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Golfing1
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Have had a little experience with self-finger anal play. Have BPH, slightly enlarged prostate and wonder if Aneros tools will help reduce size and improve urination frequency. Early 70s age, physically fit, not overweight. Sexually active with wife, who is beautiful and understanding.  See Aneros tools as reducing the physical stress of touching the prostate gently.  Forum and blog testimonies seem to excite the mind more in a sexual direction, which I am trying to view as a secondary benefit, to which I might succumb as a "primary" one.  (I do love to masturbate while she watches)


   
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Welcome and good luck, it certainly can't hurt!  If you have read around then you know that Aneros started and is marketed as a medical device.  And the Black Friday deals right now make this the absolute best time to pick one (or more) up. 


   
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Thank you and keep riding in your quest for the Super-O, cheers!


   
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Posted by: @golfing1

Have BPH, slightly enlarged prostate and wonder if Aneros tools will help reduce size and improve urination frequency.

Very likely YES ! The Aneros lineup is actually a spin-off division of High Island Health LLC. FYI, High Island Health LLC is the parent company & manufacturer of the Aneros ® brand of prostate massagers, (see Aneros History. This patented device was originally and is currently offered for sale as the Pro-State ® line of massagers on the High Island Health website. The HIH website is primarily oriented toward the health aspects and benefits of prostate massage in accord with Oriental medicine for prostate related issues, I encourage you to check out that site to learn more about the health benefits. You may also be interested in reading about the ongoing Columbia Medical School study using the Pro-State massagers. The High Island Health website also contains testimonials from users regarding their experiences using these wonderful little massagers. That website also provides links to additional information on prostate health, the Aneros® website, by contrast, is oriented toward the sensual, pleasure aspects of prostate massage.

I too was experiencing symptoms of BPH but my Aneros practice has practically eliminated those symptoms, I'm confident regular practice with any of the models will provide you with similar health benefits.

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Hi rumel,

I am honored to have a "famed member" reply and offer his wisdom to me as a rookie. I appreciate your inputs and will take your references seriously into consideration.  I am actually undergoing some physical therapy for the urination: strengthening the pelvic floor.  Making good progress with the movements and breathing, but not so much with the urination frequency. 

I plan to have a conversation soon with the PT person about the prostate massage methods before getting the device/s.  I was referred to her from a urologist within the same practice (after my rejection of Rx medications & their side effects of fatigue on me, plus looking for a natural solution).  I am very active so I notice these side effects sensitively.  Right now, I am leaning towards the Helix Syn Trident device first.   

Your comment about Oriental medicine has also struck a cord with me, as two other members of my family have used a local Doctor of Oriental Medicine for their issues.  I have met this doctor when with my wife, who currently goes for other treatments, of course.  So, I will have to inquire on this.

Cheers & good thoughts again - big thanks! Golfing1

 


   
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I am your age and have seen my bph issues eliminated but I would use these anyway just to enjoy the amazing potential for pleasure we have been given from the Creator,especialy since your bride is on board.Enjoy!


   
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@evergreen

Thanks for sharing your experience at relieving BPH symptoms.  That is amazing.   Are there any training videos of which you are aware to accomplish this?  I appreciate your reply.

Cheers, Golfing1

 


   
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@golfing1 No just regular usage!

 

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Anyone have experience with a lube of CBD oil infused into coconut oil?  A physical therapist used it on me and gave me a sample.  


   
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@golfing1  I’m 63, not diagnosed with BPH but I had noted an increase in my need to pee in the night—I was getting up several times to urinate. Regular aneros use has reduced that to once early morning. I often sleep with it in place, and wake with sensations that only enhance my morning masturbation  

Coconut oil is an effective lube, though I suspect the CBD will be a desensitizer—very effective if you’re massaging muscular pain but I think not ideal for this use. The big side benefit of prostate massage is that it feels good. Let’s not inhibit the nerves throughout the anus that enhance that:). 

You remind me of a guy standing on the end of the dock asking for diving instructions and another thermometer check to see if the water’s too cold. Enough consulting, sir! Take your wife’s hand and jump in!  Regardless of whether you regard it as a medical device or a pleasure tool, it will serve both purposes. Whether you read highland health studies or listen to the anecdotal evidence that users here can offer, the benefits seem clear.  

 


   
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Yep, keep it simple and cut the "analysis paralysis" -- just do it and enjoy it all naturally.  I like it and thanks very much.  To your health and pleasure!

 


   
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Add me to the list of those that have seen success against BPH. I was having slow urine stream and post dribble. Aneros turned that all around and now it feels like I flow like a fire hose!


   
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Reddog152,

Thanks for taking the time and thinking of my situation with frequent urination.  Many have said positive things about prostate massage helping, and Aneros devices, too.  I ordered the Helix Syn V and it just shipped today.  I have also used another device given to me by my physical therapist, who has given me a prostate massage with her finger, to help me learn the feelings and understand where things really are.  So, I have done this myself with this device and it gives me a warm feeling so far. 

Best to you & Merry Christmas!


   
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I'm also interested in health benefits. After wich period of use you can see any progress? And what was the frequention and duration with the Aneros?


   
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@bachelek

I have not used the Aneros device, but have used one from Intimate Rose, the Pelvic Wand ( https://www.intimaterose.com/products/vibrating-pelvic-wand).   I had four (4) sessions over the past two (2) weeks, ranging from 25-40 minutes each.   Feels warm and feels good, just milking though, no orgasm.  Just pre-cum, seminal fluid is clear.  My last session was two days ago, and I stood up, walked around, put my legs together standing to get the vibrations on perineum and back of my testicles.  It aroused me to a full erection, I did some light stroking to smear the pre-cum around, but backed off to save myself for my wife.  However, my sexual arousal with my wife is great, erections are stronger, and she is impressed and loves it.  Ejaculations are larger. Next:  My new Aneros Helix Syn V arrived last night and is now fully charged.  I will try to use it for a solo session today sometime.  I am interested in riding with this one, plus the perineum and K spot touching from the device will offer some different sensations to experience.  This is very different from the Pelvic Wand unit, so I will let you know how it goes.  I am still a newbie to these things, as far as anal stimulation.  My arousal has all be through the penis for my life.

 


   
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Posted by: @golfing1
 
I have also used another device given to me by my physical therapist, who has given me a prostate massage with her finger, to help me learn the feelings and understand where things really are.  So, I have done this myself with this device and it gives me a warm feeling so far. 

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I'm intrigued; if I may ask, was the procedure done to milk the prostate, explore and educate you on your anatomy or go all the way to prostate orgasm?  It must feel weird to have a lady stranger sticking her finger up your butt.

 

I guess it's just old school thinking on my part.


   
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Posted by: @bachelek

I'm also interested in health benefits. After wich period of use you can see any progress? And what was the frequention and duration with the Aneros?

I noticed improvement in urination flow after approximately two months of regular Aneros usage (every 2-3 days). If I stop using for more than a couple of weeks, I notice a regression to a lesser flow rate. Now, I only need to have an Anerosession about once a week to maintain good urine flow.

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I am still a newbie to these things, as far as anal stimulation. My arousal has all be through the penis for my life.

I would suggest you read @cockadoodle ’s thread Penis, NOT for some reasoning about changing focus away from penile stimulation to maximize your progress toward prostate orgasms.

Good Vibes to You!


   
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Thanks for your concern, ggringo.  Yeah, I don't let strangers stick a finger up my anus!  The procedure was done to educate me by the physical therapist.  She has deep education (doctorate in the field) and experience with men's issues dealing with the prostate, ED, fertility and the like.  She works for a urology practice here in Austin, TX.  This was for the purpose to teach me how to prostate massage myself to help with urination frequency cause by BPH, and for milking the prostate, not specifically for orgasm.  (although that side effect would be nice, but reading this forum has taught me that super O takes time to develop the approach mentally and physically + learning your body, big time!)  Before doing the massage on me, I had seen her 6 times for building pelvic floor muscles, flexibility and strength.  That is going well, she informs me.  But my urination habits have not improved yet but they will.  

Merry Christmas!

 


   
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@rumel

I appreciate and will heed by your guidance on Aneros sessions (every 2-3 days) and "Penis, NOT" -- will read the links from you for the process method.  I had my 1st Aneros session today for 35 minutes with my new Helix Syn V.  Just arrived last night.  My other five self prostate massages were with another device.  The Helix Syn V is a larger diameter, but going slowly it popped right in.  I really had a relaxing massage.

Thanks & Merry Christmas!

 


   
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@rumel

Thanks again for your interest in helping me with the urination issue, and I am aligned to go through like you with use for two months or so, every 2-3 days, and "penis..NOT" behavior.  That is what I have done for 2 sessions, so I have another 18 to 28 more to go.  

I am trying to establish a discipline of exercise here with the massage with my Helix Syn V.  So far, my sessions are 30-40 minutes of device in me in these body positions: 1) on my back with knees up and legs spread, 2) roll onto my side with legs spread, 3)  kneeling with hands forward and butt spread, and 4) standing with feet apart hips width. 

While the device is in me and in each of the body positions, I do Kegels - inhale, exhale while pulling my penis up muscularly for 5 seconds, and repeat for 10 times or so in each body position as I cycle through.  In between, I also just relax and reflect on what feels different and unique without analyzing.  So far, no pain or rough times.  The first time using the Helix Syn V, I went slowly and it pops into its position, well designed with the two tips for gentle feeling at trigger points.  

I am not playing with the penis at all.  The only touching it gets is to clean up some of the precum residue, which my physical therapist says is normal for the prostate massage.  Is there anything that you would do differently or add to this routine going forward?

Thanks again, Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to you, and my next session will be later tomorrow maybe outside as it is warming up here.

Cheers, Golfing1

 


   
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Is there anything that you would do differently or add to this routine going forward?

NO, I think your approach sounds very good. I especially like your statement "I also just relax and reflect on what feels different and unique without analyzing." This is an excellent attitude of being aware and 'in the moment', being present, without expectation or judgement. Good for you! That attitude will carry you far.

Good Vibes to You!


   
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Mui Bueno!  Gracias!

 


   
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My purpose:  health by reducing urination frequency.

Secondary purpose:  experience prostate orgasm and possible ejaculation that may accompany it.

Routine:  (learned from @rumel & my own from kegel exercise/pelvic floor strengthening from a physical therapist who is a member of a urology clinic)

Let me describe my session yesterday, and then integrate your experiential comments into my routine going forward:

It went well, ~35 minutes. I laid on my back, sides, knees, and I stand as differing body positions after relaxing/lubing the anus and slowly inserting the Helix Syn V. Each position I hold for as long as it takes to do 10-15 Kegels with inhale/exhale squeezes for 5 seconds each. I start to ooze precum, clear slippery liquid out of my penis.  (My therapist tells me that This is called milking) Once, when I touched my penis to wipe it away when standing, I became aroused and more that half way erect. I was in front of the mirror. I began to have a pulsation in my rectum area with the erection. Then I figured out it might be like a heart beat. So, I stopped touching, and calming down, and the pulsation went away. I tried it again, wiping away, or even spreading it around the head of my penis, and the pulsation came back deep inside. I stopped right there, because the advice from many on the Aneros forum was "penis..NOT" by Cockadoodle. Remember? Memorable session!  The session was "without vibration", and lube was Astroglide gel.

Comments are welcome!  Thank you.


   
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@golfing1 ..  [previously PM but developed here] Personal experience varies with these things: I’ve had some powerful and pleasant responses though never hit that vaunted super-O.  It sounds like you are making excellent progress. A few points… 

Those rectal tremors are worth striving for—its the interplay between anal muscles trying to move the unit in-or-out that causes the unit to pulse against your prostate. This is different than the anal clenching of a regular orgasm. Perhaps "striving" is too strong a term--you want to let things happen more than trying to make them happen--but anal quivers are part of the response curve we're looking for.

Arousal is a good thing—an erection is normal but not essential, and the whole process seems to be enhanced by starting out aroused. Some touching seems to help.. teasing your nipples, gently pressing a fingertip in your belly button, or slowly teasing your frenulum and crown with a precum-wetted fingertip may aide things along. I think the Penis-Not directive is particularly against grabbing hold and masturbating, which is counter productive as long as you’re striving for a prostate response. But teasing touches that trigger responses in your pelvic floor, rectum and prostate, are fair play.  

I vary my contractions from the base of the penis across the pelvic floor and up into the anal muscles.. someone here has described this as an S-curve. My responses vary from gentle waves to quivers and shakes, to fluttering contractions in the rectum, to powerful pulses that shake me from pelvic floor to stomach muscles. As all these build I will sometimes get powerfully erect (and yes it’s a trial not to masturbate). I believe these can build to a crescendo which is the super-O but I haven’t reached that level. It sounds like fun:). 

Finally, when you’ve had enough of all this (unless you’re deliberately practicing abstinence or semen-retention) for gods sake go ahead and flip the Penis-Yes switch and finish yourself off ... by masturbating or if your wife is willing, a blowjob or fuck with the Aneros in place. Pelvic motion  of intercourse should also massage your prostate, and even as avowedly hetero as I am, I can admit that it feels astonishingly good to have something in my ass to clench on when I orgasm. 

Good luck and carry on. I’d be sorely tempted to try the V function. 

 


   
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@Golfing1, I think @canonprf gave you some useful advice except for his advice to finish off with a traditional ejaculatory orgasm. IMHO, one should avoid doing that until you have successfully sufficiently rewired your brain to obtain regular prostate orgasms. After you feel confident in that ability then an occasional Super-T probably won't impair/diminish the rewiring that has taken place.

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@rumel I understand your point, and agree the prostate/penis functions should be separate. I do however get the sense that you’re existing in another plane of prostatic bliss than us mere mortals. Rewiring takes time, sometimes years, and not all of us will achieve super-o prostate orgasms on call, or at all. I keep the OP objective in mind (prostate health and urinary relief, with pleasure as an ancillary benefit). 

You say keep prostate and penis play separated. I agree. But here I am, i’ve been twitching and shaking on and off for 2 hours, and it’s getting to the point where I need some sleep, or need to get up and work, or the grandkids are coming over soon and they don’t need to know that granddad plays with fireworks. Prostate time is over, I’m horny as fuck, so yeah I finish off in the traditional manner. And then wash up and get on with the day. 

I do credit your deep experience, @rumel, and listen to your advice, and I learn as I go. @golfing1 will choose his own path. 

 

 


   
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@rumel ... I do however get the sense that you’re existing in another plane of prostatic bliss than us mere mortals.

No, I'm as mortal as the rest of you guys and am not existing in another plane of prostatic bliss. Remember, I'm only expressing my opinion based upon my own experiences and the anecdotal reports of thousands of posts on this forum. Every man's journey is unique and any advice I give, I hope will be merely considered, there are no absolute rules here, only some general guidelines which seem to be effective for many of our fellow sojourners.

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@rumel,

We have spoken much about what newbies like me should do.  Your guidance has been wonderful.  Hence my purpose in writing again to you today – curve ball.  There are always those.  I was reviewing with my physical therapist late last week my method of prostate massage sessions:

  • On my back, sides, knees, and I stand as differing body positions after relaxing/lubing the anus and slowly inserting the Helix Syn V. Each position I hold for as long as it takes to do 10-15 Kegels with inhale/exhale squeezes for 5 seconds each.  Total session time ~40-60 minutes.

She took exception to the squeezes, suggesting that this is a massage and that I should relax without squeezing or contracting.  She also treated me with a Pelvic Floor Stimulator is a device, much like a TENS unit, that delivers an electrical signal into the tissue of the rectum (3 electrodes:  1 on both sides of the anus, and one on the left buttock down low).

In the two solo prostate massage sessions that I have had since here at home, I have tried doing this, only to resort to some series of squeezing or contracting with my breathing and Kegel as before, maybe not as much.  Why? It feels good and relaxing.

Thoughts?  Thank you very much!


   
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She took exception to the squeezes, suggesting that this is a massage and that I should relax without squeezing or contracting.

I'm not a doctor or trained therapist so you can take what I say with a grain of salt but... I don't understand why she would take exception to doing Kegel exercises as those are exactly the muscles needed to perform a self prostate massage with your Aneros device. The E-stim device she used performs a similar function but the difference is that the contractions are artificially induced versus voluntarily produced. Does she expect you to insert your Aneros and do no contractions and thus no massage action? What benefit to prostate health is to be derived from that? Isn't the whole idea behind your Aneros use to massage the prostate to improve urogenital functioning? The fact that your regime "...feels good and relaxing." indicates to me your body is responding in a positive direction and wants you to continue.

I suggest you have a more thorough discussion with your therapist regarding this aspect of your treatment, perhaps there is some misunderstanding regarding your and her approach to resolving whatever physical issues are being treated.

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Thanks very much for your thoughtful and prompt reply.  I have thought that we have been communicating well, having weekly appointments. I had presented her with data of my urination date/times, flow and amount level (L,M,S). She did not see this until I walked into our last Friday appointment, so maybe you are right – a bit of mindset differences.  The data (Dec 21 thru Jan 6) showed a urinary frequency reduction of 12% trend.  I was pleased with the progress, but she was on a mission to try the TENS unit. 

The unit (PATHWAY STM-10 PELVIC FLOOR STIMULATOR).  The STM-10 has a 12.5 Hz frequency which is used to calm the nerves associated with contracting the bladder.  Continued use of a pelvic floor stimulator has the ability to continue to help the calming effect even when the stimulation has been removed (treatment for "urge").  It felt pretty good, too as she raised the intensity amperage (it goes to 100 ma).  She had me in the 40-45ma range for three body positions (back, sitting, standing).  She did comment that the setting she arrived at with me ("it feels high but not yet painful" criteria) was lower than for most older men she encounters.  This week, she will be trying acupressure point stimulation at my ankles (the classic point for urinary function).  She is trying to reset the bladder’s nerves to retrain them.

However, I am thinking of keeping up with the squeezing/contractions during prostate massage on the grounds that it does help to keep my pelvic floor muscles relaxed, strong, and have stamina to do anything as commanded, both voluntary and involuntary.  I will present this proposal to her on my next Friday appointment (in two days).

I had one session yesterday for 1 hour:  mixed squeezing/contracting with just relaxing by reading a little.  I plan to do the same in a prostate massage session solo tomorrow.

I am pleased about our dialogue here, as it is helping me to review everything again, keep a perspective, looking back at the data, and integrate it with her knowledge and experience.  She is a great therapist, and I don’t want to lose her, so to speak.  We spend the first 5-10 minutes of every appointment where she asks me about how life is going (general health AND urination, what things trigger it, my results on tips she has given me to hold running to the toilet first vs. doing 5 kegels, for example).

This is the hardest physical therapy I have been through, as most PT has been for body parts, like back, shoulder, knee, etc. as I am very active and athletic.


   
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