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07/16/2009 6:34 pm
Not being overly fluent in the actual names of the mucles, etc. in play, I thought I would describe where I "believe" I'm feeling the location of my prostate in hopes of garnering some common ground with others who may be getting a bit of stimulation, but not experiencing the joys and rapture that so many other are reaping.
Positionally, using either the Helix or the Progasm, it feels (upon insertion) that a initial muscle is penetrated (guessing it's the outer sphinctor) follwed shortly by a second muculature (which I'm guessing is the inner sphinctor) -- it is at this moment, when the tip of either aneros is pressing upon and penetrating the second or internal sphinctor, that I feel the most stimulation and pleasure.
After either aneros successfully penetrates the second (internal) sphinctor, it easily glides in the rest of the way past, and the pleasure dwindles.
I have experimented by inserting a finger, attempting to feel for my prostate, and to me, positionally, it feels as though I'm encountering the first bump or slight hardness just before the second or inner sphinctor as well as through it and just slightly beyond it, it tapers off.
What I've realized is that the largest portions of both the Helix and Progasm (even moreso the Progasm) extend well beyond this point, past the second or inner sphinctor.
In essence, if feels as though the majority of both of my Aneros' largest parts are sitting "above and beyond" for lack of a better description my prostate. To further test this notion, I would again reach inside with a single index finger, penetrating the second or inner sphinctor, and reaching beyond it, feeling for anything that might resemble the prostate on the off chance that what I was feeling at the junction of the second or inner sphinctor was simply firmer muscle tissue.
For as far in as I could reach and feel with my finger, I'm guessing possibly an inch or two beyond the second or inner sphinctor, there was nothing else that resembled the firmness I felt earlier.
So my question is, am I built, perhaps due to genetics, body mass index (which is far higher than it should be), or even some other reason of which I'm unaware, with my prostate in a position lower than most and possibly more inconvenient than most with it resting slightly before and directly on the inner sphinctor?
Whenever I look at images representing how the Aneros sits and stimulates within the rectum, the prostate appears far higher, at least an inch, two, or possibly more above what appears to be the second or inner sphinctor.
Taking hold of the Aneros, typically the Hexlix due to it being easier to manipulate when inserted, I've tried angling it and gently pulling and pushing it at its natural inserted length, all the way back (or should I say out) to inbetween the inner and outer sphinctors. The end result is sensation that I would classify as feeling pressure against my prostate ONLY when it is between both sphinctors, directly on the inner sphinctor, or just slightly past it, but no further.
Over the years, I've had some nice feelings with both the Helix and Progasm, and occassionally, and very rarely, some unexplainable sessions when something would happen for a brief few moments that was quite nice, unexpected, and sadly NEVER repeatable.
I'd sure like to know if I'm just not built right -- yeah I do believe I have the right equipment, but according to my very unscientific trials, it "feels" like it's in the wrong place -- just too far down and resting on the muculature where most Aneros devices are relatively thin and acting as pivot or fulcrum points.
I've wondered if an SGX might do the trick, however, after having already invested in both the Helix and the Progasm, and with things being "tigher" (not me, I'm speaking financially of course), I really haven't the budget to be making guesses.
So, if anyone is in the same boat, or if my prostate is in the right place after all, or if what I think I'm feeling is my prostate ISN'T, but instead actually muscle and I'm simply not reaching far enough (not an easy task with my finger), then please let me know.
Right now, I'm feeling a little discouraged, and although I think I've made some progress over the years, I've never managed to have a single "WOW" session where I can declare with confidence, and ideally REPEATABILITY that I've felt what others are experiencing.
Thanks for taking the time to read, and I look forward to hearing from you on this matter.
All the best!
Cet.
07/17/2009 12:27 am
Hi cet! Welcome to the Forum.
Your post tells your story of your journey to date very well.
The problem may be anatomical, but it is highly unlikely that your prostate is anywhere butt the usual location approximately. In Nat's thread on related issues, I have included a link to the Aneros page of explanatory diagrams that may help you in my post at: http://www.aneros.com/forum/progasm-sensation-question-t4376.html
How long are your arms and how long is the finger you have been using, wisely, to explore? My middle finger is 3&1/2 inches long, for example and that just gets me nicely to my prostate. If you have extra padding around your bottom, that too could make reaching your prostate with your finger problematic. How tall are you? If under 5'6", then an SGX may be advisable.
As you know, you have to feel your prostate on the other side (outside) of the muscle wall of your rectum, and the common description is that it feels like a lumpy denser mass like a walnut shell. Initial touch by your finger or an aneros may not register at all or even be painful, butt as you find and very gently put the lightest pressure on it with either your finger or aneros it will become sensitized positively and responsive to the caresses felt through the muscle wall.
I trust you are always clipping your finger nail as short as possible and making certain it is smooth. 8) Safety first in there! Have you been lubing inside and getting good easy mobility from your aneros during your sessions?
BTW, your clear sensations between your outer and inner anal sphinters is great response for the other aneros technique and tools! The Peridise foursome (in sets of two, the Beginners and then the Advanced! 😀 ) are designed to stimulate there rather than at the prostate. The anal stimulus can trigger peristalsis and thereby trigger the nerve centres along the anal/rectal canal into orgasmic energies. So, you may want to save up for a Peridise set. You may already be ready for the Advanced set! 😀
The instructions for Peristal, the medical version of Peridise, may be helpful too in understanding the feelings you are getting between the outer and inner anal sphincters, where there is a high concentration of pudendal nerve fibres: http://www.highisland.com/hm_instructions.php
all the best as you keep chatting and researching and approaching your prostate
artform
07/17/2009 2:23 pm
Hello cet, 🙂
Your experience reminds me of the following thread in the forum from a little while back. I think you'll find it interesting, and possibly useful.
http://www.aneros.com/forum/desperately-seeking-help-t4216.html
Another thought and possibility that occurs to me, is that I've found in my own experience that there are two areas of pleasurable sensations from an Aneros being inserted. The prostate is the obvious one, the less talked about other is the front side of the anus. From the outside, probably going up to the second set of sphincter muscles. Lately for me this is the more prominent sensation that can be started and increased with slight half anal, half PC contractions that feel like I am gripping with only the front half of my anus. Prostate sensations don't seem to become noticeable to me lately until I reach a very high level of arousal which seems to coincide with my prostate swelling. Unfortunately this hasn't happened much. But I'm sure it will change over time and practice. Some things to think about and discuss.
Love_is
07/18/2009 2:01 am
Cet:
A better question I've been asking for a long time and haven't solved the mystery of are where are the salve and anal secretions located in the anus and what are they and what is their purpose? It is mentioned on this site, click here: http://www.aneros.com/instructions3.php
Read the first paragraph, it's the second to last sentence.
Here is the text in question: "At this apex, most of your glands, including your salve gland and anal secretion gland, prepare for ejaculation, but your penis does not ejaculate. It is a superior and different experience."
Here is my thread about it, click here: http://www.aneros.com/forum/what-are-the-salve-and-anal-secretion-glands-t4048.html
The experts nor I nor even a smart guy like Arctic Wolves have figured this one out. I contacted the site with this question months ago and never got a response.
07/20/2009 2:08 pm
Hi again cet and EB81 and all.
Cet:
A better question I've been asking for a long time and haven't solved the mystery of are where are the salve and anal secretions located in the anus and what are they and what is their purpose? It is mentioned on this site, click here: http://www.aneros.com/instructions3.php
Read the first paragraph, it's the second to last sentence.
Here is the text in question: "At this apex, most of your glands, including your salve gland and anal secretion gland, prepare for ejaculation, but your penis does not ejaculate. It is a superior and different experience."
Here is my thread about it, click here: http://www.aneros.com/forum/what-are-the-salve-and-anal-secretion-glands-t4048.html
The experts nor I nor even a smart guy like Arctic Wolves have figured this one out. I contacted the site with this question months ago and never got a response.
EB, I have posted more information on human anal glands, and my experience with my own functioning anal glands today in your thread you have linked to above. This is an interesting and important area of research and knowledge relevant to the Aneros practice IMHO. The sentence you quote in your post above is a mystery. Could it be an artifact of translation from the Japanese, given the origin of Aneros?
onward with science on human anal glands
artform
07/20/2009 11:26 pm
Artform, there may be something to it being of Asian origin. Maybe they know (and I'm sure they do) many things we still do not know about the body. The reason I say this is because when you do a search with or without quotes of the words: human anal gland, human anal glands, salve gland, and anal secretion gland it will have hits of only the Aneros website and related sites.
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