Unusual Aneros and Super-Orgasm Theories

Posted by: @zentai

The refractory period's main purpose is to prevent us from experiencing Super-Os.

This may be politically incorrect, not so sure the refractory period was a way to prevent us from experiencing Super-Os, but perhaps on a very primitive level, it was a mechanism to insure we preserved enough sperm for the next partner or partners, maybe during the same night.

Posted by: @zentai

The refractory period's main purpose is to prevent us from experiencing Super-Os.

I can't quite agree with this statement. While a refractory period may be a side effect reducing the possibility of a Super-O I think it makes more sense as a resource (semen) conservation strategy biologically and as way of encouraging other males to copulate with an ovulating female thus increasing the odds of reproductive success for the tribe/group/clan.

Posted by: @zentai

So any method that can trigger an orgasm and skip the refractory period can be used to reach Super-O states.... so any Dry-O has the potential to cascade into Super-Os.

Yeah I think that's true.

Posted by: @zentai

Evolutionary speaking, does it make sense to have the possibility of Super-O (great duration and pleasure levels) but to cut the orgasm right at the start after a few seconds ?

No, that doesn't make sense. I think we can take a look at our most closely related (genetically) species for some clues here. Bonobo chimpanzees are well known to be bi-sexual so obviously reproduction is not the primary incentive for their behavior, pleasure is a component of their social structure to maintain cohesiveness within the group. While there is no way of knowing for sure, the possibility exists some males experience something like a Super-O from intercourse with another male member of the tribe. This is not unlike what a human male might experience from anal sex. Thus our early ancestors may have accidentally been developing/evolving this ability into our genetic code.

Posted by: @zentai

Is the Super-Orgasm one the body's healing mechanism ?

It could be. This forum has had discussions about therapeutic effects these types of orgasms have on the psyche. I don't know if anyone can determine if nature "intended" this to be true. I do think that our modern social structures have enculturated so many psychological barriers/taboos which have taken us away from acting out in our more primitive/instinctive ways such that reaching a suitable psychological state of ease makes Super-O's more difficult.

I definitely agree this mysterious phenomenon (Super-O's) needs to be studied in greater depth than we can do in this forum. Such study is likely to be controversial and unlikely to receive much funding given the present social attitudes regarding sexual behaviors. These attitudes take a long time to change, it probably won't happen in my lifetime.

Good Vibes to You!

Interesting subject!

Posted by: @zentai

The refractory period's main purpose is to prevent us from experiencing Super-Os.

I have pondered on the refractory period for some time, and finally came to the conclusion that it was linked to the shape of the human penis, which is significantly different from that of other mammals.

The human penis seems to be designed as a sort of evacuation pump. If you thrust a penis into a vagina, any fluid within it will tend to be squeezed against the "back wall", then under pressure will ooze past the "cleft". Now that the fluid is behind the head, on the out stroke, it will be pulled out of the vagina.

Now why would you want to evacuate your own sperm? No, the idea is to get rid of the sperm of the guy who preceded you in that vagina, thus giving yourself a better chance of reproducing! (This gives some idea of female promiscuity in the distant past.)

This is where the refractory period comes in. If you keep erect and thrusting after delivering your "load", you will evacuate your own sperm, and diminish your chances of passing on your genes. So it's perfectly logical to lose your erection and any desire to thrust, until your sperm has had the time to do it's "job".

I did a search, and it turned out that somebody else shares my theory on the penis shape:

The human penis as a semen displacement device

Posted by: @zentai

The refractory period's main purpose is to prevent us from experiencing Super-Os.

Not necessarily. It could also be to give the testicle,hormone and chemical systems time to recover and re-load,so the male will desire to reproduce again and be at max fertility. As anyone who has went subsequent rounds during sex will know,the loads get smaller the more rounds you go,and TO are weaker,that’s not helpful in a reproduction sense.Also,with the super sensitivity that comes with a TO,that will usually stop a male from thrusting and giving the sperm time to enter the initial stages of its journey through the cervix. Depending on ovulation,it takes as little as 45 mins for sperm to reach the egg,although once sperm has entered the egg,it bolts the doors and no other sperm may enter,so it doesn’t matter what males mate the female from that point on. So I would guess we aren’t required for a time after mating has taken place.

Posted by: @zentai

Did our early ancestors experiment Super-Orgasm during "normal sex" as a major incentive to reproduce ? 

If we are talking Neanderthal man,I doubt they experimented with much other than pump and dump lol. I don’t think they’d have had the smarts to figure out how to by-pass ejaculation. I think later on humans began to explore things as there are texts from at least Egyptian times discussing orgasms.

Posted by: @zentai

If Super-O states were better understood and methods were devised to reach them easily and control their intensity, I believe they could be used to treat several health issues, both mental and physical. Is the Super-Orgasm one the body's healing mechanism ? Is it "intended" to be that way? If so, why doesn't it happen by itself when needed?  

Sure,prostate orgasm could definitely have an effect on mental health like depression,possibly anxiety. Although ejacualtion and sex it’s self does lower cortisol on the body. Not sore about it treating cancers or things like that.

@rumel

Posted by: @rumel

I think we can take a look at our most closely related (genetically) species for some clues here. Bonobo chimpanzees are well known to be bi-sexual so obviously reproduction is not the primary incentive for their behavior, pleasure is a component of their social structure to maintain cohesiveness within the group. While there is no way of knowing for sure, the possibility exists some males experience something like a Super-O from intercourse with another male member of the tribe. This is not unlike what a human male might experience from anal sex. Thus our early ancestors may have accidentally been developing/evolving this ability into our genetic code.

 

I’m not so sure there is a link between bi and homosexuality and super o. It’s seems paradoxical to do so and then say our social structuring creates taboos preventing us from reaching super o. Gay guys might experience super -o during sex. That does actually infer it’s more of a ‘gay thing’. So it’s actually pretty easy to see how the taboo came about in the first place lol (this passage makes sense to me hahaha). Not forgetting that PO along with gay sex are actually anti reproduction,as no ejaculation or fertilisation occurs. We have always had prostates and always had the abilities,they weren’t created by gay people for us. It would also prove true that no gay guy ever needed the forum or a toy as super o would be an everyday occurrence for them. 

What I think is that hormones are all that really separates the sexes. So,a womens orgasm is accompanied by contractions to help propel the sperm up toward the tubes,the male orgasm contraction helps to propel too. So a women is set up to orgasm with more than one partner to ensure the job is done. Since we are the other side of the humanoid,we have the same equipment,clit/glans/g spot/prostate. It makes sense we have the same abilities as a female,but we have the added job of erection,thrust,ejaculate,then recharge.

She drops one egg per month,can only get pregnant once,then she’s out of the game for nearly a year. We need to impregnate other women,so we need to be able recharge on a constant cycle or we’d only breed once in nearly a year too.We kinda mirror each other. But if we super o all the time,that would be counter productive. Take the guys post of a few months back,telling us he has problems with his wife  because he refuses to have sex with her because he’d rather play with his prostate. A perfect example of why nature put reproductive sex in the driving seat and mmo in the back seat. Now we are learning how to change seats. All in all,super o is a risk to reproduction that nature just didn’t want to take the chance on so we had to figure it out and work for it. 

You guys have been busy! Too much stuff to cover all at once, but I think this part is very important: 

Posted by: @rumel

I definitely agree this mysterious phenomenon (Super-O's) needs to be studied in greater depth than we can do in this forum. Such study is likely to be controversial and unlikely to receive much funding given the present social attitudes regarding sexual behaviors. These attitudes take a long time to change, it probably won't happen in my lifetime.

I don't think it's possible to go to the bottom of things regarding why this phenomenon is triggered or what exact purpose it serves, regardless of how much resources we could throw at it. Lots of theories make sense, for example let's think of a "shoddy design decision", or nature taking the easiest path.  

You have this powerful pleasure mechanism that comes with ejaculation, you want this to motivate men to reproduce, but after ejaculation is done, it does not make sense to have it last longer than necessary. How do you turn it off once activated? Just have some signals and some chemicals that are triggered at the same time as ejaculation, and the time it takes for them to act on the body is basically how long the orgasm lasts. Then you ask, what if there is orgasm without ejaculation, won't that last for a very long time? Maybe tie the refractory period to the orgasm instead? Naaaaah, this won't happen, penile centric pleasure is so dominant that orgasming from another way is not something males will try to achieve, let's keep it simple. And bam, you have it. 

That's quite a simplistic way to look at it, but let's say it's the right explanation, it would be pretty bad to study this for years and throw millions only to discover that Super-Os are just a bypass trick or exploiting some evolutionary shortcut. Then what do we do with this information? 

Maybe this Forum can't solve the why, but it's likely we can solve the how, or at least we have the group of people who's the most likely to do this. I don't think the solution is to send people to Super-O university for a decade so they can get a Master in anthropological-super-orgasms and then study this for another decade and argue in field-specific publications until maybe something emerges. Some guys here already have the decades of experience, why look further? 

As a community WE are the experts on this, and solving the how shouldn't be outside of our reach with our current resources. 

And I derailed it already, hehe. 

Posted by: @helghast

If we are talking Neanderthal man,I doubt they experimented with much other than pump and dump lol. I don’t think they’d have had the smarts to figure out how to by-pass ejaculation.

This is very much a side issue, but I'm not so sure Neanderthals were a bunch of morons. They did make and wear jewelry and wore cosmetics storing them in clam shell compacts and buried their dead with ceremony. And 4% of our DNA is Neanderthal. We do know there was a lot of hanky-panky between our two species.

Posted by: @lanoix

I have pondered on the refractory period for some time, and finally came to the conclusion that it was linked to the shape of the human penis, which is significantly different from that of other mammals.

And we don't know what the shape of Neanderthal penis were, as @lanoix referenced with human shapes compared to other mammals. Much of this whether penis shape and refractory period comes down to reproduction. I'll add another, which is testosterone cycles. 

There are two cycles the first is every 24 hours the second has a wider range that has a peak where we become most interested in having sex for a few days up to as much as a few weeks. When we are in our teens and 20s this broader testosterone cycle closely matches female menstrual cycles roughly every 30 days and steadily slows down as we age to as much as every 60 days if we live into our 90s.

When gay and bisexual sex is considered, which is a normal human activity, pleasure becomes more the dominant issue rather than reproduction. From earlier civilizations MMO or S-Os were known and cultivated with Tantra and Tao. Could earlier humans have stumbled upon MMOs? Maybe.

Posted by: @zentai

As a community WE are the experts on this, and solving the how shouldn't be outside of our reach with our current resources. 

@zaqpol

I don’t think they were morons either. Just not advanced enough to explore sexuality for anything other than breeding. I do believe they probably had stronger TO than we did since they’d have had less external stimuli and way more testosterone since they didn’t eat shit,live in pollution etc.

Posted by: @helghast

Just not advanced enough to explore sexuality for anything other than breeding.

Or you could say they were not advanced enough to explore sexuality for anything other than pleasure. How clear was the link between sex and pregnancy at the beginning ? We could think they were having sex because it felt good and not sitting around the campfire trying to solve demographic issues. 

Posted by: @helghast

I do believe they probably had stronger TO than we did [...]

Up to the point of having small (or large) Super-Os? That's another one for me, that the Super-Orgasm might be "orgasming as it's meant to be" and that we just piled on layer after layer of "civilization" on it and now we have some puny trad-os that last mere seconds instead of the big show it's supposed to be. 

@zentai

Posted by: @zentai

Or you could say they were not advanced enough to explore sexuality for anything other than pleasure. How clear was the link between sex and pregnancy at the beginning ?

I think early man bred more on instinct than pleasure. They likely had the nerve endings but lacked the neural capabilities to feel pleasure like we do. Kinda like ‘they didn’t know what they had’. Like a prostate noob,they have a prostate yet feel nothing compared to you. Because they don’t know what they have yet. Plus,they had big game and predators etc to watch out for,were they able to take their time and explore? I’d reckon pump and dump ASAP.

Posted by: @zentai

Up to the point of having small (or large) Super-Os? That's another one for me, that the Super-Orgasm might be "orgasming as it's meant to be"

Probably had more test,more load,less stimuli so orgasm was probably strong,even if they didn’t quite appreciate it like later on. Only assumptions and guesses though lol.

Posted by: @helghast

Probably had more test,more load,less stimuli so orgasm was probably strong,even if they didn’t quite appreciate it like later on. Only assumptions and guesses though lol.

For sure, we don't have the faintest idea. A user here referenced "Sex at dawn" lately, and even that is just some guy's best guesses. To be honest we have very few novel sexual discoveries in general, which is weird since the mechanism are not even that well understood. Put "Why do men have a refractory period" in your favorite search engine and you'll see what I mean. We want to colonize Mars and yet, we don't even know how our dicks work...  

Edit : seems like prolactin is not what triggers the refractory period anymore. Or maybe not, we don't really know. Oops. Back to the drawing board, we know less this year than we knew last year... 

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/821446

@zentai

Once load is dumped,little point in thrusting on,so refractory signals the male to stop,plus as a doubleheader,let’s the old testes recharge. I’d guess if you went three rounds,the fertility would drop with each load,so refractory was maybe designed to cut down on that. I dunno,it’s a head wrecker. Besides,I’ve bred my kids and saved the species,I just wanna cum without cumming now while chomping on some diamond hard nipples. They fed the kids,now it’s my time,a mans gotta eat too 😉

@helghast

Yeah I'm not saying this isn't a simple and logical reason, just that to me, this should have been solved already. Apparently some researchers were looking at prolactin blockers to shorten the refractory period, I imagine this would be as popular as erection pills if it works, but still no results on that front for what I can find... Would this lead to Super-Os ? I don't think so since even a shorter refractory period implies that you have to build-back or ramp-up again. 

It's crazy to me that humanity has such an interest for studying outside things, how the universe, suns and planets work, but not that much for what is happening inside our own bodies and minds... I still think that Super-Os have potential to help with some mental issues, substance abuse (no experience with this) and abdominal issues from hyperactive bladder, tense pelvic floor and the like ( worked for me). Also tremendous help for single men, who get to experience an actual fulfilling sex-life, much better than just traditional masturbation. 

@zentai

It may also simply be a safety mechanism,as all our systems and heart rate etc go up during sex. I guess if there was no break,a man might fuck until he dies of a heart attack lol.

Keeping the period as short as can be would be age related over all and likely linked to lifestyle,fit,eat well,no smoke,no drink,no drugs or addiction probably would help to keep it down as much as possible. I think viagra would probably shorten it a little. But needing to for pure pleasure crosses over your duty for reproduction. Although pleasure is one element to encourage us to reproduce,that doesn’t mean nature intended you to continue once the job was done,pleasure may be be a privilege rather than a right.

Having said that,once you tap into the prostate journey,you bypass refractory period,so it might not need to be the worry that needs worried about!

Mental health yes,I’m am happier since I started my journey. How could i not be! 😉

Posted by: @helghast

Having said that,once you tap into the prostate journey,you bypass refractory period,so it might not need to be the worry that needs worried about!

Yes we can almost completely push it aside, it's a fun thinking exercise but after you get to consistent Super-Os, it's not really an important obstacle. "You too can skip the refractory period!" does seem like a good selling point. It not about just keeping on with your sexual activities, but also about avoiding the lethargic feelings and loss of energy. 

Posted by: @helghast

Mental health yes,I’m am happier since I started my journey. How could i not be!

Well that's easy, for successful people it's amazing, for struggling people it can become frustrating in a hurry. The benefits are not that easy to reach for everyone and that's what needs to be solved in my opinion. If no single method works for everyone, then let's find the 5, 6, 12 workable approaches and let's get people to try them until they find the right fit...  

@zentai

Posted by: @zentai

but also about avoiding the lethargic feelings and loss of energy. 

Very true.

Posted by: @zentai

Well that's easy, for successful people it's amazing, for struggling people it can become frustrating in a hurry. The benefits are not that easy to reach for everyone and that's what needs to be solved in my opinion. If no single method works for everyone, then let's find the 5, 6, 12 workable approaches and let's get people to try them until they find the right fit...  

Agreed. I hope you realise your dream of creating prostate 101 for dummies. I think there’s almost  enough info and techniques on the forum. Obstacles are the complication though,as you need honesty from guys about any issues they may be dealing with or obstacles they can’t get over. 

Posted by: @zentai

Well that's easy, for successful people it's amazing, for struggling people it can become frustrating in a hurry.

Speaking of unusual theories about Aneros and Super-O's and the difficulty of achieving pleasure, I rather like the theory about morphic fields.
This theory comes from the work of Rupert Sheldrake (wiki link).
By simplifying a lot, this theory says that the more an action is repeated in the world, the easier it becomes to do. It creates a kind of field, the morphic field, which facilitates a result. (Rupert link)
So, according to this theory, it could be that the greater the number of men capable of having prostatic orgasms, the easier it will be for new men to achieve a prostatic orgasm.
So let's get to work!

@morexp

The best thing about this theory is that you don't have to get some kind of device to measure an actual field or anything, because there is a very logical aspect to it in a more conventional way where you could talk about a ripple effect. It's clear to me that as long as success seems random and like a lot of trial and error, it's less attractive to give Super-Os a try, but if everyone started doing it, people would talk about it more, we'd see more success stories, which would build more interest, etc. So this makes the "field" more powerful. I don't know if we can measure ripple effects, but that's kind of the only way to get this more mainstream. And no matter what the exact mechanism is, the important thing is to get going. 

Posted by: @helghast

Agreed. I hope you realise your dream of creating prostate 101 for dummies. I think there’s almost  enough info and techniques on the forum. Obstacles are the complication though,as you need honesty from guys about any issues they may be dealing with or obstacles they can’t get over. 

Hey I sure hope Prostate 101 is doable. I'm convinced you're right, the info is already out there, or at least as much of it as anyone would need to get to some intermediate level, if there is such a thing. To me a huge obstacle is that you have all the building blocks, and everything seems to work for someone, so it's very easy to get lost in all the different methods, and it's also quite likely that you'll pick up some things that work good separately but are contradictory when you try to apply both at the same time...

@morexp

I wonder if men started the journey in teenage years,then went on to have kids. Could the kids have an easier ride on the journey because something might be handed down. I mean,most of the drs at my local surgery have kids who are drs too. Clearly that intelligence is running in the family!

@zentai

Posted by: @zentai

To me a huge obstacle is that you have all the building blocks, and everything seems to work for someone, so it's very easy to get lost in all the different methods, and it's also quite likely that you'll pick up some things that work good separately but are contradictory when you try to apply both at the same time...

And there it is! The one caveat that perhaps cannot be taught,that each man must take the blocks of the puzzle and put them together himself. That there is a small element that must come from within.

Posted by: @zentai

I don't know if we can measure ripple effects, but that's kind of the only way to get this more mainstream. And no matter what the exact mechanism is, the important thing is to get going.

Essentially that is what the Aneros forum has done and is doing. I've been a contributing member here for more than fourteen years now and have followed the growth and interest in prostate massage/orgasm not only here but on the internet in general as well. Thanks to the seminal postings of @B-Mayfield (see B's Keys and B's Best) some fundamental aspects of this practice became available to a wider audience. There is far greater interest and information available now than there was twenty years ago and I think this has largely been aided by the Aneros Forum. When I first joined this forum there were fewer than 5,000 members, now there are over 97,000 members and numerous websites, blogs, sub-reddits and pornography have come into existence in that time period which deal with prostate massage/orgasm. I don't know when we will reach a critical mass for this activity to really become mainstream in the society as a whole but I think we are definitely moving in that direction. It is members such as yourself who are contributing to this growth so I applaud your efforts to further expand this informational data base.

I have tried in my own way (please see Ideas for Spreading the Word...) to stimulate interest in and knowledge of this practice, hpoefully you will continue and add to this effort.

Posted by: @zentai

Well that's easy, for successful people it's amazing, for struggling people it can become frustrating in a hurry. The benefits are not that easy to reach for everyone and that's what needs to be solved in my opinion. If no single method works for everyone, then let's find the 5, 6, 12 workable approaches and let's get people to try them until they find the right fit...

That's much easier said than done. I think it is more a matter of sequencing numerous elements/aspects of usage, not unlike a combination lock with a hundred different numbers wherein each man has a different combination of numbers to completely open his prostate orgasm vault door. Some guys get to their combination early and others may find a few numbers which advance them but only get the door open slightly ajar. I wish there were a dozen or so identifiable methods that could be proposed but I think each man's individual unique physical/psychological makeup precludes such methods.

The Aneros WIKI does include references to a few of the posted methods proposed by some of our members but as I noted in the thread Super-O Myths & Illusions there is no particular formula which works consistently for men, even men who have obtained some consistency in their practice have noted periods that their practice produced null or dud sessions.

Posted by: @helghast

I think there’s almost enough info and techniques on the forum. Obstacles are the complication though,as you need honesty from guys about any issues they may be dealing with or obstacles they can’t get over.

Yes, this forum does hold much information about techniques which may lead to prostate orgasm expertise, unfortunately it's so spread out over the thousands of postings that newbies often find it daunting to ferret out. As far as obstacles go, I attempted to identify a number of them in the thread Identifying Obstacles to Progress and I would encourage you to add any obstacles you have identified be added to that thread.

Good Vibes to You!

Posted by: @rumel

Essentially that is what the Aneros forum has done and is doing. I've been a contributing member here for more than fourteen years now and have followed the growth and interest in prostate massage/orgasm not only here but on the internet in general as well.

That's true, much has been happening in the last 20 years or so, and this Forum is where I learned the basis myself so I can't argue with how important it is to the practice. 

Posted by: @rumel

I don't know when we will reach a critical mass for this activity to really become mainstream in the society as a whole but I think we are definitely moving in that direction.

I agree with this, we're going in the right direction, but it's going sooooo slow,  I'd rather not wait another 20 years for it, I'd like to see it happen and be here to participate. 

Posted by: @rumel

That's much easier said than done. I think it is more a matter of sequencing numerous elements/aspects of usage, not unlike a combination lock with a hundred different numbers wherein each man has a different combination of numbers to completely open his prostate orgasm vault door.

Yet you and a handful of other guys did it with the Wiki. I struggled with this a lot, about different methods all being valid, and none being more right than the others (of course a method that doesn't work for anyone is "less right" but no one will ever waste time devising such a method...) I alternated between thinking almost everything in the Wiki was right, to thinking most things were wrong, and back again several times, depending on where I was on my adventure and how well a particular thing worked or did not. 

What I think today is that you hit some kind of perfect storm "back then", by having a bunch of guy who happened to share compatible philosophies and could really made the "Wiki way" work for you, as a system all of you could pretty much agree on. (Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just guessing here.)

So you ended up with one of the (5,6,12 ??) approaches that works, and then it evolved organically  into what I like to call the "classical approach". It's pretty much self contained, it tells you where you are starting, where you'll end up if it works, it offers advice about how to think, how to build a philosophy. It also gives us our Aneros lexicon and vocabulary and a frame of reference with the milestones. If a guy had the right dispositions, he can take the Wiki and really make it work. If he doesn't, then there's a risk of getting stuck. That when it makes sense to try something different, and where I think (again, I'm making a more or less educated guess here) it falls apart for some guys.

I think that a lot of successful people followed the Wiki advice, and since it worked well for them, it makes it hard to grasp in some cases why some other guy is not making it work for himself.  I've been a victim of this several times where I was scratching my head about people getting stuck and the solution being so clear to me, except that solution would have been right for ME and didn't do much for them.  See the personal coaching experiment and how it didn't work all that well even if believed I had everything figured out...  All this to say that some guys will believe they're not working hard enough, or relaxing well enough, or flexing too hard, or any other thing, while the real issue is that they are not using an approach that's tailored to them. For example I'm convinced anxious people need to tackle this in a different way than more happy-go-lucky types. Some really detail-oriented guys will spend all their time wondering if they are "doing nothing" right and will miss all the benefits because their focus is at the wrong place and while they do have to "do-nothing" at some point, it has to be explained differently to take root.   

Spreading the word at this point is about getting our current members to succeed in greater numbers and at a good pace, get that morphic field going. If we can get this to happen I'm pretty sure things will take care of themselves.  

@zentai

I really enjoyed this comment 🙂

Posted by: @zentai

Yet you and a handful of other guys did it with the Wiki. I struggled with this a lot, about different methods all being valid, and none being more right than the others (of course a method that doesn't work for anyone is "less right" but no one will ever waste time devising such a method...) I alternated between thinking almost everything in the Wiki was right, to thinking most things were wrong, and back again several times, depending on where I was on my adventure and how well a particular thing worked or did not. 

This! So much on the wiki I thought “bullshit”. Yet now,those things add up and make sense.

Posted by: @zentai

So you ended up with one of the (5,6,12 ??) approaches that works, and then it evolved organically  into what I like to call the "classical approach". It's pretty much self contained, it tells you where you are starting, where you'll end up if it works, it offers advice about how to think, how to build a philosophy. It also gives us our Aneros lexicon and vocabulary and a frame of reference with the milestones. If a guy had the right dispositions, he can take the Wiki and really make it work. If he doesn't, then there's a risk of getting stuck. That when it makes sense to try something different, and where I think (again, I'm making a more or less educated guess here) it falls apart for some guys.

And that is one of the hidden downfalls. Sometimes it’s a case of lacking individual thinking. Follow the classic approach,it’s not working,or even a different approach isn’t working. The need for change or tweaking is there,but alot don’t instinctively follow that need. So it falls apart.

Posted by: @zentai

I think that a lot of successful people followed the Wiki advice, and since it worked well for them, it makes it hard to grasp in some cases why some other guy is not making it work for himself.

This can also be down to personal issues. Maybe the guy making the wiki work doesn’t doesn’t have any problems in physical,mental,sexual,relationship or life in general.

Posted by: @zentai

See the personal coaching experiment and how it didn't work all that well even if believed I had everything figured out.

But did you have all the info,you can’t blame yourself when they may be harbouring issues they haven’t shared with you.

Posted by: @zentai

Spreading the word at this point is about getting our current members to succeed in greater numbers and at a good pace, get that morphic field going. If we can get this to happen I'm pretty sure things will take care of themselves.  

One of the problems I see is some people come here,get what they need and then bail. Or maybe they don’t,so give up and bail. The rise of social media has also been a curse,younger people just don’t get on with the slow pace of the forum when other platforms are so much faster and ‘just in time’. 

 Also,not enough members actually share or contribute,hell,sometimes you only see members when there’s an aneros toy giveaway hahaha.

Posted by: @helghast

And that is one of the hidden downfalls. Sometimes it’s a case of lacking individual thinking. Follow the classic approach,it’s not working,or even a different approach isn’t working. The need for change or tweaking is there,but alot don’t instinctively follow that need. So it falls apart.

I would say it's really about how inclined to "tweak" things you are in the first place. Super-Os do not happen in a vacuum, and I'd be willing to bet "artists types" will be better at making changes and adapting, while other guys have a personality that's more about following rules and doing things step by step. Also some guys like to figure things out by themselves, and some will prefer to see how others do it and go from there. So I would not call this a lack of imagination or problem solving skills, it's just the way different people have different personalities. Not inferring that's what you meant, just pointing out that for some people it's going to be harder to just wing it and adapt things without following a plan.   

Posted by: @helghast

But did you have all the info,you can’t blame yourself when they may be harbouring issues they haven’t shared with you.

I don't think it was a lack of details that was the issue, it was more my idea that I had found the perfect recipe that would work for everyone, and it just was not the case. Talk about flying too close to the Sun or something... What I was really looking for is the recipe you have to follow in order to find your own perfect recipe, that's a different beast entirely. 

Posted by: @helghast

One of the problems I see is some people come here,get what they need and then bail. Or maybe they don’t,so give up and bail. The rise of social media has also been a curse,younger people just don’t get on with the slow pace of the forum when other platforms are so much faster and ‘just in time’.

It's a number game, you only truly have a small % of active posters on any discussion forum, and only a handful of members who will still be active after several years, whatever the focus of the forum is. For what it's worth, I feel a big, big part of the beginner and intermediate stuff has been covered already, the really exciting part in my opinion is what happens when you really start to navigate the Super-O realms and get to witness and experience the weirder or more psychological elements. More people achieving this = more fun discussions for everyone. But right now it hardly make sense to get into this while so many are struggling to get their first small Super-O...  

@zentai To get back to your original subject, my theory is that the Super-O is analogous to nipples for men, in that it has no useful reproductive function for us.

As embryos, males and females have an identical anatomy with the same primal organs. Then these organs develop differently to give the testicles in the male, the ovaries in the female and so on. So men only have nipples because they are needed by female mammalians. They are in a way vestigial for us.

It seems possible that what is called the Super-O here is in fact the male equivalent of the female vaginal g-spot orgasm, which I believe has a role in improving the chances of reproduction. It has no role for us men, it is simply a throwback to our primitive non-gendered state as embryos in the womb. For the greater part of human history, it is possible, maybe probable that almost no men ever experienced Super-Os, simply because nature did not intend them to.

@lanoix

Posted by: @lanoix

in that it has no useful reproductive function for us.

Totally agree.

Posted by: @lanoix

As embryos, males and females have an identical anatomy with the same primal organs. Then these organs develop differently to give the testicles in the male, the ovaries in the female and so on.

Yes! No sex until testosterone comes along with the blueprint. Then morph a vagina or ‘sew up’ and out comes the penis. I wonder do all guys know why they have the little line that runs up the scrotom and penis! 🙂

Posted by: @lanoix

It seems possible that what is called the Super-O here is in fact the male equivalent of the female vaginal g-spot orgasm, which I believe has a role in improving the chances of reproduction. It has no role for us men, it is simply a throwback to our primitive non-gendered state as embryos in the womb. For the greater part of human history, it is possible, maybe probable that almost no men ever experienced Super-Os, simply because nature did not intend them to.

Agree mostly. We are humanoid. We mirror each other,glans/Clit/g spot/p spot,separated by hormones and slightly different reproductive tasks that have the same goal. Both sexes orgasmic contractions help to propel sperm up toward the tubes. The orgasm machinery is the same in both sexes. I don’t think journeymen cum like women,we just cum like human. We’ve alway possessed the ability,it just didn’t serve natures purpose for males.

I would doubt too that early man learned how to tap into the other orgasm capabilities that are exclusively for gratification,as you’ve said,they don’t serve reproductive goals.

Posted by: @lanoix

It seems possible that what is called the Super-O here is in fact the male equivalent of the female vaginal g-spot orgasm

The g-spot and prostate are derived from the same cells. Both surround the urethra, both are loaded with sensitive nerves, and oddly both are not the easiest to reach or to stimulate the same “come to me” finger action works with both. A penis can’t reach the g-spot, just fingers. The prostate provides some of the semen content and aids in propulsion. Not sure what the g-spot does reproductively for women. So both sexes have this gland or bunch of cells that are capable of providing huge orgasmic pleasure. Could the purpose for both sexes be just pleasure? 

Posted by: @lanoix

Interesting subject!

Posted by: @zentai

The refractory period's main purpose is to prevent us from experiencing Super-Os.

I have pondered on the refractory period for some time, and finally came to the conclusion that it was linked to the shape of the human penis, which is significantly different from that of other mammals.

The human penis seems to be designed as a sort of evacuation pump. If you thrust a penis into a vagina, any fluid within it will tend to be squeezed against the "back wall", then under pressure will ooze past the "cleft". Now that the fluid is behind the head, on the out stroke, it will be pulled out of the vagina.

Now why would you want to evacuate your own sperm? No, the idea is to get rid of the sperm of the guy who preceded you in that vagina, thus giving yourself a better chance of reproducing! (This gives some idea of female promiscuity in the distant past.)

This is where the refractory period comes in. If you keep erect and thrusting after delivering your "load", you will evacuate your own sperm, and diminish your chances of passing on your genes. So it's perfectly logical to lose your erection and any desire to thrust, until your sperm has had the time to do it's "job".

I did a search, and it turned out that somebody else shares my theory on the penis shape:

The human penis as a semen displacement device

This is taught in biological anthropology, it is a strong theory for sure! That could be why circumcision is a thing: it ensures the glans corona is fully exposed and flared so it can gather more of the previous guy's semen and expel it even easier than if it was covered with foreskin. I'm circumcised so I don't know what the glans does during orgasm ejaculation inside a vagina. I can barely thrust anymore when I cum in my wife its so extremely sensitive, maybe little micro movements just so the glans and foreskin can get a little tiny bit of sensation to continue the orgasmic pulsations and keep my semen pumping out of me, and I'm not all the way deep inside her the whole time, I'm like slowly pulling myself out, tiny tiny movement inward, more pulling out, tiny inward, until I'm finally done cumming and all the way out. Filled her up so to speak. So yah man, refractory period mixed with a strongly flared glans corona and prevention of her getting sex from another man right away is a way to further the species...I buy it!