contentment... yes they're part of what makes things happen. Now I need to find if what I think is true and if a particular human connection can also do what THC does. I bet it would work as after all, this is what Tantra is supposed to do, only I'm approaching things in a reverse order. 

Posted by: @zentai

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Lots of times I would not need to watch anything or think about anything.

Doesn't that blow your mind though? I'd even go so far as to say, many of my sessions weren't even "sexual"... or maybe a better way of putting is that they weren't "erotic" in any typical way that I was conscious of, because they didn't have to be. But then, maybe the conscious part is just a means to an end anyway... and real arousal is a wordless/shapeless thing that exists independently to our imagination of it.

Posted by: @zentai

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I also find that "safety stops" are removed during THC sessions

I didn't find that so much. I welcomed almost everything, and definitely had a "bring it on" mindset. But there was one session I had, were some kind of intensity was ramping up that alarmed me. I can't remember what it was about this build-up that bothered me, but I said No, and took out the aneros. I was still stoned enough that it took all my concentration to pull together the coordination to actually remove the device. I don't know what was waiting on the other side of that buildup, but my sessions were already so intense, I can only image it might involve flailing or vocalization (which never visit my sessions, ever). So in my case, I didn't feel like the safety stops had been removed, more that I voluntarily cared way less about what was coming.
But then I don't know what things would look like if I'd been using a higher dose than I was.

Posted by: @zentai

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Now I need to find if what I think is true and if a particular human connection can also do what THC does. I bet it would work as after all, this is what Tantra is supposed to do, only I'm approaching things in a reverse order.

Sounds like an interesting experiment.

Posted by: @soul-pleasure

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My beginner opinion 😅 is that aneros are add-ons. It's like a cake with cherry . In the week you can eat 1, 2 or 3 of them and be amazed. These are times when we contemplate one of the few mundane (perhaps) things that are elevated/supreme. I could compare it to something supreme like Love.

Prostate orgasms will be with you always ready to pulsate and then return to everyday life.

In summary, aneros is something else that we add to our lives. Just explore and behold.

@soul-pleasure I feel like this is an excellent insight!! Sometimes, I feel like I get a little too wrapped up in my Aneros progress or my sexual abilities, I forget the big picture of life.

I was just thinking about my own journey and how a lot of times, I have been of the mentality, “once I can achieve a prostate orgasm, everything will be better…my sex life, my erections, etc.” I am starting to realize that I should be shifting toward the mentality of “My body and my sexual abilities are good the way they are right now. I am on a journey to improve them, but I can be more accepting of my current abilities, rather than always trying to reach for the finish line”. 

I will continue to live my life and think of Aneros as the cherry on top. 🍒 I love it!

@7sdoor You will get there. The impact of prostate orgasms is individual , it does not seem to be just orgasms on the butt , happiness is somewhat addictive and maybe you want to take it into everyday life promoting balance and well - being , I think I care more about health / mind and body .

I've never seen happiness up close and so close. This changes (perhaps) our reference of what satisfaction is, what happiness is, what well-being is and possibly leads us to look beyond the session itself. I always think, I would love for everyone to feel this (the happiness of P or Super O waves) and to be able to carry this into life. This has the power to generate spontaneous smiles.

Today I think of Super O as a consequence because the P waves themselves are sufficient. My last session had no Super O., the P waves were enough and that's ok. So for me he's a cherry, if he comes it's amazing but if he doesn't come the cake would be very tasty without it too 😅.

Thanks guys ! I'm really hoping I can things figured out because I would rather not got back to using THC as it's so hard to manage for me. Yes @clenchy, its kind of mind-boggling, I guess that when the pleasure is not sexual then it can be spiritual, or at least this is what it can feel like. Or it can be about pure pleasure with no sexual undertone, or being simply happy, which is not necessary linked to sex or erotic thoughts. Dosage is really quite difficult to get right, as I've said before I worked with tiny amount so any small variation has a big impact in the results. I think it's worth trying to separate what is caused by the drug, and what is happening naturally in your body. If you can figure what cannabis is giving you that you are otherwise not getting in the right amount, then I feel it will point you in the right direction.

I was the first to say that arousal was not that important, that you only needed a bit to start with, or that it would easily build during the session from feedback loops of feeling pleasurable things and being aroused by this. While I still believe this to be true, I also think that I got used to having low arousal in general. I need very little to get an erection and masturbate to orgasm, which is very different than being super aroused with my heart beating fast and sex on my mind. I thought that because I could get it up and masturbate every day that my libido and arousal were good enough. I think I forgot how high arousal could be when I was younger, then I started to believe that THC was giving me levels of arousal I would not be able to attain. 

Now things are getting better and I'm getting random erections during the day, I try to be more active and eat better, and I now know that some women out there are as much into multiple Os as I am, so this makes my fantasy realistic after all, which means that it is achievable, and that is exciting again. 

I'll try to update you guys on this as I go along, right now I did not chance anything to my practice and results are creeping back by themselves. I think the biggest takeaway is that it is possible to be doing everything right, but if I don't create some potential for arousal, there's only so much I can do by just moving the Aneros around.

Ok so I'm going through a slightly weird thing with my anal/prostate sessions of late. Some of it has to do with massive stress and disappointment over my work situation and being literally abandoned and shit on by clients the last year or so. I'm too old for the crap I've been dealt by people who claimed to be friends and "loved me" and its taking a toll on my ability to zone out and tune in to only my body, breathing, and presence alone with a toy.

I used THC every day for a very long time. Recently my wife quit it altogether for work reasons. We were smoke buddies lol but over the last few years we started servicing our THC needs and wants individually. My use started to taper over the last year to just once or 3 times a day; then I'd binge and smoke like 8 times a day. No need to, just bored I guess.

I'd be so lost in my high that sessions were completely zoned out and I was totally in the zone but through drugs. Yes my Os were incredible. Yes I had Supers and new, deep, profound orgasms I've never dreamed existed before. I've pushed the boundaries sexually beyond my past reasoning. But, regardless of how much THC I was using, either a tiny amount or lots, I used it for sessions to blank out and just be with myself and toys. Looking at it as outside observer, that was very unhealthy behavior for such a wholesome, honest, worthwhile activity of self love.

Over the last 2 months I have barely consumed THC and plan to quit completely pretty soon. This is new for me. I've been burning for almost 30 years. I've quit cold turkey for a few years once, but picked it back up like it was yesterday. Now that I really don't smoke at all I'm having a hard time dealing with my brain. I don't smoke with friends, I play my music instrument mostly straight now, and I prefer to be sober when intimate with my wife because a) I'm way more present, b) I don't need the dulling-exciting effect from THC anymore, c) she's not high either so we're level and even, and d) I'm way less dehydrated which means I'm producing copious amounts of precum (I never make precum alone when high and way less when with her) and much more semen and I'm very into both and more of them as much as possible. If I do use THC its smoking maybe once a week or less. And then its once or twice that off day.

I've had a few sessions straight. They are great and I have Os instantly upon inserting Aneros toys, and dildo use is fun and I get off from it pretty much the same as when I'm high. While I'm feeling like my sessions are pretty much the same, I think of the things I don't want to think about and have Os through them. Like I think of my evil clients while I'm being autofucked by my Aneros toy/s and then I blank out, return to present and my breathing and body, and then have a massive O. I really don't like doing it this way!

When I do get high to have a session, I feel like "this will make me not think of the people/things" and then its worse. I get a little paranoid that I will, and then I do, and its bad news for my session. I do have Os, but I don't feel in the moment much at all. I feel like the breaks from THC and then the getting high for a session breaks my THC fasting and its overwhelming in a bad way. Instead of glowing from all the Os and great Super T I just had, I think "I just spent the last 40 minutes obsessing over my problems while having orgasms." Its sick and I don't like feeling that way 🙁

I'm resolved to not have sessions with THC anymore. Like, never again. I might try with brownies lightly for the body high and see how that is. But honestly, reading @zentai journey through the years and this thread, its the catalyst I need to focus on my mindfulness and get back on track mentally again. I used Aneros and prostate sessions as a form of meditation/mindfulness for years, and although I did it mostly high on THC, I have been successful in the past sober and need to remember that and keep it present. Thankfully I'm so completely off porn for all sexual needs, satisfactions and purposes that I need nothing, not even fantasies, to get off whether through traditional penis play or prostate sessions. Now I need to get off the THC.

I'll use this thread as a check-in of sorts to recount sober sessions if that's okay?! I just feel better being able to say "I had a good session sober today" here on the forum 🙂

Posted by: @zentai

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Thanks guys ! I'm really hoping I can things figured out because I would rather not got back to using THC as it's so hard to manage for me. Yes @clenchy, its kind of mind-boggling, I guess that when the pleasure is not sexual then it can be spiritual, or at least this is what it can feel like. Or it can be about pure pleasure with no sexual undertone, or being simply happy, which is not necessary linked to sex or erotic thoughts. Dosage is really quite difficult to get right, as I've said before I worked with tiny amount so any small variation has a big impact in the results. I think it's worth trying to separate what is caused by the drug, and what is happening naturally in your body. If you can figure what cannabis is giving you that you are otherwise not getting in the right amount, then I feel it will point you in the right direction.

I was the first to say that arousal was not that important, that you only needed a bit to start with, or that it would easily build during the session from feedback loops of feeling pleasurable things and being aroused by this. While I still believe this to be true, I also think that I got used to having low arousal in general. I need very little to get an erection and masturbate to orgasm, which is very different than being super aroused with my heart beating fast and sex on my mind. I thought that because I could get it up and masturbate every day that my libido and arousal were good enough. I think I forgot how high arousal could be when I was younger, then I started to believe that THC was giving me levels of arousal I would not be able to attain. 

Now things are getting better and I'm getting random erections during the day, I try to be more active and eat better, and I now know that some women out there are as much into multiple Os as I am, so this makes my fantasy realistic after all, which means that it is achievable, and that is exciting again. 

I'll try to update you guys on this as I go along, right now I did not chance anything to my practice and results are creeping back by themselves. I think the biggest takeaway is that it is possible to be doing everything right, but if I don't create some potential for arousal, there's only so much I can do by just moving the Aneros around.

 

 

 

 

 

@zentai this part you said that I bolded and enlarged, its so true to me, too. I also need literally nothing to get hot and bothered, get erect, and get off. I can get my heart racing if I need to, or not, just depends on what kind of experience I'm going for. But I used THC to get there. I'm naturally very horny and my libido is a bit too strong maybe for my own good. I'm probably hypersexual and have been my whole life. But on THC my arousal is through the fucking roof. Unstoppable. If I'm aroused enough to get hard and do myself, and then I get high, I feel like I could punch my erection through a wall that would be just fine; I'm lost in another world with my hard on and cumming is the most unbelievable experience I can ever dream of. So when I'm riding with Aneros and other toys, I'm turned on so much I prefer to be alone because I'd be embarrassed for my wife to see how horned up I am in those moments, although I want her to see me like that and she wants to, too. But its a bit much. Its great, but its a lot. THC absolutely gave me levels of arousal that are unnatural and a bit scary at times considering its a substance. That I don't need for my own arousal and pleasure. 

Like you say below what I highlighted, I get random erections during the day, I have bigger better morning wood, I have dreams again (talk about feeling blank waking up without a lick of memory of a dream; its been over 20 years I've maybe had 10 dreams I can remember having). My sexual response with my wife is through the roof and drives my arousal to new heights I didn't know of before (part of that is the almost 2.5 years off porn, but no THC is increasing it all tenfold). I just feel like I had a crutch in THC but my legs and feet were healthy and I was able to run unaided. Now I'm like down to just one crutch or maybe a cane and I can sense that I'll be running and walking unaided soon 🙂

"....  I just feel like I had a crutch in THC but my legs and feet were healthy and I was able to run unaided. Now I'm like down to just one crutch or maybe a cane and I can sense that I'll be running and walking unaided soon 🙂 "

Impactful phrase.

Important Reflections

Are you looking for an actual emotionally profound relationship with someone?  It sounds like you are looking for a specific type of sex partner (because mutual masturbation is sex with a partner), and that is always harder to find than being open to any sort of sexual partner.  In this case you are looking for a multi-orgasmic woman curious to explore in non traditional ways, if I understand correctly

 I’ve been with many women and most of them were mildly multi-orgasmic. That is, often 1-2 orgasms, occasionally more. Rarely they were strictly mono-orgasmic and rarely they have been fully multi-orgasmic. Out of 60-70 women, I can think of 3 who cum over and over with no end in sight, but there might have been more and I wasn’t good in bed when I was younger or they hadn’t discovered their powers yet. In any case, it isn’t common, so don’t bank on that.

the good news is you are special because you do hot things most guys don’t do.

I recommend going on okcupid, making a profile, explaining your goals, who you want to meet, also writing other interesting things about yourself, and seeing what happens. If you explain tastefully that you are into certain backdoor practices bordering on tantric, that you are looking for a partner in crime who is interested in mutually exploring the outer limits of there sexuality in between two rounds of (insert hobby here), maybe you’ll get lucky. I have, multiple times. As long as your profile isn’t all sex, and represents you, you have a good chance of meeting someone sweet.

you could also look into orgasmic meditation, where you go masturbate women. It’s one way as far as I understand, only she gets pleasure, there’s a whole protocol I think. Never done it myself. But it sounds fun!

@divine_o 

Thanks a lot man, I'll make sure to get back to you with more details. Yes, I understand that this is partnered sex, and while I'm open to any compatible partner, the dream or fantasy partner is that 1 in 100 multi-orgasmic girl who's willing to explore the boundaries of what S-Os and multiples can be, and that will by default be emotionally profound, at least in my case because this would put me in very vulnerable and open states. 

Right now I'm a bit stuck in that chicken and egg scenario where I *think* that the right person will rebalance my arousal and S-Os, but it's hard for me to call myself super-orgasmic right now, as I need to build back to it. So there's a bit of an issue here with how I can/could present this. 

I also need to consider what @techpump said about THC recovery, and about how the THC Os often feel fake or like you are hardly connected to them, no matter how powerful they can be. It's always tempting to go back even after a few months off, so I feel like I'm on a bit of time crunch here, or at least, it's less likely that'll I'll go back to THC if I can get my S-Os back to how they were before. The only positive for me with cannabis is easier S-Os, everything else is side effects and negative stuff. if I can get my sober result back, I'm pretty sure that I will have zero interest in using cannabis again for any reason, and that would be for the better. 

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can’t help with thc stuff.

Can help with dating. doesn’t matter if you aren’t multi-orgasmic just as it doesn’t matter if she is isn’t. What matters is that you are both willing to explore with each other. Orgasms are fun but what is more important is connection and shared pleasure. I don’t know what your experience with partners is like, but just being physically close to someone you love or even talking to them on the phone is a delicious feeling. It makes everything feel good, even just light caresses.

Don’t worry about “fixing” yourself. You aren’t broken. You are interested in exploring sexuality in alternate ways and that is hot for many women, especially those tired of PIV sex.  It helps if you like eating pussy and spending lots of time touching your partners body, and if you are able to talk about your emotions, say nice things, do the dishes and laundry and vacuum, dress decently (not expensive, just not trash) and be clean.  

 Life is short, go find yourself someone to love, our at least put yourself out there. It may take a day or years to find a special someone, you might get hurt along the way, but it is worth it. I’m happy to give you personalized advice for online dating if you want. I’m a pro 🙂 met three loves (including my wife), multiple excellent lovers and friends.

Oh and edit, after mulling over women I’ve been with in a bout of insomnia, there were actually several truly infinite multi-orgasmic ones. I forgot about a few of them… but still, it is pretty rare! 

@divine_o 

I don't want to treat is a science experiment (unless the woman wants that, lol) but I think this would be super fun, seeing to what extent WMOs can be developed or learned. 

Unfortunately I have no advice to offer, but here I am trying to figure out HOW to get a good THC session to get me that elusive orgasm.  😉

Good luck on your journey!

@soul-pleasure THANKS FOR THAT!!!

Posted by: @zentai

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@divine_o 

Thanks a lot man, I'll make sure to get back to you with more details. Yes, I understand that this is partnered sex, and while I'm open to any compatible partner, the dream or fantasy partner is that 1 in 100 multi-orgasmic girl who's willing to explore the boundaries of what S-Os and multiples can be, and that will by default be emotionally profound, at least in my case because this would put me in very vulnerable and open states. 

Right now I'm a bit stuck in that chicken and egg scenario where I *think* that the right person will rebalance my arousal and S-Os, but it's hard for me to call myself super-orgasmic right now, as I need to build back to it. So there's a bit of an issue here with how I can/could present this. 

I also need to consider what @techpump said about THC recovery, and about how the THC Os often feel fake or like you are hardly connected to them, no matter how powerful they can be. It's always tempting to go back even after a few months off, so I feel like I'm on a bit of time crunch here, or at least, it's less likely that'll I'll go back to THC if I can get my S-Os back to how they were before. The only positive for me with cannabis is easier S-Os, everything else is side effects and negative stuff. if I can get my sober result back, I'm pretty sure that I will have zero interest in using cannabis again for any reason, and that would be for the better. 

I just had a very sober session. I took about 10 days off from getting high on anything, and then smoked one hit with my friend out of town (hadn't seen him in 4 years, so I excused it as "for old times sake"). That was Sunday. Haven't touched anything since, not even alcohol. I used a few toys, my fav g-spot glass wand, rode a smallish sized realistic dildo, and used a toy in me to have a Super T at the end. I had an O within 30 seconds of inserting first toy, had several more in the next few minutes. I think I had 2 super Os around the 10 and 15 minute marks; I used three toys during that first 15 minutes. Then I milked way more thin white fluid out of me way more easily with my glass wand than I have in months and it felt amazing and very orgasmic; I used the toy a bit vigorously to make myself had a few Os and I usually don't and can't O from it at all. Riding the dildo I didn't have the profound Os like normal (when high on THC I'm very lost while riding and its insane how good it is) but I had two Os in a few minutes and they were damn good. I couldn't take it anymore, laid back down on my back, inserted a toy, lubed up, got very hard very fast, used a fleshlight for a few more seconds, and exploded all over me, way more semen than normal! It was completely draining, I was trembling, shaking my free hand around, I think I made "little school girl" sounds lol, panting and whimpering. The Super T lasted close to a minute I bet. 

My take aways from this session versus THC-fueled ones:

I was extremely connected to my prostate Os. They were as strong as when I'm high. I had just as many as I normally would high. I had more "realization" of my orgasmic mental state than when high.

My penis was buzzing and felt "more present" laying on my body than when high. It went from flaccid to semi back and forth about the same as when high. I produced three or four times more prostate fluid than when I'm high (and I'm always dehydrated and don't produce precum much at all and certainly less semen/prostate fluid when I'm high). (for context, I had sex with my wife last night, we hadn't done it in a little over 5 weeks, and I hadn't cum in 9 days and I fucking erupted all over her last night and was beyond drained.) I certainly produced more semen when I finished with a Super T it was all over me and the strength of my ejaculation and final O was beyond profound and much stronger than when I've been high in the past. While high my Super T is a "big relief" today while not high and very sober my Super T was "a major sexual climax event" that triggered a profound ending-feeling. I had energy though, I got up pretty quick and got to cleaning up, peeing, and getting on with the rest of my day much quicker than when I'm high. 

I was just as blissed out and just as "lost" in my session as when high.

Here's what I liked the most: I didn't think about the "people I don't want to think about" really at all. If they came up, they left very fast. I think THC makes me believe they will leave if they come up, but they don't, the THC makes me obsess over them and myself obsessing over them. I had more peace of mind and clarity in this session today than I think I have in about a year. I just overall felt very good, very free, and very open with myself, not inebriated and dulled like normal when I'm high.

I will say that I was a bit nervous, almost scared, to have a bunk session because I wasn't going to get high. But I talked myself up to have fun, and enjoy the time alone with my wife at work. I was very loud, very open vocally and my sexuality was on high alert to be whatever it was going to be; no filters allowed. I did not believe this session was going to work, I thought it was not going to be easy, and I thought I'd be distracted by my stressful work problems. If anything I feel more free now and more relieved.

@zentai I know this shit is fucking hard and difficult. I've tried to be sober for sessions before with mixed results. I give in to THC for the easy way out. Its like the connection between THC and a session makes me believe I know the "way" to do it and be successful. There's that expectation we're not really supposed to have when we do prostate sessions, though! Stripping off that expectation of weed=good prostate session was liberating now that its over and I had a good session. I just did not think "if I was high..." and let the toys do their thing and I took over with certain toys and let me be in control a little bit, too.

Just wanted to share that I almost got high and chose not to and it paid off big time. @Zentai reach out if you want or need anything!

@techpump 

Thanks a lot for your insight, and of course, you're free to use this thread to keep track of your sober results ! Great job on getting back to S-Os without any chemical help, for sure these can be as good or even better than what we get with THC. I kind of wish I always stayed on the natural path, and at the same time, these enhanced Os were some amazing experiences, it's just hard to make sure I don't fly too close to the sun. Stopping for 10, 20, 60 days is not the issue for me, I guess I'm lucky it's that way, the main problem is replacing these mind-altering, larger than life experiences with more mundane "real-life" things.

My expectations of what pleasure means have probably shifted permanently in some way, and I've seen scientific papers showing that it takes as long as 18 months for the dopamine system to return to baseline after being abused in the way I think I abused it. It's been several months since I went for really strong Os, but it's hard to say when Day 1 really starts and if things reset themselves if I take "just a hit, just this time". On the other hand I can see that I get strong buildups from sexting with someone, so I know I did not wreck my reward system permanently. Maybe the minimum arousal I need to get started I just higher now, so I can't just do it alone like I did for years. THC is much easier in every way than putting myself out there and actually being in arousing situations, so I think I just bought some time before the THC Os started to feel empty and fake. Time that I could have used to build myself up.

From the first hit and first crazy Os, to recovering, it's been almost 4 years now, not all wasted of course, but not used fully either. I learned a lot, but knowledge unapplied is worth absolutely zilch. 

I'll have to go over your posts again and see how many connections I can make, I already see quite a few. Thanks again for sharing your experience.  

@zentai for sure man anytime! I don't want to be cliche and say we're all in this together, but in many ways we are. Chances are good I'm having a session tonight, I might invite my wife to be a part of it, I haven't done anything session/prostate/anal related with her sober in years. Like, maybe 10 years. If it happened it was chance alone and I don't remember. I need time alone to process and deal with the lack of being high, but I need to know if it all works the same with her there too. I almost broke down yesterday and got high for no reason, I didn't even need to or want to, there was a routine thing my wife and I were doing, walking into a back room where we always got high, and I told her "omg I could just go for the bowl right now" but I didn't. Thankfully I just have old decarbolized weed saved for making oil and food with, but it can be smoked, its gross, but it works. I can't decide if I want to get rid of it or not, make brownies with it, or what. Confusing to deal with. Have a lot of brownies in the freezer collecting ice crystals right not, I can't bring myself to eat any of them. In a weird place right now for sure! But for sure, I'm not getting high for anything sexual, right now it feels like I don't need it. Gotta make some decisions about all of this soon. It sure feels great not being high day or night, that I know. As sessions happen not-high I'll report here. Again, this thread makes me strong and I'm glad to participate in it 🙂

Guys this thread is incredibly interesting, moreso as it develops.  I've read other guys (or perhaps even you) talk about THC improving sessions but this almost seems unreal.  For my own curiosity let me ask you though:

If you could go back and do it over again (from the start of your prostate journey), would you avoid substances altogether?

Posted by: @faith-manages

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Guys this thread is incredibly interesting, moreso as it develops.  I've read other guys (or perhaps even you) talk about THC improving sessions but this almost seems unreal.  For my own curiosity let me ask you though:

If you could go back and do it over again (from the start of your prostate journey), would you avoid substances altogether?

 

No, I wouldn't, because I'm certain I learned my body and how to make this all work because of my experiences while high on weed. I went through a 5-year period completely sober a long time ago and that's when I started to get into anal play, and it felt like nothing much at all. I started to smoke weed again and was able to lose myself in the sexual aspect of it (and all things sexual, really), and through that losing it I started to have prostate Os. 

the one things I would certainly have avoided for prostate/anal stimulation was pornography. That literally kept me from going nowhere for years during sessions. I think I started having seriously real prostate Os as soon as I quit watching porn during sessions. Thinking about it, porn was a much more terrible hindrance for sessions and prostate Os than weed ever was. 

But I've experienced the majesty of the universe and the cosmos while extremely high out of my mind and body on hash oil one time and that was a life changing event, one I never ever wanted to replicate again, and after that my sessions were full throttle dozens of Os every sessions sometimes over 50 in just 20-30 minutes, but I became very dependent on THC for sessions. Not to get "there" but just to have the Os. 

Thanks for asking its a very important question you asked!

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Guys this thread is incredibly interesting, moreso as it develops.  I've read other guys (or perhaps even you) talk about THC improving sessions but this almost seems unreal.  For my own curiosity let me ask you though:

If you could go back and do it over again (from the start of your prostate journey), would you avoid substances altogether?

This is difficult to answer, because of course I did not know how things would turn out before I tried. It would be easy to say no, as it got me into my lowest lows, but then I also experienced my highest highs and it brought a lot of personal growth. I'm still very, very aware that if I had tried THC as a teen or in my early twenties, it would probably have ruined things for me, it's likely I would have become a burned-out stoner pretty early. We all think we are not "that guy" but I fear we don't get to decide, our body and brain chemistry do. With Super-O, things were compounded many times...   

If I had known what I know now, I would have had maybe a handful of sessions and then quit entirely, but this might not have been possible. The way I see it, as a learning tool it was awesome and transformative, as a toy, it was absolutely terrible for my well-being in general.

Under guidance and without free access to it, how I think it might have been used in a traditional way, I think it could work. Some people can smoke up all day every day and still be fine, for me that is simply not the case, and that's the thing I wish I had known, and maybe should have know, right after the first 2-3 times I used it. I think that the normalization of pot smoking does not really take into account how dangerous it can be for some people in certain circumstances, maybe because these circumstances are rare or not well-studied. 

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If you could go back and do it over again (from the start of your prostate journey), would you avoid substances altogether?

I haven't reached any firm conclusion on that.

I avoided substances for almost the first 10 years of my aneros usage, so I already know what that looks like.
In the relatively short-term aftermath of quitting weed, I do feel like the experience of using it has set me back, at least temporarily. Before my several year long "experiment" with THC, I had gotten really good at relaxing into a trance-like state, with just the right amount of patience and sexual awareness present... but I didn't have to manage any of that on THC, because it was like I could skip past that part. Now I feel rusty in that department, and my sessions are mostly crap... to the point where I don't even bother having them much anymore (it's almost 3 weeks since my previous aneros session, which is an unusually long gap for me).

I suppose it's a self-reinforcing thing too, where it's hard to muster much anticipation for a session you expect to be "meh" at best... and without that erotic anticipation, the experience falls flat... and confirms/strengthens the negative expectation.

I do regret getting myself into this orgasmic pickle. But mostly I don't dwell on what could have been, since I can do nothing to change it, and there are a million other unknown variables that might have gone one way or another. Plus I did have a lot of amazing nights I wouldn't otherwise have had.

Anyway, I expect my sessions will improve with time, as they did before when I was away from THC for several months. My sessions were improving right up to the 8 month mark, and I imagine they'll continue to improve beyond that point.

I do feel like I've been shown something in those experiences, and maybe some day they'll be instructive in some way. For example, one of my recurring roadblocks in my sober practice was hitting levels of sensation that I'd nervously recoil from... I'd have to gradually build comfort with these sensations in tiny steps over repeated sessions. Maybe my comfort level is now higher? But of course I have no way of actually testing that right now, since my sessions are so pitifully lackluster.

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[...] but I didn't have to manage any of that on THC, because it was like I could skip past that part. Now I feel rusty in that department, and my sessions are mostly crap... to the point where I don't even bother having them much anymore (it's almost 3 weeks since my previous aneros session, which is an unusually long gap for me).

This mirrors my experience, it's hard to go back, I'd say it's harder to achieve S-Os now than it was when I first started and knew very little. It's a waiting game and trying to build arousal in normal ways. 

Had a session last night, wanted my wife to be with me, she was too tired and has very low libido nowadays due to menopause (HRT is helping her get some back, but if she's beat, its no dice), so I felt quite horny enough to go it alone. I had taken a generic cialis in the morning just to have the prospect of random boners throughout the day (which I had and it was fun to tease myself working on work stuff all day), and that made me think "this session will be fun because I'll have more semi-erections and be harder throughout, which will be exciting." It wound up being that way a good bit.

Prep was easy, I picked out the toys I wanted to use and got to work on myself. First toy had a sort of meh feeling, I could feel it but barely. Then with some light nipple play it started moving, and after a few minutes I had a sudden strong orgasm, which made me exhale quite loudly, and smile, knowing I was going to have some Os this session after all. Touching my legs, ass, scrotum, and sides all over was super sensitive and made the toy jump hard and often. I cycled through three standard toys and then just felt like I needed something bigger. By the time I went for my gspot wand I was leaking white thin fluid, yay once again, prostate fluid was coming out super fast whereas, on weed, it rarely ever happened. 

So I'm connecting the ease at which my prostate is being milked and how fast it occurs in a session to not being high. I mean its like 10-20 minutes faster than normal. To me its proof that being sober not on THC is working for the better.

I made myself have a few super strong Os with the wand; not often can I do myself with a dildo and make myself have Os, I need Aneros toys to do that. 

I went for the Helix Vibrating Syn trident that is still the best vibrating anal toy I've ever used, and it made me have a few strong Os too. After just a few minutes of that I needed to ride a dildo and rode three different ones, had some very strong anal/prostate blended orgasms. I broke out in a little sweat from riding so hard and fast, I lose myself now on realistic dildos they feel so good and its very erotic and hot to me to ride the fuck out of these things haha but after maybe 10 minutes or so of all that I needed to erupt and end my session. Used the maximus trident and was hard before I knew it and could barely tease my erection to enjoy the feelings before I lunged for a warm fleshlight to pound myself to cumming. Shot a lot very hard all over my torso, again like last time I did this sober last week, I was very into and out of it, a bit loud, and lots more cum than normal was produced and my Super T lasted a long, long time. 

I'm liking the lack of that super-spacey feeling I'd have after a Super T under the influence of THC. I am brighter and more alert and energetic and can get up, get clean, clean up the towels and toys, and resume whatever I need to do to continue with my day or night. 

I guess I had a few Super Os, some felt like it pretty much like they normally do. I normally have three strengths of prostate O: those short fast pulsing flighty ones that quickly take your breath away; the medium to strong ones that come from serious, rhythmic autofucking and a pure sense of "ahhhhhh THAT was a damn good O" as the ramping up to the O subsides and the cycle repeats again quite soon; and the Super O that has my blood racing, body moving uncontrollably, super hard anal clamp down against my will on the toy, and the extreme release of orgasm and blissed out fade away of everything in the world as orgasm subsides and I'm present again on the floor. I had the first two last night, several of each, and maybe two Super Os. My sessions are normally during the day when I can yell and be more expressive (I just don't want to go all out when my wife is home, I feel a bit restricted with her around although she can't hear me and doesn't want to, that slight reserve I hold inside prevents me from giving in to full on Os), and I have Super Os more often when alone during the day than at night after a busy day. Even when alone at night I tend to have less amazing sessions. 1pm is my sweet spot time lol. 

Would I have had more Super Os or more Os in general last night if high? Probably not. I think the weed would have made my session more "normal" and "prescribed" and "expected" and it would have been running through the phases and be not as organic as these new sober sessions have been. I still believe sober sessions are good and will get better as time goes on. I just have to stop thinking "now, if only I was high..."

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I'd say it's harder to achieve S-Os now than it was when I first started and knew very little.

I think to an extent raw novelty is a big help in the beginning. I had a flash of recollection the other day, where I remembered how exciting and novel it used to feel just to have my anus being held open a little bit by the narrow neck of an aneros. That was something I could latch on to and take to the bank, as proof that I was engaged in something sexual. I haven't cared about that sensation in a long time... maybe not as much as I should.

Posted by: @zentai

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It's a waiting game and trying to build arousal in normal ways.

Yeah this is one reason I think I got a lot of mileage from semen-retention... as well as the heightened arousal & fullness I experienced, on some psychological level, denial became an acceptable outcome. I think it helped to manage the frustration with aneros sessions specifically.

Something that frustrates me now, is how good sessions had started getting towards the end of that 8 months of sobriety. I remember remarking during one session, that things were almost getting satisfying enough, that I wouldn't even miss my THC sessions. But it's so easy during a time of weakness and general disappointment to decide "I deserve a treat".

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I think to an extent raw novelty is a big help in the beginning. I had a flash of recollection the other day, where I remembered how exciting and novel it used to feel just to have my anus being held open a little bit by the narrow neck of an aneros. That was something I could latch on to and take to the bank, as proof that I was engaged in something sexual. I haven't cared about that sensation in a long time... maybe not as much as I should.

That's a great point, I think it's fair to say that there is some kind of "novelty window" or maybe "beginner's luck" that we can only experience at the very start. 

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I remember remarking during one session, that things were almost getting satisfying enough, that I wouldn't even miss my THC sessions. But it's so easy during a time of weakness and general disappointment to decide "I deserve a treat".

Yeah, it's not that hard to stop, but it's not hard to start again, either. I'm plateauing a lot right now, and amazing sessions are only 15 minutes and 20 bucks away. While I feel no urge to start the cycle again for several reasons, it would be extremely easy to do so.