New and not sure what’s going on.

Posted by: @wandering

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I have had some pretty extremely intense spasms (would not quite call these orgasms) and during these i get prostate fluid that will leak slowly from my penis, this normally occurs when I get a really intense spasm.  The spasms are both my sphincter muscle and anus muscles contracting intensely.  Like many others have mentioned i feel intense pleasure, make unintelligible sounds, shake etc, but I also empty my bowels.

First I'd like to welcome you to the Aneros Forums and congratulate you for doing due diligence with the reading. It needs to be noted that prostate based orgasms are qualitatively different from penile induced orgasms. I would say from your description you are indeed having orgasms and you are giving yourself a prostate milking at the same time.

Posted by: @wandering

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I’ve tried enemas and everything else i can think of to try and clean everything out only to be dismayed that when I do manage to do this, the spasms are not nearly as intense.

When you say you empty your bowels are you actually defecating? I know that prostate massagers can induce peristalsis but if you have performed an enema there should be nothing left to empty. I don't know why the orgasmic spasms would be less intense except that you may have lingering concerns from performing the enema. This is a psychological issue to be worked through.

Posted by: @wandering

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I have found that to achieve these spasms i have to stimulate the sphincter muscles (innermost one) or at least immediately adjacent to that.  So am i reaching my prostrate, I don’t know, I would assume so but the thing is, I only get the prostrate fluid once I’ve triggered the spasm, not by just slowly stimulating the prostrate.

I would surmise you are indeed contacting your prostate as the 'milking' action would indicate from the rhythmic orgasmic contractions.

Posted by: @wandering

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My assumption is that i am getting some sort of anal orgasm instead of a prostrate orgasm, if there is such a thing.

Yes, anal orgasms (orgasms from anal stimulation alone) are a thing but what you have described is most likely a prostate orgasm.

Posted by: @wandering

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I can replicate what happens to me from zero to full spasm in 4-5 minutes just by thrusting the toy in and out. Not sure what I am doing wrong.

4-5 minutes to get to prostate orgasm is pretty darn fast. The only thing I think you are doing wrong is manually manipulating your massager. I think you will be much better served if you take your time to more slowly build to your orgasm by utilizing only your pelvic floor muscles to move your massager. Your pleasure will be stretched out over a longer period of time and the resulting orgasm will likely be more intense as well.

Good Vibes to You!

Incredible, lucky you, Your already in super o territory. Except for the bowel movement thing, which I would guess your not cleaning them out fully before you start. Are you flushing till the water is clear? Do stop manipulating your the device manually. Another thing I will tell you is, one of the hardest thing to wrap your head around, is that you are entering into a new world of orgasms. They can happen anywhere in your body. Rewiring is not just a word. You've already started the process. Your cock is only one of the stars in this movie. In fact I had an anal orgasm the other night, usually it moves to encompass everything. This one didn't, when it subsided and then ramped back up again,felt like my asshole was trying to kiss my prostate, best anal orgasm to date . Its hard to grow when your using a compared to a penile orgasm mentality. Savor every change as it comes your way, I often say if I only new then what I know now, I would have enjoyed that more. 

  Also, Welcome to theweird wonderful world of Aneros

Thank you for the valuable input, describing what happens is hard to put into words.  Peristalsis = yes!  It seems that when they hit they contractions are so intense that anything anywhere in the colon is coming out, even when I have used several enemas.  I will need to explore that a bit more on cleaning prior to play.  Yes it doesn’t take long for me to have the first one, I think as much with the anticipation helping, I was able to stay clean last night for a more protracted session and I finally gave up after my body could not take anymore.

I will try for a longer session without manipulating the device with my hands, after a point it feels so good I just can’t stand it and I’m hovering on explosion, can’t resist and move it then boom.

Posted by: @wandering

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I was able to stay clean last night for a more protracted session and I finally gave up after my body could not take anymore.

When you say you gave up, what does that mean? What couldn't you take anymore? Pleasure? I know describing these sensations can be quite difficult as there really are no words for them. We use the term P-waves (pleasure waves) but even that is not very descriptive. Terms like tingles, buzzing, electric jolts, chills, hot and cold flushes, etc. are all inadequate but they are all we have.

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I will try for a longer session without manipulating the device with my hands, after a point it feels so good I just can’t stand it and I’m hovering on explosion, can’t resist and move it then boom.

Good for you! It sounds like you are having a Super-O, I think you are already where you want to be, don't overthink it, don't fall prey to imagining a Super-O (Aneros WIKI definition) as something other than what it is. Please read @Buster 's thread What exactly is a Super-O? to get a wider perspective of what a Super-O is in reality

Good Vibes to You!

@wandering

The clean out prep is essential, and for me takes as long as 45 minutes (but so worth it!). It's possible you are using too much water - one full enema bulb syringe and you in turn expel and repeat the process, each time thinking you completely expelled the effluent, when in fact, some has been retained further up, only to be provoked to exit with the stimulation. I find it helpful to do 2 flushes (expel after each) then get up and walk around/stand for 2-5 minutes and try to expel again. Repeat until fairly clear effluent is expelled - but be sure to walk/stand for 5 and give one extra try before insertion of Aneros.

If you detect that something doesn't "feel right" that interferes with a pleasant pressure on the prostate, remove the Aneros and use the toilet again to be sure. For me, some days the prep is a long time but insufficient prep ruins the session.

Not being able to take any more is due to the contractions being so strong that i end up sore (sphincter muscle mostly). If i have this right you have both muscles (sphincter the innermost and anus the outermost).  I also think that my prostrate gets the most stimulation from +/- 1” of the sphincter (inner muscle).  Otherwise I really can’t tell where my prostrate is on some occasions.  With other toys I can find the spot that feels pressure and makes you feel like you need to pee.  

I do know I can trigger these without touching the prostrate as far as i can tell.  I can use a very small diameter toy which i don’t think contacts the prostrate and only stimulates the muscles and trigger the contractions.  However i get the more prostrate fluid flow with a larger toy, it seems the larger the toy the more flow.  I do have to be careful to remove the larger toy when these hit though or I will really be sore.

When this hits both sphincter and anus muscles contract and it also seems that they compress, meaning at the beginning the sphincter and anus muscles are about 2 -3 inches apart, during the contraction they are nearly coincident or less than one inch apart.  

I regularly end up with tears in my eyes (not from pain) after one of these occurs.  After the first one i am so sensitive that I almost launch again just re-inserting the aneros.  I do make those unintelligible sounds people describe with the most prominent being a growl.  Strangely though I don’t really think i get the involuntaries that often, i do get the shakes but those are quickly gone.  I have only experienced the “buzzing” in my anal region once or twice early on in my journey and that was pure bliss.  I would love to figure out how to get that back.

Basically my problem appears to be the fact that i am triggering “peristalsis” no matter what I do.  Which according to definition is actually what happens to me and brings the intense pleasure, it is these contractions that trigger the prostrate flow and seems the center of the orgasm.  The only problem is that maybe there is something that happens at the same time and seems to bring effluent from other parts of the colon or digestive tract.  It is so aggravating that I have a supply of “puppy pads” and wet wipes on standby.

Another drawback to this is that “any” lube whether it is a jelly or liquid form gets expelled during the O so this could get expensive.

Maybe take Loperamide (Imodium) the night before and morning of a session.....?

I have to ask , have you ever suffered from any type of IBS? Not sure if this has been mnetioned already, but it could be the lube your using. I know for me there are some lubes  I can't use, as in very short order, I have to have a bowl movement. 

Never had IBS, i have been using water based Lube so maybe i should try a different brand.