Narcotic and other enhancements?

Hi TANTROS!

I have seen you on KSMO site, where I frequent as well...

I haven't indulged in LSD since the late 60s, so I couldn't tell you what that might do to your experience??? (But just a little weed might be interesting?) Personally, I find that anything more stimulating than a good Cup O' Joe is probably counter-productive???

I have used Viagra tho...and it is almost too "over-the-top" for this (unless, of course, I am fortunate enough to be intertaining a lady!) So I almost always try to keep my Anerose and KSMO free of anything not natural...

That's Just Me...

Good luck on your Journey!

Later, hlaser99

personally, i didnt see any results with my mgx what-so-ever until i added some exotics (pot) to my sessions. i wouldnt necessarily recommend this for everyone though, only people who are familair with it and know how to benefit from it. i think it works well for me because im normally a very fast moving, fast thinking, 'anxious' person and i simply cant slow down and void my head enough to really get into my sessions. ive tried to be hypnotised several times before (by a hypnotist), with ZERO results. like i said, im way too 'mentally aware' normally to really drift off. pot is also said to improve sexual energies in many people (definately true for me!).
ill also add that in the past ive used a different supplement called bulgarian tribulus terrestris (you normally just call it tribulus), which is an all natural herbal supplement which naturally helps raise testosterone levels (there is a direct link between libido and testosterone). i used it as a bodybuilding supplement, but mostly out of curiousity. what i remember most about it was that my sex drive skyrocketed! most people who use this supplement report the same findings. most people also find that their testicles feel fuller and healthier (just try to imagine). its cheapest if you buy it online. if youre looking for other ways to increase your sex drive, i definately recommend checking out tribulus. ive been thinking about taking it again.

lastly, please report your fish oil findings! the post that originally recommended it really caught my eye but i never ended up trying it out.

Hi HLaser99, Hi Enemagra -

Snap! (It's a small world...). And thanks for your replies. Pot certainly does the business in getting you relaxed and nicely woozy, and that for me gets me really horny. Only trouble is next day, when I feel ratted, and my lungs and throat dry as a ..... Acid, on the other hand, in the moderate dose we used to partake of, left no hangover whatsoever. And no longterm after-effects either. And the benefits, along with the viagra when that came along, were cataclysmic. (We're talking 10 hour sessions).

I take tribulus every day although it is a bit expensive: good for pumping up the lead in your pencil. Also the Australian Bush Flower 'Sexuality' Essence. Some years back I got into Yohimbine, when I was in Cameroun - my best mate was a forester, and he'd get it to me 'straight from the tree'. Boom! But there are potentially dangerous contra-indications.

You might try Kola Nut Kernel, which you should be able to get from herbal shops: as someone said, it switches on all the lights in your derriere!

What's your views on Amyl? Do you find it a boost? Or a distraction, when you're concentrating the mind or carried away?

TANTROS

To All,

Not to be a wet blanket here BUT, IMHO, the Super O is something best discovered and savored without manipulating ones blood chemistry to this extreme. At best such measures are cloying and at worst they may attenuate the experience altogether, (this assuming that you have already mastered the techniques of producing the Super O in the first place).

If one is a newbie, and has not crossed over, such artifice does nothing to illuminate the path, rather it obscures it. Several users have commented about using low levels of alcohol and cannabis as a means to relax themselves. While I maintain that there are better ways of doing this, this practice stands in stark contrast to eating acid. Let me be clear, I am no stranger to these substances and while I wouldn't say that I was a ever a habitual user, I did enjoy them on occasion. (This was many years before my first Super O experience....you know..back in the day ...)

My point here is that everyone has an opportunity to enjoy something that is an intense, ecstatic, (some say spiritual) natural experience....unique to oneself. I certainly understand the desire to find how deep the rabbit hole goes, but adding something artificial into the mix really short-changes your innate capacity to produce this by yourself!

Just my two cents.

May your way be as pleasant,

BF Mayfield

P.S. With respect to Mega doses of fish oil (which I've tried), caffeine, & chocolate (see the Zane Blue diet) and other more natural approaches, these are primarily aimed at supplementing the body's own natural responses to erotic stimulation (subtly increasing the levels of dopamine).

Does Cailis or Viagra enhance or dampen the Aneros experience?

I totally fall in with Mayfield's recommendations - 'strictures' is too strong: as a newbie it would be daft not to. Actually, I am finding with the KSMO as well as Aneros, that things develop more startlingly the less I solicit them with various aids (ST, etc.). Just occasionally, still on the upward path, I'll want to spoil myself, 'gross out', give myself a real gala performance. So I'll throw out all the rules and take whatever I can get my hands on. That's why I started the thread. I'm clear in my mind though, that once I've got to where I want, I'll be in no need of artificial enhancements.

(Sounds a bit priggish - but thanks all the same, Mayfield).

TANTROS

(this post was edited 2006-10-26 16:26:02)

Originally Posted By: Tripper
Does Cailis or Viagra enhance or dampen the Aneros experience?

Tripper,

Alas, I have no experience with either. Perhaps another user might care to chime in. I know that in the past there have been several inquiries on this.

My (limited) understanding of Viagra is that it works somewhat somatically facilitating blood flow directly to the corpora cavernosa (the spongy tissue inside the penis) by enhancing the effect of Nitric Oxide. When this tissue is filled with blood, it results in erection. Outside of erection, I'm not certain what effect if any would occur with ones overall level arousal and whether any such arousal could be harnessed for purposes of the Super O (remember, a Super O does not require an erection).

BF Mayfield

a while ago out of curiosity i got a sample pack of viagra 50mg from my doc.

the first time i tried it i took a half pill before making love to my wife.

i was very surprised: it clearly augmented my arousal in addition to augmenting my erectile response. it felt similar to the kind of excitement the slightest touch induces, but not as strong. it was particularly nice as the induced arousal felt very good and very erotic, and led me to appreciate with virginal awe the wonders of my wife and her body.

i have also tried it with KSMO and the A. I don't remember the exact details of past times, but, i don't think i duplicated that feeling. as it happens i gave it another whirl a few days ago. my conclusion then was that it had no effect.

in sum, i would say it is worth trying to see what your experience of it is. i've never taken more than 25mg (as i don't have erection problems and think any more might be too much).

darwin

by the way, a drug called pt-141 produced by Palatin Technologies is in final phase clinical trials. it is the first real arousal drug. it will be a nasal spray (to prevent micky-slipping, i suppose).

do a web search on pt-141.

darwin

Originally Posted By: darwin
by the way, a drug called pt-141 produced by Palatin Technologies is in final phase clinical trials. it is the first real arousal drug. it will be a nasal spray (to prevent micky-slipping, i suppose).

do a web search on pt-141.

darwin

Darwin,

Evidently it's available already. One example:

http://www.pt141hgh.com/sdp/465567/4/pd-2553739/2376997-1267871.html

Hmmmmm, Aneros for the male and PT-141 for the female.

Tripper

I'll be keeping my eye out for that one. However - taking on board Mayfield's fair-minded admonishments (and others' too) - I cleared the decks, levelled the playing-field, and had a fantastic session with the Eupho the night before last, which kind of proved the point. Au naturel. 'Doing nothing', just seeing where the little beast would take me. A couple of hours later - fairly delirious with pleasure - a constant stream of every kind of twitching, those lovely 'curling' contractions - I had a rest, and then switched to the Helix, and ultimately to the Pantra: only towards the end switching to a more pro-active role. Hugely rewarding. I ultimately equate all the Special FX with 'chasing the fawn': time to retract a little and re-group. My on-going progress with KSMO, helps immeasurably to nudge things forward with the aneros too.

TANTROS

Hi -
My question concerns use of substances. My old partner and I use to trip in a pretty lively fashion: nothing crazy or exaggerated - a spliff or two, maybe a little tab of acid - and were never the worse for it. We also used poppers.

TANTROS

Those looking to experiment may wish to try a Primatene tablet a few hours before a session.

This OTC asthma drug, in some, causes the prostate to swell slightly. This is a problem for those who already have swollen prostates (and why they usually avoid antihistimines), but could put a little fuel on the fire for those with healthy prostates.

This drug lasts 6-8 hours, and may cause difficultly in sleeping & slow & frequent peeing. It may also cause slight euphoria and lack of appetite. YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)

If one is a newbie, and has not crossed over, such artifice does nothing to illuminate the path, rather it obscures it. Several users have commented about using low levels of alcohol and cannabis as a means to relax themselves.

Dragging up an old thread here but I searched for weed because I wanted to see what the opinions were. I had my first super-O today because of a small dose. Before this I had never crossed over before (or even done weed before funnily enough).

I've used the MGX for a month or so and I thought I was close (in fact I thought "any day now") but after actually crossing over I realize that I wasn't anywhere near getting there ... I was facing another six months easy. I totally fast-forwarded today. As someone else mentioned in either this or another thread, for people who tend to be very anxious in nature, I'm not sure I could have gotten there without doing something to relax myself. However maybe I could. I'm still a little light-headed to be analyzing things. When I'm more clear-headed I'll definitely post a report of my first-time.

My point here is that everyone has an opportunity to enjoy something that is an intense, ecstatic, I certainly understand the desire to find how deep the rabbit hole goes, but adding something artificial into the mix really short-changes your innate capacity to produce this by yourself!

I am definitely concerned that may be the case. However this wasn't a planned thing -- it just happened. We'll have to see if I'm back to square one without it or if it's rewired me sufficiently to understand how to get there sober as well. It'll be fun finding out and even if I'm back to square one I at least am now aware of the massive reward awaiting me.

All that said, this shouldn't be seen as an endorsement and I'm not necessarily recommending it -- everyone is different.

Hello RTGoose,

We'll have to see if I'm back to square one without it or if it's rewired me sufficiently to understand how to get there sober as well. It'll be fun finding out and even if I'm back to square one I at least am now aware of the massive reward awaiting me.

I too will be interested to see if you have permanently shortcut your learning time. As I'm not entirely convinced that just having a super-O while high will necessarily have taught you to somewhat consistently have them while sober. I say that because, in B Mayfield sticky post titled "B's Keys to the Back Door", he says that the first time he used an Aneros he Experienced a super-O. And then he was not able to reproduce the experience again until many months later. Mind you, that is an individual experience. Everyone is different in their response to the Aneros prostrate massager's. But like you said... At least now you know what awaits you when you do get there. I hope this has worked for you. And keep us posted on your results. 🙂

Love is Peace

Hey Guys,

I gotta admit, I've done a LOT of personal research in terms of applying recreational substances to sexual experimentation.

Long story short, for a lot of years, I did more than my share - my favorites being LSD, Ecstasy, Mescaline, and good 'ol Mary Jane. And I was definitely what most people would call a heavy user right up until I became multi-orgasmic through my KSMO practice. Shortly after that, my interest in drugs simply faded away.

However, while I'm no longer inclined (or even healthy enough) to return to my old ways. What I have learned is that, with a little practice using the right techniques, I can (and often do) re-create the same highs provided by those drugs and even invent new ones.

So my personal opinion on the matter is that while, as Mayfield says, it really is better (or at least safer and healthier) to achieve these orgasmic states naturally, if you are determined to experiment or continue experimenting with drugs in order to achieve a certain state, consider the fact that once you've experienced it, your subconscious mind has it permanently "on file" so-to-speak. And from then on, you can learn to re-access that file any time you want, with or without the drug(s).

Whatever pleasurable, mind-expanding experiences (natural or otherwise) one has already enjoyed are always available to be re-experienced with a little cooperation from the subconscious. Or, if you have no such experiences, but are determined to experiment, consider that each dose you take could be the hit that lasts a lifetime. And that it's well worth learning to summon that feeling naturally, at will, before considering another dose.

Here's a brief article that describes more-or-less the same NLP process I've been using for years to re-create (and even invent) some of my highest highs from the good old days and re-apply to them my current Aneros and KSMO practices:

http://www.hawkridgeproductions.com/media/xfiles.html

And a great little book that teaches these techniques in simple terms, without all the NLP jargon can be found here:

http://www.amazon.com/Get-Life-You-Want-Neuro-Linguistic/dp/0757307760/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1227534085&sr=1-1

Hope this helps.

Happy trails partners!

Pan 8)

Hi Pan,

Thank you for posting your experiences.
I found the web page on hypnotic anchoring and how it was used, to be fascinating. I'll have to see if I can put this to use in my Aneros sessions. The possibilities seem very open ended, and I think it could be applied to a lot of other things in addition to trying to achieve super orgasmic states.

Love is Peace

In my youth I was quite a stoner. Smoked dope all the time and spent most of my waking hours high. Now that I'm older (in my 50s) I still smoke occasionally but not much and not often. I go through maybe a 1/4 OZ a year. Haven't done acid in 30 years and I'm pretty sure I'm done with it. Anyway, I have used pot a few times before Aneros sessions and I have to say each time I did, it was incredible. I don't know if it just helps me relax or maybe just helps me focus on the pleasure but every time I've done it I experienced extremely intense Super-Os and they just keep coming over and over and over again. I usually sleep really well afterward but I do wake up a little foggy. If you haven't tried it, I highly recommend that you do as long as you don't have any issues with getting high. Anyway, it works for me. Maybe it will for you too. Good Luck!

Hi Pan,

Thank you for posting your experiences.
I found the web page on hypnotic anchoring and how it was used, to be fascinating. I'll have to see if I can put this to use in my Aneros sessions. The possibilities seem very open ended, and I think it could be applied to a lot of other things in addition to trying to achieve super orgasmic states.

Love is Peace

Hey Love_is,

I'm glad you liked the article. And you're absolutely right about the techniques being open ended. You truly can create any state or feeling, or combination of feelings you desire. In fact, you can learn to create any feeling you can imagine. For instance if you want to increase your self-esteem (and who doesn't?) you might vividly imagine yourself on a stage in a packed stadium with thousands of admirers giving you thunderous applause. Try doing this every day for a week and see how you feel. Once you have that feeling, you can learn to summon it at will, amplify it, and combine it with even more wonderful feelings. The possibilities are endless, as well as the applications.

There's a technique I've just recently started using from the book I linked above, that I'm getting amazing results from. It's called "spinning feelings." Basically, it's a method for learning to increase or decrease emotions and sensations at will. So, if you're experiencing a pleasurable feeling or sensation, you can intensify it as much as you want, which may lead to even more pleasurable feelings, which you can also intensify, and so on. Needless to say, this can be a very helpful tool to have in any sexual practice. And the great thing about this technique is it's so simple it can easily become a healthy new habit. Shortly after learning it, I literally found myself doing it in my sleep!

In terms of drug use, it certainly may help to have had one's horizons broadened in the past in order to provide a wider range of experiences to draw from in the present. But in my opinion, people can create equally powerful experiences without ever using drugs. All it takes is an open mind and a little imagination.

😉