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09/19/2022 1:23 pm
I’ve been guilty of talking a bit matter-of-factly about Kundalini syndrome like it’s not a terrible thing to go through. Like saying it will pass, or simply saying that, well, things happen and Aneros use just has a tiny bit of risk that comes with it and that we should just accept it.
In the last few days I started to think about this a lot, and I managed to find some research papers about Kundalini, Bentov’s Physio-Kundalini model, and other such things. Then I wanted to summarize all of this for you guys, trying to separate the woo-woo from the scientific, seeing what makes sense and what does not.
Then I realized it does not matter, at all. No matter what the phenomenon is, and if prana and brahma randhra are involved, or if some dormant mental health issue is awakened, once it’s triggered, you’re hosed. Either it goes away by itself, or you accept that’s how you’re going to feel from now on and deal with it for months (years ?), or you'll be seeing a professional healer of some kind. Whether it’s an energy healer or one with a PhD in a medical field, until you are healed, it will not be any fun. You will recover more or less fully from that state but all the time you lost, feeling terrible and fearful, is gone forever. Maybe you will be on some form of medication for a while.
Here’s what I’ve been able to piece together from my own experience, the experiences of people on the Forum and others who contacted me privately, plus a bunch of reading:
Kundalini syndrome or psychosis is real. It may or may not be mystical or spiritual in nature, but it’s 100% real. Unless you are seeking a Kundalini awakening for spiritual reasons and actually know what you are doing, you do not want to trigger Kundalini experiences. Prevention is the key. If you do not trigger it, you won’t have to deal with the effects, seek treatment, or even wonder if it’s real or imaginary. Not getting sick in the first place is THE key, because we know relatively little about cures, for a variety of reason I won't go into right now.
Thankfully, Aneros use or Super-Os by themselves should not trigger this, and they may have very little in common with Kundalini energy itself. But what I think is happening is that some of the things we do in pursuit of Super-Os are thing that can trigger Kundalini energies. By mixing the two, there is the risk of an accident. What are these things ?
Any kind of Breath of Fire technique. Do not do this, or any other technique from Kundalini Yoga during Aneros use. I’d say, don’t do any Kundalini Yoga at all.
Don’t hold your breath and don’t hyperventilate yourself during a session.
Do not use drugs during sessions. Once you manage to do Aless, then do not use drugs outside of sessions either. No drugs ever would be better.
Do not follow any hypnosis file or relaxation program that talks about opening chakras or guides you through this. Always listen to any new file “cold” outside of sessions and read the script if it’s available. Be on the lookout for screwy stuff. These files are out there and more common than you would think.
DO NOT do any pulling of energy through your spine up your brain. This is truly dumb shit. People telling you to do this are reckless and don’t know what they’re talking about, even if well intentioned.
Respect “Terror at the Gate”, it is a safety mechanism. Tame this feeling slowly over a number of session, do not power through it, and avoid any altered state of consciousness (again, drugs or hypnosis) that numbs this normal and natural response. Any fear you have should be taken seriously, and maybe as a sign that you need to step back from Aneros use and S-O exploration and reassess things. Once the fear is gone, THEN you can proceed.
Rough seas orgasms could well be a sign of way too much arousal and too little relaxation, I have a strong feeling and experience that these may overpower Terror at the Gate in an unsafe way, we do dumb things under the influence of powerful emotions, lust, arousal etc. Be careful.
** There seems to be a phenomenon where people will trigger distressing mental states after only a handful of sessions, sometimes without even experiencing much from their Aneros device. The only explanation I can see at this point is that some men are just incredibly sensitive to this happening. If after a bunch of sessions, things are still fine, then it’s very unlikely to happen. I would advise people just starting in their exploration of the Super-O to wait several days, up to a week, between their very first sessions, and monitor how they feel so they can stop and assess things before going further. **
I know some guys will say, “Hey, I do x and it works great and I’m fine.” This goes double for using cannabis, oh how absolutely beautifully it can work with Super-Os, ask me how I know. It can also make you see Hell. What I’m telling you is that if you go ahead and do one or more of these things, I, personally, think there’s risk involved.
I sincerely think that unless you’re extremely unlucky or do dumb things, either by accident or voluntarily, using the Aneros and having crazy multiple male orgasms, Super-Os, and even achieving drug-like highs from the practice is very, very safe and mostly self-regulated by your own body. Following the above guidelines should put you in the clear. That’s it for now and remember that even if you don’t believe in the woo-woo, the woo-woo believes in you. Don’t try to find out by yourself if Kundalini psychosis is real, it’s as real as PTSD is, and you don't want either.
09/19/2022 4:58 pm
DO NOT do any pulling of energy through your spine up your brain. This is truly dumb shit. People telling you to do this are reckless and don’t know what they’re talking about, even if well intentioned.
Isn't this the very basis of the book 'The Multi-Orgasmic Man's theory? Moving energy has apparently been practiced for thousands of years accordingly to Taoists.
Are you suggesting to stay away from pulling energy altogether or just not mix it up with prostate play?
I've had a tiny taste of what Kundalini Syndrome can be and wrote about it on the forum a few years ago. I was extremely lucky to have escaped the worst unscathed. You're right, it's not something to mess with.
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09/19/2022 6:28 pm
I'm talking about the specific "move" or visualization where energy rises from tailbone, trough the spine and to the brain. Since this is a rough definition of Kundalini rise, you don't want to play with trying to trigger this. This is in the context of Aneros sessions where involuntaries are happening and you're letting go of control, will you be able to do everything "right"? I feel it will be even worse if someone does the work without believing the energy is real, if this makes any sense.
If you read about the Big Draw in The Multiorgasmic Man, you'll find this bit along with other warnings:
"[...] In the past, many teachers of Eastern sexuality taught students how to draw energy up to their brain without teaching them how to bring it backdown again. This resulted in what has been called the Kundalini syndrome. The Taoists knew the importance of completing the circle. Anytime you feel like you have too much energy, inhale to your abdomen, and as your exhale, bring the energy all the way down to your toes and the soles of your feet."
Later, under Other Side Effects :
"A small percentage of men who try these techniques experience excess energy stuck in their upper body. Symptoms of this vary from person to person but may include insomnia, a ringing in the ears, heart palpitations, or tension headaches that persist for several days. If you have any of these symptoms, immediately stop the practice and do the Venting exercise described later in this section. If they persist, contact a Healing Tao instructor or acupuncturist. Most Western doctors will not be able to correctly diagnose or treat the problem, since they are not trained to understand the movement of energy in the body and its physical effects."
Basically, you have to hope you are not in the "small percentage of men" and that if you are, a Tao Master is available if you mess up the execution of this exercise in any way. We can't say Mantak Chia did not warn the reader, but it's easy to just skip this part since it's just woo-woo, and focus on the sexual pleasure part. Maybe the warning truly meant that you should make sure you have access to a knowledgeable person versed in Eastern medicine, just in case something happens. I think more emphasis should have been put on how serious this whole Kundalini thing can be.
I know I had pretty strong words about this, but I truly feel that is you are sensitive to these manifestations, this is one very likely trigger. In a context of an altered state such as Super-Os, I feel it might be less safe than when making love, which is the main focus of The Multiorgasmic Man. If Mantak Chia advised people to use this technique during Aneros sessions, then I would have to strongly disagree.
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09/19/2022 6:48 pm
I've had a tiny taste of what Kundalini Syndrome can be and wrote about it on the forum a few years ago. I was extremely lucky to have escaped the worst unscathed. You're right, it's not something to mess with.
Good on you, I truly mean it. Whatever you did to keep this under control, you did great and made the right choices.
I was really, really dumb about it, made the wrong choices and I really regret it, but hey, I can't change the past. It's much better not having to deal with this in the first place.
09/20/2022 7:39 am
I feel it will be even worse if someone does the work without believing the energy is real, if this makes any sense.
I couldn't agree more with this statement and that was exactly the trap I fell into back in the days of my episode. Being a rookie, eager to experience epic sensations, I forged ahead with the practice with no regards to any bad consequences (probably didn't even know about them). It took me a while to figure out that, unless you push the energy back down through the front channel, bringing up 'large gulps' of energy into my coconut is a sure way to invite bad side effects. Lesson learned! Learn to walk before you run...
Today, I consider myself Aneros and prostate-play mature; I know more about my body and mind today, at 67, than I ever did in the past. I do practice energy transfer on a daily basis and I feel positive effects on my health (unless it's a mirage).
I'm also wondering about your opinion the negative effects of 'breath of fire'; something else that some experts project as a positive effect on good health.
09/20/2022 8:06 am
I was really, really dumb about it, made the wrong choices and I really regret it, but hey, I can't change the past. It's much better not having to deal with this in the first place.
You must've had one heck of a bad experience for you to have such a strong opinion and strong urge to warn our fellow forum members. I hope your recovery was quick my friend.
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09/20/2022 9:12 am
Being a rookie, eager to experience epic sensations, I forged ahead with the practice with no regards to any bad consequences (probably didn't even know about them). It took me a while to figure out that, unless you push the energy back down through the front channel, bringing up 'large gulps' of energy into my coconut is a sure way to invite bad side effects. Lesson learned! Learn to walk before you run...
Yes. If some exercises are on Chapter 8 of a book, then you're supposed to be proficient with the material from Chapter 1 to 7. Those techniques in their intended context are probably quite safe, but when taken out of context, without even knowing that other chapters exist, it can certainly cause issues. If you do things gradually and don't skip steps, it's much more likely you will get a positive experience and benefits.
I'm also wondering about your opinion the negative effects of 'breath of fire'; something else that some experts project as a positive effect on good health.
I feel that "breath of fire" is kind of an intermediate technique. I found myself doing it spontaneously during Super-O sessions and I wondered what was happening, if I was hyper-ventilating or what. It's staple of Kundalini Yoga and since we don't necessarily want to stir Kundalini, I'd stay away from it during sessions.
Some YouTube videos call it psychedelic breathing or claim that it will release stored DMT, etc. Several variations are out there, and it's hard to know which is the "real" thing and which is designed to try to get you high. Again, taken out of context, there's no telling what someone will stumble upon and if it will come with the appropriate warnings and foundation work. We find ourselves in a Wild West situation where every technique is out there without any framework.
To me, Aneros practice is its own thing, and we must be somewhat careful when we pick and choose bits from other practices and mix them together in our eagerness to reach Super-Os. These combinations could work very well for some and have side effects for others. A very aroused and pleasured mind is not always a clear mind. There's no 2000 years old Aneros tradition, while we often say it's some kind of Tantra, there are very unique things with the Aneros devices that we don't see anywhere else.
This does not mean that a meditation or spiritual practice cannot be very healthy and beneficial, it's just that some things should be separated and others can be combined, and right now I don't personally have a complete picture of which is which. I honestly have very little experience of doing any organized practice "in the right order" and from the beginning, I was borrowing left and right the things that seemed to have some Super-O potential. It worked great until it did not. I guess I knew just enough to get myself in trouble, and I want people to avoid that pitfall.
09/20/2022 9:33 am
This is a wonderful post. Love it when people talk the hard truth and admit it ain’t all sunshine and rainbows.
I think the best chance to avoid the horrors is when ppl ramp up in stages.
I guess if you’re stoned,you might get pushed past the terror gates and things will move to fast for your mind to keep up.
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09/20/2022 10:08 am
I was really, really dumb about it, made the wrong choices and I really regret it, but hey, I can't change the past. It's much better not having to deal with this in the first place.
You must've had one heck of a bad experience for you to have such a strong opinion and strong urge to warn our fellow forum members. I hope your recovery was quick my friend.
It was both wonderful at first, and terrible at the end. I think I went through the actual Kundalini Awakening with all the positive and hard to believe stuff, then stupidly abused this state until it morphed into the bad things. I went up and down for almost 2 years, from December of 2019 to around May of 2021, and I learned immensely about myself, but I let my health go. Now I'm pretty much back to where I was when I started. 3 years is in no way a trivial amount of time. I was extremely lucky to have a great friend to whom I could describe the whole experience in detail, and this was a vital part of my recovery.
The worst part is how much I enjoy the Aneros practice and how strongly about I feel about it, and how this clashed with what I went through. Obviously, I could not advise people on how to reach Super-Os if they could trigger this terrible "dark night of the soul" experience. This was very depressing to me. It took me a long time to piece things together to the point I understood that Super-Os are one thing, Kundalini is another, and that you just don't mix both. You can likely go as far as you want in the Aneros practice without triggering anything bad, and this was an incredible relief to me when I came to terms with this.
The last thread from a user reporting dark suicidal ideas, then another fearing a heart attack pushed me to share more about this. It's really disheartening to come here and read about such things, and I think it's important to try and prevent them from happening if we can.
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09/20/2022 10:24 am
Yeah, I think my worst mistake was adding THC to the mix, for one reason or another it just had such a powerful effect and made everything fit perfectly. Then I got curious, and you know some choice bits about the rest. With the right strains, the arousal was just so strong it overpowered everything else. The same state can be reached sober, but you won't be able to do it so often that you wear yourself out. I judge myself very harshly for this, because maybe I could have avoided all the bad stuff and I would have been even further today. To an outside observer, I would have looked no better than the Jackass crew with some of the decisions I made along the way.
09/20/2022 4:33 pm
Yes. If some exercises are on Chapter 8 of a book, then you're supposed to be proficient with the material from Chapter 1 to 7.
Bingo, that's the mistake I'm guilty of making back when I first got the book; I was reading the first chapters all the way to the topic of the 'the big draw' and stopped at chapter 4, 'Know your Partner'. I have a partner but being in a sexless marriage, I was not interested in reading that section and didn't bother to go further. I didn't pay attention to the warnings outlined just before that section. I figured I had enough to plough ahead and go for the promised multiple orgasms; rookie mistake that I paid for but certainly not at the level you did in your experience.
A few weeks ago, I decided to reread the book so the timing of this topic peaked my interest.
It was both wonderful at first, and terrible at the end. I think I went through the actual Kundalini Awakening with all the positive and hard to believe stuff, then stupidly abused this state until it morphed into the bad things. I went up and down for almost 2 years, from December of 2019 to around May of 2021, and I learned immensely about myself, but I let my health go. Now I'm pretty much back to where I was when I started. 3 years is in no way a trivial amount of time. I was extremely lucky to have a great friend to whom I could describe the whole experience in detail, and this was a vital part of my recovery.
I'm sorry that you had to go through the rough times you did and I'm happy you found a way to overcome your predicament. I now understand why you took the time to warn other members of the potential disastrous consequences of playing with our natural body's electrical system.
It took guts and courage to share details of your experience. I feel bad in pushing for more details; thanks for sharing.
It took me a long time to piece things together to the point I understood that Super-Os are one thing, Kundalini is another, and that you just don't mix both. You can likely go as far as you want in the Aneros practice without triggering anything bad, and this was an incredible relief to me when I came to terms with this.
This is great advice for everyone! I wish I could say I knew about not mixing the type of pleasures you're talking about but I would be lying. I don't mix 'energy moving' in my Aneros sessions simply because I was never able to make them work together. Aneros play is focused below my equator while tantric sensations are in my brain.
This is a wonderful post. Love it when people talk the hard truth and admit it ain’t all sunshine and rainbows.
I agree with you! This is the beauty of sharing our most personal feelings and experiences amongst our peers; something I can't do in my world even to my best friends.
BTW, @zentai, I'm thrilled you had someone you could could count on to guide you through your endeavour. In my camp, I'd be in serious trouble.
Life is wonderful.
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09/20/2022 5:38 pm
This is great advice for everyone! I wish I could say I knew about not mixing the type of pleasures you're talking about but I would be lying. I don't mix 'energy moving' in my Aneros sessions simply because I was never able to make them work together. Aneros play is focused below my equator while tantric sensations are in my brain.
I don't know if it's a universal truth or not, but in my case as long as I don't mix too many things, I feel I will be safe going forward. I remember calling Aneros practice "Nirvana without mysticism" and while that could be true, other approaches "with mysticism" worked very well for a very long time. Maybe they are just not compatible? Just like Buddhism and Hinduism have different number of chakras and you can't just mix and match and expect things to fit...
It took guts and courage to share details of your experience. I feel bad in pushing for more details; thanks for sharing.
Don't worry, I'll probably never share the very best and very worst, but I feel it's important to show the scope of the experience. It's not about being scared of the Super-O, I still feel there should be "an Aneros for every butt", but there are some do's and don'ts and as we grow as a community, we all get to learn more about how things work.
BTW, @zentai, I'm thrilled you had someone you could could count on to guide you through your endeavour. In my camp, I'd be in serious trouble.
You can't believe how much weight was off my shoulders when I finally opened up about my situation. I don't think I would have been able to do the same with a stranger (doctor or therapist).
09/21/2022 7:51 am
Don't worry, I'll probably never share the very best and very worst, but I feel it's important to show the scope of the experience.
You better,don’t forget,I’ll be here to kick your ass if you don’t 😉
You can't believe how much weight was off my shoulders when I finally opened up about my situation. I don't think I would have been able to do the same with a stranger (doctor or therapist).
That’s why community is so important. Take roygers post,I bet his drs think he just jabbed the prostate to hard. After all,they won’t understand the situation,they aren’t trained for it. The journey like war,the best people to talk to about it is fellow soldiers who’ve been through it.
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09/21/2022 8:24 am
You better,don’t forget,I’ll be here to kick your ass if you don’t
For the "good" things, try to find an old post of mine about ejaculating the universe and see how crazy the whole thing was. The bad stuff is bad enough I don't really want to revisit it right now, the worst of it was outside of sessions so it's more or less pertinent, but I can say the real world really lost its luster after too many visits to the O-world.
According to some studies, after abusing your dopamine system, it takes as long as 18 months for things to go back to baseline. No matter what part, if any, Kundalini or energy plays, you're still interacting with your basic biology and reward system. Anything you feel or experience is still your good ol' brain doing its thing and trying to make sense of inputs.
The journey like war,the best people to talk to about it is fellow soldiers who’ve been through it.
I don't feel it's right to compare the two, but I get your meaning. I don't see Aneros practice as a battle. I used PTSD as a comparison so maybe I prompted this, but knowing some guys who suffer from it, I much prefer whatever I went through.
The link with PTSD, which we associate with combat vets but can affect anyone, was to show that in some case, witnessing something traumatic can affect brain function and science accepts this, so maybe they should accept Kundalini trauma as something equally real. The best doctor would be one who dealt with it himself, but I don't know if this guy exists.
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09/21/2022 9:29 am
Yeah, the idea is that I don't understand how doctors can't see that there could be a link between a strong emotional experience and a stress response. Just because the experience is caused by something which is unusual to them should not mean anything.
You'll likely get better support if you see a therapist because you think you were abducted by aliens or because some racoons jump-scared you while you were getting your trash out.
The Chinese Society of Psychiatry recognizes Qi-Gong deviation as a diagnostic. This wiki link is interesting in how it shows Western medicine pointing to latent psychosis rather than accepting the possibility.
While I'm not in a position to tell anyone that Qi-Gong deviation is the same as Kundalini syndrome, sometimes 2+2 = 4 and it's hard not to see similarities. This parts stands out :
"Within the qigong community, Zou huo ru mo is believed to be caused by improper practice:[21]
- Inexperienced or unqualified instructor
- Incorrect instructions
- Impatience
- Becoming frightened, irritated, confused, or suspicious during the course of qigong practice
- Inappropriate focus, interpreted as "inappropriate channeling of qi (life energy)."
I guess Terror at the Gate can be a trigger...
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09/21/2022 2:41 pm
I don't believe in any of this stuff. I think there are medical explanations that don't involve some kind of mystical energy.
If it's not medical, than psychological.
Fair enough. In the West, the DSM-IV recognizes Qi-gong psychotic reaction:
a] term describing an acute, time-limited episode characterized by dissociative, paranoid, or other psychotic or non-psychotic symptoms that may occur after participation in the Chinese folk health-enhancing practice of qigong. Especially vulnerable are individuals who become overly involved in the practice.
I guess they would treat Kundalini syndrome as the same thing, and nothing tells us they are not the same in the first place. They do recognize the problem is triggered by doing energy work, or as I understand it, by believing you're doing energy work. So, they would say it's "in people's head". That could be an explanation in some cases.
But I fail to see what the trigger is when people do not believe in any mystical stuff and just use the Aneros normally (breathing and contractions) and yet, something still happens. What's the mechanism here ?
09/21/2022 9:06 pm
I'm really sorry about what you went through. People who haven't gone through it themselves can't really imagine what it feels like. I haven't had kundalini awakening, but I did have something else that I haven't found a description yet, which left me just a shell of what I was.
My experience was also preceded by the most intense and beautiful super O, so it was also kind of ruined. And the reason for that was lsd which I took in order to help push my aneros progress.
Before you experience something like that, it's hard to believe your mind / body can be affected like that. It all seems like a bunch of pseudoscience. But when you do, it can't be returned and you're changed forever.
Pushing your mind / body for something it is not ready yet is a recipe for disaster.
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09/22/2022 7:11 am
I'm really sorry about what you went through.
And I'm sorry you also had to experience this.
My experience was also preceded by the most intense and beautiful super O, so it was also kind of ruined. And the reason for that was lsd which I took in order to help push my aneros progress.
Drugs along with Super-Os surely are risky. For me all it took was a puff. Trivial amounts. And a particular context that allowed me to keep going. I can't ever recommend THC and Aneros now. I tried to negotiate with myself, to find a way that would make things safe, but this is like playing with matches in the fireworks factory. THC, mushrooms, lsd...
But when you do, it can't be returned and you're changed forever.
Things get better, I found lots of positives, but it took a long time. My life is different.
People who haven't gone through it themselves can't really imagine what it feels like. I haven't had kundalini awakening, but I did have something else that I haven't found a description yet, which left me just a shell of what I was.
Dark night of the soul is the best description I found. I don't know what it truly is but it's not depression. For me there was a logic to it that made me think: "Of course I feel this way as a direct result of what I did and what I experienced. Now what ?" One moment things are perfect beyond your wildest dreams, and then it's the opposite. This brings a lot of questions which we are ill-equipped to answer.
Of course, I'm not a doctor, and everyone experiencing something similar should get a proper diagnostic, etc.
I hope things will soon get better for you. The last year has been pretty good to me with more ups than down, of course there's no getting back the lost time, but I can feel improvement each day. Hang in there.
09/22/2022 11:16 am
Thank you for good words. I did hear about "Dark night of the soul" and I thought I might have it, but now it seems it's just who I am now. A lot of things have changed about me. I now joke I have cheap version of enlightenment - no desires, but no contentment either 🙂
I guess life is what it is. I'm just keeping an open mind and waiting. Maybe things will change - stranger things have happened.
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09/22/2022 11:28 am
Even after all of this, I don't regret my Super-O adventures and I still think that Aneros could be as big as Apple if things picked up. And I'm still having sessions, without any worries.
Mistakes will be made, just as we do not put lead in paint and gasoline anymore because we know better, I hope the same will happen with Super-O seeking. Personality, I have a pretty clear idea of exactly how things played out for me, and I know what to avoid now. If we can find and eliminate the elements that tend to trigger bad outcomes, then we can create a worry-free experience for everyone.
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09/22/2022 11:42 am
A lot of things have changed about me. I now joke I have cheap version of enlightenment - no desires, but no contentment either.
Sums it up pretty nicely. Kind of an incomplete ego death, right ? Keep chopping wood and carrying water, look for contentment in small things done the right way. A lot of the things you're not bothering with anymore never were important in the first place, so don't feel bad about these, but make sure you use the energy you do have to take care of the actually important stuff.
09/22/2022 11:58 am
Keep chopping wood and carrying water, look for contentment in small things done the right way.
Setting goals,even small ones are great for one’s equilibrium. Helps keep the mind focused and balanced. If that fails,there’s always heavy ass deadlifts 🙂
09/22/2022 6:27 pm
No drugs ever would be better.
im tempted to argue that x works for me (breath holding, rough seas…), and that I don’t see the danger and actually see more of a benefit than anything, but I haven’t dealt with psychosis.
However I do think many drugs can be on the same level as orgasmic sensations (it’s hard to hierarchically qualify different states of perfection). I mean, no offense, but you haven’t had a huge experience with drugs (probably no reason to take offense at that actually), and hot damnation, some moments on drugs are pure bliss. Not saying they aren’t dangerous, just saying they can be wildly orgasmic (and aside from orgasms they can have tons of benefits). I surely don’t recommend taking drugs, but more importantly, I don’t recommend NOT taking drugs.
09/22/2022 6:34 pm
Wait a second I think I misread that sentence. I read “no drugs ever would be better (than aless)” but maybe you meant “no drugs ever would be better (than taking drugs)”
Two Semantically different reads there. Good stuff.
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09/22/2022 7:29 pm
im tempted to argue that x works for me (breath holding, rough seas…), and that I don’t see the danger and actually see more of a benefit than anything, but I haven’t dealt with psychosis.
Yep, "x" works really well. What we need to see is will "x" also potentially trigger issues. Of course, if we remove everything that has a tiny chance of doing something, then maybe there is no S-O left and we can all just jerk off normally and forget about all of this nonsense... It's not a simple issue. If I'm really pushing for more people to hop on the Super-O train, who am I to decide how much "collateral damage" is acceptable or not...
However I do think many drugs can be on the same level as orgasmic sensations (it’s hard to hierarchically qualify different states of perfection). I mean, no offense, but you haven’t had a huge experience with drugs (probably no reason to take offense at that actually), and hot damnation, some moments on drugs are pure bliss. Not saying they aren’t dangerous, just saying they can be wildly orgasmic (and aside from orgasms they can have tons of benefits). I surely don’t recommend taking drugs, but more importantly, I don’t recommend NOT taking drugs.
Hehe, no offense taken. In my case, knowing what even THC does, I decided nothing is safe for me. Since I can do Aless (or could, anyway...), then any altered state can likely trigger out-of-control Os. Not something I would want. I don't care to experience any stronger high than the S-O + THC combo gave me, and I don't want to "see" more things than I saw already. Since I'm honestly scared off the outcome, things would most likely turn into a bad trip. In a way, I burned that bridge. Some things we do just have permanent consequences. Not worth dwelling on it.
Just for fun: In the last 3 months of 2021, my government sold 190 million dollars of THC product to my fellow Quebecers, and yet I don't see any headlines about increased psychosis. People party left and right with various substances and end up fine. In our somewhat special hobby, if you see a very strong interaction with a substance and your Super-O sessions, it would be prudent to consider if it's worth taking a risk. Needless to say, 0 drug, 0 risk of strange interaction. It all comes down to personal choice. Sober Os are clearly the cleanest high. I'm a relatively simple man, I think I'm fine with a single state of perfection, and knowing they are different flavors of Super-Os, I don't see it as a limiting factor. Others will disagree, and they get to decide if it's safe for them or not.
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09/22/2022 7:37 pm
Wait a second I think I misread that sentence. I read “no drugs ever would be better (than aless)” but maybe you meant “no drugs ever would be better (than taking drugs)”
Two Semantically different reads there. Good stuff.
Nah, unclear statements are bad statements. I meant that not taking any drug at any time would be even better. But where do we draw the line, alcohol, sugar, caffeine, nicotine ? Medication ? I can't see how ADD meds would not interact with a session, for example. Generally speaking, being as sober as possible is the safest thing you can do. Beyond that statement, as you said, I have little experience.
09/23/2022 12:02 am
I am not sure I would recommend to anybody who doesn't do THC, to start for aneros. I think it would be fairly safe to say that a person like myself who has been smoking weed for 50yrs, is not likely to have bad reaction. I still remember when I first started smoking weed, I had quite a few friends it didn't agree with, and they had a bad trip. What I might recommend a person gets high a few times seperate from aneros, just to be sure it agrees with them. I myself can't imagine not being high. Example, when I first started down my aneros hole, I had strange exp. when I was learning to connect my nipples, I put my feet in the air 90% from my waist. Suddenly it felt like someone was grabbing my ankles one at a time, lifting my ass cheek off the bed , and releasing it would come down in slow motion and when it hit the bed there was vibration in my prostate. It was creepy and so erotic at the same time. I think the the fact that in my younger days I did some phsychedelic drugs, this didn't freak me right the fuck out. I can't imagine how such a thing would affect a non drug user.
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