Masturbation without ejaculation

Very interesting.  I've been experimenting somewhat similarly.  Mainly to have more arousal before a session.  Sometimes a session is a dud and I attribute it to just not enough arousal at first. Trying to force it along and trying to build arousal seems counter productive and is then like chasing an orgasm. And I'm for the most part I'm trying to stay away from porn. I think for some people, or me it can desensitize  arousal. Meaning you can get used to it. It's not such a erotic surprise anymore.  Great topic !!!

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I find that after a while I'm much more responsive, not just to touch or thought but especially to porn. I usually didn't let arousal build that much, so I thought porn had desensitized me. Now I think it's mainly to do with building arousal more. I think that porn could possibly be that much more addictive when more sensitive, so once I can get it up easily I'm not going to continue using porn. At least not for long periods of time or while masturbating. Everything in moderation.

Over the last few weeks I have considered not really doing anything.  Meaning,  trying to let arousal build up naturally by itself. Especially with more of my mind.  I'm not sure if this would mess up my rewiring or not.  With P-play stimulation would you end up going backwards?  Someone on this site said the same thing about nipple stimulation. If you don't use it you lose it. I can start a session sometimes with a fair amount of arousal but I notice in the session it can start to wane a bit. Been trying to think of different ways to build on it. I think the most intense arousal I ever felt was when I was a teenager discovering masterbation.  A little while before ejaculation I was really full of incredible erotic feelings I had never experienced before.  I don't think I've been at that level but maybe only a couple times. I'm 53 now. I wonder if it's still possible ? Physically I'm ok but mentally with my mind I think I need some work.  Anyway I'm rambling on. Thx. Aka Spikester.

Edging is something I'd like to improve on.  So thanks for the nudge.

Currently am experimenting with semen retention.  It's been fun to see how my system adapts.  

My last attempt was finalized two days ago Saturday at the ten day mark.  I ended the session with ejaculation, which I normally don't do.  However, it sort of got the best of me.  Luckily it was after I had removed the device & was cleaning up.

Porn use has diminished greatly since taking up the program.  Occasionally I might go looking & am careful to minimize any viewing to less than 30 minutes.  No more excessive use for me.

Nipple play has been fun too.  Am amazed at how they have recently started to have a new role in the dance.

"Penis not" is an ongoing focus.  It's a bit back & forth in the balancing act.  What keeps me going is my quest for aless & sensation amplification.  Sometimes I think I'm still too new for such advanced stuff, butt I have high hopes.

Tomorrow am excited to try the male deer exercise after having shaved my torso the other day.  Am purposely holding off on that to increase desire.  Should be fun to see what happens.

Keep at it my fellow Anerosians.  Good times await.

I'll have to try that male deer exercise sometime. I wonder where the name male deer exercise comes from.

I ejaculated today on day 5. Got one more day in than before at least. Also volume of ejaculate sure seemed like 5 days worth. And the orgasm lasted longer than it typically does, worth the wait 😉 I tried building up to the edge without stimulating the frenulum, because I heard that is wired to ejaculation reflex. I still ejaculated, but the buildup was sort of challenging. Spent a fair bit of time in that pre-ejaculatory state where heartbeat starts to ramp up. Avoiding the frenulum is a good way to stimulate in a different way and back away from the edge, but it's still possible to ejaculate without touching that part of the penis. It's just challenging, making it a good tool for edging.

I think that the refractory period might not be as bad at 5 days as with 1 or 2 days like I'd typically do. A few hours later had no problems enjoying a bit of masturbation before my shower.

I think that should start to change my approach to Aneros sessions though. Instead of starting off with masturbation, I'd like to start focusing again on the harder to find pelvic sensations. I think I'll have a bit easier time since I'm not hammering the refractory period as frequently, and I'm still having fun regularly.

Those Taoists sure do like their animal metaphors like "male deer," heh heh.

A major aspect of Aneros rewiring is shifting from penile centric to prostate centric. Hence the reason I mentioned the balancing act & finding new ways to minimize playing with my shlong so I can let my prostate take the lead.

Good luck to you in the fantasstic journey.

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Yeah, things have been a lot more penile centric for me. Arousal being higher brings a missing ingredient, but I probably need to try and focus more on the prostate. I'm going to try a bit of meditating before sessions now instead of penile stimulation.

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As you learn to totally relax and off penile focus and onto prostate focus, you will experience more twinges and waves of pleasure! A little time in between sessions helped me as well. You will not need to worry about losing anything through not using anything. Age doesn’t matter either as am in mid 70s and sessions keep improving over time! Resist the urge to masturbate and let your prostate guide you on your journey! Nipple play has helped me immensely - I find that my nipple play has created action in my perenium, prostate, and cock head of immense pleasure!

Well had some success last night. If I do get a buzz or notice my prostate and arousal are talking to me I'll usually try and capitalize on it. I limit my aneros sessions to 2 times a week.  However I do do some Aless on the days in between.  After a noticeably stronger and good Aless session I switched over to the traditional masterbation.  It takes me a bit longer now to get there but I don't hurry.  ( I've tried to unlearn that ).But after a few times of getting close and backing off and paying close attention to sensations,  I had a small full body orgasm. And no ejaculation.  Just translucent clear precum. Also noticed I was getting some sensations in my face. Sensitivity and slight tingling. That's a first. Never happened before. But made me happy.  Moving forward a little bit at a time. Cheers !!!

A while ago I decided to try to not ejaculate and see what would happen. The longest I have gone without ejaculating is 3 weeks. It was an experience. By the second week I felt like I was aroused most of the time. It became really distracting at times. 

When I tried using the Aneros in the third week, I noticed problems that I hadn't anticipated. Whenever I would insert the massager, I noticed that my prostate felt very full. It seemed like it made it more difficult to achieve a super O. So maybe abstaining is beneficial up to a certain point. I need to experiment more.

@lance I guess it's best to figure out what frequency of ejaculation is best. Too often and you might get tired and be much less aroused. Too long and you may get to the point where your prostate feels full of junk. Speaking of which, when I was experimenting with trying to hold off ejaculation with a strong kegel I would end up with that feeling of junk in my prostate, so I'd want to ejaculate just to clear the pipes.

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@lance I guess it's best to figure out what frequency of ejaculation is best. Too often and you might get tired and be much less aroused. Too long and you may get to the point where your prostate feels full of junk. Speaking of which, when I was experimenting with trying to hold off ejaculation with a strong kegel I would end up with that feeling of junk in my prostate, so I'd want to ejaculate just to clear the pipes.

 

Yes you're right. It does feel like you're backed up. It's an odd sensation. 

@jspad & @mercury, have you gentlemen considered practicing prostate milking in lieu of masturbating to ejaculation? The advantage of this technique is that it eliminates or at least reduces the loss of arousal the refractory period induces following a traditional ejaculatory orgasm. Many of your fellow members (including myself) employ this practice.

There are numerous threads which discuss this in more detail, here are some of them just to name a few. Prostate Milking, A question about milking, Safety of prostate massagers, Milking the prostate, Prostate Milking during semen retention & Prostate milking and Aneros usage.

Good Vibes to You!

@rumel so you mean not ejaculating at all, but milking the fluid out of the prostate when it gets full from not ejaculating? I'm not even sure I've had it full enough to milk from simply waiting long enough. When masturbating I don't really get to the point where the prostate fills with fluid unless I'm ejaculating. I suspect edging for long enough might cause some seminal fluid in the prostate, but I haven't experimented with longer edging sessions yet. My focus as of late has been maintaining arousal and trying to find those sensations that don't require physical stimulation. Been practicing a bit with KSMO lately, and I think it's been effective in helping to bring back those sensations both in the pelvis and sometimes belly or chest.

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I have found KSMO to be a very useful tool to have multiple orgasms. My first was using a Helix and following the KSMO protocol. KSMO seems to amplify the process for me. I have gotten the point that I can trigger an orgasm anytime, but my best results are early morning.

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@rumel so you mean not ejaculating at all, but milking the fluid out of the prostate when it gets full from not ejaculating?

Yes, but you will need to allow some time for fluid buildup from the time of your last ejaculation. You can try a first milking after about 5 days of abstinence but don't really expect to get much if anything. Just try occasionally every 2-3 days thereafter but don't stress yourself to get any results, it will eventually happen and your arousal level should then stay at a slightly elevated level from your previous 'normal' average level.

My own experience has revealed the conditions need to be 'right' to accomplish a true "milking" using your Aneros and without using your hand to manipulate the massager. Generally, you need to be highly aroused, your prostate needs to be full and engorged due to arousal (an erect penis from edging is helpful but not mandatory). You should be on the high excitement plateau just before reaching the PONR (Point of No Return), then using your sphincter and PC muscles start performing very strong, rhythmic, slow paced contractions with total relaxation between contractions. It is important to maintain your arousal level, through penile stimulation if necessary, but don't take yourself to the point of ejaculatory inevitability (PONR). This may take a long time and be somewhat strenuous but you will eventually get the ejaculatory ducts to open and the drip, drip, drip of prostatic fluid. The process may not yield much fluid nor be intensely pleasurable in relationship to the amount of energy expended, it can be done, but Aneros devices (regardless of model or size) may not be the best tools for this particular activity. The best tool I've found for performing a real self "milking" is the Njoy 'Pure Wand'. While solo use (as shown in this video) can be very pleasurable, I suspect having a professional masseuse do this would be much more pleasant as you could really just relax into the pleasurable release to be had. 

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This may be a no-brainer for some, but when edging it's much easier to avoid ejaculation without porn. Not just because of the excitement porn causes, not even because of distraction (for me at least) but because of habit. I ejaculated three times at the 2nd day mark and used porn each time. Each time it has been a conscious decision on my part, but I think it was because of porn. I'm going to try edging but staying clear of porn, I'd like to see if I can go at least 7 days.

Also I've been finding fuller feelings of arousal and sometimes p-waves lately, and I think it has to do with taking up regular practice of Key Sound protocol. It's a tool I picked up years ago, but never really did a lot with it. I found that while masturbating regularly without ejaculation is good for cultivating arousal, it doesn't exactly always bring about the non-penile sensations. I've been making a decision to focus more on that side of things, which is really what the Aneros sessions are supposed to help figure out I've always thought. There's the feelings from physical stimulation and those from inside that are harder for many to find. I'm doing Aneros sessions now once every 2 days instead of almost every day, and I'm practicing the KSMO stuff both during sessions and in between days. I feel like it's getting me back to consistently getting feelings of arousal in my pelvis as well as occasionally p-waves. I'm hoping that these practices will keep things going long enough to evolve and expand into further pleasures.

• I'm staying away from porn now for the most part.  Porn before a traditional masterbation session ramps me up too fast. I can easy blow past the ponr after viewing porn. But if I start and just edge and concentrate on the feelings, things build up slowly, gradually and in control. This helped me as of lately.  I was able to have a full body dry orgasm finally.  I concentrated on trying to move the energy away from my genital area and to other parts of my body. I was so happy it worked.  Afterwards I felt satisfied & not sleepy and depleted.  

@buick45571gmail-com Wow, that's great! So far the only orgasms I've had are of the genital kind.

I've been edging to porn for over a decade at this point, so I trained my sense of how close I am to ejaculation under those conditions. I typically don't just blow past the point of no return without realizing it, but the temptation to "finish" seems too great when watching porn.

1. @aneros_user88299 It seems for me that not racing to the finish makes the difference. Just taking the time, fully relaxed, and coasting up to the orgasm. They're full body but for now only a couple of seconds.  Hopefully they'll get a little longer. That book " Love Satisfies " has helped. The technique of relaxing in to orgasm before hitting the ponr. Sometimes if I feel I come too close or think I might trigger the ejaculation reflex I'll do a small kegel squeeze to make sure it doesn't happen. Another thing that might have helped with this is having a lot of dry Os with nipple stimulation.  A dry O from penile stimulation feels similar to the ones I get through nipple stimulation.  Although the dry Os through nipple stimulation are a lot more intense and longer in duration.  

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To me the orgasm just seems so linked to the ejaculatory reflex. While edging I get to the point where I could easily trigger the reflex but the overall pleasure and enjoyment kind of falls off a bit as I have to slow down. More sensitivity as I go back closer to the edge I guess, but sometimes it gets to the point where dancing around the edge doesn't seem as fun as it was a few minutes ago.

Maybe I need more practice with trying to relax into orgasm, or maybe I need more arousal? I don't really know, but trying to relax into orgasm hasn't really done it for me. Seems more like relaxing into ejaculation... or delaying the ejaculation a bit. If it's a matter of relaxation, then I'm not exactly getting a whole lot of practice trying to retain semen for a while. On the flip side, if I start trying to practice it a whole lot my energy and arousal will probably drop off from ejaculating too often. Or maybe it will become more possible as I rewire and eventually become capable of orgasms elsewhere in the body?

I've been working on this for over 2 years and think I finally figured it out for my body. I've gone the last week every night without ejaculating. Most of my sessions are about 1 hour long. One thing I'm running into is I never feel satisfied if you will. When I used to ejaculate it was an end, now there is no end, my whole body is tingling in waves as each orgasm starts and falls but never stops. Not unlike having a session with a pleasure tool. When it comes to orgasms I'm extremely greedy and don't want to stop. I wonder if it is a byproduct of never having sex or sexual interaction, or perhaps its just me.

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One thing I'm running into is I never feel satisfied if you will. When I used to ejaculate it was an end, now there is no end, my whole body is tingling in waves as each orgasm starts and falls but never stops. ... I wonder if it is a byproduct of never having sex or sexual interaction, or perhaps its just me.

IMHO, what you are describing is actually relatively common. Once you begin experiencing multiple orgasms without ejaculating you also begin noticing the effects of the hormones oxytocin and prolactin (or the lack thereof actually). Those two hormones are normally released at the time of ejaculation and are primarily responsible for the male refractory period. The refractory period normally signals the end of sexual activity/interest. It is this refractory period which gives you the satiation feeling, oxytocin & prolactin act as endogenous drugs to create this feeling.

Prostate based, non-ejaculatory orgasms often do not trigger a refractory period, hence, oxytocin & prolactin are not significantly released. Thus, your ability to continue experiencing orgasmic pleasures, though you don't get the same feeling of satisfaction/completion as you do with an ejaculatory orgasm. This suspension of a refractory period was aptly described in @Buster 's thread What exactly is a Super-O? as "...circling the drain..."

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I'm learning how to edge a lot more and then hopefully release some semen without a full on ejaculation that leads to negative fallout. It's a fun project. I had my first dry orgasm from edging today, so progress is being made.

I had non ejaculatory (largely) intercourse for many years so I'm wired in that direction anyway. There is great satisfaction in it on its own, which is kind of weird and amazing.

But with deliberate edging there is a whole new level of sexual "pressure". I do really enjoy the state of heightened arousal and sexuality that bathes my entire day and night these days. 

Thanks to simplepenguin, I've found an easier method to do what I've been doing. I was curious about this idea of "ruined orgasm" simplepenguin had mentioned. Instead of dancing around the edge of ejaculation and worrying about going too far, I just go over the edge on purpose. Just as I get over the edge I'll stop stimulation and relax similarly to how I do when I urinate. I was able to do this three times in succession (a minute or less apart from each other) without issue.

First time, no contractions and couple drops of semen.

Second time, two or three weak contractions and a higher amount of semen oozed out.

Third time no contractions and maybe about as much semen as the second time.

This seems much simpler and easier to do/repeat than what I was doing before. The previous method I was successful three days in a row then had two failed attempts. I'm hoping this time around all the difficulty will be taken out of semen retention. 

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Thanks to simplepenguin, I've found an easier method to do what I've been doing. I was curious about this idea of "ruined orgasm" simplepenguin had mentioned. Instead of dancing around the edge of ejaculation and worrying about going too far, I just go over the edge on purpose. Just as I get over the edge I'll stop stimulation and relax similarly to how I do when I urinate. I was able to do this three times in succession (a minute or less apart from each other) without issue.

First time, no contractions and couple drops of semen.

Second time, two or three weak contractions and a higher amount of semen oozed out.

Third time no contractions and maybe about as much semen as the second time.

This seems much simpler and easier to do/repeat than what I was doing before. The previous method I was successful three days in a row then had two failed attempts. I'm hoping this time around all the difficulty will be taken out of semen retention. 

Most importantly how do you feel afterwards? 

Felt good about having figured something out. Had only been a couple days since last ejaculation so nothing major in terms of arousal. I remember having an erection through most the night while sleeping though, and usually that happens more towards when I wake up and is less likely if I'd ejaculated the previous day.

Not wishing to disagree with @rumel, but I suspect Prolactin is the prime factor triggering ejaculation and the subsequent refactory period. Oxytocin (the so-called cuddle hormone) is definitely a factor in the super-O, especially the pleasant feelings which linger afterwards, as it is in the female orgasm.

I may just be nitpicking, but I would suspect that ejaculation is what triggers prolactin, considering prolactin brings a decline in arousal and arousal is at its peak just when you trigger ejaculation. I think it's during ejaculatory orgasm that all the chemicals, including prolactin, start to take effect and bring a sharp decline in arousal.