No pleasure, no nothing!

Posted by: @supaokami

Hi all,

Firstly thanks to everyone here for sharing your experiences and supporting each other - what a positive community!

So I bought a Helix Trident Syn...

The Facts:
- I'm experienced enough with prostate play to know where it is and what it feels like
- I've used an older Nexus toy for years but I'm looking for something that will use my own muscles to move and be a bit kinder to my behind
- I'm aware that I might have an unusual internal configuration/shape

The Problem:
- The Helix is not even nearly the right shape for me. It's not even close to touching my prostate. In fact it feels like a tiny buttplug at best
- I've spent a good amount of time trying all sorts of things including manually helping the Helix into the right spot and every body position imaginable
- I've obviously also tried contractions in many different flavours

My Conclusion:
- It just isn't the right shape for me!
- My feeling is that the Helix is too long and too straight. My other Nexus toy is very curved forward and even that is also a bit long for me, meaning I have to tilt it forward manually to find my spot
- The construction of the Helix is gorgeous! I'm just gutted it's useless for me 🙁

My Request:
- Has anyone else had this problem and what can I do? Please help!

What makes you think your anatomy is different enough that the helix wouldn’t work? I think you would have to be under 5ft or over 6.5 ft for this to be the case… tell me if I’m wrong, someone.

In any case, my guess is that the toy is the right shape/size, but your previous experiences with your prostate have given you a certain idea of what prostate stimulation should feel like that doesn’t align with the stimulation the aneros models give.  If you are used to direct stimulation through your more direct nexus, or from anal sex, pegging, bigger plugs, dildos, direct fingering, etc., then know that the stimulation you will get from these new toys is incomparable.

These toys hardly touch the prostate when compared to anal sex or other direct and pounding stimulation. One of the main goals of this practice is to learn how to amplify the subtlest of sensations. It will take time, perhaps weeks, months or years, depending on the person. You have an advantage in that you obviously have few or no hang ups with anal play, and you have an awareness of your rectum. However, you also have a preconceived idea of what prostate stimulation should feel like.

When I first started with these toys, I had been playing with my butt for almost twenty years with dildos and other people’s fingers. I was very aware of what it felt like to touch my prostate. But the first few times I used my helix (my first toy) I felt nothing. Over time I learned how to amplify sensations, and I gained awareness of much subtler sensations than I previously knew. Nowadays I can hardly walk normally with my helix in, it feels so “big” (that is, I am hyper aware of its presence).

So forget everything you know, and give it the old college try, following the advice from the wiki gspot page and from this forum. If in a couple months you still feel nothing, then maybe consider a different toy.

Oh and Welcome to the forum 🙂

Welcome to the forum.

You might or might not be right,I’ve seen some members struggle with a model,nothing really,but then swap to a different model and away they go. But to echo @divine_o,Aneros toys should be suitable for the average male.

When you say your experienced with prostate play,what does that mean? Have you had prostate orgasms? Multiple orgasms with out ejaculating? Super orgasms? 

Thanks for the replys folks!

I didn't say I was experienced, just experienced enough to know where it is. I've had multiple 'orgasms' from prostate stimulation, but honestly I'm not sure if what I'm having are orgasms or just hard contractions squeezing stuff out of me... hence looking into learning more.

I'm 6ft 4in, but if anything the toys i've tried are too LONG. By a long way.

I appreciate this is or can be a slow process, but currently the toy is not anywhere near the right place. To give you an idea of how far off it is, I tried it backwards and couldn't tell the difference.

Help!

I'm 6 ft 8 in (203cm). Doggy positions and Progasm Ice work best for me. Helix (classic) was much worse.

I get best results when I'm thorough with my enema. After pooping naturally I pour water in, wait 3 minutes, then pour it out several times (about 5 or more). The lowest was 3 when I'm probing with aneros and it doesn't get dirty. If there's crap in there, it blocks the movement and that ruins the experience for me.

@divine_o

Your whole post should be the go-to answer to this question, it's great!  

@supaokami Both divine_o and @helghast gave you fantastic advice.

I'll add that I'm 5'6" and get great success with the Eupho, it's perfect for me, but the Helix works well also, so does the Progasm, and so do longer dildoes. So with almost a foot of height difference between us, I can't see how things could be positioned in such a way that you overshoot your prostate completely, since the prostate is really not that small and I'd expect it to be higher in your body than it is in mine. And my prostate is really not that far in. Your thinking that it's more of an angle thing makes sense. I'm really not arguing with you here and saying you're wrong about your own body, maybe your prostate is very low, just trying to put things in perspective, but from what you tell us it's probably further forward.

I'd say padding the front tab so the toys angles more forward would be a good first step, and modifying the K-tab arm would probably be something I'd think about doing later. Sorry, don't think you can really do this with a Syn...  If your prostate is really in an unusual position, I don't think any of the available models will work right from the box, so maybe the solution is buying a plastic Aneros and removing  the K-tab arm.  But before doing this, you should keep trying and exploring, it could well be a question of needing to develop sensitivity. 

Edit : typos

Posted by: @supaokami

I've had multiple 'orgasms' from prostate stimulation, but honestly I'm not sure if what I'm having are orgasms or just hard contractions squeezing stuff out of me...

If you think you are having orgasms, you are. If your contractions are involuntary then you are probably also experiencing orgasm. Orgasms exist over a continuum from barely detectable to body wrenching intense, from no emissions to profuse ejaculations. Give yourself credit for your experiences and understand your mental attitude greatly determines the extent of pleasure you derive from the sensations your body produces. Don't over think the process.

Posted by: @supaokami

I'm 6ft 4in, but if anything the toys i've tried are too LONG. ... currently the toy is not anywhere near the right place.

There are slight differences in male anatomy which might make one Aneros model less effective than another but I think the anatomical differences are more rare than the mental attitude differences between men. Your mental approach is more than 90% of the process, the device you use constitutes less than 10% of the process.

However, if you are convinced your Helix is too long here are a couple of alternatives you may wish to try if you can afford them. High Island Health LLC (parent company to Aneros) has a couple of models that are different from the the Aneros lineup. The PS-2 model is the equivalent of the now discontinued Aneros SGX model. This model is 1/2" (12.7mm) shorter than the MGX Trident model. Another model, the HIH 950 is a bit shorter yet, so you might want to consider that model as well. My third suggestion is to consider the Aneros Tempo. Though this is not normally considered a prostate massager, given your description of circumstances, this might work well if you use a prone position and allow the weight of the Tempo to gently massage your prostate.

Once you have learned how to generate prostate orgasms regularly, then nearly any model will work, in fact, you can learn to generate these orgasms without any device at all. I hope this has given you some new ideas for additional exploration.

Good Vibes to You!

@supaokami

If you’ve already experienced mmo,then your very much on the right track. 
Your using different toys now,so maybe a little familiarisation time is required,as they aren’t what your used to.

I think your already having orgasms,your just not quite believing in yourself yet. Just give the journey your attention and it’ll come good. If money isn’t an issue,you could buy a few aneros models and swap them out over a few sessions to see if there are better fits.

Until very recently I thought none of my many Aneros models touched my prostate. Just yesterday I had a session with mind blowing P-waves by just relaxing and doing nothing. Couldn't feel any pressure on my prostate but bam! there it was. This was with the Eupho syn, the very least aggressive model I have. I'm still in disbelief that just letting it sit in there accomplished so much. Keep at it and you may just be surprised. BTW, I've been at this for over 10 years on and off and finally caught a break. 

Posted by: @rumel

Once you have learned how to generate prostate orgasms regularly, then nearly any model will work, in fact, you can learn to generate these orgasms without any device at all.

I totally agree with this.

Once the rewiring is done, the model doesn't matter. The fantastic orgasms obtained without any massager are the proof.

At the beginning of my journey, I did not have any sensations of pleasure without a massager. Then, little by little, the pleasant sensations began to appear. For a long time, they were less intense than those I obtained with a massager, but they followed a parallel curve. And, for a few months now, I have been having equally intense orgasms with or without a massager. I haven't yet reached the stage where some people prefer sessions without a massager, because it's still very pleasant to feel the lovely movements of a massager, but maybe one day I'll prefer the Aless sessions, who knows?

Posted by: @zentai

Your whole post should be the go-to answer to this question, it's great!  

Thanks! I responded similarly (but better) to another similar post about 6-12 months ago.  I wish I could find it easily... I will look.

@divine_o

Yeah, really, I read OP's post and was cracking my knuckles, ready to answer, then I read your reply, and well, you had covered every "angle" already... Except attacking the K-tab with a hacksaw, which is kind of a drastic solution. Since it's very hard to go back after doing it, this should pretty much be the last resort, but it will absolutely allow the toy to go further forward. Again I'd suggest sticking to it until one is certain that prostate contact is the issue before considering doing this, and I wouldn't chance it on the Syn models.  

I don't know if we can use the search option but only for looking trough our own posts? I was looking for something I wrote last year and just couldn't find it, so like you I just wrote something new... 

Posted by: @zentai

@divine_o

Yeah, really, I read OP's post and was cracking my knuckles, ready to answer, then I read your reply, and well, you had covered every "angle" already... Except attacking the K-tab with a hacksaw, which is kind of a drastic solution. Since it's very hard to go back after doing it 

 

I have gone the "hacksaw" route on a couple of my models but recently resorted to heating and bending the K-tab on my Progasm Jr. This worked great, keeping the stability that the extra arm provides while increasing rotation and comfort. 

I'm new. Have had maybe five sessions with my Helix. So far I feel nothing after it has been inserted. I tighten up, then relax. Tighten up and relax, etc. Today I probably had it 15-20 minutes. Again, no feeling.  I'm wondering if I need a longer, thicker model? I am disappointed and ready for advice. I do take a small enema with a douche bulb syringe (one bulb, expel, then a second)before, which feels great, and I try not to touch myself.

Jack

This really isn't something you just stick in and expect to be wowed. There is a learning curve and a rewiring of the brain and body. Educate your self cause for most its a patience game. Half the fun is the journey.

@tbob Well said mate! Everybody gotta put that work in and learn the trade!

@gajackyahoo-com - I'm too hard on myself & fully realize that.  Being a rookie, I clear my head by reminding myself that this takes time.  Some more than others.  However, since day one there has always been a base level type of pleasurable feelings for me.  If only I had found this ten years ago.  At any rate, persist & be rewarded, don't give up before the tingle tickles, you can do it, good luck.