Masturbation without ejaculation

A couple of times I've second guessed whether or not I've triggered the refractory period or not when releasing semen while relaxing the contractions (mostly) away, but I tried masturbating again after my shower and I get to the edge pretty quickly where as the refractory period would have made it take a considerable amount of time and effort. This is reassuring.

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A couple of times I've second guessed whether or not I've triggered the refractory period or not when releasing semen while relaxing the contractions (mostly) away, but I tried masturbating again after my shower and I get to the edge pretty quickly where as the refractory period would have made it take a considerable amount of time and effort. This is reassuring.

yes I find these sorts of tests and this "research" a lot of fun and interesting. I look at my wife and can finely discern my feelings for her, to determine how much fallout I am suffering from a recent ejaculation. She can be a goddess, or she can be someone I love, but the difference in my perceptions is so great and finely indicates how much fallout I'm suffering from. It's quite amazing.

@simplepenguin Nice thing is it's a pretty quick test. Is it overly sensitive and hard to get pleasure from masturbating? Does it take a lot of time and effort to get back to the edge? No to both, I got back to the edge pretty quickly. Or at least I felt myself approaching the edge again, didn't feel the need to get particularly close.

I also like being aroused without that sense of urgency to get off. Usually arousal makes me feel like I need some release, but now arousal is less urgent and more calm. Not to mention I find myself a bit more energetic in general. Releasing some semen also seems to make it easier for erection to go away, bit less of a hassle temporarily.

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@simplepenguin Nice thing is it's a pretty quick test. Is it overly sensitive and hard to get pleasure from masturbating? Does it take a lot of time and effort to get back to the edge? No to both, I got back to the edge pretty quickly. Or at least I felt myself approaching the edge again, didn't feel the need to get particularly close.

I also like being aroused without that sense of urgency to get off. Usually arousal makes me feel like I need some release, but now arousal is less urgent and more calm. Not to mention I find myself a bit more energetic in general. Releasing some semen also seems to make it easier for erection to go away, bit less of a hassle temporarily.

It’s fantastic being aroused 24 7. A little semen release makes it comfortable and is lots of fun on its own. I know what you mean about less urgency to get off. 

Arousal seems to have always been my biggest hindrance when it comes to progressing with the Aneros and feeling sexual sensations beyond just my genitals. Before when I'd try semen retention I'd not get much further than 3 or 4 days because I'd get that urge to get off. I'm on day 6 I think since last ejaculation, and I rarely make it to day 7. I'm interested to see what will happen now that this has been made so much easier. I hear it takes 21 days to return to hormonal homeostasis after ejaculation, and I've never gotten that far.

This calmer arousal is what I wished I could have had for quite some time, without the frustration that comes with the urges. So infrequently would I get to the point of arousal without invoking it with porn or at least some other stimulation. I think that natural level of arousal is what's needed to fuel Aneros sessions. I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out.

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Arousal seems to have always been my biggest hindrance when it comes to progressing with the Aneros and feeling sexual sensations beyond just my genitals. Before when I'd try semen retention I'd not get much further than 3 or 4 days because I'd get that urge to get off. I'm on day 6 I think since last ejaculation, and I rarely make it to day 7. I'm interested to see what will happen now that this has been made so much easier. I hear it takes 21 days to return to hormonal homeostasis after ejaculation, and I've never gotten that far.

This calmer arousal is what I wished I could have had for quite some time, without the frustration that comes with the urges. So infrequently would I get to the point of arousal without invoking it with porn or at least some other stimulation. I think that natural level of arousal is what's needed to fuel Aneros sessions. I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out.

I’m new to aneros and arousal is my big challenge. 

@simplepenguin

Speaking of which, I wonder now if I'd be more suited to masturbating more frequently. I'd tried it before, but the urge to ejaculate would eventually get to me sooner or later. Yet more to explore I suppose.

Hey guys I recently bought and read Love Satisfies by Keepitup Johnson and I have to say that that has really helped me a lot, probably the best-described way to get the techniques down and right up the alley of this topic.  Not that I'm an expert myself but I did have at least one dry orgasm this way (I thought I had ejaculated so after a few seconds went back to masturbating and approached the point of no return again, it was interesting to say the least because I wasn't expecting that).  I don't masturbate much these days (saving it all for Aneros and Aless) but have been practicing semen retention for a few months now, basically I've ejaculated maybe 6-10 times in the last few months.  The exercises in the book were pleasant diversions but I've been too afraid of ejaculating to do them too often; I suppose that one must be willing to get it wrong before finding the perfect technique!  I don't have much insight I can give but a little hint from the book might help: momentum can carry you to ejaculation if you are going at it too hard and fast, whereas if you build up slowly and softly with lots of stopping there is a much better chance that your momentum will carry you through orgasm without ejaculating. 

The way I'm doing things seems to kind of skip the orgasm, but I'm hoping that it will be worth it in the long run.

I didn't masturbate for many years. Now I'm starting up a bit in order to improve edging and achieve male multiple orgasms and explore and discover. Thanks for the book recommendation @Faith-Manages

Today I edged and did one stroke too much. I ejaculated but ruined it by not touching, and I think this greatly reduces the hangover/refractory period.

I find myself worrying about triggering the refractory period too. I don't know if it's completely skipped over, or simply a smaller dose. Either way, I seem to be able to masturbate again pretty much immediately, so it has to be better than a full on ejaculation. I think it's partly that sometimes you get some small contractions when trying to relax, partly because you may lose hardness right after but I find myself wondering if I went too far on accident each time.

Still, I generally find myself less lethargic and feel arousal a bit more easily. Perhaps baseline arousal is slow to build, while arousal from built up semen is more obvious? Or perhaps I'm triggering little bits of the refractory period but not near as much as before? I could try masturbating more often, or I could try releasing semen less often, or perhaps both together. This is mostly uncharted territory for me still, so I have a lot of stuff to try out.

Ok now I'm feeling fairly sure I'm triggering the refractory period at least somewhat, so I perhaps a hybrid approach is best. I'll try to go at least 3 or 4 days of just standard semen retention, then when I feel the need I'll try to let some semen out with as little impact as possible.

The way things are it is still easier to feel arousal and occasionally p-waves, but I think arousal might progress more if I mitigate the refractory period as best I can.

I feel like arousal died down for a while, but it's coming back somewhat it seems like about 20-30 minutes later... Maybe the refractory period is just much shorter if it does happen? Maybe it's easier for arousal to overpower the refractory period if it's lessened? Do the hormonal effects of the refractory period go away sooner when lessened or does it still linger somewhat for up to 21 days? I have so many ideas and curiosities... but it's easier to be patient when things are more interesting

Again I'm unsure, as my arousal has come back. This is a confusing phenomenon lol.

Found an article that seems to go in depth on this and it seems that even if you have a few minutes of the oversensitivity associated with post-ejaculation, it will be fine after that. Also elaborates, among other things, that the weaker the contractions/shots the better. It also has gif images demonstrating what they're talking about at times.

https://cuckoldmarriage.info/the-ruined-orgasm-2/

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Again I'm unsure, as my arousal has come back. This is a confusing phenomenon lol.

Found an article that seems to go in depth on this and it seems that even if you have a few minutes of the oversensitivity associated with post-ejaculation, it will be fine after that. Also elaborates, among other things, that the weaker the contractions/shots the better. It also has gif images demonstrating what they're talking about at times.

https://cuckoldmarriage.info/the-ruined-orgasm-2/

You have to wait until the next day to tell because it is delayed 12 hours or so I think. 

Bros., 

I have been into mindful, meditative, slow, savoring the feelings, EDGING/SLOW MEDITATIVE MASTURBATION FOR about five years.  I think I was having ruined orgasms before the term became popular.

For me, it all started with keepitupjohnsons book, LOVE SATISFIES.  The theme of that book is to relax deeply and avoid ejaculating, stopping before the PONR and starting again.  Somewhere in that time period, I read Vera and Greg Bodansky's book, INSTANT ORGASM.  Both of these works primed my pump to edge and stroke in a deeply relaxed manner while tweaking my nipples.  It is well established that our nipples are connected directly to our prostates and to our cocks, and especially the glans of our cock, the sulcus, the frenulum, and the coronal ridge.  

Yesterday a fountainhead of pleasure broke in this meditative edging that produced overpowering waves of pleasure emanating from my cock and groin that swept over my entire body with an intensity not experienced before. Truly, it was cock on fire.  

Yes, I had had some great experiences and orgasms in the past, but yesterdays orgasm with some emission of semen was a landmark day in my history.  

Emission of semen is not a big thing in this type of meditative edging.  It does not invoke the refractory period and in my opinion, it is very good for clearing the pipes and keeping the prostate healthy.  For me, the emission of precum comes first and yesterday, my glans was bathed in precum which made the orgasmic delight of the constant and continuous orgasmic feelings in my cock go on and on and on in heavenly pleasure.

I am past seven decades and this stuff is the fountain of youth sexually in cock and orgasmic terminology.

When the orgasmic pleasure got overpowering yesterday, I did emit a good bit of semen which flowed out of my cock like I was a teenager.  Regular masturbation for me at my age is disappointing in the amount of  semen emitted, but meditative edging for me with alternating nipple play allows me to experience orgasmic feelings from the time I grab my cock and tweak my nipple to as long as I want the continuous orgasmic pleasure to go on.  This to me is heavenly stuff, and the emitting of semen in even massive amounts flowing out of my cock is of no consequence.  There is no refractory period.

And, I am able to do it as many times a day as time and privacy permits.  The more I do meditative edging, the hornier I get for another round of dropping my pants and underwear, reaching under my polo and tweaking my nipple and lovingly fondling the sulcus of my cockhead to begin the process.  Heaven ensues from the get go with nipple play, cockhead play, focusing on the pleasure and letting the pleasure build.

The term ruined orgasm is a misnomer. It is an orgasm.  Semen in emitted for me that flows down my cockhead.  But most importantly, the refractory period is not invoked and I am a teenager again defying the seven decades I now find myself to be in.

Still ahead for me is mastering the aneros toys.  I have been on this website for almost 10 years or so and I want to get where you guys are and have my prostate take charge of my body giving me pleasure involuntarily and forcefully.  Having learned these meditative skills, I think I can now master the aneros or should I say, let it master me as I have learned to relax and let the orgasm come to me paying attention to the subtle pleasures my prostate is emitting and concentrating on them and riding them to maximum and blissful orgasmic pleasure in solo play.  Aneros here I come, but probably with more time and privacy in retirement. 

Seems it took closer to half an hour, but I guess it can vary?? In any case, I need to keep in mind sometimes arousal drops off temporarily but will come back, sometimes stronger than before.

@turnrow this is fascinating. Is there a summary of what you do?

@turnrow

Interesting stuff, I wonder why this sort of thing isn't easier to find information on? First I learned of prostate milking, but this emission of semen via "ruined orgasm" is much easier to induce. I've been trying off and on with the Aneros since I was 19 or 20, so 6 or 7 years, but my biggest hurdle has been hardly ever being highly aroused. I find that doing this I can get off without having to trigger the refractory period, whereas before I'd get the strong urge to ejaculate after about 4 days. This seems to be helping me feel a bit more sexual in general, get aroused more easily, and feel sexual in areas that aren't just my genitals. I think this technique will be the catalyst for me actually progressing beyond having p-waves on rare occasion.

Thanks for the book recommendation by Keepitup Johnson. I can't help but think that is a pen name, LOL.

The ideas in it are quite at-home with me. It never occurred to me to do what he is talking about in a way to lead to dry Os. But it does. I had a fantastic dry O today with my wife and it was so pleasurable and went on and on. I have been doing Tantric intercourse for many years, it just never occurred to me to use the same ideas of moving sexual energy into this dry O domain.

Today's dry O was incredible and ongoing, almost too much. 

But what is great is that now I know I can do this anytime. I had the first dry O the other day, and now I know how easy they are to produce. Unfortunately she has a temporary issue with her pussy and intercourse isn't available for a few days but it was magnificent anyway.

But honestly, she can rub my leg, or tickle my testicles and I'm feeling orgasmic waves. I can do it by myself almost without touching or involving my penis. I am finding that my stomach, my nipples for instance are both quite good orgasmic zones.

And yesterday and the day before, on separate occasions, I inserted a toy (the large Peridise one day, Eupho the next) and I am coming to terms with how to be aroused and getting much more pleasure from them. 

I've not been masturbating or using porn for many years and trying to build arousal for the toys is a new challenge, but one I think I am meeting. I'm feeling real pleasure from the toys now, quite nice.

So I'm rewiring on two fronts and it is going VERY well. One front is dry Os with intercourse or my wife edging me, the other is the prostate massager. 

Life is good!

I tried masturbating and letting semen out with the ruined orgasm, and I think that overusing that technique can indeed bring about a refractory period. I tried doing this three times spread out over yesterday, and while I can get aroused easily after the first time and even somewhat after the second, by the end of the third time it's apparent that I'm no longer in the mood. Also my dick was slightly sore the third go around lol.

I'm going to try next using this much more sparingly. I'll try waiting at least 2 days or so, and then try to only go over the edge to let semen out once rather than multiple times. I believe arousal will come back sooner that way and be more consistent in the long run.

If I'm going to be stimulating myself more frequently I think it should probably be done without traditional masturbation, at least until I'm ready to let some semen out. That would probably help with focusing on the whole body instead of just genitals anyway, though there have been plenty of times lately when I could feel arousal in pelvis or spread elsewhere if faintly even after letting out some semen.

It’s better to do this to release some pressure every few days and maybe not more than once. The rest of the time you can edge which is super pleasurable. I’m using the methods in the keepitupjohnson book and highly recommend it. 

I guess I could try edging again... The main reason I stopped doing that was that I'd get the urge to ejaculate somewhat sooner. I'll have to give that a try, edging while letting semen out more conservatively.

Brothers:

What I have come to realize is that this meditative edging is more about edging my prostate to come alive than edging my cock.  For me, I have just as good orgasmic feelings, dry orgasms, etc with a soft or flaccid or semi cock using my prostate edging efforts.  The book, INSTANT ORGASM, by the Bodanskys says this is true. However, we know how we men feel about a hard hard cock. When that happens to me, I am naturally encouraged in my masculinity and prostate edging.

On methods, I start making love to my cock by massaging it lovingly--the shaft, the glans, the foreskin, the shaft down by the pubic bone, and sometimes even my testicles.  The big thing for me is to add nipple play. 

When I tweak my nipple, it sends forth an orgasmic feel from my prostate to any part of my reproductive system.  More times than not that orgasmic feeling is in my cockhead, since I have peeled the foreskin back and have place my thumb behind the coronal ridge on the sulcus area on the top side of my shaft/sulcus area with my index finger resting on my frenulum under my glans.  I pull/stretch my cock forward while touching/massaging/makng love to those areas of my cock WHILE TWEAKING MY RIGHT NIPPLE, which in more erogenous than my left nipple.

When my prostate sends forth any pleasure anywhere in my cock, I focus meditatively on that pleasure and try to ride it, hold on to it, and meditatively encourage that pleasure to build.  THE HEAVENLY RIDE BEGINS and the pleasure does build orgasmically. Mini Os, dry Os, and all kinds of Os happen depending on how relaxed you are, how much you focus on the pleasure, and where you place your mind to O.  Each prostate orgasm experience is somewhat different but very pleasurable depending on the mood of your prostate and what it wants to give you.  Loving and meditative touches to any area of your body can bring on orgasmic experiences in that area.  Today my navel was orgasming from the pleasure in my abdomen and my right chest muscles were orgasming through my nipple just like a throbbing penal orgasm, but more subtle.

Today I realized that the pleasure can be increased in my cock by taking small breaks and massaging my cock lovingly with no nipple play, then returning to the meditative prostate edging resuming nipple play.  The pleasure of that touch/massage makes my cock even more alive with pleasure and the pleasure increases as I meditatively continue to get great orgasmic feelings rising up from my prostate to my cock while tweaking either nipple.

Sometimes the pleasure is in my anus or testicles or breast or abdomen...……...the pleasure is wherever you put your mind to receive pleasure just enjoying the igniting of your prostate which generates this pleasure.  Its all there in the books I have recommended.  

I hope this helps as this type edging is somewhat different from the regular masturbatory edging of my youth. It is more than just cock stroking to the PONR and enjoying a ruined orgasm. The nipples are connected to the prostate and when you get your nipples and prostate involved, pleasure can erupt instantly wherever you put your mind to.  For me, I must admit that I love cockhead/glans pleasure so that's where I generally start and concentrate.

Happy experimenting to all you orgasmic loving men.  (what man doesn't enjoy orgasms?)

Fantastic description and I am very grateful to you for posting. Very helpful. The most helpful post I’ve ever read. 

Those sorts of amazing feelings are what I intend to get to at some point. Right now I can only feel a small hint of that sort of thing, and with higher arousal than I've normally had. I've only had penile orgasms, but I have had p-waves that felt quite erotic before. I'm still trying to find the best method of heightening my own arousal so that I may get to a more magical feeling state. I hope that cultivating arousal with edging will synergize with letting semen out conservatively to preserve as much of that arousal as possible.

Gentlemen:

Arousal is wonderful and having lived seven decades, I admit that arousal for me has faded.  But I think the key is, as Rumel would say, developing the neurological pathways of pleasure by deeply relaxing and enjoying whatever your prostate gives you, and focusing on that pleasure allowing it to build.  In my aging body, I have only at this point to grab my glans and tweak my nipple for those wonderful orgasmic feelings to start.

This morning I had a prostate pulsing  orgasm with a totally flaccid cock about 20 seconds after I grabbed my glans and used my nipple.  I simply felt the orgasmic pleasure as soon as I made contact with my nipple and glans and then I focused and concentrated on the pleasure while relaxing my mind and pelvic floor muscles.  Naturally, I would have preferred to be hard and breathing fire like we men like to do, but the orgasm was wonderful and I realized that orgasmic pleasure tops erections and breathing fire any day in solo play. 

Now with my wife of many years, I do want that erection but as Gnawdol says, with a wife, it all this comes about easier with erotic play. 

Hope this helps you good men.

@turnrow your posts are awesome, please continue. I find it incredibly helpful.

I am in my early 60s and I've wired to non orgasmic intercourse and haven't been masturbating for many years or using any form of porn or fantasy. Now I'm sort of trying to rewire to enjoy dry Os and prostate pleasure. It's all very exciting.

Masturbation hasn't been easy because it doesn't interest me, and I'm using some edging to build new wiring in that direction. 

Anyone have any advice for NOT triggering contractions when flirting with the edge?

It seems no matter how much I try to stay relaxed with an Aneros in, I seem to contact at the last second and trigger an ejaculatory orgasm.  Sometime it's only a few short contractions, sometimes they are stronger and I feel the refractory period kick in, which sucks.

Is it possible that the Aneros is making it more difficult to keep the contractions from starting?

@busdrvr are you masturbating with the Aneros inside?

@busdrvr I think that the more you're aroused, the more you may feel the orgasm and contractions... But I think that even with some weak contractions you still mitigate most of the refractory period. At least that's what it's like in my experience. I get involuntary contractions just masturbating in general, but when I start tipping over the edge I let go and try to focus on relaxing like I'm taking a leak. I also tend to get a few false starts before I actually tip over the edge. Thing is, this seems to stop MOST of the refractory period, if not almost all. I think it's being aroused enough and a small enough of a refractory period that makes me question if there's a refractory period at all sometimes. I'm now trying to go longer periods before letting out some semen.

Also you speak of triggering ejaculation no matter how relaxed, but what I've been doing is tipping over the edge into ejaculation on purpose. The first instinct is to resume stimulation to salvage the orgasm, but I stop stimulation, let go of my dick and relax. I was surprised at how effective this was the first time, and I could even resume masturbating and get back to the edge within moments. Even if you get some weak contractions, the more the semen oozes out rather than shoots the more the refractory period should be mitigated. Also part of arousal has to do with fluid pressure, don't always think that the refractory period has you completely down if you go soft. In this case you can test and see if you can still masturbate to the edge again.