MMO, semen retention and vasocongestion (aka 'Blue Balls')

@rumel Thanks again, really informative links you got there! You gotta be really careful when applying pressure on the prostate, had no idea the rectal wall was so incredibly thin.

So, I'm back on day 4 now ...

Me back on day zero now, after one full hour of tremendeous aless in the morning featuring mmos and two really great superOs. Finally could not resist to shoot my load and I can tell it was a big one. This evening I liked another one. It's funny but I still feel loaded and there are still strong vibes and some involuntaries now and then. But I'm too sleepy now to go on. Have a good time, guys!

@SOwithoutAneros - we are in the same boat. Saturday I had to reset the count too (was only on day 4 anyways). Was having sex and fucking, and had been going for about an hour and having strong orgasms but felt really in control the whole time. Just out of nowhere when I went to stop for a minute to take a break I felt a few contractions in the base of my spine, definitely the ejaculation reflex. I was able to use my muscles to stop it, but was too late. Arousal levels and erection went way down. Was still able to get my erection back in 5 min and continue fucking, and didn't cum, but I know I have to restart.

it sorta sucks cause I didn't really get to enjoy the ejaculation. Each time I ejaculated on my first (made it 8 days), and this my second attempt (made it 4 days) at SR I've been trying to hold it off or stop the ejaculation. and each time I was successful enough that I did stop the ejaculation, in both cases no fluid shot out. I did that with a really strong held contraction once I went a bit too far. But it was too late in both cases.

(That said, there were a lot of times my technique of a strong held contraction once near the edge did work to fight off ejaculating - I just went too far)

so day 1 for me now. Lesson learned. Just be more careful!!!! I got carried away in a solo session at the end of my first attempt. And then a bit careless during the session with my partner yesterday. I should have been way more focused on my goal of SR instead of just fucking and having good orgasms without as much regard to paying attention to where the point of no return was. It just snuck up on me without warning cause I was fucking too hard and fast (and enjoying strong orgasms) without paying attention to my body. I should have been doing both. Slowed down the pleasure, prolong it, and enjoy it while being careful enough to know where the edge was exactly.

I should have been doing both.

Hey, @shockedwaves, don't beat yourself up, it's a journey. Enjoy all the other great things in this experience, you've had wonderful sex, so, what's been "wrong"? Absolutely nothing. Or did your partner blame you for anything? Wouldn't it be boring if everything happens as planned with our first trying? Your body and your mind are still learning and they both will remember. At noon I lay myself down on bed only for a short rest. At once involuntaries took over, it's so awesome, how things changed. Keep in mind what a great progress you've already made and keep on having fun!
Perhaps some voluntarily ruined orgasms may help you to determine the stop line before your personal PONR more exactly. It feels a bit cruel but somehow I liked it. Good vibes and keep us posted!

@SOwithoutAneros - thanks for putting things into perspective. i just had high expectations that this would be "easy". but you're right - i had great sex, and like 30 orgasms. I really shouldn't be complaining.

I think it's good to occasionally bump the walls of the box on this and postpone ejaculation. However my Urologist subscribes to the thought that regular ejaculation exercises one's GU system. That may have been based on a study of the incidence rates of Prostate Cancer in aging males as a function of ejaculation frequency when they were in their 20's.

Here are some readings on the subject:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1464-410X.2003.04319.x/full

http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/198487?=quot;,gt;

i had great sex, and like 30 orgasms. I really shouldn't be complaining.

@shockedwaves, that's the right mindset, my dear! If you'd like to play some ruined orgasm games I suggest to try edgemeplease.com, it's a cruel play but nevertheless a wonderful exercise for holding back ejaculations. Cheers!

Yeah, I've played that game a couple of times. It was fun. I think I have to avoid some cock stimulation for a few days though:)

Me back on day zero now, after one full hour of tremendeous aless in the morning featuring mmos and two really great superOs.

Wow! That sounds absolutely amazing! Do you even need an Aneros if you've learned to master aless?

... That may have been based on a study of the incidence rates of Prostate Cancer in aging males as a function of ejaculation frequency when they were in their 20's.

There might be a correlation between ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer, but it's too uncertain to say for sure. The studies you linked to have been very criticised for it's execution. Basically they asked older men to recall their ejaculation frequency in their twenties, which is not a very accurate method to determine if it's correlated to prostate cancer. The following quote is from this link (and I strongly recommend you to check it out: http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/discussion-of-prostate-research

Previous investigations on reported ejaculation frequencies or sexual intercourse and prostate cancer are limited to studies of retrospective design and results are mixed. Nine studies observed a statistically significant^{1, 23-27} or non significant^28-30positive association; 3 studies^{27, 31-32} reported no association;7 studies found a statistically significant^{4-5,10, 33} or non-significant^34-36inverse relationship; and 1 study³⁷ found a U-shaped relationship. Nine^{4, 24-25,27, 30-32,35-36} of the aforementioned studies found little or no variation in prostate cancer risk according to sexual activity during different ages.

What appears to be the REAL cause of prostate cancer if you look at various other studies are intake of dairy and meet. I strongly recommend everyone who love and cares about their prostate to check out the following video where the following studies are condensed into something more digestible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXWaCfWi1_U

For those of you who want the hard core evidence to scroll through, here they are: (also linked in the YouTube video above thanks to Mike's work)

34% increase in prostate cancer for high dairy study:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

Drinking milk vs no milk = 68% more prostate cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15...

Adolescent Daily Milk = 302% increase prostate cancer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic...

Increase in prostate cancer wiht dairy Japan:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12...

Dairy and Vitamin D and Prostate Cancer:
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/con...

Many people get upset with these findings since meet and dairy are such a huge part of the western lifestyle. However, fact is fact. If you truly care about your prostate, going vegan is the only way to go.

Wow! That sounds absolutely amazing! Do you even need an Aneros if you've learned to master aless?

Hi @JoeCrix84, indeed, it's really tremendous!

And no, I'd say you don't need an Aneros necessarily, but it still can help you to pave your way and to push things forward. As with workout, where your muscles only grow during recovery phase, I think, Aless has been accelerating my progress. But in the end I believe you "neverthAless" need both, a wild ride with your Aneros from time to time and as many Aless fun as you like in between.

If you feel like on a plateau take your Aneros in for a ride again and your journey will make another time warp but even during my Aless phases I experience some big steps forward. Last but not least it's very easy to have much more fun every now and then without all that cleaning issues.

This afternoon I lay down on bed for about an hour, after positioning on my stomach and bending my left leg I nearly at once have had wonderful MMOs and later on one nice SuperO - without any preparation or cleaning up afterwards - apart from some precum stains in my briefs, 😉

During that session the telephone rang, I got up to answer it but was a little too late, got back to bed and carried on just where I had stopped, it's like reading a book, having a break, taking it up and going on reading again, absolutely fascinating.

By the way, this morning I experienced my first lotioning hands orgasm - meanwhile I can lead almost every touching into a sexual experience. Try to hold your palms as near together as you can without touching, feel the warmth of the opposite hand, try some touches as soft as possible, rub your palms against each other as smooth as you can, close your eyes and focus only on your hands, feel arousal coming up, focus on your gland and back on your hands, only thinking about it I just had to pause for a slight chairgasm. And when you can make noises, hum, groan, moan, it will double your pleasure. It's all about focus and I rather think that could be the reason for some monks to build those thick abbey walls. 😉

Have fun! Live is wonderful. I am overgrateful.

Hi @JoeCrix84..."neverthAless"

See what you did there... clever

Hi @JoeCrix84, indeed, it's really tremendous!

And no, I'd say you don't need an Aneros necessarily, but it still can help you to pave your way and to push things forward.

I'm seriously amazed, can't stop smiling! It just came to my mind, what a great gift... like the best sex toy there is! You always carry it with you and no one will notice, awesome! How long did it take for you to reach that level of expertise?

Hi @JoeCrix84this morning I experienced my first lotioning hands orgasm

Lol! (as in the original intent of the abbreviation 'lol' = laughing out loud) The brain keeps on fascinating me every day! And in a way it makes sense... we don't have any specific set of "penis nerves", "prostate nerves" or "vaginal nerves"... they're all just nerves in various amounts, sending signals to the brain when stimulated. I don't see why you couldn't teach the brain to have an orgasm by touching other body parts than those in the genital area 🙂 David Eagleman, a scientist, have developed a vest that takes external information (could be from anything really) and converts into electrical stimuli onto the skin. The skin sends the information to the brain which then does it's best to interpret those signals. After a few days, the patient, in this case being a deaf person, could interpret words being signaled to the vest by a microphone and eventually write down the words 'the vest heard'! Absolutely stunning!

Check it out for your self (Ted talk) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1lqFXHvqI

I'm seriously amazed, can't stop smiling!

Thank you for your words, @JoeCrix84, your smiling is infectious! 😀

It just came to my mind, what a great gift... like the best sex toy there is! You always carry it with you and no one will notice, awesome! How long did it take for you to reach that level of expertise?

I think naming the half year since I bought my first Aneros device would not satisfy your question .
(BTW, in between the collection already has grown to a bunch of six. :o)
No, instead I'd dare say it took five decades to get me where I am - on my personal journey. No kidding! I firmly believe that every single step of my personality development has changed the way I feel, I think and how I react.

Before we can compare our journeys or even dare to draw conclusions we have to take a look in depth at all the differences or - may be - similarities of our lives. Otherwise me must fail with all our efforts to achieve any of the other's results.

So, despite this won't keep this posting short,
let's try a halfway short and hopefully not too off-topic summary in extracts of my after all five decades: Grown up under the regiment of a quite strict and authoritarian father and with mother's affectionate cosing and caring, my youth was characterized by obedience as well as by hugs and cuddles and by the changing society norms of the 60s, 70s and 80s. Being a quite shy schoolboy I only had a few tender love affairs to some girls of my age and left even high school as a virgin.
My hidden interest for the same sex was all present and became evident in my arousal when wrestling with the boys of my age on the play yard or at school. For some time to most of the boys of my class it had been the flavor of the month to grab each other's privates when romping around or playing tag. Me and my table companion had kept on grabbing each other's crotch even during the lessons mostly accompanied by lustful erections. Sometimes it was difficult to deal with it, sometimes it was pure lust.
When a playmate from my neighborhood once asked me: "Are you gay?" I was shocked and denied it, although at the same time I had been sitting on his chest and kneeling on his biceps - we named it muscle riding - and even more lustful I had been grabbing his private parts.
Though these wrestling games had always felt more like joyful titillation than like erotic play or even sex this one question led to a constant questioning of my sexual orientation.
Psychological tests, I have done now and then in the need to get some answers, without exception revealed a gay factor of about 50 percent. The arousal I feel while only hugging with my better half or even when only looking at some attractive girls did never subside. One of my latest favorites for stimulation while edging is watching the girls in "C*ck Hero Frenzy" on P*rnhub, and as assured watching them open their thighs gets me hard in no time and "drives me into pure desperation". It's really cruel when coping with SR. As I am on day 7 of SR again I doubt it would be a good idea to give it a try, while my aching balls say "Please!!!".
[P.S. I did cope with the challenge, yesss! With aching blue balls and denied! Cruel thing!]
But all the years it felt much easier to get into something with a man than to deal with the consequences of a sidestep with a woman.
Key reason may have been that since puberty erotic games with boys or later with men never lost their playful attitude. A love affair with a woman instead would have meant so much more to me. My social need for harmony, such as saying »yes« when I actually mean »no« may have led to communication problems in my long time relationship. And my unfulfilled sex life determined my avoidance behavior, characterized by periods of addictive use of porn and masturbation. At the same time my empathy and sensitivity restricted my strong urge to demand my satisfaction from my partner.
As it's said "you can't love somebody if you don't love yourself", all the resulting self-satisfaction may have been the best teacher to discover my sexual needs and preferences. And having sex with a partner of my own gender revealed itself not as cautious and limited by exaggerated considerations as it used to happen with my better half, who mostly seemed hindered to give in or even surrender to her own lust.
Luckily having met some really sensitive and perceptive guys I experienced a wider variety of sexual practices and kinks two or more men can share. Most helpful out of all these experiences especially concerning my ability of letting go I consider Thai massages a stunning gay Asian gave me several times, always followed by a rape-like inner massage of my anal canal and prostate using skillfully his respectable mushroom-headed member.

Loosing quite a lot of my sex drive in a relatively creeping way since my late 40s the Aneros massagers came to rescue me and with awakening my gland they, too, gave me the gift of Aless providing me with sexual pleasure available at any time and in any place as often and as long and intense I like.

What a wonderful trend reversal and what excellent outlooks!
@JoeCrix84, stick to it! It's worth every effort!

The brain keeps on fascinating me every day! [...] I don't see why you couldn't teach the brain to have an orgasm by touching other body parts than those in the genital area 🙂 [...] Absolutely stunning!

Affirmative!

Check it out for your self (Ted talk) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1lqFXHvqI

Isn't it fascinating? This morning I let my arms hang down and focused on my palms I yesterday had sensitized. It worked, my hands got warm and vibrant and Kundalani woke up and arose to give me a wonderful standinggasm as he - just typing this - is adding a chairgasm with a little throatgasm on top.

I love my life! I love myself! I love you all! 😮 Squeal with glee!
(It must have been singgasms what made Michael dance as he did!)
Good vibes!!!

By the way, this is post No.

That must mean at least something! If not the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, then what else?
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Thank you for your words, @JoeCrix84, your smiling is infectious! 😀

Thank you @SOwithoutAneros for that awesome post #42, the best I've read of all forums I've ever been on... and it was delicately planned by universe itself!

That must mean at least something! If not the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything, then what else?

Totally! A thousand years from now, when Mars or Kepler-186f, is our second home, man will look back at this (by then) ancient thread in search for words of wisdom!:rolleyes: I might be young, but if anything, your story affirms the already (for me) discovered truth that life isn't black and white at all... it's more like fifty shades of grey;) Language is a great tool, but it's also a great barrier for understanding the real truth. We humans LOVE to put labels on everything, including ourselves and those around us! "You're gay".. You're straight".."You're bi"... etc. Sure, it makes it easier to put things in context, but life isn't that black and white, life simply is.

Love to you all!

@JoeCrix84, already addicted to your words, from now on I will be hopelessly fallen for you. :rolleyes: Sigh!

Flying too high
With some guy
In the sky
Is my i
-dea of nothing to do,
Yet I get a kick out of you.
(Cole Porter)

Let's go back to the ultimate wisdom of the universe, let's go back to math, what do you get out of Joe Crix' 84 devided by 2? Eureka!
What if the real truth is only reachable of us, yes, 4-2-of-us, for two of all the human beings?
What if these two are you and me? 😉
Sorry to all you other guys, perhaps we can give you a lift, when we have completed our final transition?
But for now, so sorry, folks, be kind, please look right here (into this flashy thing)! 😎

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Well @SOwithoutAneros... the stars have aligned :rolleyes:

On day 15 of SR again, back from business trip with tremendous Aless in motel bed, horny as hell, yesterday evening I did four hours of precum milking while watching porn and reading edge and denial quotes on some femdom pages on tumblr, today edging until precum is leaking every other hour. Balls feeling heavy but not blue. Very strong urge to ejaculate. Involuntaries and leaking precum while writing this. I need it so bad! Don't know how long I can withstand.

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Haha!

Sounds fantastic @SOwithoutAneros ! I'm amazed your balls isn't killing you...

I'm on day 12 now. I just "survived" 4 days of CONSTANT blue balls... my balls were hurting like hell, but it was nothing like the pain I felt in the pelvic region... It was sooo tempting to just ejaculate to get rid of the pain, but I endured. Anyway, I got out alive, all is good now 🙂 No pain.

I now know that my lube was (and has always been because I didn't know any better) a major session buster! It gave me the 'urge to purge' as someone described it... I thought that was normal but now I know otherwise. I used a organic lube without glycerine, now I'm looking for something else. Is coconut oil safe with the Helix Syn?

@JoeCrix84, :D, I must admit, my balls are aching too, but with continuous prostate milking I got at least a little release. Yesterday I put in the Tempo which was great fun and really draining my prostate. As I love the taste of my precum it was even double fun.

It's written you should use water based lubes for the silicone tools, silicone based lubes are forbidden, I like pure vaseline, especially for my little "steel Peridise".

Day 19 and horny as hell! :mad::rolleyes::o My own fault, after riding my Tempo I couldn't resist to add an edgemeplease session before bedtime.

Day 24! (And still coping with my challenge, though it's really, really hard! Sometimes I think my saliva already tastes like semen. On the other hand it occurred to me that two weeks and two days more would reach the famous 40-days-and-40-nights-line. Believe it or not, while writing the last sentence the thoughts put another heavy weight on my balls - animally perceptible!)

Day 28! Edging all night already for precum milking, so tasty! Masturbating to the very edge, then waiting until flaccid, then flexing, milking and licking precum, focusing on some aless until rock hard again and beginning the next edging while watching milkedcocks on tumblr. Still wavering between ending the challenge or trying another twelve days. Horniness on tight bearable quite high level. Good vibes!

Day 29! First time experience of SuperO right after awakening with rock-hard morning wood, second SuperO some minutes later, lazy sunday without any sexual activity, now in the evening feeling very heavy quite aching balls. I think I will go on with SR for eleven days more, that should be possible. Good vibes! (Writing down this decision caused sudden involuntaries and a semi-hardon.) Good night!