The most profound and essential asset in my journey...

I wouldn't strongly disagree with your conclusion - I'm sure there's plenty of exaggeration in the claims, particularly i-Doser's. But I guess neither do I think they're entirely lying, lol. In i-Doser's case, I think they're sometimes using their musical accompaniment in rather brilliant ways to encourage the desired outcomes (i.e., I notice particular "smart moments" among their compositional decisions). And Jakub Koter does some amazing things with using the rhythm itself to encourage the desired effects (his Sex Drive is a rather stunning accomplishment, whereas many of his drug-themed compositions in his MindPhreak app do nothing for me, other than Crazy High, which does plenty).

Having become so attuned to them (the whole "medium") now, I find there are certainly clunkers (both some compositions from i-Doser, like Orgasm which I dismiss often above, and some different iPhone apps from various bandwagon companies). I'm meaning to suggest above that we're in a unique position, where the strobing sounds can do us right (potentially) regardless of their brainwave effects, especially once we've tuned ourselves to tap our pelvises into them.

But neither would I write these things entirely off (just as you're concluding we shouldn't, if I read you right). I've had a couple of cases where I got substantially different effects than I was expecting, only to "come to" and realize I'd selected a different program than I'd intended. The first defining example in my experience was when I thought I'd chosen Banzai Labs' Quiet Mind, to which I've often gotten off, but then had a strangely frustrating "high" that never really went anywhere (couldn't come). When I finished, I looked, and I'd selected Floating instead, which perfectly corresponded to the frustrating experience I'd had. That's when I became personally sure that the results didn't come entirely from a placebo effect, if you see what I mean. (And for what it's worth, I think Banzai Labs' programs are the best in the business, and neither are they making the wilder claims.)

So now you've got me interested in this BWgen, so I'll go to read about that. You know, Helixer, you and I might be the most enthusiastic "state alterers" in these forums (i.e., thinking of your current prominent thread, alongside your experiences above), so of course I wanna learn about what you've got going on.

Hey, have you fooled with any subliminal messaging? I've had some great results with those experiments too. And I'm sure I'll have some more questions once I've read up on BWgen - have you ever written up those experiences/practices in their own post/thread?

I've been meditating almost every day for the past two years now. About a year ago somebody gave me some mp3s that blew me away and added a whole new level to my practices. In the stage I'm at now I couldn't imagine meditating without my Binaural Beats. Out of body experince are pretty rare for me (in fact, it has only happened twice in my two years of meditation) but there is no way to describe the whole feeling.

The first experience I had I actually felt my "spirit" leave my body and I could actually see myself sitting on the floor. Each breath I took my "spirit" became larger and larger until it nearly filled the entire room... it was quite intense. I felt, what I can only describe as an "aura of light" around me for literally weeks after. This has to have been the most profound experience in my personal development journey. In the end, while it was EXTREMELY AWESOME, it has only happened like that once and it was near the beginning of my experimentation with binaural beats.

The second time happened a couple days ago during my Aneros session. I read a tip that said to concentrate on your tail bone (which btw was VERY useful). I was doing that for about 30min when I felt that familiar "out of body" sensation coming on. This time was MUCH different in that it was more like an "Inner Body". I literally felt as if my Helix was ME. I could articulate is as if is was any other part of my body... it felt joy, it felt euphoria... IT felt everything I felt. I have yet to achieve a Super-O but no doubt this was a push in the right direction and definitely something I wont forget any time soon.

I've had a great opportunity to use several different programs without a large investment of cash, thanks to other spiritual advisers I've been in contact with. I'll give ya'll the names and a brief review of my experiences with them.

1.) HoloSync:
This was the first program I used. While it was a great program to start and "learn the ropes" with, I found it very hard to continue to use the program and make the leap at the HUGE price tag. There are, I think, 10 levels. You use each level for several months before you move on to the next. The main piece that turned me off, other than the mega cash they charge, was that they all sounded EXACTLY the same. The only difference in the other levels was the frequency and tone of the binaural beats. Oh and you have to purchase each level seperatly.

2.) LifeFlow Meditation:
This is the program I enjoy the most! Like most programs, this has multi-level progression, level 1 being the highest and 10 the lowest. The cool thing about LifeFlow is that you get the WHOLE package for one price. Each level has different sounds, this is HUGE for me. Level 10 sounds like your in a swamp where level 7, the level I'm on now, sounds like you are in the middle of a storm (thunder is a real turn on for me)

3.) HypnAerosession:
This one I enjoy and I like the idea of supporting the community. Considering I have previous experience in binaural, this was a no brainer. This program was interesting indeed and I really enjoy the female voice and trance like sounds. Sadly though, for the same reasons I like the program, I also dislike the program. At times it feel like she is droning on and it's more of a distraction for me than anything. Either way, it's a great price for an excellent product that obviously took a lot of time to compose and compile. If you haven't tried other programs or are not looking to dump mega bills or maybe even lucky like me and have friends with these programs, this is a good start.

Anywho, that's all from me for now. Hopefully it was an easy read as I understand my grammar is not as good as it can be. I hope this added some value to this thread.

Enjoy!

JayT, to your third paragraph above, YES!, I've been experiencing that quite consistently for ages, as if it were my own imaginary dick within myself, and I intimately feel both sides of "the fucking experience." Not always, but very often. (The challenge in my case is that sometimes the sensations "split" into two concurrent experiences, which is also awesome, but really sail when they come together as one.) I've been wondering how many others experience "the imaginary dick."

Thanks for adding all your specific notes to the thread - I'll be following up on some of them.

I'm a little fucked up so I'll keep it short.
I don't like using the word re-wired, I prefer (prostate/full body)-awareness.
It seems when we relax we can hone into those(primordial) sensations with our breath/consciousness much better. Similar to as they say:"when the water is quiet we can see our reflection" I'd say when we're calm we can become aware of beatitude.

So that to me is the clue to these BWgen ripoffs; it helps relax and quiet the the mind, allowing us to really focus on our body sensations.

I've always been interested in subliminal programming, especially after reading:"What to say when you talk to yourself", by Shad Helmstetter, but unfortunately I've never been able to find a pirated application for subliminals and I don't want to tempt fate by actually buying it for a few 100 $s. Also the subliminals of the 'prepackaged' type didn't really to much for me, IMO subliminals really have to be tailormade for the person using them if there's any chance at all of it working.

I haven't really done affirmations for a while, but I do see sense it being aware what you say to yourself and recognising it's important

I like my signature! lol

Derick - I don't see it.

Helixer - Okay, I've read up on BWgen now, and I'm pleased that you've got your experience to add to the discussion, even if it's different than mine. So the only thing I'd ask is if you ever consciously tried aiming your awareness of the beats IN to your pelvis. And I only ask because that's exactly what's been so fruitful for me (and I think what's enhanced my discrimination for these different programs altogether). Very cool, btw, that you've fooled with composing your own. I've tried to compose a couple of programs in the Entrainment app, but with only marginal results.

To your point about relaxation, one additional benefit that I've gained is that by giving my body a rhythmic experience to track, I find my mind can wander quite freely, and I don't have to worry about keeping it trained on eroticism or anything like that. Adding subliminal "dirty stimulus" has even added to that, so that my body can have a profound sexual experience without requiring any arousal concentration whatsoever. This has actually proven very useful to meditating upon my life and issues themselves. Did you ever watch Deadwood? I'm reminded of Al calling a whore in for a blow job while he was trying to game out problems, lol.

I composed a new "very dirty story" to play down low in my Attractor app this week and have been experiencing the most severe and mind-blowing Aneros flights to date. My Helix absolutely fucked my brains out two nights ago, far beyond anything I'd ever imagined. (As for the beat itself, just a simple 8 to 6 hz progression.)

@derick: I'm glad you like it!

I used to(until my previous pc broke and was forced to buy a pc with windows7) have a program called Reason(propellerhead), a really cool program if you're into electronic music. With this program you had vintage equipment at your disposal which would probably if you'd bought the real analogue version of it would cost you 10s of 1000s if not $100000s. So you could put the different synthesizers, arpeggiators,vocoder, samplers etc in a rack and if you wanted to add echo using the echodevice, you'd turn the rack around and RE-WIRE connecting e.g the synth with the echodevice etc.

This is why the term itself to me is ERRONEOUS, we don't have to GET REWIRED OR REWIRE, coz the neural pathways are ALREADY THERE, all we have to do is BECOME AWARE of it.
But if you want to see the sluggish cabling of some machine as a metaphor for (the nonlocality of) your nervoussystem that's up to you, just be aware that metaphors are powerful and can form the reference point, your modus operandi....maybe I just prefer not to think of myself as a robot
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@Tremelo

Do you have an app. that you can make your own subliminal messaging?
if you do perhaps we can trade some warez 😉

Your point about re-wiring certainly makes sense. Maybe some word about enlightenment would make more sense.

Unfortunately (for helping you out), my software is an iPhone app. I recorded my subliminal in the latest (and awesome) update to Attractor. Not to preach iPhone to anyone else, but mine has become my little sound generator. Got almost 30 binaural/isochronic apps, besides generative music programs like Eno's Bloom. And I've even rigged up a system for inputting both my phone and Mac('s porn) into my headphones simultaneously (though I've been enjoying very little porn lately, but did a lot throughout the spring when I had a perfect recliner for it). (Lately though, I just haven't *needed* porn vid, though I still enjoy porn sound in my phone sometimes.)

Guys,

FYI, While the term "rewiring" may seem inappropriate for some of you, it is easier to say (and type) than "neuroplasticity". It is interesting to note the author of the cited definition used the term "rewiring" in his discussion.

I think for our purposes here on the Forum, the term "rewiring" has been fairly well established through long standing usage. IMHO, we may comfortably use it as an alternative to "neuroplastic modifications"

Should Aneros packaging contain the following advisory : ANEROS USE MAY LEAD TO SUBSTANTIAL NEUROPLASTIC MODIFICATIONS! ??? Wow, that might scare the hell out of me! :rolleyes: :confused:

Maybe some word about enlightenment would make more sense

I seriously doubt it would.

Unfortunately (for helping you out), my software is an iPhone app. I recorded my subliminal in the latest (and awesome) update to Attractor. Not to preach iPhone to anyone else, but mine has become my little sound generator. Got almost 30 binaural/isochronic apps, besides generative music programs like Eno's Bloom. And I've even rigged up a system for inputting both my phone and Mac('s porn) into my headphones simultaneously (though I've been enjoying very little porn lately, but did a lot throughout the spring when I had a perfect recliner for it). (Lately though, I just haven't *needed* porn vid, though I still enjoy porn sound in my phone sometimes.)

Perhaps the reason i-doser works with you is because you use a combination of subliminals AND binaural beats. Man if only.....I'd have loads of ideas, but except for what I read about the stealth advertising of Coca Cola in cinemas I'm completely in the dark about its true potential. I'm a little sceptical to say the least about subliminals. Surely we'd all be supermen if it really worked?

Perhaps it's just like binaural beats, effective to a limited degree....like with the Cola ad, if it's hot and you're thirsty and you've subconsciously registered the ad perhaps then subliminals would work. But like the binaural beats scam-artist that claim that with a subtle difference in hz you can experience xtc or lsd, will claim with subliminals that you can attract true love, money, high(er)intelligence or completely change your life.

In combination with the meditative state(brainentrainment)so you're hypersuggestible, maybe subliminals can work when you're aroused(thirsty)to really push you over the edge.

Do your subliminals also work thru the speakers?

fyi, while the term "rewiring" may seem inappropriate for some of you, it is easier to say (and type) than "neuroplasticity". It is interesting to note the author of the cited definition used the term "rewiring" in his discussion.

malfunction, error, error, robot, 2 bad choises,exterminate

I don't have any way to combine subliminals with any apps other than Attractor or SubListen, though I'm working on it. So most of my more sophisticated beat programs (and any of my apps which play isochronics through speakers) are on their own. I desperately want to combine subliminals with my Banzai Labs apps, which won't be hard at all once I buy my second iPhone (a 4) this fall. (I need a second one for the other side of the Atlantic anyway.)

Since you're interested, I'll explain that I've tried playing back my subliminals at three different levels: entirely beneath perception, at the bottom of perception (where I couldn't understand the words if I tried), and lately at the highest level of perception that's *easy to ignore*. That is, I'm too washed away within the beats themselves and my orgasmic state to pay any attention to them whatsoever - my lingual centers are not engaged, as if someone is murmuring directly into my subconscious. As you'd guess, they become more effective as I increase the volume. With this highest setting, I think I'm tapping into principles of hypnosis.

So if you'd consider that volume to be "breaking" the definition of subliminality, then I'd be entirely willing to agree. I.e., I might be using the word in a fuzzy or improper way (since I've increased the volume to the level where I *could* understand it, if I wanted to).

As for binaural efficacy altogether, I think the trick for me is that I'm aiming that rhythm straight into my pelvis, which at a minimum is very arousing, and may *possibly* be tuning my entire body to them in a way that makes it much easy for my brainwaves to tune in as well. That's my theory, anyway. I certainly feel the difference between good programs and bad ones, more sophisticated vs. less. Though less sophisticated isn't always bad - a very simple unwavering beat has a relentless quality that can be positive.

On the "rewiring"/terminology issue, I have no meaningful opinion. (I.e., not blowing off your point, just nothing to say.)