Manual labour

Tricky question. I started to wonder lately when exactly "session preparation" stops and the actual session starts. So if I absolutely need to watch porn for 30 minutes to get my arousal up, then have a 30 minutes session, that's more like an hour, right ? Anyway in optimal circumstances, I'd say from a dead stop, Aless fully clothed, watching sexy pictures, 15 minutes is enough to get there. I still believe there's something to that 5-10-15 thing I wrote about, we may each have our own arousal cycles but this works for me (arousal doubling roughly every 5 minutes from a baseline).

Under 5 minutes is possible with prep (baseline arousal high enough that doubling once does it)  but then is it really 5 minutes since there's work to do beforehand ? Anyway I find the buildup is uncomfortable at this speed, one of my goal was to go from zero to O instantly but it's not something I really wish to do after experiencing it, the 15 minutes ramp up is fine for now. I don't find the super quick buildup exciting anymore, I guess I need to retain at least some illusion of control and thus is like strapping myself to a rocket and it's more scary than fun.

Tl;dr : 15 minutes is quick enough but under 5 is possible but more of a novelty for me.

@zentai I have a busy life is all,want to be able to ding in and out quick lol

@helghast yeah it's a fun challenge on it's own, and if the goal is spending as much time as possible in a Super-O state, a quicker ramp-up makes a lot of sense. But then the ramp-up is fun too ! Hard to tell if there's a correlation between how fast you get to the super-o and how intense it is... might be one if arousal is high at the beginning but fades with time, then ramping up quick might be necessary to get anywhere in the first place.

@zentai your reply above caught my attention.Whether watching porn or sexy pics,do people usually try to build arousal? That’s not really how it works for me. I usually just decide to have a session and start with zero arousal,as I go through my routine the pleasure builds. When orgasm begins to fade,I usually alter the way I flex to get it to go back up. I can’t really remember ever being aroused before a session,it kinda just comes from the work.

I think it depends. If you check my post history you'll see that I wrote the same thing you just did, that arousal at the beginning is not needed for me and the session is arousing enough on it's own to build a feedback loop. You'll also see that I wrote about  my baseline arousal being low in general. Now that does not mean zero, but I guess there is minimum amount of "spark" needed at the start, and if I don't have at least that, I need to build up to it before beginning, and maybe this only means looking at bikini pictures for 10 minutes, and I won't be ready to burst and praying for release, just need something to start the cycle sometimes. Some people may need a lot, while some are already walking around with enough baseline arousal for whatever reason. Again, just a theory. 

I’m on the quick end of the spectrum. There are many aless techniques and simple caresses that send me into immediate intense orgasm with no prior arousal. Alone With a toy, i also start with no prior arousal (except a warm shower sometimes). Smaller toys take longer for orgasms to start (1-10 minutes). With my progasm, njoy wand or a dildo, orgasms are immediate. A big break through with my njoy wand, which takes a couple minutes to insert, was realizing that I could have orgasms during insertion. With these bigger toys I am usually worn out after 15-30 minutes of pretty much non stop orgasms. 

Sometimes the orgasms get more and more intense until I have a really big one and I can’t be bothered to have any more, and sometimes they are really intense at the beginning and get less intense afterwards.  Like everything here, there are no rules... that is, For me I don’t think it matters if there is a build up or not, it just matters what my body and mind are doing that particular day.

@divine_o that’s what happened on the back end of this one,I couldn’t be bothered anymore lol I don’t think intensity or pleasure had dropped much,I’d just had enough lol

@helghast I started sessions cold for probably 1.5 years and then read something about arousal and decided to try building up arousal beforehand, it made a pretty noticeable difference in my sessions.  I'd read a few erotic stories or listen to an audio, and "listen to the call of my prostate."  I'm getting better at that and can feel it at various times throughout the day if I concentrate.  Whether or not I still need this arousal-building prep work is debatable and it does delay my session...unless I count it as part of my session I suppose. 

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Sometimes the orgasms get more and more intense until I have a really big one and I can’t be bothered to have any more, and sometimes they are really intense at the beginning and get less intense afterwards.  Like everything here, there are no rules... that is, For me I don’t think it matters if there is a build up or not, it just matters what my body and mind are doing that particular day.

This is how similar to it works for me so far.  Just had a session yesterday where all the great sensations (20min of them) were in the first half hour and then the remainder of the session was me struggling to get back to that place, and failing.  Other times it's a slow buildup with many peaks increasing over time, and those are the sessions that I'd categorize as most enjoyable, lasting for 2-3hrs.  If I wanted a quickie I'd use my hand! 

I do wonder if I had had 20min worth of Super-Os if that would be enough and I'd want to get on with my day after that.  I'm not in Super-O territory yet though...

@faith-manages 20 mins may well be enough,it was for me. I have a busy life,i don’t think I could justify 2-3 hrs for a session. Still,each to their own. My pleasure does wane,but I’m learning how to switch it back on,sometimes the penis begins to deflate,but I few well timed contractions re erects me and off I go again,erection definitely seems to correlate to more pleasure. I seem to have a different mindset to this than most,I decided I’d just work at it,and it seems to be working for me. Good luck anyways,I’m sure you’ll get there soon if your manage to keep the faith....faith 😉

@helghast

I understand what you say about erections being correlated to pleasure. For me it is neither negative or positive, it is just qualitatively different to have an erection with a toy in. I’ve had really exciting orgasms completely flaccid as well as rock hard. If I have been having a longer session with plenty of extreme crimson erections, after a while my penis is no longer able to get a erect easily, but this usually has no bearing on pleasure.

There’s just one thing that almost always requires me to have an erection: testicular orgasms, or testicular pleasure in general. When I am flaccid, my testicles bring me no pleasure and stimulation of them can even be uncomfortable. But when I have an erection they become one of the most sensitive parts of my body and are a source of much orgasmic pleasure. 

@divine_o When finding my way,I had orgasms both ways. But i found my penis was swaying,jerking and waving around like a some kind of mad man. It got a little annoying and distracting. However I finally worked out to move the flex point of my pc contractions down a bit,and voila! He’s a little less animated,but the erection does work very well with the A-Less. Now I believe I do enjoy things more erect. It does begin to go down eventually,but it can get back up with the right timing of contractions.