Non aneros products?

By any means yes

I've been looking to splurge on some new toys. I already have the helix, progasm, and 2 of the Peridise models so I wanted to try some new things from different companies (not that I'm unhappy with the models I have). I've been looking at some vibrating models on amazon of varying styles as well as a cheap beginner estim kit. Estim has always fascinated me, but I've never taken the plunge. Will probably just start with the pads and was thinking of placing one on the perineum and the other at the base of my dick in the pelvic area where the pubes are. Of course I'll have to shave before hand. I was also thinking about maybe putting one at the sacral nerve. Anyone have any experiences with this?

I saw something that was exciting and scary as well when I was looking at the estim stuff. There is this little harness you put on you dick with a small insert that goes into the tip of your dick. I've never tried any kind of sounding so this seems like a good compromise being that it is small diameter and very short. I know you have to be very careful to avoid UTI's, but aside from this does anyone have experience with something like this? I doubt I'll get this to start though because I feel like I should at least try the pads before I start advancing to more aggressive estim. The estim prostate massagers also look very appealing lol. I just need to get a little experience before I start using them internally. I don't want to hurt myself lol.

If you are contemplating estim look at the site smartstim.com for all your answers.

Cheap tens units are ok and you will have hands free orgasms but the real interesting sensations
come from the higher end units that have specific programs written for sexual stim as well
as are able to use stereo type signals that draw from various recorded files that have limitless
sensations. Some even have the capability of remote stim over the internet.

Well, to throw my two cents in, I basically had my first Super O back in July and it's been pretty much non stop multiple orgasms with a sprinkling of a few super o's mixed in every couple days since then.

My favourite toy was the Aneros Progasm and maybe nJoy wand if i was looking for something a bit more targeted and having manual control. I also enjoyed the nJoy large plug.

Last week I got the nJoy 2.0 plug, and WOW! New favourite. If the nJoy large plug tickles the prostate, then the 2.0 slams it and rockets you to orgasm after orgasm.

Still, I would suggest the Helix or Progasm for anyone who is still learning and hasn't quite got over the line yet. For anyone else, try the nJoy 2.0 plug. Wow. wow. wow.

If you are contemplating estim look at the site smartstim.com for all your answers.

Cheap tens units are ok and you will have hands free orgasms but the real interesting sensations
come from the higher end units that have specific programs written for sexual stim as well
as are able to use stereo type signals that draw from various recorded files that have limitless
sensations. Some even have the capability of remote stim over the internet.

For now, I'm just going to go with a cheap one just to get my feet wet, but some of those higher end units sound pretty awesome. The one I am looking at is only $18. I just don't want to sink hundreds of dollars into one without having even played with one before.

Has anybody used any Nexus products like the Revo 2 or Revo Stealth? Those look amazing, although very expensive. Plus they charge via USB instead of having to replace batteries.

By the way, Im a man. Ive read extremely positive review of the njoy wand, the curved one. Ive read these in general via a google search and also going thru the 165+ amazon reviews of the product. Ive ordered it and will report on it.

Ive bought and tried the njoy pure plug small and the medium. Ive had very good fresults with the former but have not been able to insert the medium. I use the njoy with silicone lube which I prefer to water based lubes.

I gather from reading the reviews of the wand that this is a truely mind blowing, revolutionary device when used by women.

and by men

Please--give me more first hand reports on estim.

Personally I was underwhelmed by e-stim. Felt uncomfortable at best and painful at worst. There were some interesting moments with it, but over all it was probably my biggest sex toy purchasing regret. That gear isn't cheap.

Leave it to free market capitalism. E stimulus has been utilized by the medical community for reduction in pain by overstimulating t he nerve endings to reduce the capacity to feel pain, much like shaking your hand when you bang your thumb with a hammer. (Try holding your hand still )
To everyone there own way I won't attack this because I know many people would object to putting foreign objects in there butt to enhance sexual pleasure as well.
It's just this, that excessive stimulus in the form of vibration and electric pulsation have shown to change stimulus threshold in individuals. It takes more and more to achieve the desired result. Hmmmmm much like rewiring perhaps? The difference is that one utilizes the body's ability and enhances the capacity with repetition much like weightlifting, the other uses externally supplied stimulus. Which may cause desensitization. For th is reason I am for the aneros without vibration or E stim. My opinion only. Whatever serves your own interests.

Conversely, if anyone ever wonders why some people have crazy orgasms with aneros and some are only ho hum. Think about that weightlifting statement. We could take two people and put them through the same training and supplement and food and rest as ifbb stars Jay cutler or Ronnie Coleman and never get the same result. This is why we say let a neros be for you what it Wil be. With use (exercise) you will get the benefits but not AL equal to everyone else. You are who you are. I'm not Jay cutler (I wish ) but I am and have what I am and will be and so will you. Embrace it! 🙂
Fearfully and wonderfully made 🙂

Conversely, if anyone ever wonders why some people have crazy orgasms with aneros and some are only ho hum. Think about that weightlifting statement. We could take two people and put them through the same training and supplement and food and rest as ifbb stars Jay cutler or Ronnie Coleman and never get the same result. This is why we say let a neros be for you what it Wil be. With use (exercise) you will get the benefits but not AL equal to everyone else. You are who you are. I'm not Jay cutler (I wish ) but I am and have what I am and will be and so will you. Embrace it! 🙂
Fearfully and wonderfully made 🙂

This is a very good analogy. Thank you.

Conversely, if anyone ever wonders why some people have crazy orgasms with aneros and some are only ho hum. Think about that weightlifting statement. We could take two people and put them through the same training and supplement and food and rest as ifbb stars Jay cutler or Ronnie Coleman and never get the same result. This is why we say let a neros be for you what it Wil be. With use (exercise) you will get the benefits but not AL equal to everyone else. You are who you are. I'm not Jay cutler (I wish ) but I am and have what I am and will be and so will you. Embrace it! 🙂
Fearfully and wonderfully made 🙂

Everybody who can orgasm the traditional way (with penis stimulation), can reach a super-o after months or years of training. Even the one who can´t orgasm anymore the traditional way, say because of paraplegia, can reach the super-o with the KSMO. On the other hand not everyone can become a Hulk in terms of weightlifting. So the weightlifting analogy is not entirely right. But one has Aneros (or KSMO) and weightlifting in common: If you give up, you will never do it. Don´t give up and you will do it someday.

But there it is again. Everyone can reach the super o. But how do you qualify what is a super o? That has been passed around here forever and nobody can say what it is because it isn't a measurement. Not everybody is going to have leg and body thrashing reactions reaching this pleasure or does that equate to a super o? That is the quagmire we always get into when we talk of higher achievment. Yes it is true with training and time things continue to be more and more pleasurable. But nobody can prove that anyone's pleasure is equal to some of t he stellar reports of cosmic bending other people report. One persons dud is another's nirvana? But we already know that people are not all the same. All our physical an mental capacities are not equal to another. Is it reasonable to think then someone's orgasmic capacity may be different than another's ? I simply say for us then to embrace this for what it is for what may be your mediocre pleasure may be another person's absolute delight. (Truth be told even a semi good session is even a delight 🙂 )

Hey everyone,

so the thread derailed a bit and I want to give it push back on track (remember? non-aneros products).

I just recently ordered me some new toys and the first one arrived a few days ago. Since I have a day off today and the lady is out working, I could have a nice session this morning and experiment with it. It is an Icicle No. 45 and oh boy.. this thing rocks. It's made of glas and therefore as rigid as it gets. I bought it primarily, because one can sit on it, so I can wear it while surfing porn and that works pretty good actually. First thing that caught my attention is, that it's rather short compared to my eupho-syn, esp. the bump. I wondered if it can get things going since I have my best results with slightly longer toys. Next thing is, that it's pretty wide. You can't see that on the photos, but it's almost double as wide as it's seen from the side. It also has kind of a concave notch on the back side, so combinded with it sheer broadness, it sits very stable and won't turn around it's vertical axis. (My helix does that all the time, pulling the p-tab away from it's place). On the inside, it delivers a very firm, but broadened pressure that I find very appealing. Unlike the Eupho, it's not so much about massaging "the spot", but about the deep pressure applied to the tissue.

The most important thing (concerning me) is the p-tab. It's a bit more pointy than it appears in the photos and actually points at the very same place as the aneros devices. The p-tab never really was in my focus of attention so far. Most discussions here deal with the awakening of the prostate and rather seldomly with the awakening of the perineum. Some pointed out, that the right fit on the perineum is important for inducing the feedback loop... well not for me so far. Since the p-tab of this Icile is so rigid and firm, it applies a lot more pressure on the perineum than I ever experienced... and this is awesome!

So, if you want a prostate plug that you can sit on - consider this one.

But there it is again. Everyone can reach the super o. But how do you qualify what is a super o? That has been passed around here forever and nobody can say what it is because it isn't a measurement.

Well, I don't agree on this one. I'm convinced, that what qualifies the super-o is the amount of body own drugs, that your body shots into your bloodstream. Of course, everybody experience them differently, you can still set up some criteria that apply to everyone and every super-o. Let's make an inappropriate comparison with alcohol intoxication. On the personal level, it's a unique experience. But from the outside, there are some things that are the same for every drunk person, like nausea, dizziness, reaction time... and so on. Do you get the idea?

In short, Super-O's are pretty much like being on drugs. Different percetion of your body, sheer umlimited happiness and bliss, deep emotional feelings of all colors, the feeling of being truely surrendered to a bigger entity. If I were religious, I would certainly belief that the god almighty shook my hand personally during my first super-o.

Cheers, Unfug

What qualifies as a Super O?
The moment you become insatiable

If you are contemplating estim look at the site smartstim.com for all your answers.

Cheap tens units are ok and you will have hands free orgasms but the real interesting sensations
come from the higher end units that have specific programs written for sexual stim as well
as are able to use stereo type signals that draw from various recorded files that have limitless
sensations. Some even have the capability of remote stim over the internet.

I've been holding off on my purchase investigating a little more closely the different estim power boxes and have visited smartstim some to learn. Ever since registering, the website is down most of the time I go to it though. Is it the same for you? I've been trying to research and want to post on there about what I'm thinking about buying to get some advice and some questions answered about some confusion I have.

Please post as I am quite familiar with Estim.

@stimlover The boxes I'm looking at right now are the Bolega Tens 7000 ($40 with extra pads), Ultima 5 ($50 w/ 2 chokers), and the ElectraStim Flick Duo ($120). The flick is probably a little more than I want to spend, so unless it's that much better than the first 2, then I probably won't. Are these ok? Any thoughts?

What are your thoughts on tens vs ems and any advantages one has over another? There are some boxes that have both.

Also, from what I gather the leads on these are 2mm. Is this correct? Are Zeus toys 2.5mm? I would need a converter for these correct?

If I get a mono probe, I could use it by attaching the first lead of the channel to it and the 2nd lead of the same channel to another mono pad or cockring to complete the circuit? Although, I'm looking at some probes that are bipolar so it may not matter.

If I didn't have a vaporizer and I had to choose between another toy or the Extreme Q, I'd go for the Q.
It's like dosing orgasms, take a hit with the balloon, few minutes later you're shooting loads without being hard. Needless to say more=more, the stronger the hit, the stronger the orgasm.
But I might buy a buttplug all the same

@stimlover The boxes I'm looking at right now are the Bolega Tens 7000 ($40 with extra pads), Ultima 5 ($50 w/ 2 chokers), and the ElectraStim Flick Duo ($120). The flick is probably a little more than I want to spend, so unless it's that much better than the first 2, then I probably won't. Are these ok? Any thoughts?

What are your thoughts on tens vs ems and any advantages one has over another? There are some boxes that have both.

Also, from what I gather the leads on these are 2mm. Is this correct? Are Zeus toys 2.5mm? I would need a converter for these correct?

If I get a mono probe, I could use it by attaching the first lead of the channel to it and the 2nd lead of the same channel to another mono pad or cockring to complete the circuit? Although, I'm looking at some probes that are bipolar so it may not matter.

If you are going to go that route, ie, not stereo and such, I would stick with a good tens unit to start. Ems units imho do nothing sexually other than throb the muscle itself. Chokers, pads etc...anything will works but use lots of Conductive Gel for results. I prefer to use conductive rubber loops myself. You can find them cheap on Ebay. Again, when you really want to get the best out of estim u need to be able to run routines which have been created especially for estim and to do such you need a machine that can play those routines. These can be Very expensive, ET312 down to a simple homemade DaveyBox which will run you about 30 bucks. Smartstim has the plans for these devices. They also have a great piece of free software to play hundreds of routines thru them that you can also download. I would say try a cheap tens and see if u like it first and if so, then read more and explore.

As much as I would love to get a ET312, that is way out of my budget right now. I'll look into the Davey box though since I enjoy building things. Just don't want to hurt myself lol. I'll probably just stick with the Tens 7000 or Ultima 5 to start. If I enjoy that then I'll prob try to build a stereostim box myself. I skimmed through a pdf of a homemade device a few days ago, but the website is down again right now and I'm not sure if it was the same one you were mentioning. It seems like the website is only up for a few hours a day. Is this normal?

I have been e-stimming for over 10 years and have not found anything better...

Tens machines are ok as a starter to see if you like it, however, Tens machines are designed to reduce pain e.g. reduce the pain transmissions from nerve endings. Its does this by stimulating the nerve endings that they become less responsive. The signal (frequency and amplitude) have been developed for this purpose.

For e-stim we want the opposite, we want to stimulate the nerve endings to transmit pleasure sensations. Therefore, the frequency and amplitude are selected for their pleasure sensation. Also the electrodes are placed and sized to deliver pleasure.

With little electronics skills (soldering, bending wire) you can build your own box at a fraction of the price to a commercial box. There are many MP3 files available, which have been developed by e-stim experts, that can be played through a normal MP3 player connected to the home made box.

The website smartstim has been having issues lately. I feel confident they will get itworking fine in a few days. Keep trying as their is no better source of info.

Calmer, since you've been doing e-stim for so long and since I know nothing about it could you describe the e-stim experience. Intensity of orgasms, length of sessions. Does it include the anus and prostate? Is it better than what one can get from anal toys of aneros and njoy, etc? Is it worth the expense? Thanks

Great thread. ...My non-Aneros toy collection has expanded quite a bit in the last year.

First (after buying the fake Zini massagers) I got an nJoy Pure Wand. I had heard so many great things about it that I had to try it out. It's a great tool, but I have to be in the right mood for it. ...I have a tendency to push too hard, and I've hurt myself with it twice. Nothing too bad though. But I don't use it very often because of that.

Then I got a NobEssence Romp, in Laurelwood. That thing is awesome. It's basically two toys in one. As a prostate massager it has an incredible unrelenting intensity. And it works just as well backwards. Backwards, it makes a perfect plug. It's a wide toy, but once it locks in place it almost disappears. VERY comfortable! That curve feels like it wraps around your prostate and hugs it gently. I actually prefer to wear the Romp as a plug. ...And the Laurelwood is beautiful! It almost seems to change colors when you turn it in the light. If you've ever been to a car show and seen a car with an expensive multi-layered multi-color paint job, it's kinda like that. Just with more depth and detail than any paint can achieve.

Then, since the Peridise toys have woken up the rest of my ass, I wanted something that would scratch that itch. So I got an nJoy Fun wand. That one, for me, was very underwhelming (the steel knobs were spaced too far apart, and playing with one knob alone in the sphincers wasn't great). So I went looking for something knobby, and I ended up getting a NobEssence Linger. That was just what the doctor ordered. It scratches the itch and then some. It has a perfect curve to it, so it rubs against your prostate while massaging the rest of your insides. Sessions with the Linger leave me a mindless quivering jelly-legged mess lol. ...I liked the Linger so much that I got its cousin, the Tryst, because it has a better handle. The knobby end of the Tryst looks the same, but it's a bit bigger, and the first bulb is bigger than the one behind it. For me, for some reason bigger does not = better.

Grrr, half of my post got cut off. ...I'll try to re-write it.

Last month I bought a Metal Worx Perfect Plug. I wrote a review for it on Amazon a few days ago. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O5A3IVY ...I haven't actually gotten an Icicles No 45 yet, but I'll be buying one tomorrow, along with the black MGX from here. ...I can't seem to find the black MGX in the store, so if anybody missed the email from Aneros, here's a link for you http://www.aneros.com/product/black-friday-edition-mgx-classic/
...And while I'm posting links I might as well link you to THE cheapest store to buy nJoy, NobEssence and Lelo toys (Lelo Billy is next on my list after Icicles 45). http://www.betweenthesatinsheets.com/ They have great customer service and fast shipping too. If you're looking for a NobEssence toy in a specific wood, just ask about it.

AND I've also been experimenting with e-stim. I got a cheap TENS unit to try it out. Sometimes it's great. But only for a little while, then it gets stingy (the harder I get the more it stings) and I have to turn down the power. Then when I do, the fun is gone for the session. And I'm usually a little numb, like I if I was using an under-lubricated masturbator for an hour lol. ...No HFO yet, but I know it's possible. That's not what I'm going for anyways. I want the feeling of masturbating for hours on end, without wearing out my arms, or my dick...or my TOMAX masturbators (I can only use those for day one or two of an edging marathon anyways, but still, 5+ hours of fucking is alot of use for a day lol). ... @stimlover From what I've been reading, I guess I really need a made-for-play unit. What would you suggest that isn't too expensive? Also, if I was going to save up, what do you think is the best portable unit?

Hi @calmer I guess I should have asked you this question about e-stim too. You can read the last paragraph of my last post, but here's the TLDR version. ...From what I've been reading, I guess I really need a made-for-play unit. What would you suggest that isn't too expensive? Also, if I was going to save up, what do you think is the best portable unit?

my TOMAX masturbators (I can only use those for day one or two of an
edging marathon anyways, but still, 5+ hours of fucking is alot of use
for a day lol). ...

That's a long time for a sleeve, when I had a Fleshlight, I'd have to lube up approx every 15 minutes and it would make a sound like pumping up a tire in a soaking wet pussy. For me, it made too much noise and too many lube-stops, messy, old lube congealing, getting a sore dick coz the lube had dried and I didn't want to break the spell

But penetration and whole shaft stimulation makes me want to buy a toy like this.
Can you really fuck 5 hours without spellbreaking interruptions