Seems to feel nothing

Hey et bienvenu!

you say you relax muscles, but what about contractions? Kegels? Tug of war method?

Thank you for replying.

Sometimes, I get contractions, more or less without my will ; I guess that's waht is called involontaries ?

As for kegels, I'm trying, but not sure to do them rights.

English is not my native, as you may have noticed, so I understand litterally tug of war, but don't know what that could mean in our situation, sorry ...

@frenchanerosuser

Tug of war is making your muscles "fight" each others, for example pulling with your PC muscles, while at the same time pushing with your sphincters muscles. This causes instability and hopefully, involuntary contractions as one set of muscles tires before the other. 

Posted by: @frenchanerosuser

Sometimes, I get contractions, more or less without my will ; I guess that's waht is called involontaries ?

Yes, that's what they are. 

Are you familiar with NXPL ? You can find Le Traité d'Aneros in French, which is a good way to start and will introduce you to one method of doing the contractions. 

yes I am, but le traité is but a translation of the treasure map found here 😉

And by the way, it doesn't help.

Are you trying to relax everything completely, or are you both relaxing and moving the toy with you internal muscles ? 

If you have not tried it, Helghast's anchored tension approach is a good place to start if you want to try a more active approach, you can find it here  

After some times relaxing (or trying to) and steadying my breath, I usually begin to moving the toy. I forgot to mention that, even if I don't feel something particular down there, precum sometime ahppens to drip.

I'll take a peek to what you sent, thanx.

As for the tug of war ... I'm oftent terribly worried about things getting messy ; this king of exercise couldn't make some ... to come out ?

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As for the tug of war ... I'm oftent terribly worried about things getting messy ; this king of exercise couldn't make some ... to come out ?

This is unlikely, as long as you don't push super hard, these can be subtle contractions and do not need to be very strong. If you are doing your sessions on a towel, there should be close to zero concern here. 

Thank you for the information. When I began my journey, I used to wash with an enema (is it the good word), worried as I were. But as time passed by, I began to be quiet irritated.

I wonder if it's seldom or not, to feel nothing and to stay still on the road map after three years. I mean, I don't think I'm special, but I may be doing wrong ?

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Thank you for the information. When I began my journey, I used to wash with an enema (is it the good word), worried as I were. But as time passed by, I began to be quiet irritated.

I wonder if it's seldom or not, to feel nothing and to stay still on the road map after three years. I mean, I don't think I'm special, but I may be doing wrong ?

I have been on this journey on and off for well over 10 years and am now starting to get results. Relaxation is the key! I spent all those years trying to push for results like pushing toward a traditional orgasm and I think that's what held me back. Now that I have had more frequent success I can tell you that all of it was worth it! I will say that my most successful sessions are done with a small dose of THC. If you can and are inclined, maybe try that. I know that for legal and other reasons a lot of people don't have that option though...

Keep at it!

This is the tug o war method:

https://community.aneros.com/community/general-discussion/quick-and-dirty-path-to-the-super-o

Thank you, @Reddog152 for replying.

As a matter of facts, I think I'm as relaxed as I can during sessions. I mean, I manage to avoid expectations, even if I sometime wonder why I don't feel anything down there. I'm pretty sure, though, that I'm not craving for mini- super-O's or whatever. I just want to discover.

Nevertheless, I'm never completely relaxed ; let's say that life could be easier ... I'm always under concern. Do you think that could slow down progress ?

I sometimes tried some booze to relax before sessions, but I think it was a mistale. I was too light-headed, and muscles were a little numbed. Maybe I should try something else ?
Here, THC is not legal, but CBD is ; do you think I should give it a try, or is CBD worthless ?

To @divine_oblivion and @zentai : thank you for these well documented topics. I will try to train my muscles and let fall the do nothing method and go on for the active one. 
As far as I understand, the tug of war and training are a prerequisite for the active method, right ?

Posted by: @frenchanerosuser

Thank you, @Reddog152 for replying.

As a matter of facts, I think I'm as relaxed as I can during sessions. I mean, I manage to avoid expectations, even if I sometime wonder why I don't feel anything down there. I'm pretty sure, though, that I'm not craving for mini- super-O's or whatever. I just want to discover.

Nevertheless, I'm never completely relaxed ; let's say that life could be easier ... I'm always under concern. Do you think that could slow down progress ?

I sometimes tried some booze to relax before sessions, but I think it was a mistale. I was too light-headed, and muscles were a little numbed. Maybe I should try something else ?
Here, THC is not legal, but CBD is ; do you think I should give it a try, or is CBD worthless?

CBD may be of some value. I use it for anxiety and it seems to help. Stress and relaxation have definitely been a hindrance to my progress and I am just now able to get a handle on it.

One thing that I have noticed with my recent success is that I have much stronger PC and sphincter muscles and can control them in a wave like fashion. I think the strength of the PC muscles are instrumental so you will want to stick with exercise of those muscles and work on control of each, PC and sphincter. 

Hi everyone,

Glad to see this topic back !

I have some news to share with you.
The last 2 or 3 sessions have seen some light progress, I think. I used to do nothing, waiting like 10 minutes just breathing, then trying to slightly moving my aneros.

After reading what I was told to, I changed the way my sessions occur. Instead of doing nothing, I immediatly begin muscles movments after insertion. And I think I begin to feel a very sweet tingling. It's discreet, hard to concentrate on, but it does exist.

Now the fact is, I feel something, I drip precum, I'm rock hard, but it does not last. After sometime like 20 or 30 minutes, arousal fades away, and I don't seem to feel anything more. I tried to stay a few minutes, waiting for sensations to return, but nothing.

Should I try longer, retry later, or let down ?

I have similar experiences.  I use the Helix Syn V.  After lubing the anus rim a couple of times with my finger, I insert and immediately begin 5 second inhale then 5 second exhale with a Kegel pull, relax for 5 seconds then repeat. I start with no vibration to get the feeling.  I do not get hard but do begin to pre-cum a but trying not to rub it or stimulate my cock, just let it ooze and go wherever it goes.  Relax.  Then after 10 minutes or so, I turn on the vibration and repeat the Kegel 5 second drill even a little stronger with more movement of the Syn V's tabs against my perineum.  That produces more pre-cum.  Just relax, and no penis touching, as advised by other esteemed members in this forum.  See the  Penis, NOT thread by @Cockadoodle, the post of which was taken down (Old!), but I saved it in a Word document attached.  This just got me so worked up, I need a session now to relax and ooze!

Speaking of no penis touching, I may have found another rewiring breaker : when I begin to be very aroused, with an aneros in me, my cock is litterraly dancing, and each time it touches my skin, this feeling dominates what's coming from my prostate.

It's so boring, I considered putting a cage to keep it quiet lol

@frenchanerosuser Regarding being hard during sessions...there is nothing wrong with being soft while you are riding.  I typically go from hard to soft back to hard many times during a session.  You will still feel pleasure in your penis but the anus and prostate will become the focal point.  I would also suggest playing with your nipples and the rest of your body while riding.  Just avoid touching your penis.  Everything else is fair game! I love playing with my balls, nipples, and inner thighs while riding.  There are lots of erogenous zones on the body that you can play with.  

Hello there !

Good news ! Today I had a session with real progress. Let me sum up : 

I was tired as hell, and decided to take a nap. But horny as I was, I told me it would be nice to try to rest with my aneros up there.

So I laid down, inserted, and went as I usually do to give me a break.
And then, waves of heat, pleasure, and I could swear I came twice. As far as I know from what I read, it was mini o's, but it was so f*****g real !!! and blissfull !!!

Now, I'd like to ask for some advices or testimony from guys who went the same way.

Thanx a lot

Hello everyone,

Me again, monthes after.

I'd like to share and get some advices.
Since my last post, I've had some undeniable progress. Now, if I'm aroused and quiet, I regularly have pleasure and feelings coming from my prostate. Not to mention the two voices canon between prostate and nipples, when they're stimulated.

What seems to me weird, compared to what I'v read on this forum, is that unvoluntaries come quickly, sometimes as soon as a toy is inserted. 
On the other hand, the feelings wears off after a while (between 15 or 20 minutes). That's usually when i quit my session. So here come my wonders :

Should I restrain the unvoluntaries, do they come too soon ?
When the feelings seem to wither, should I wait, will they come back after a while ?

Thanx to all and happy new year's eve !

Two voice canon between prostate and nipples? Nice. I would say aim for à Cantus firmus in the prostate while diddling out floral variations upon nipples, neck, flank, and inner thighs, culminating in massive 5 voice fugue on a subject based on that cantus firmus, the whole thing during the organ portion of mass tomorrow morning. 

Otherwise hard to say for involuntaries. We are all so different that the details of each of our responses are hard to compare and apply. I would say leave the toy in for an hour and see how it develops after. How hard are you clenching? Are you doing tug of war?

@divine_oblivion : Hard to say ; when I have the time (when unvolontaries don't begin as soon as the toy is in), I apply the tug of war method. I remember your answer about that, months ago. Though, they use to start the moment the tip of the toy touches my prostate.

Same for your other question ; I am not clenching. I mean, not conciously. When I do the tug of war, I clench slightly, just enough to feel the toy caressing my prostate.
When unvoluntaries come, I try to relax as much as possible, and to let go. Sometimes, my muscles make the toy stroke gently ; sometimes, it's like a hard pounding. 

Nevertheless, I think you hit the point of one of my defaults : I'm not the patient kind. I think I have never kept the toy for more than half an hour. Once the first feelings draw back, I get bored and stop my session. Maybe I should try to lay still and see what's coming after awhile ?

Hi everyone

On my journey, as I was focusing on sensations from my prostate, a question came to my mind : is there, with prostate orgasms, a point of no return as it exists in penile orgasms ?

Posted by: @frenchanerosuser

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[...] is there, with prostate orgasms, a point of no return as it exists in penile orgasms ?

Some people say yes, others say no. I was in the "yes" camp for a while, now I think it's a question of perception and perspective. There are many ways to experience the transition between not being in a Super-O state and being in it.

I feel it's more like there is a point where you accept that you are, in fact, experiencing a Super-O. Maybe this is a moment of realization, a peak of pleasure, seeing how things are ramping up and not stopping, it can be a lot of things. It could well feel like a point of no return to you, or maybe it will be something different. It's better to not go in thinking you know what it's going to feel like, or you could miss it.    

Posted by: @zentai

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It's better to not go in thinking you know what it's going to feel like, or you could miss it

Alas, you hit the bull's eye ; not knowing what to expect, or what to look for, I try to watch in all directions at the same time ; and I'm worried about being on the edge of the Big Thing, and loosing it at the last moment, hence my question   about the point of no return.

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Alas, you hit the bull's eye ; not knowing what to expect, or what to look for, I try to watch in all directions at the same time ; and I'm worried about being on the edge of the Big Thing, and loosing it at the last moment, hence my question   about the point of no return.

It's complicated because there are just so many ways to see things. Everything you can read about here works... at least for the guy who wrote it. If everything works, then we can't eliminate anything that does not without first trying ourselves. That's a lot of stuff to try. Same with watching in all directions, that's a lot of stuff to keep track off. I don't know where I borrowed it from, but I always say that Everything works for someone, and nothing works for everyone. So who are you ? 

I advise people to focus on where the pleasure is, but to still take quick breaks to do a full body scan once in a while, to see where pleasure could also be happening.  After all, we're looking for full-body orgasms. But you also have to do a mind-scan, and that's another matter. 

For example, do you think there is an edge or point of no return to the Big Thing because you read about it, or you made up your mind that this would make sense, or simply because your body knows this instinctively ? Which one is it ? Can you answer this before you get there in the first place ? And maybe, if you can't, it does not make sense to worry about it since there is absolutely no way to be sure ? 

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And maybe, if you can't, it does not make sense to worry about it since there is absolutely no way to be sure ? 

You may be right, I reckon. But, I sometimes feel like I'm in a cluttered room, looking for soemthing without knowing what, and scared to miss it. I know that overthinking it is counterproductive, but when one read testimonies about O's and super-O's, it's hard not to be eager to experience it.

I imagine that, if there is a point of no return, it would be a relief for me, as I could tell myself "ok, there is definitely one point, once reached, where you can't miss it anymore"

The Super-O pursuit can get weird quickly. Of course you're eager to experience it, that's the whole point. But you don't know exactly what you want to experience. You need to get there first, the irony should not escape you. It's like shopping for something, where you don't know what you want, but "you'll know once you see it".  Not ideal, but this is all we have. 

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I imagine that, if there is a point of no return, it would be a relief for me, as I could tell myself "ok, there is definitely one point, once reached, where you can't miss it anymore"

This exists, but maybe not in the way you think it does. At some point, yes, you can't miss it. But to me it's not a point, it's a range of sensations, and sometimes you can be there for a while and still not accept that it is, in fact, the start of a Super-O. It does not need to be the whole amazing experience right away, it has to have a beginning. It's like a roll of tape, where you are hunting for that loose end to be able to unroll it. 

If there's not a point of no return for the Super-O, then there can be a trigger, or a set of feelings that tell you that while you're not already "there", you're on you way. The sooner you realize this, the less time you spend hunting. 

If you're an overthinker, you may need to trick yourself a bit so even if you can't stop thinking, at least you think about things that are productive to your session. 

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If you're an overthinker, you may need to trick yourself a bit so even if you can't stop thinking, at least you think about things that are productive to your session. 

I am, indeed, and would be grateful if you could give some tricks or advices to help me in my sessions.

You can start here : Post here if you are *really* stuck. – General Discussion – Aneros Forum and scroll down to the very long post about visualization. If I had to write it today I would do things differently, and I'm not sure anyone actually found much success using this, but this is the kind of stuff I needed to do to get my focus at the right place. Maybe something similar could work for you ? 

I think I wrote in that method that this is all a story we're telling ourselves, you're looking for some narrative track that can explain your feelings and where you want to take them, even if it's not a real explanation of what is happening, it only needs to make sense to you inside of your sessions, and not much else. 

Hello 

@frenchanerosuser

@zentai

I basically do the do-nothing method. The reason for this is that I've done sessions (recently ) where I slightly pushed my hips during an aneros session and yes the pleasure was incredible but the feeling didn't seem "self-fulfilling" at the end of the session. Letting the body react at the pace it wants during stimulation gives me that sense of self-fulfillment. During the sessions I constantly have erections (and what erections!).

With the aneros inserted, I noticed recently that there are two options for reactions in this region :

1 ° There are peaks of excitement or quick physical reactions (normal thing) which in my case lead to contraction of the PC muscle (Levator / which stiffens the erection) and this generates pleasure , while I do nothing.

2° It is possible to direct or "allow" the anus to actively participate in these contractions. Or it could be the other way around , failing to prevent the anus from participating in these contractions .

When you contract the Pc (exclusively) the anus also contracts, which is natural, and when you try to contract only the anus the penis will also rise) this because they are part of the same musculature. The difference here is that it is possible to prioritize one or the other or only allow one of them.

I was already a long time away from a Super O and just when I tested this possibility an overwhelming O filled my chest with happiness.

Allowing involuntary anal contraction (taking the focus off the PC - Penis muscle) seems to distribute sensations differently and lead to a Super . As my sessions are spaced so I could test only 2 times in a row and with success and soon I will test again. Another observation I made is that allowing anal movement directly moves the aneros within the anal canal.

My perception only with PC-penis contractions: Constant pleasure after insertion with variations and sometimes Super - O My perception only with a focus on the PC-anal contracting permission: Also constant pleasure but with greater variation in intensity and with (better chances) of reach a peak or Super O.

Summarized with an analogy: Pleasure after insertion would be like a straight string (constant pleasure) when I add or allow Pc - anal contractions to happen the string (representing pleasure) is modulated, generates peaks and valleys and thus the body makes a new one Pleasure reading. Variation in the intensity of pleasure (through contractions) as a function of the difference in movement and pressure of the aneros in the rectum.

So, in a certain phase of the session, we remain neither in a valley of pleasure (weak sensations) nor in a peak (strong sensations) we will always be varying and this should generate amplification. I imagine that the body must recognize the following idea: "There is a greater pleasure and it is not constant but it is recurrent"

Note: I think that for this to work it is fundamental to have already recognized the sensations of pleasure in the channel. or maybe not ?

Also try this tip

Thanks