Hi everyone! So I recently got the idea of getting into a sex machine practice alongside my other erotic pursuits like Aneros. After about 4 days of research, I made my decision about which company and device to go with.
Now when I was researching, the thing I really wanted to see more than anything was something like this: someone laying out their honest experiences as they had them from day to day, with no sensationalism. As best as I can tell, it doesn't exist! So I felt the urge to put one together so that folks in the future have something to look at from someone who has been there.
The Aneros forums feel like a great place for it, because the ideas have a lot of parallels, and I can see many folks potentially being interested in both pursuits.
Some background on me: I am a guy in my early 30's, heterosexual, but really into receptive anal sex from women and self-pleasure. I find women's bodies arrousing, and I can also get arroused by a particularly beautiful male or trans-person, But I mainly only relate to women as partners. I also heavily identify with female-style sexuality, and find myself identifying with the woman in an erotic scene more than I do the man. I guess that makes me Hetero-Switch. I am looking for ways to learn to enjoy it even further, and to orgasm more easily from it! Oddly enough, despite liking this kind of play, and having a receptive bottom, the Aneros model which does the most for me is the Eupho.
I want these sessions to be sexy for others to read, so I will try my best to keep things that way, while also pointing out the mechanical details, and the icky but important stuff.
Feel free to respond with your reflections or tips! If you see something I could be doing better, or have questions, dive right in! I think having a discussion alongside the experience writeups will be great.
Here is a video of roughly the model I have, to get a sense for what we are talking about here (what I have is 5% different, but has all of the same parts and features):
The Specs:
The Machine I chose is from a company called "Hismith" which seems to be based in the US and China, with inventory and manufacturing over there. I am not in any way sponsored by them, so this is the honest writeup of someone who got in on the ground level. My purchase was for 400 USD.
https://www.hismith.com/en/hismith-b...ith-dildo.html
You can also find this machine on Amazon.
The machine is rugged. The support bars and feet are literally solid steel with no hollow core. Most of the unit is solid steel actually, meaning it weighs about 25 pounds (which is great for stability on the ground when it is excited). It has adjustable stroke distance from 1 to 6 inches. It has between .5 to 240 RPM's of motion. Because the motion is from a flywheel to a driving shaft, the motion also follows a nice smooth sine curve where the end of the stroke and the beginning are slower (which is more comfortable too). It has around 1/12 HP and plenty of torque. The unit has adjustable positioning, so it can point anywhere from 40 degrees downward, to 90 degrees upward, and adjustable height. The level of torque is enough to keep a relentless pace with anal, whether you contract around it or not, but also if something goes wrong, and you are not angled correctly, or it slips, or it hits too much body resistance, the torque is still small enough that the motor stalls and weights for the resistance to go down again. As long as you are lubed, there doesn't seem to be much potential for injury at all, which is perfect. The machine also runs very quietly, which is great for not waking up roommates or family in the wee hours.
Importantly with this company, it has a 1-year warranty which they seem to be honoring with all of their users without fuss. Good for peace of mind.
From what I can tell, this is pretty much the only machine you want to look at (asside from a few cousin machines that look very similar). The others are too cheap and underperform, and have much less capability. Or they are too expensive, and don't do more. You want something from 350-500 USD, that is the sweet spot, until you want to spend 2000.
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Session -1
So on the first day of preparation, I didn't use the machine at all. I have done self-dildo-play and pegging-type-stuff in the past, so I already knew the imporantance of preparation, both mental and physical. Like most folks, I have a couple small internal hemmerhoids, that don't normally produce pain or discomfort. I can bear down or contract fully without any sense of pain, so they don't really effect me, except in the sense that I know I should not irritate them too much with rough anal sex.
I do a self-flush-out with injected water a few times, clearing rectal passage and colon. I lube up with a slippery water-based lube internally (I normally use coconut oil with Aneros for long-lasting effect, but here I want 0 friction). I pull out my normal anal dildo, which is modeled after a normal penis of typical size, and make it slippery as well. It slides in without any real effort. I give 10 slow and easy thrusts to evenly coat my insides, and help myself to relax. Then I take the show to my bedroom, and lay on my back. I relax with the dildo, and do slow and easy thrusts the length of the dildo.
My goal here is to get myself prepped for penetration in the future, and to simulate the experience in a fully controlled way. I have a moderate (but not overly high) level of arrousal. Honestly, one problem I have always had with self-thrusting a dildo is that the effort and the position take away from my ability to relax into it and really enjoy it, and to feel the sexy feelings which eventually lead to climaxes. I am fairly flexible from Yoga and exercise, but it is still a lot of effort.
Now I don't normally use visual pornography much during an erotic session, because I want to focus on my own imagination and feelings, but I make an exception here. I watch a few videos of people of all backgrounds enjoying their machines, and try to look for ones which are candid, rather than for excess show. I try to read their experiences on their faces and bodily reactions. I find one I like, and then I try to mirror the video. I thrust with the same speed and depth as the person is experiencing, in sync with them. I want to feel what they feel, and get a sense for what it feels like to be fucked by a machine like this, so when it comes my turn, I can fully relax without unease.
My session lasts about an hour. I don't climax or feel a climax coming on, but I am extremely arroused, and I feel like I have reached a state to be receptive for it. My butt feels great, after this long session. No pain after I take out the toy, whether in bearing down or contracting 100%. I wanted to test to see if I was ready to receive, and I think I am.
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Session 0
A pretty big day. I take my machine out of the box! This is where stuff begins to get really sexy!
I am thoroughly turned on just by looking at him! He is HEAVY. Solid steel everything, even support bars. I read the manual with giddy anticipation, with a slight shiver and tremble the entire time. I put him together with ease, over about 40 minutes, taking all of the carefully sealed parts out of their sheaths. My guy here has one big thing to really pay attention to: the flywheel and driveshaft connection is on the outside of the unit, so I really have to be careful to arrange wires so that they have no chance of getting in there. I also mentally take note of what it feels like when I am sitting or kneeling or crouching in various positions around the machine, to give myself a mental map of how not to accidentally lift my foot into the flywheel or something. Pretty much all of the natural positions have my feet far from the danger zone, so I feel pretty comfortable.
I turn him on for the first time, and I immediately I reflexively feel him in my butt, even though he doesn't even have his dildo yet, and I am standing next to him, not receiving in any sense! A wave of good feelings spreads through my whole body, like a small anticipatory orgasm.
I just let him run, observing his motion, stability, and sounds. I slowly ramp him from one thrust every 2 seconds, to 240 a minute, over the course of a minute. I keep observing. Toward the end, it is a furious barrage, and my lust for him is slightly tempered with respect too. I let him run for 10 minutes at 30% idle. Nothing really goes wrong. Well lubricated joints, pretty quiet, pretty stable. The one thing I notice, is that he starts to develop a clicking sound. I quickly determine that this is because he has two screw handles, one for securing the driveshaft to the fly wheel (which allows you to adjust the stroke length by pushing it further or closer to center), and one for securing the point where the thrusting shaft meets its bearing rods. This second one really likes to work loose, if it isn't quite tight. I note this, and am able to correct it. He doesn't really get hot, or show any sign of stress.
So now onto something that was a bit of a surprise. The Dildo he came with... it is a bit BIGGER than my normal one! So not only am I about to get fucked by a relentless machine, but he will ALSO have a bigger penis. I didn't anticipate this, so I have to come to terms with it now, and totally restart my preparations. My normal dildo is about the size of my own penis. This dildo is about the size of fairly-well-endowed black man maybe. It is an inch longer, and more importantly it has a fair bit more girth. I am going to need to learn to comfortably and effortlessly get fucked by this larger new dildo before we can move to the next step. My date today is now cancelled, and we are back at session -1.
After preparing to recieve the new, larger dildo, I slide in the head. It goes in easily like the smaller guy, but not without event. The flared corona on the head of his glans pops past my inner sphincter and later areas, rather than sliding effortlessly. I am going to have to change that. I tell myself to relax fully, and I gradually seem to acclimate to this bigger friend, over slow and easy thrusts. I have a tiny bit of tension in my O-ring that I really need to move past, as I know this will be the start of trouble when we move things to the next step. Once I am coated and fully relaxed and in the moment though, I seem to hit a point where there is no real resistance, and I think I can enjoy this motion for hours, rather than quickly growing irritated.
I've reached a place where I feel like I am confident about receiving soon again.
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Session 1
Ok, so today is where things kick off!
Today something a bit different happens to start. I pull out my small metal chastity device. I don't normally wear one, and don't actually use it for the sort of partnered chastity play most people get them for. I use it for two reasons: to amplify arrousal (which it does considerably), and to stop me from even thinking of touching my penis at a time like this, where I don't want to at all.
It is a composed of a 45mm ring which goes first over my scrotum and balls, and then over my flaccid penis, and then a smooth metal hood tube of about 2 inches. The method for getting the hood tube on is to slide a nylon stocking through its urethra hole, and then to insert my penis in the other entry end, then I pull the stocking so that it exits the hole, pulling my full flaccid penis through and filling the whole tube compeltely and smoothly. Then I lock it in place. The excitement of the ring, and my penis' sudden confinement cause it to get excited, and attempt to become erect, but it has nowhere to go. It becomes firm but takes up no more space, and I feel the pressure as joyful erotic energy.
Next I take 2 full hours to watch a collection of very arrousing visual pornography. I watch men, women, and even transgendered women take pleasure from their machines. My genitals are humming in their confinement, and I feel waves of heat hit me. I roll up my shirt, to pleasure my nipples as I enjoy these scenes fully, feeling the pleasure transfer to my pelvic region. I watch a scene where a young lady quivers as she takes her machine fucking anally. I fully identify with her. I think about how it feels. The pop as it enters, the wave of expansion as the thrust deepens, the rectum being pulled a bit as it exits. I feel the sense of being fully submissive to a lover who is going to town, and I feel her sense of being open to what her lover will do for her / to her. I feel the waves of joy that come from the steady, relentless motion that never tires, never has the need to pause or slow. I watch another film where a man takes a strong and dominant role over a willing and profoundly arroused woman. She is incredibly turned on with him taking a forceful lead. She moves in slow, sliding motions, already feeling orgasmic energy and heat before being touched. Her eyes roll at him sensually and submissively. She aggressively sucks his penis when told to, locking eyes, with the same slow burning energy. He then rolls her over and binds her wrists, and de-bottoms her. He slides into her butt, and her eyes widen as she receives a moderate pounding, which she had been anticipating. She moans and breathes heavily the entire time.
I am trying to get into her headspace. This is where I need to be. I am focusing on female experience here, because these sorts of acts are thought of as being thoroughly female in our culture. All the best examples and roadmaps for how to procede are with women.
I go through the same routine as before, cleaning myself, lubing up, sliding my friend in, getting used to the girth and motion. There is an orange flag here today... I had a bit more pepper-spice today with dinner than I probably should have, and there is some residual irritation of the rectal tissues in response. It doesn't seem like a show stopper, but since I feel there is an in for irritation to grow, I will do things more slowly and smaller scale than I thought to, and stop at the sign of discomfort.
So here I am, laying on my back. I put down my yoga mat, and a towel to cover it. I lay my head on a pillow. My nude bottom slides up to my dildo which is now mounted on the machine. I am welling with anticipation, but I focus on the mechanics, rather than the sensual part right now. I calmly slide onto him, and while he is stopped, and slowly slide myself up and down his shaft for a few turns, to check everything out. I get off, adjust the height of the machine, and now he is at the perfect level, nearly at the ground. I slide back onto him, and then take the plunge!
Penetration:
Giddy now, I hit the on button on my wired control. The control has just two elements; that start button, and a dial from 0-100. Once the dial reaches about 15, the machine has enough power and torque to begin a very slow thrust of about once per 3 seconds. I have him set for a distance of about 4.5 inches per thrust. This feels just about right. I feel him slide out of me, and then pop out. Then on the next thrust he slides his penis around my scrotum. Sort of funny, and not intended. I guide his penis back into me, and he pops back in and starts a slow and methodical motion. I let him continue this slow pace for 10 minutes.
What it feels like:
I think the mechanics are probably very much tied to what dildo you use- what its profile is, how bumpy it is, how girthy, etc. With my current guy, I feel his big raised corona as a ridge that slides along my inside. It feels like a wave with force behind it, and no hesitation. It is like toothpaste sliding through a tube... a wave of pressure that expands everything as it slides through, causing a feeling of fullness that comes and goes rhythmically. What I don't like a huge amount to start is his glans ridge sliding through my sphincters, as this causes a little bit of a reflexive tensing that is hard to tell myself to stop. I address this by having him concentrate on going deeper, and only just kissing the inner sphincter as he reaches the lowest point of the stroke. This feels pretty good. The longer he is at it, the more relaxed my muscles down there get, and the more evenly the lube seems to set in. The sense of friction is diminished, and this is pleasurable.
The next step is where I start to reach where I really want to be. It will probably sound strange to some readers (but not others), but getting rhythmically pounded like this starts to feel very relaxing, and less like a pounding, and more and more like a massage. It is smooth. I feel heat in my body now... a sense of tingling too. There is a minor quiver in my two legs. The sliding motion is like a wave of warm dopamine coming and going. I don't get to the top, but I am on the road there.
I am not sure where I should go next... the feeling is great, but not deepening. I've read / seen that others have results by going from here to a faster speed. I am unsure. Do I do I maintain it as a meditation, and use my mind to go deeper? Do I increase the speed to add excitement due to sudden contrast? I decide to increase the speed gradually, to about 1 stroke per second. The vibration of the machine picks up, and I do feel an added heat and giddyness. I am sort of flirting with an edge now... as I increase the speed, the feeling improves, but there is mounting friction, my body tenses down there, and I feel a small irritation starting. I am on a fine line between more is better, and diminishing my bottoming stamina.
Eventually I think the pepper caught me! There is a level of irritation now that is too distracting. When I stop the machine, and restart it at the slowest pace again, the entry has a slight sense of discomfort. It doesn't feel terrible, but I know this will grow over time.
It is time to end the session, because at this point I will enjoy it less, and there is no sense in gaining a lasting discomfort that will stay with me for days. I have been at it for maybe 80 minutes.
After I am finished, I get a sense for where my bottom is. Fully contracting my anus causes no discomfort until about 80%, at which point I feel a small dull sting. Bearing down is similar. I am pretty comfortable, and I should have no sign of any of this after a day or two. I stopped at the right time.
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Reflections and Future
-I got the right machine. Looking at all of the other machines under 1000, I can't see any where the experience would have been this good with any of them.
-I am going to need to structure my eating habits around being ready for this. I need to eat a ton of fiber, and avoid pepper-spice for a good time to come. I will need to avoid pooing in a way that I bear down. My bottom will need to be in olympic form to get best results I think.
-I think you want the most slippery lube you can muster here, and preferably one that is long lasting. Don't think that if you are too slippery, there won't be enough friction to enjoy it. I didn't find that to be the case at all, and friction was there despite the heavy lubing.
-I ordered a few new lubes to try out for next time. I can't wait until they arrive.
-I am going to do a Semen Retention period before my next session. For this first session, I was 2 days past an ejaculation, which is usually pretty good. I think 7 would be better still, so I am at my max arrousal level.
-Next time, I think I will spend more time in the slower speed, and not be motivated to go faster for a while. I think the meditative focus on pleasure may be my easiest build-up method for eventually climaxing this way. I definitely saw the path start to show itself in front of me.
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I hope that was informative and enjoyable for you guys! I will keep at it as I have important sessions to share! Let me know what your thoughts are!
Hertero switch? I think your on the gay side of bi to be honest..
Hertero switch? I think your on the gay side of bi to be honest..
So what?
@imp So nothing,I dont see why if he’s so into bottoming he don’t just get a guy to do it,gotta be better than a machine?
Hertero switch? I think your on the gay side of bi to be honest..
It is somewhat of a semantics thing here... but by the old definitions, I think they would call me bi, yet today this configuration is still known as hetero.
The deciding factor is: name all sexes that you are sexually attrated to, interested in romantically, and would like a relationship with. With the act of being pegged by a woman, it is an act that is pleasurable for me, and done by a person I am aligned to form an emotional and romantic relationship with. If it were to be a man, I am using the other person for sex. I prefer sex with others to have intimacy and not purely transactional value.
Here is another angle: the people who find transgender women with strongly feminine traits to be arrousing are all pretty much female-attracted people. It isn't what genitals the other person has, it is what their perceived sex is. The very few men I find somewhat attractive also have very strongly feminine traits. Finding such a male in the wild would be quite unlikely. Same with finding a transgender person... in the wild they are quite rare, despite our modern culture's pre-occupation with these poor folks.
I actually suspect that if all hetero men were aware of the pleasures and potentials of receptive sex, it would be a very common thing.
To answer the other question that follows from it, why a fucking machine:
-Removes the need to pursue a transactional sex act.
-Anal sex with a gay male partner has an STD transmission rate into the stratosphere. It is something like 50x normal oral, and 10x hetero-vaginal. It isn't something to do casually. Getting a person to fuck you just because you need a fucking is a huge risk to take, and also invites the most casual sorts of partners who may be the least careful.
-My self sex-practices are pretty slow and meditative; the predictable and methodical pace of the machine is a benefit, rather than a negative for this
-In the past, while I've loved the sessions, pegging usually ends with a tired partner after 8-15 minutes. I have seen that people that use fucking machines grow to be more orgasmic, and trigger more easily; I think learning from this sort of experience will make future sex with a partner again more enjoyable still.
-Having regular sexual situations that revolve around just me will benefit me in the long run I think. I usually am very focused on what my lover is feeling, and making it the best it can be for her.
-I think it is very much like the Aneros. When you are learning the theory, it is easier to do on just your own, rather than while giving your SO penetrative sex. You need to be so focused on your own feelings, and the real responsibility you should have for the other person competes with that.
-People tend to focus on how these machines are deficient, but not how they are able. They can scew you with more ability, precision, and speed than any human. They can go exactly as slow or as fast as you want them to in that moment. They don't really tire, they keep at it relentlessly.
@Thistledown interesting reply,so the way i see it,condom virtually removes std worry.
i get the intimacy bit,but isn’t a casual encounter where your using the person for sex no different from using the machine?
And it may be able,but I don’t see how it can be better than a human,the wife says dildos are great but they just aren’t the same as a real dick,isn’t the machine in the same boat?
interesting reply,so the way i see it,condom virtually removes std worry.
Even condoms have a high transmission rate, due to breakage or failure. The risk would just preoccupy me so much. Women are also quite reluctant to engage in sex with bisexual men for the same reason: they perceive the risk to transfer to them.
And it may be able,but I don’t see how it can be better than a human,the wife says dildos are great but they just aren’t the same as a real dick,isn’t the machine in the same boat?
The arrangement feels MUCH more like receiving sex from a partner than a dildo typically does. When I self-pleasure with a dildo, I am constantly aware of the lack of another person or will. With the machine, this was instantly removed. It feels like it has a will, and presence. I instantly feel like I am being acted upon. Being free of the effort required to sustain the fucking allows me instantly to get into the headspace needed to start really enjoying the experience. It got me exactly where I want to be going in a situation where I feel no danger, pressures, or discomfort.
Thanks to Thistledown, on many levels:
1 - I don't remember anything like Aneros, where the reality experienced so far-exceeds what I thought must be entirely a hoax of hype. It was all true, and understated at that. The reports on the site can be trusted. You have chosen the perfect place to post.
2 - Your description of machine-pleasure discovery is wonderfully stated. I look forward to more, and only hesitate to make the investment out of shy reluctance to reveal such interests to my wife. I look forward to vicarious pleasure, with your assistance.
3 - Sexuality is such an interesting thing. Before Aneros, I worried about my happily married life to a woman, when I would get twinges of attraction to a cock-equipped man. Post Aneros, the twinges have subsided. It seems like I must have been simply yearning for the exquisite pleasure experienced when any shaft roams around my ass. Plastic or silicone is invited, and every variation on the shape brings new joy. The coupling of nipples to the genitals is discovered. Rather than making me feel more "gay", when I fuck my wife with vastly increased pleasure, I feel ever more the man. Less bi, while still somewhat.
Keep it all coming.
1 - I don't remember anything like Aneros, where the reality experienced so far-exceeds what I thought must be entirely a hoax of hype. It was all true, and understated at that. The reports on the site can be trusted. You have chosen the perfect place to post.
I was a lot like that too, when I encountered Aneros. I was thinking to myself...I bet this entire community is an elaborate fiction devised by the company to charge more for strange butt-plugs, lol. Everything seemed so over the top and outside what seemed plausible. But my method of investigating it was to look for parallels to the claims Aneros makes in other communities. I found that a lot of the Aneros hype was echoed by people of both sexes who had learned to decouple the dependence of their orgasms on their primary genitals (Clitoris head or Penis). It is more natural for women to learn to do that, because their natural sexual role encourages it and supports it. Men have the same potential, but it doesn't happen as naturally. I would not have as easily believed in the possibilities of machine-assisted sex if I had not already seen the full prototype in the Aneros, and experienced it myself (at least up to the middle stages).
To me, it is extremely parallel. The type of slow build of sensation from meh to OMG-where-is-this-going is there for both. I think with the machine it was a little less subtle, as you immediately start to feel good sensations, so it sort of feels like jumping into the process at the halfway point? I think my Aneros and machine practices will both compliment one another.
2 - Your description of machine-pleasure discovery is wonderfully stated. I look forward to more, and only hesitate to make the investment out of shy reluctance to reveal such interests to my wife. I look forward to vicarious pleasure, with your assistance.
Thanks! I wanted to offer a look at the actual reality. All I see about it is hype or casual writing. So the play-by-play of exactly what I run into is crucial to bring it to earth I think.
I can definitely relate to your shyness here. That was one of my first thoughts too... how am I going to explain a freaking sex-machine to the first person who sees or figures it out... Then I thought... well I would just own it. I would explain what it was, and why I found it meaningful. Then offer to buy them one too, hehe. I can understand why you are nervous to do something your wife would potentially view as freakish. Maybe you could talk to her beforehand?
I'll say though that I think you already have most of the show. If you are getting peak Aneros experiences, you have all you need. This is just a different way to experience it.
3 - Sexuality is such an interesting thing. Before Aneros, I worried about my happily married life to a woman, when I would get twinges of attraction to a cock-equipped man. Post Aneros, the twinges have subsided. It seems like I must have been simply yearning for the exquisite pleasure experienced when any shaft roams around my ass. Plastic or silicone is invited, and every variation on the shape brings new joy. The coupling of nipples to the genitals is discovered. Rather than making me feel more "gay", when I fuck my wife with vastly increased pleasure, I feel ever more the man. Less bi, while still somewhat.
I suspect all throughout history, a huge number of gay men have merely been men who had urges to experience a different part of their sexuality, but were really female-attracted individuals. There are certainly men who are attracted to men of course, but I wonder what percentage of each...
I suspect the gay tops are mostly male-attracted individuals. The bottoms are probably where the variations are.
I think a big part of these labels is in how society views people with each one applied to them. I am sure many people are reluctant to fully embrace their personality even to this day for that reason.
Session 2:
This session was quite below average I'd say. It lasted maybe and hour, but with only 15-20 minutes of use. It was more a learning experience than a pleasant time.
Before this session, I cleaned myself out with a bulb squeezer, and lubed up internally well. I went through the same procedure as before, liberally coating the large dildo, and doing some pre-practice alone with it, without the machine. All of that went well.
The trouble I ran into though, was that while I did much the same things as before, It felt somewhat good, but at a point deep inside it seemed to keep triggering a powerful urge to poo, to the point where my body would contract to respond to it.
Another problem I was running into this time is that my sphincter really wanted to tighten around big dildo, and it was causing a ton of pain with friction.
Most of the session was spent taking breaks to let myself settle, seeing if a different position or angle could help, but none of it did much. I ultimately decided that my body didn't sign up for a session today, and called it off.
After this session, I did some thinking about what problems could have led to this result, and I came up with a big list. I would take the utterly counter-scientific approach of solving all of them at once, to see if things improved next time. I also reflected that session 2 was probably a fluke, but I wanted to be pro-active about the next experience being better.
After a ton of reading about anal sex in general, and what bad experiences people have had for various reasons, I decided:
1) My pooping habits and general health in this regard play into it substantially
I am someone who goes more often than most, and with looser consistency. I think I may in fact eat too much fiber, and this is causing my GI tract to move too quickly. This also plays into the pre-session cleanup; becuse things go deep, there is need to clear out at least the first leg of the colon beyond the rectum (and maybe more because this starts a big flow). If the consistency is too loose, this process goes on a while, and doesn't have a definite end.
To address this, I eat way less fiber than I normally do, and eat some binding foods, like large amounts of white rice (like pornstars do, hehe). I see a change immediately, and it seems to work out for the better.
2) To step down the size of the dildo
Because the current dildo it came with is so much larger than what I am used to, I decide to order one of the smaller dildo attachments the company has, thinking that with less tension in my anus, things will be smoother.
3) To try a dildo with much less friction-generating features
The other side of this is that I go for something with is sleek in profile, and without elements that create drag and pull during thrusts. I originally thought that I'd like a very textured dildo, but decide to see what happens with a smoother one. Combining these two factors, I go from this current dildo, which has an average girth of 5.1 inches:
To this one, which is almost as long, but is 4.3 inches average girth (that is quite a big difference):
4) To do some practice pre-dilating
Next I decide that in order to have less tension next time, I will spend a week or so practicing with a certain kind of butt plug meant to dilate the anus. This kind of butt plug has a larger neck than normal, so when used over the course of an hour or so daily, the muscles must relax around it. This causes them to be more comfortable relaxing during anal sex.
I found that it is actually a common practice among those preparing seriously for anal sex, and safe if done within reason and without pain.
The set I got for this purpose looks like this:
The first two are too small to be applicable. The last one is too big, and I don't see the need to ever use it. I think it will be tabled forever. I am not interested in stretching myself (or causing harm), because I don't want to use bigger dildos ever. I am interested in relaxing enough for "normal" sized ones, comparable to human anatomy.
The two that interest me are number 3 and 4, which are about 1.2 and 1.6 inches in diameter around their necks. Number 4 is the most useful, as it is just a tiny bit bigger than the new dildo I will use (and a normal man's penis), so it makes a good target point to relax for.
I use number 3 for a bit, and then later focus on 4 for about 6 days.
Session 3 was better. It will follow soon!
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Session 3:
At this point, I have been about 10 days since any kind of orgasm or ejaculation. I am thinking I will let that continue, to see if it adds to my arousal and benefits my aneros and machine sessions.
This time was QUITE different. It was probably the most pleasant and enjoyable session yet!
The change in my eating habits in preparation meant I was extra comfortable there.
The week worth of dilation practice meant I was super relaxed for this.
This particular dildo (the new pink one) went in without any effort, and just a tiny amount of anal resistance. In fact it is so smooth that once the head is in, and it is well-lubed, I don't even really feel it traveling much, as it is just a smooth shot down a willing and greased highway, hehe. I just feel the head rolling along more than anything.
I bet this is the amount of friction and resistance that anal sex with an actual penis would have. Haven't tried that, so can't report!
I am not sure if this is better or worse? It is SOOO smooth that the sensations are reduced, but also there is no pain or discomfort at all. I think it is better, bit since the effect is so different, I am now curious to experiment more, both with the configuration of the machine, and probably new dildo attachments in the future.
For this session, I take the position I found to work well earlier... I lay on my back, with upper body inclined on some pillows, and the machine aiming low at my anus, going in parallel to the ground.
My session has two main parts.
For the first part, I lay in my position, and put on headphones and listen to an album that really relaxes me and puts me in an emotive, sexy mood. Now that I have the mechanics down, I want to focus on getting into an emotionally arroused state.
I start slowly, and just let it go for a good half hour. It feels pretty good. I feel gentle pleasant feelings, and I feel like I could stay like this for hours. The lube isn't really running dry.
I feel like this must be the state a woman has where she isn't really being fucked to an orgasm, but is still enjoying herself, and in the moment.
A half hour in, I start to slowly ramp up to speed, to see if it has an effect. I think it feels maybe slightly better? It definitely has SOME effect, but I am not sure if I am getting closer to an orgasm ramp. I am just really enjoying the gentle (I know, odd word, right?) experience and the music, and seeing where it leads. After some time of this ramping up stuff, I am at about 65% of what the machine can do, and using the full stroke length. About this time, I start to pass from the point where I feel like I can take it forever, to where it feels like it is costing stamina. I feel like if I go much faster, there will be too much friction and I will have to stop soon. Eventually I do.
At this point I am an hour in.
The second hour I spent experimenting.
I am thinking... that felt pretty good, but I wonder if there is some element I have to bring in? Do I have to position it in a way to really pleasure my prostate, or will that happen on its own with good comfortable strokes? When using one dildo, there are three main variables, and they interact in various ways to create lots of unique combinations and meta-features:
1) Angle of entry vs angle of rectal canal
This is the most obvious one. I figure if you want to hit the prostate, aim for it, right? This is easier said than done. Because of the way it is located in the rectum, it is hard to aim straight for it without grazing the anus itself in an uncomfortable way. Aim too steep, and it creates bad pressures and frictions against the inner anus. Just grazing the prostate may be best, but I am not sure.
2) Height of entry vs height of rectal canal
This one is more interesting. You'd think that you'd want to aim for the center of the anus (kinkiest instructions ever?), but going just lower or just higher has an intersting effect. The dildos have a bit of bend to them, so if you hit the anus at a low point, it will inflect upwards to re-direct the force, now with a curve. That curve can direct it to hit the upper wall with some force (but maybe too much force?)
3) Sex position
This of course effects how you must set the machine up to service you. It also effects how much chance your hips and legs have to adjust the experience, and how stable your body is. It is QUITE challenging to find a good position, and to adjust the machine for it.
There are a lot of factors that effect this. One is that the rectal canal is not aligned with the axis of our spines, it is tilted. Another is that the tilt of our hips and spine re-angles the canal in ways that can be hard to visualize.
I tried 4-5 different positions, but couldn't find another like the first that seemed sustainable. A lot of times, I would feel like I had things right, only to receive a bad pounding when the machine was set to lowest speed. Things were not angled in concert. This taught me something empathetic for givers of anal sex to keep in mind... allowing the receiver to control the angle of entry and position of their body is quite critical for them to enjoy it comfortably.
I think I will eventually be able to get "doggy style" position to work, but will take a lot of fiddling, maybe more than one session even. I decide that in that position I don't want my knees placing my hips at the highest they will go, but rather angled, so that I have some degree of control in repositioning them once things get going.
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After the session, I watch some porn scenes to study what happens. Mainly watch the gay-stuff; I don't actually get turned on by guys (so it is strictly research, hehe!), but I think their videos are the most honest and true to life.
The women generally seem like they are putting on shows to some extent. They are enacting a script they have in their mind about how to please a male audience, by seeming to enjoy everything much more than they do. I do think they are really enjoying it though too. I also think maybe they are psyching themselves up to enjoy it more (which, isn't a totally bad mindset, but something to keep in mind). I think also they may be being coached to be expressive.
The transgendered folks seem like they are halfway between. I think they are maybe imitating the female porn-stars, but also they seem more candid.
The men seem like they are taking mechanical factors into consideration, like the stuff about angle and height differential of penetration, and how it creates inflection. They also seem to be vocalizing in a way that suggests a natural kind of orgasm ramp to me. A lot of them don't seem to move much at all. Are they enjoying it in their head? Have they not gotten the full thing down yet? Not sure, hehe.
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I liked this session, and I will continue to explore these threads to see where they lead!
I will try more practice like the first hour, where there was no friction and it felt sustainable. I will think of ways to tense my muscles gently to encourage some more sensations, and continue trying to get myself into a sexy state of mind with music and other mental aids.
I will also continue to try to find new positions that create a new dynamic, hopefully finding one that is sustainable, but with a more aggressive prostate component.
This was the best session yet, and I think it can get better! Maybe I will make it to the promised-land people describe and depict!
Ok, a great postscript to session 3 that came up spontaneously:
Remember how I said I listened to a sexy album to help me get into the mood during the experience?
Well just a bit ago I was thinking to myself... man that really is a great album, huh? Why don't you listen to it now? So I put it on.
Fuck.
The first track hit me like a train that isn't stopping for heaven or hell, being powered by the combined wills of Jesus, Odin, and Cthulu, and piloted by Conan the Barbarian flanked by flushing bare-bossomed concubines (thanks for the material, Frank Frazetta!).
I was immediately swept into it. The notes and lyrics just flowed over me and through me. I felt energy throughout my body. Fingers curled up and flexing, shoulders were grinding sensuously in the air, arms flowing, head swaying and tilting, face full of tears of intensity. Lost track of any sense of location, and just merged with the music... it filled me up and I was complete. It was like flowing into a river and becoming the river as well for a while.
I have had intense .... music orgasms? like this before, but this was among the very strongest. It was fueled entirely by my engagement in the music, it felt like. It didn't really have a genital component, outside of the feeling filling my whole body. I couldn't even listen to the album, I had to turn it off after the first track to get air.
Afterward, I just sort of giggled and laughed, and had to walk it off and come down.
I'd love to have these sorts of experiences with the seemingly involuntary component spoken about with aneros experiences in the future!
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I am not even sure what happened for sure... maybe I strongly imprinted my good feelings during session 3 onto the album. Maybe it was due to associating that album now with the intent to have good feelings. I think this experience was probably better even than what transpired during session 3, like an echo, or a kind of wiring (like we talk about with the Aneros). It was quite something.
I think I am overflowing with sexual energy as well, and it is searching for an outlet. 10 days without a traditional orgasm or ejaculation. No significant other for the moment in my life. I am trying to use this energy and this time to learn new sexual pathways for it to flow through to become a more complete person.
If I am very lucky, it will work in reverse, and I will be able to use my experience with the music to intensify the next session!
Maybe it would even work with the Aneros, but it might be too forceful for the way it seems to work. It was an "all at once" sort of thing, not a slow build to involuntary ecstasy.
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@Thistledown
Wow, that's a lot of information. I've thought about machine play too, based on what happens to men in videos--robotic prostate milking looks amazing--but justifying price and figuring out how to break it to the wife, who isn't into anal play at all, would be thorny. I've thought about a DIY contraption where I build a flywheel and run joints and pipes along a conduit, but that's a project for another day. Sure hope the bliss you find with the machine isn't just limited to the machine--best if it teaches you how to get to wonderful places all by yourself.
Gotta respond. Put politely, commenting on a person's perceived sexuality is uncalled for. There are thousands of people around the Forum, and no two of them have the exact same sexual preferences. The stigma of using Aneros alone is something that restrains many of us from sharing this terrific experience with others, and that's unfortunate. We should be tearing down barriers, not pointing at them.
Also, your comparison of a machine and a man are totally specious, as unalike as masturbating to actual sex. Using a device or masturbating is most definitely not the same as a casual sexual encounter; one's the stuff of private fantasy, the other for many of us is a line we won't cross. I like looking at threesomes, watching a man with a couple of pretty women. But I'd never participate in one--I adore my wife, and our relationship will always be monogamous. I like the feeling of a dildo or Aneros, but those aren't substitutes for an actual man, they're a pleasure in and of themselves. Attraction to men and enjoyment of prostate stimulation, mechanical or otherwise, have no correlation whatsoever.
Cheers.
Z
@Tommygunn I gotta agree with @Zenopause here. Who cares about sexual labels? Your sexual preference is what you say it is. If a man decides he's bi because he has thoughts of men and women, but never acts on the thoughts on one or the other, then he is bi. If a man decides he is completely straight, but hooks up with men occasionally and enjoys it, then he is straight. The same goes for genders. Let people decide who and what they aref
Personally I would love to be fucked by a man. I look at gay and trans porn all the time. But though the occasion has presented itself many times, I have never gone through with actually hooking up. The fear of STDs is a factor, and no, condoms don't protect you from everything. I also have the same tendency as @Thistledown to be attracted to femininity, both in men and women. For example, I am not at all attracted to muscular women. The more feminine a woman is, often with a softer body, the more I am turned on by her. This attraction to femininity narrows down the potential "mating pool" of men for me. I also have to like a person and they need to like me for us to sleep together. And I need to feel a certain amount of complicity. The problem is, men intimidate me in general. Gay men who have hit on me have done so in a way that I find unattractive, intimidating, and not based on a shared complicity but a downright desire to fuck. I do go for women like that occasionally, but it is rare and often regrettable (though I've gotten better at decision making over the years). Then there is the added aspect that, many men, gay or not, don't really understand the concept of consent, and that honestly scares me. I wouldn't want to be penetrated by a man who, when I say slow down or stop, doesn't. It makes me want double the complicity. So this dream man/trans of mine, who I like as a person and who likes me, who I am physically attracted to, and who isn't just using me, is kinda a rara avis. I do live in one of the gay capitals of the world, but going to gay bars is also intimidating. Thus for now I am happy to have a woman strap on a dildo and fuck me while I wear my prettiest of dresses, to pretend she is a man and I am a woman through roleplay, and to watch porn and fantasize. And I do not consider myself bi. I don't really care enough to find a label for what I am.
@Thistledown that is one thorough post! Holy moly. You might want to be just as thorough with your douching, and get a shower attachment, as bulbs are rather inefficient for deep cleaning. For fisting and deep fucking, I know that it is important to clear up to the transverse colon, which is a huge effort and can be uncomfortable. I share your problems with very loose bowels, and I am very sensitive to all things spicy. It is a real pain in my...
Here is a link that taught me all I needed to know about douching, though I never go through with the full transverse colon douche:
@Zenopause @divine_oblivion Are you pair a tag team or what! If I didn’t know better I’d say I’ve just had my hand slapped. 😉
Zeno: Since you got in first,I reply to you in the main. What you find called or uncalled for,or what you find specious may not be to someone else,those differences of opinion are part of individuality,a little like the individual sexual preferences of the people on this forum you alluded to when you said no two of the 55000 members here have the same preferences,which I find specious. If you knew me in life,you’d know I am quite a direct person,so I find the idea of a machine unnecessary when the op states he’d love to bottom,my attitude would be,just go do it,but he’s free to do as he pleases of course. And any offence caused was not intentional. Normally I wouldn’t be quick to label anything,but since labelling was in full swing on the OP,I felt I could too,but I see it’s ok for some and not ok for others,and I’m fine with that,I don’t get offended easily. The original post tells us that should a man take anal sex from a woman etc. he’s hetero switch..I’m not offended by such a label but it’s a label all the same. I myself have been pegged by my wife but don’t think I’m hetero switch. Then the op tells us he’s love to bottom for a gay male,but will not as gay sex is too fraught with std danger and not even condoms can protect us from said danger. This label of gay men being disease ridden is further backed up by Divine oblivion bringing up your rear,but just missed out, who also desires gay sex,but also is frightened off by the very un clean gay men,he also states the mighty condom can’t save him either. Although, he has alluded to having many female partners,yet doesn’t speak of std fears from women. I think gay guys have had a real bashing here,as I assumed the ones with disease were in the minority as hetero ppl with disease are in a minority,but I’ll concede perhaps these gents know something I don’t.
So in summary,what have I learned? Some of us can say what we like and some of us can’t. You boys have a nice day all the same,but remember,it’s just the internet!..;-)
@Tommygunn I can totally see that that one sentence i wrote came off as offensive if read alone, and without further explanation. BUT i didn’t say that fear of stds is the only reason. I mentioned it and went on to give other reasons. I don’t think gay men are disease ridden, but statistically speaking they are a much more at risk group. Especially for the most dangerous of diseases, HIV. Condoms break. Often in the final thrusts, as that is when things get hardest. Being on the receiving end of anal sex is the most dangerous of all (non blood related) sexual acts. On the other hand, protected heterosexual sex is very safe for men. Like. Realllllly safe. Again, statistically speaking. And still I freak out the next day and later get tested when I have an encounter with a woman and my urethra even barely touches her vaginal fluids. I guess I am paranoid. You are in a relationship. I sleep around. I have to think about these things constantly. If one day I get HIV, not only I will have a potentially fatal disease, and a life filled with medication, but I will have trouble finding partners (granted because of paranoid folk like me).
But again, did you not read the rest of my post where I clearly state that my qualms about gay sex are much more complex? I wrote one sentence about stds and then went on a (rather convoluted) rant...
but youre right, it is the internet, I am not angry, just trying to express myself as you are! And I see your point but like to defend myself 🙂
@Tommygunn
No slapping necessary, sir.* You do seem a direct fellow, and I never assume that perceived slights are intentional. My response was only an observation- I want this forum to be an easygoing, no barriers place for fun and discussion, that's all.
Cheers, and thanks for the response.
Z
*unless we want a good spanking, and there are plenty of people around here who would be pleased to give and receive, I'm sure.
@Tommygunn
I didn't really take offense myself, and the issue here is sort of nuanced and complex. Part of it is in labels themselves. There is not really general consensus about what labels mean in some cases, so in some cases people are arguing not about whether they fit this or that label, but what a label itself encompasses.
I think labels are useful as they connect individual cases to established understandings, but they are often grey or incomplete too. I guess they are sort of a starting point. And then in order to really pin down particulars, I think you have to begin to use increasingly vague and un-established labels. And then there is sort of a "label fatigue" when the pool gets so big no one can follow them anymore.
On the STD question, I think gay folks are great. But there is no denying that there are very high risks here for a number of reasons. Gay lovers have a tendancy not to use condoms when they know they are the group most at risk by a massive margin. Receptive anal sex is the highest risk sexual activity. The estimate of 10x risk for gay anal sex vs heterosexual vaginal sex is an accepted stat (and I have to believe it is MUCH higher, based on other numbers). 67% of those infected with HIV in the US are gay males.
.0075% of heterosexual women have HIV. 20% of gay men have HIV. That means a gay man is something like 2500x as likely to have HIV, which is mind-boggling. That is not something you can ignore. Other various and serious diseases like Syphilis have quite high infection rates among gay men as well.
I share a lot of the same mental barriers Divine listed as well. Outside of STD's, the biggest one is that I don't find men themselves to be arousing sexually or romantically, despite liking penetration myself. I appreciate beauty in men on an aesthetic level, but my attraction to women is primal and visceral... that is just sort of a reality for me.
Session 4:
This session went quite well, and had several points of progress and developments. I did things mostly the same as in session 3. I was fully comfortable, had low resistance, and no hint of the issues from session 2.
Something I did differently, was that I listened to the Hypno-Aneros CD with session 2, since it really put me in the mood from my earlier Aneros session with it. ALSO, over the top of this, I set a porn video playing where a woman was joyfully receiving, to where I heard the sound overlayed, and saw the video feed when I glanced up. I was hoping it may be able to create a sympathetic feeling in my and help engage the same feelings. I don't normally use porn during an Aneros session, so this was very new setup for me. That kind of scene is a rush for me, because I am both attracted to the woman and I identify with her experiences. I don't know that I will do that every session, but it was something to try starting out.
I also chose to be vocal this time, hoping it would help build sexual energy.
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Mechanical issues:
This session I hit a minor issue with the machine; the flywheel is secured to the driving rod (which in term connects to the reciprocating rod); at the connection point there is a twist bolt with a grip handle, that you can loosen and secure at various points to the fly-wheel, so you can set the thrust depth. This has a way of working itself loose, since the spinning motion of the flywheel tends to get translated to the bolt easily. For the first 12 minutes of the session, I could not for the life of me get it to stay engaged and not slipping. It could have something to do with the kind of washer it has, idk. Of all things to do, I took the bolt off, and flipped the washer backwards (it has two sides of different qualities, one which is smooth, and one with a ridged edge), and this seemed to stop the slipping completely.
Maybe someone mechanically handy knows some solution for this, like a special washer or a gripping compound.
At any rate, it seemed to be resolved for now.
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To start the session, once I had my elaborate setup going, I set the thrust to maximum length.
Something to note here from physics and mechanics, is that based on how RPMs, torque, and force work, when the machine is set to the highest thrust, it will go in the deepest, but also have the lowest force. In theory this would be the lowest friction possible.
I enjoyed the feeling to start out, with the deep 6 inch stroke. It went all the way from my entrance to the top of my rectum. I think I had a few sources of good feeling...the light sensation on the anus itself felt good; it may have been hitting my prostate too on a grazing angle, but it is hard to say. I also felt a little bit of an extra rush when the dildo hit me with the "hilt", and I felt a little extra expansion of the anus.
I stayed pretty relaxed for this part, not really contracting muscles, just trying to stay loose. After maybe 20 minutes, I started to get this good feeling somewhere around where my bladder must be, like it started hitting "a good spot". I really had to focus to keep it hitting that spot. Now I was not really able to contract my sphincter muscles in this configuration, because something about this long stroke would disrupt the motion, but I was able to contract my PC muscles. It felt like a sensation that could conceivably ramp to an orgasm, but I am not sure. It felt gradually a bit better, and I really focused on having it continue. I increased the speed a bit, and it seemed to intensify a bit too. I kept glancing at the girl having her good time as well, and that seemed to help a bit.
I am also trying to pull some other pleasure by rubbing my nipples, but oddly they don't seem to be doing much. Maybe they help a bit, but for whatever reason they don't seem like they are in the mood. Maybe the rest of the sensations are burying them.
The other thing that seems to help though is the vocalizations. I keep humming and lightly sighing and moaning, and it adds to the feeling. It feels pretty good, like an avenue that could lead somewhere, but at some point it sort of slips away. The sense of resistance is so low at one point, I even get the machine to its very highest setting, going the full depth and full speed, and it feels bearable. I sort of reason though that it isn't about going as fast as possible, but using contrasts of speed gradually to tease out a feeling.
One of the things frustrating me at this point is that I'd like to try fuller contractions, because I've read a bit that this is part of what a man or woman does as they approach an orgasm through this means. But the thrust depth and mechanic makes this pretty hard.
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40 minutes in, I switch things up. I decide to lower the thrust depth from 6 inches to 3. This has a few effects. Going back to what was said above, lowering the thrust depth means that a full cycle takes the same amount of time, but the force is higher, and so is the friction as a result.
The first configuration I try is to have the dildo deep inside, and go from the top of the rectum 3 inches down. I definitely do feel the higher friction, and I feel the need to lube things up every 6 minutes or so now. But the more I have, the less I need to add more. I find a good method of doing this I saw in porn lol, is to put some lube on the top of the dildo where it meets the anus, as it is in motion. It tends to distribute it deeper as it is in motion, and having a bit on top drips down slowly.
In this configuration, I am able to contract around dildo really well. Also though, contracting increases the friction further, to the point where I feel like I can't do this for long. It feels somewhat good, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for my anus sensations or prostate, and I am not enjoying the extra friction.
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After 20 minutes of the shorter thrust, I move it toward the front of the canal, so the thrust happens from the entrance to 3 inches in. In this configuration, there is a good feeling as it sort of kisses the anus itself going in, and maybe something that could be the prostate being kissed or tapped as well. There is even more friction than before though, because of the anus being opened and closed, and the high force of the thrust on lower distance. I focus on the good feeling, and it sort of quickly builds. I contract the sphincter around the good feeling, and I sort of start to squeal continuously with moderate pleasure, audibly. I can feel my knees shake a bit. This also feels like a very high friction technique though, combining the three elements of more force, anus movement, and squeezing for even more friction. I can't do it for long.
It builds up to a feeling I imagine must be prostate related, and I feel a few drips of fluid, and a moderately good feeling with it. I continue humming, moaning and squealing, and it goes on for a bit more, maybe 20 seconds, but I stop due to the feeling of friction being too much. I am done at this point.
Something interesting is that when I finally step away, my vision is a bit blurred, which is an effect I have never had from sex, but one I have heard of in reference to women. I don't think I have any underlying health issues that would make it a concern.
I think at the end there I had something like the intensity of a decent traditional orgasm. Not yet at the stratosphere with the full body rolling effects, and minutes of strong pleasure, but hopefully things continue to improve even more!
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When I stop, I am thinking to myself that I have two avenues now to explore.
The feeling I felt in the first half of the session felt viable, but I wasn't able to ramp it up anymore. It felt deeper than I would imagine the tissues that lead to orgasm here would be... not really sure what it was.
Maybe I just let that thing happen for 30-60 minutes, and it builds into something more? It was sort of elusive as well... had to really concentrate to hold things in the right places for it to continue.
The second avenue is the feeling of pleasure at the end of the session. It felt a lot like I would expect things to, actually. It is frustrating because I don't know how to get that to happen without making a lot of friction in the process. Also when I have seen people orgasm from anal sex, they seem to be taking deep thrusts, not shallow ones, so not really sure what to think. I am saying to myself... "this doesn't look like what other people are doing to enjoy it... how can this be the technique".
I have more to think about for next time, and more to read!
From my understanding, contractions seem to be key, but I have to find a configuration that feels good that also allows them in a sustained way.
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Post script:
Something funny happened after the session...
Remember how I said my nipples didn't show up for the party, but they are normally very active?
I decided to touch them half an hour later, and they were hyper-responsive now. In fact, just rubbing them for about 2 minutes caused me to have an ejaculatory orgasm, which has never happened before, ever. I wasn't trying for that either. Guess my 12 days of SR are unexpectedly ended! Oh well, will start again in a few days!
I have been thinking of my nipples as a safe way to self-pleasure without risking an ejaculation and refraction period. Guess that may have changed!
@Thistledown So again, awesome how thorough these posts are!! You seem very methodical.
I get blurred vision all the time during sexual acts (alone and coupled) but it is always because, like I’ve mentioned, I roll my eyes tons as a response to pleasure, and this is part of the grander feedback loop of arousal for me. There is one post on this forum by a guy whose session ended in floaters in his eyes, possibly from straining too hard. But I assume that is just bad luck, and wouldn’t restrain eye movement for the life of me. Also the more you do anything the stronger the muscles get...
I actually not only get blurry vision but I also get blurry memory of events after sex acts. I don’t think I am capable of writing my experiences out in such detail as you, because I sort of forget the sequence of events, and details get lost in the fog.
awesome you had an ejaculatory orgasm from nipple stimulation. I am capable of having plenty of nipple orgasms, but I never have gotten close to ejaculation....
@divine_oblivion
Yeah this was the first time I was even vaguely close with nipple stimulation. It happened so fast, and I was so turned on leading up to it. Maybe my body was craving a release after that long session, and after nearly 2 weeks. I don't think I could try to do it again, I think I had to be in just the right state.
In fact I have never had what I would call a "nipple orgasm". I get absolutely great feelings from them, and waves of pleasure as I stimulate them, that I can keep going for maybe 20 minutes or more. Sort of a state of contentment and excitement.
How would you describe your nipple orgasms? I don't think I've really heard a good description in a male yet...
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I relate to the rolling eyes thing. When things feel good, I lay back, curve the spine a bit more, and roll my eyes back as well.
@Thistledown I just tried to find an old post where I talked about it, but couldn't, so here goes:
Both types of nipple orgasms I have had, I discovered after my disassociation of ejaculation and orgasm, AKA re-wiring. I now have a new definition of an orgasm, which is simply a build up, plateau or peak, and release. So I don't know if they would be easy to access for someone who hasn't completely re-wired their circuit board yet (I believe you haven't, right?), but heck, here it is.
One type of nipple orgasm involves a feedback loop between the prostate and the nipples. It is actually just aless, in the sense that the orgasmic epicenter is my prostate, though it the pleasure is generated in my nipples. I stroke my nipples, get a ping in my prostate, which turns me on more, making my nipples more and more sensitive, and continue till orgasm. This happens solo for the most part, but also when a partner very gently caresses and sucks on my nipples, chest and armpits.
The other is an orgasm based solely in nipples, though it can happen to me anywhere on my body with the right stimulation. With enough stimulation, I get the same feeling as a dry orgasm, just with no apparent feedback loop with the prostate, so the sensation resonates in my breast or nipple. I get them usually from having a partner lick and bite my nipples. I think for me they are often "pain" related-- I most often have these orgasms from being pinched, scratched, and bit. (I use quotation marks for "pain", because I have masochistic tendencies. I now associate pain with pleasure, and if being "hurt" gives me an extreme hard-on and orgasms, is it really painful? I recently had an minor operation, and some of the things that I should have found painful by most standards, were translated by my newfound orgasmic capacity into peaks of pleasure.) They can happen to me from sweeter and more sensual touch too... I think. Again, my memory is pretty bad when it comes to details of the orgasmic parts of my sex life.
Look at @Wuerstchen's posts, like this one. There are plenty of good techniques and description if you read through the commentaries as well as the original posts.
I would try this as an exercise: while you are stimulating your nipples, and you feel things getting more and more exciting try any of the following things:
--see if you feel a sensation in your prostate, and if so amplify it through concentrating on it.
--try pelvic basin muscles contractions to see if that creates sensations. the levator prostate is the one that does it for me, but also other muscles.
--flex other muscles to see if that brings you to a peak. Like chest muscles. Or do the opposite, relax them. The key is, be aware of their tension.
--create a sort of fake/forced physiological orgasm, do whatever you might do when you orgasm while masturbating traditionally...
--if you are masochistic, or even if not, try clothespins. Place them anywhere and everywhere, see what happens. A well placed clothespin at the right moment sends me flying.
Hope that helps.
@divine_oblivion
I now have a new definition of an orgasm, which is simply a build up, plateau or peak, and release. So I don't know if they would be easy to access for someone who hasn't completely re-wired their circuit board yet (I believe you haven't, right?), but heck, here it is.
Yeah that is the definition that fits what I think of an an orgasm... that cycle, but not necessarily paired with ejaculation. I think I am somewhere in the middle of that process. I have had good experiences... not really sure what to call them... maybe they were orgasms, or maybe they would be called pleasure waves. I didn't have the release phase, just build and plateau. Have had some experiences that resembled an orgasm response, but had no pleasure, hehe! I don't think I have quite reached what people call "super-O's" around here, or a "proper" prostate orgasm yet.
My sense of sexuality definitely has already dramatically changed. There is a much higher emotional component to it now, and a wider range of things are errogenous, which I find positive.
Thanks for you descriptions of your experience with nipple orgasms! It is good to have a baseline of what others experience. From what I feel now... it feels like similar could be down the line for me later.
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I don't think I have really had a conversation with a dedicated sexual-masochist before. I haven't felt the urge to explore that field, but in my mind, it feels like it might be a sort of "empowerment", in the sense that you are taking joy in what would normally hurt others. It makes a person less vulnerable and more in control of their life and situation... and in that sense a dominant personality might enjoy it as much as a submissive one. At least that is what it looks like from the outside.
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I do get pelvic responses to nipple pleasure... I think my body tends to move them toward what is familiar, which is the contraction preceding an ejaculation. I will have to do what you say and try flexing the other muscles I contract when I feel enjoyment!
@Thistledown good, it sounds like you are getting places if you are feeling changes in your sexuality and arousal, and if you are having some sort of build up to a plateau!
There are really a lot of descriptions of male nipple orgasms, if you search through old threads. And you can find lots of awesome techniques for caressing. My favorite is starting with my fingertips in my armpits (right hand-right armpit, left-left) and stroking excruciatingly slowly towards my nipples. When my nails hit my nipple tips it is wild. After a few strokes, I stop halfway to my nipples and pretend I am going to go further, but don't. This standstill and anticipation can push me over the edge.
Masochism and sadism are rather new to me in the sense that I only recently realized that i was into them. Ten years ago I disliked pain, and was timid when spanking or dominating otherwise. Over the years, and bit by bit (bite by bite?), I accepted more and more pain, as it was associated with extremely pleasureful sexual moments as well. Then a few months ago a woman asked me if I was into S and M. I said no not at all. She said, “I think you are, I just bit your flank for 10 minutes as hard as I could and you were screaming with pleasure and had a raging hard on.” So then I started actively searching for pain, and I realized that it can bring me insane amounts of pleasure. When it is very violent there is an aspect of fear and submission which is incredibly arousing, but the pain alone is enough for me to be turned on, through stimulation of nerve endings. The idea of empowerment that you mention is so far away from my mind, as my reactions are very animalistic, and I don’t have any brain energy to analyze the moment, seeing as am high as heck on pleasure. There is more possibility for analysis from the sadistic end, but I have experimented less with that...
So in writing this, I realized that I have had a sort of rewiring over the years for all things painful. When a partner bit me hard ten years ago, I told her to stop because I didn’t like it. Now I scream with pleasure and have orgasms. Even a year ago I didn’t like being scratched-- I remember telling a partner specifically not to scratch me. Now it makes my brain pop out of my head with pleasure or orgasm immediately, and I am covered in scratch marks as I write this. I think it was a slow conditioning that brought me here. That is, every time I have a new break through, my repertory of sensations that I like gets bigger. I was slapped many times by partners in a way that did nothing for me, or that I didn't like. But one time a partner slapped me in a way that turned me on, and since then, it has been incredible every time.
The same goes for sadism. Before I was too scared to hurt a partner. Now I relish the power, the control, and the creativity, as well as the pleasure my partner gets from pain. But it was a slow process to get to where I am.
I wonder if everyone is capable of re-wiring for this type of pleasure... masochism is probably as low on the list of priorities for people as prostate play is, and the venn-diagram of prostate-players and masochists probably doesn't contain a lot of us in the middle. But masochism isn't too far off from this prostate play world, in that it is a pleasureful re-appropriation of physiological reactions to stimuli...
So maybe pain will do nothing for you, but it doesn't hurt (or does it?) to try things out!
Hello @Thistledown I'm loving your honest and detailed documented write ups of your sex machine progress. Please keep these coming. I've wanted to try one of these machines for years so I'm very intrigued how your getting on and your progress each session. Good luck. Can't wait for your next one.
@Thistledown , interesting new road your traveling on your journey. I am so intrigued. I would love to try this road but home life is difficult enough at the moment. I do have a question though, have you tried placing a condom over the tool of choice and using a good grade silicone lube? I made the switch to silicone last year I think and have not looked back. stays slick for so long. I usually prelube with 0.2ml for steel tools and 0.5ml for plastic. I can remove and reinsert several hours later with just a drop on the tool before rejoining and keep going as if I never stopped.
Yeah, the thought has ocurred to me! These toys are some grade of silicone...sometimes silicone lubes react with silicone toys, but it depends on their composition. I think the 100% medical grade silicone is the least reactive (in theory not at all), but these are something more like "food grade" maybe? Can try to test them with a silicone lube on the back sometime, to see if they degrade at all after a couple days of sitting. A condom is a good idea in general for sex toys. Only thing is, if these toys are some kind of silicone that reacts with silicone lube, it gets pretty hard not to make contact between them at some point, even just slipping the condom off to wash. Silicone lube has a magical way of getting literally everywhere. It will get onto your hands whether you want it to or not, then suddenly you are dropping things, and it has won.
An alternative could be to use an attachment they have which is a plate that a suction cup dildo can attach to, and then get something guaranteed silicone lube-safe.
I would love to try this road but home life is difficult enough at the moment.
I do this stuff at night, when I won't disturb anyone, lol. Haven't really told anyone about it, but I would not be embarrassed to explain it and why I enjoy it if I needed to. I am a pretty open person, and not demure about personal things. Usually the other person's modesty exceeds mine, hehe.
Session 5:
This session was pretty good, sort of like a continuation of session 3 and 4.
Before this session I was feeling very relaxed and open / aroused. I had a session with Aneros just before, as a warm up, and was feeling wonderful... maybe midly euphoric even.
I opted for the long, low-friction stroke. I think I felt the best feelings when the stroke was at its lowest point, and it kissed the sensitive region around the inner anus, and presumably what must have been the prostate region. Felt pretty good. I guess I would describe it as a "contentment" more than anything.
A slow, continuous flow of good feelings. Not really like a sexual buildup as males tend to think of them... more like being sedated into an altered state of mind, full of whispers and absinthe and a soft light at the end of a dark hall. It was full of flowing texture, and hard to describe outside of abstractions, because the mental component was dominant.
That's such a funny way to think of being fucked by a sex machine, but it felt really gentle and soothing.
I gently contracted my PC muscles, maybe a bit more every 5 minutes. The feeling built a bit, but I didn't really want to force anything. I just sort of melted into it
The whole thing lasted maybe an hour, and afterward I just sort of reclined and drank it in.
I sort of carried the sensual energy with me the next few days as well. It didn't really feel like a release, it felt like the opposite... building kindling and being sent, and then left there.
I think over time I will learn the release as well, but this is good too!
I get a general feeling that a lot of future sessions will probably resemble this one for a while, maybe with subtle changes or additions.
Ok Sorry for the lapse guys! I've been busy with some life-related stuff, but I have had a good number more sessions. We are maybe on session 12 or so, so let's run with that!
Session 12?:
So at this point, I've switched to using two lubricants in tandem: a silicone based lubricant (wet platinum), and a water-based gooey/ slippy lubricant. The silicone lube seems to hang around longer, but doesn't keep all of its slidey feeling after much time. The water-based one over the top of it seems to compliment it for whatever reason.
One issue I've always had is that I need A LOT of lube to start, and I need to give it time to get squished into all the surfaces, or I get a lot of bad friction sort of feelings toward the entrance.
This session lead to a qualitatively different place than all the others before. It lasted maybe half an hour. After about 15 minutes of letting things "settle in" as I described above, I started to get a strange sense of "urgency" in my pelvic-adominal region, like I needed to expel something from my urethra. I sort of felt myself strain into that feeling, but nothing was produced.
I tried to relax again after that, and re-applied lube to keep things slippery. After a while another sort of feeling emerged, that I would describe as an abdominal tension. I felt compelled to bear down a bit, and a groaned with the fairly strong feelings that flowed in. I released, and then felt the urge to bear down again, and the same feeling resulted again. The sensation this cycle created built gradually over time, over the course of about 5 minutes. I was flooded with so much feeling that it even felt too much, and I called things off at that point, and layed there, for maybe a solid 10 minutes.
I had this overwhelming feeling of "done now!" that sort of swept over me, I felt a gentle sort of contentment, and I felt compelled to be held. It reminded me strikingly of the archetypal female post-orgasm response.
It was something like an orgasm I'd say, just different from the ones I am used to. It was odd in that although the contractions and bearing down were voluntary, they felt strongly compelled. I wonder what would have happened had I not beared down rhythmically like that...
I am enjoying that these experiences seem to lead to so many places and mental states, and the possibilities don't seem nearly exhausted!
Session 15: A Victory lap?
Ok, last night I had what is unquestionably the best night I have ever had for solo play. I almost fainted from the intensity of relentless sexual pleasure, and only stopped due to physical exhaustion, hours later. I pretty much lost control of my vocalizations. I will probably feel the psychological effects for a week or more, currently feel "shadow orgasms" the next day, and I am gearing up to do it again in a few days, when I've rested enough. Today (the day after), I am left with a torrent of positive energy, and a pervasive sense of well-being.
Despite trying for stuff like this, it never really came together until now, and it was sort of a fortuitous perfect-storm of factors that seemed to favor last night turning out as well as it did.
I've been practicing with a combination of Aneros products, thrusting dildos, and a mid-level consumer rotary sex machine ( see my topic here for more info on the latter any my experiences with it: https://community.aneros.com/community/for...ne-experiences ). The different mentalities and approaches associated with each have been pretty complimentary. While the sex machine wasn't the magic bullet per se, once I had unlocked enough concepts and wiring / rewiring through other means, its full potential was unlocked.
Ok, so what was different about the situation leading up to this time, that I think contributed?
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1. I have been practicing self-discipline in not pleasuring myself the normal way. I have been practicing voluntary chastity for months, off and on. At that point, I had been 8-9 days without any sort of sexual release (normal for me is every day or two). I've been doing this to give my body a chance to associate pleasure with receptive anal stimulation, instead of the normal means, and also to build baseline arrousal. Usually after 4-6 days of this, I am incredibly arroused all the time, and I am at risk of my body overriding my will and "tricking me" into a release. It plateaus after 9 days or so, and boils a bit lower, but continues at a fairly high level from then on.
2. Before the session, I decided to reschedule one of my exercise sessions to happen right before, in the hopes that it might compliment the sexual activity. I did heavy core, waist, and thigh exercise to the point of failure, to the point of being borderline unable to stand, and having a quivering core. The goal here was to create spasms and muscle shaking which could compliment sexual tension and amplify feeling.
3. I've developed an interesting new trait, where my rectal passage grows excited from sexual arrousal and pressure from something like a plug, and as a result produces a copious amount of lubricating secretions in heavy volume, and continually. These days after a session, I need to take out any toys over a towel or the toilet, since about two or three tablespoons of natural lubricant will immediately drop out next. Best of all is it is totally superior to any kind of lube I've used in the past. A big problem is that I would constantly need to re-apply lube every few minutes to keep things sliding if I was doing any thrusting. Now I don't need external lube at all, which is mind-blowing. I seemed to get here from favoring anal play (and thus having my body naturally respond to it when I am in the mood), using toys which exert pressure outward, and being extra arroused.
Something which probably helped this develop was an inflatable plug: ( https://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Expa...4&s=hpc&sr=1-1 ). If you haven't tried something like this, it is super-recommended, for the sorts of sensations it can create all on its own, and the price is very low for the amazing value of the experiences it produces. Every time you pump the bulb, it grows and exerts a new level of pressure on the prostate and surrounding rectal canal... the sense of something growing inside has to be experience to be appreciated. Double++ recommended.
4. I chose to refrain from eating for 20 hours or so leading up to the session. The reason I did this is that I wanted to be entirely "empty" in that sense. When I am in the throes of anal pleasure, it often triggers a peristalic effect and involuntary bearing down, and no matter how well or deeply I seem to clean, after a while "accidents happen". This has often ruined may good sessions, because there will be cleanup, then re-cleaning, and re-lubricating, and it takes you right out of the moment. The fasting compromise seems best for me, and may be for others.
5. I got a new attachment for the sex machine, a spring segment that goes between the dildo and driving arm, which allows the dildo to flex to new angles, and reduces the stiff pressure it would otherwise have, as well as allowing for more of a window of error in positioning the angle of the machine to align with my passage (this is a huge issue with these machines, and eats up a lot of time in the start of a session, but this is pretty much the solution). More about this later.
6. In the week leading up, I spent a lot of time doing activities to get arroused. Reading erotic material, looking at erotic imagery and videos, and anytime I felt the urge to pleasure, I focused on nipples or light anal play instead. Doing this really built up a frenzied level of sexual interest.
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Ok, so here is how the session went down:
I spent about 5 minutes with the inflatable plug, exerting moderate pressure on my canal and prosate to help get the natural lubricant stirring.
I then relaxed in bed with an Aneros Helix, and did the normal Aneros type routines, building excitement, holding gentle tension, relaxing into the feelings, etc. My Aneros sessions don't yet get to the point of conclusion or intensity my other play does yet, but they are enjoyable in their own right, and a different kind of experience. I did light nipple play during part of the session (I have fairly live nipples that respond well to various kinds of rhythmic touch). This was about an hour or so.
Next I did an hour and a half of core, waist, and leg exercises (oblique spinning around a dowel on my shoulders, oblique bending with the dowel, thigh lunges, squats, crunches, various kinds of modified crunch presses, etc. After the lunges in particular, I had trouble standing, and my core was quivering; I went a bit harder than normal to get this effect.
I went back to the inflatable plug, and used it for 10 minutes or so, which made my super wet and dripping. While I was doing this, I setup the machine for later. I angled it upward at a 30 degree incline, so that it would be lined up with me when I was reclining in a chair, and put pressure somewhere between centered on the canal, and toward the prostate. I also got a small, deep steel bowl for collecting urine (since I tend to squirt it out when having some kinds of orgasms).
I sat down in the chair, with a towel over it, and turned on some videos from a playlist. I selected these particular videos because they featured constant thrusting actions, were fairly long, they featured rhythmic music which is an aid in establishing a good rhythm, and because I could easily identify with the female subjects receiving penetration in each scene.
As the first video was winding up, I easily inserted a 7 inch dildo with a smooth finish to it. I started a series of slow thrusts, which have the purpose of getting the internal natural lubricant to coat itself to the dildo, and then to also get distributed evenly over all the internal surfaces. It also allows the inner sphincter, which as opposed to the outer sphincter, is not under full conscious control, but can be made to relax if things are taken slowly, and you let tension go. I don't bear down or clench, I just let things ease in. After a few minutes of this, I switch to a faster stroke, to start getting acclimated to being self-fucked. There are four main kinds of strokes which I use, which all have roles:
1.Centered strokes: I use these to start, to reduce tension, to relax when things get out of control, and for when things are at high intensity already, and no further stim is needed to keep building things
2. Prostate targeted strokes: I use these somewhat early on, when things have gotten started. I will impact the prostate pretty directly for short sustained intervals, and this tends to "wake things up", and get the mounting of pleasure starting. I don't do this for long periods of time though, because it builds too fast to be pleasurable in a controlled fashion, and because it will lead to soreness if used too much.
3. Prostate grazing strokes: this one is a mainstay, and what I do most of the time. They are angled slightly upward toward the prostate, 10-20 degrees up from the natural axis of the rectal canal. Each time the head of the dildo passes the prostate it rolls over it, and builds a little bit of pleasure in a way that can slowly work up to very high levels if sustained.
4. A fluid motion that points down toward the back of the canal on entering, then rotates upward and pressed across prostate as it is leaving: I do this one occasionally, because it creates a different kind of feeling, which seems like it advances things in a new direction. I do it slowly, deliberately, and with gentle pressure.
After things have warmed up, I match my dildo strokes to the action on screen. I begin identifying with the woman receiving penetration, and feel her pleasure as mine. This is partially mental, and partially quite direct, as a lot of these strokes produce very powerful pleasure responses that build continually. It is not at all hard to picture myself in her position when my headspace and stimulation and experience is so similar. I am basically in heaven at this point.
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It feels like... a mixture between that "about to come!" urgency and pressure, and a feeling of prolonged orgasm that lasts for minutes at once. It is centered in the pelvic region, but radiates feelings out elsewhere. In my mind, I feel like I am about to achieve an orgasm, but the feeling of chasing it is so good it is like an orgasm itself in its own right. Having experienced that now for a while, I can relate to what women mean when they say they didn't come but still thoroughly enjoyed themselves and were satisfied. The feeling is so intense that I lose all sense of an outside world and it occupies my mindspace completely. I lose track of time, and dip through various levels of focus and awareness. It basically a kind of sexual trance. When things are waxing stronger, I vocalize fairly intently, and it feels borderline involuntary. A mixture of squeals, wimpers, moans, and empassioned swearing. I think ultimately this stage lasted about 3 hours. There were maybe a couple dozen orgasm-type events, although what I would call an orgasm is a bit grey. In some sense, it is like the whole experience was a series of long orgasms.
I had a bowl with me, because everytime I would approach a climax that felt like the one that precedes an ejaculation (albeit 5x stronger), I would drip a bit of pre-come fluid and then spurt a fountain of urine mixed with various other fluids. It is like a kind of "pee-gasm" that resembles the idea of squirting in women. There pretty much always seems to be urine involved, and there never seems to be a traditional ejaculation, even though it feels like that is what is coming. It doesn't matter that I already went to the bathroom beforehand... there seems to be an endless supply of it from somehwere.
Something also happened over time, where my prostate came to require (and desire) less and less direct contact to produce the same sorts of response. After a while, only lightly grazing it would produce a lot of feeling, and the same orgasmic buildup. It was like was "waking up" and becoming more reponsive and sensitive, and I had to respond by backing off.
After an hour, I switched to the sex machine, with the same dildo as before. Now that my prostate was very live, the sorts of sensations the machine produced seemed to reach their highest level of potential. I just sort of melted into it. Now that my hands were also free, I used them to tweak the hand-held speed/intensity dial to match the speed of what was happening at various times in the video scenes, to keep the sense of erotic immersion. It was super effective.
I also took the opportunity to start caressing my bare nipples, and WOW, this was unexpected; normally this produces quite a lot of great feelings and pleasure, but something about doing it in this moment, when I was in a sexual frenzy, with a live prostate, and being fucked by a relentless machine in a dreamy fashion, and enjoying an erotic fantasy of projecting into video scenes made some magic happen. The sensation of my nipples was an electric torrent of pure, unadulterated pleasure reponse, and seemed to synergize with the feelings in my prostate. It felt so amazingly good in a way it never has, that I just squealed loudly and involuntarily for the duration I did it.
This experience was so immensely satisfying in a way I can't even convey, and yet after dozens of refractory-less orgasms, my arrousal and libido was untouched. I want to do it immediately again the next opportunity I get, and for as often as I can manage in the forseeable future. The feeling of being there was so profound I am just left with the desire to return. My pelvic region aches to be penetrated again. And I don't think I even reached the peak of the mountain... as impossibly good as it was, I get the impression that are yet more powerful experiences left.
Afterward, I just sort of lay still in the chair, and couldn't really walk. I was so hyped up it took me hours to partially come down from that, and was left with "afterglow" type effects.
It feels like a chapter of my life, of chasing a certain kind of dragon has concluded with actually catching him.
So to recap, here is what went well, and what contributed to this incredible experience:
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-Mixing different forms of anal stimulation in a complimentary fashion
-mid-length chastity
-ignoring penis completely
-nipple play
-building arrousal over the course of days with erotic content
-developing a sense of arousal and sexual response that generates heavy rectal lubrication (this was so key)
-learning the main types of thrusting strokes and when to use them
-learning how to warm up prostrate gradually in steps
-having empty GI tract
-the sex machine helped a lot, but was not a critical part (although it did triple the time things ran, due to relieving me from having to self-pleausre continously)
-exercising before hand in a way that created muscle spasms which could translate to sexual energy
-having prepped beforehand, and having solutions ready for stuff like urination during orgasms
-having worked my body up to accepting and welcoming this kind of act over a couple years without pain or discomfort
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I suspect having worked all of this out, the pure Aneros experiences with techniques like the "do nothing method" will also get easier to unlock, as all of this stuff feels pretty tied together.
I tried to be extra detail-oriented to catch everything I felt was significant, since I know it may be useful, and don't like when other guides leave out what feels like critical info.
I hope all of this helps some people out, and is motivating for those starting to pursue these goals!