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yes I beleive there are others that use this as well. Seems there should be some past posts on this subject. Have you tried searching the forum? Maybe some others with experience here will chime in.
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Losing your erection is not so uncommon among men who practice Chia's methodology. Keepitupjohnson has written a book, LOVE SATISFIES, which is available at Amazon. He and Chias methodogy are very similar.
Johnson says its all about getting your prostate to dry orgasm. He mentions that losing the erection is no big deal as its all about your prostate instead and that the prostate can orgasm semi erect or even flaccid.
Johnsons description of moving sexual energy around the male body is much akin to what we see here on this forum about mental focusing to move the sexual energy. You can read more about Johnsons prostate dry orgasms in his book and at this link on the net where he posts. He is a very helpful guy and has answered all my emails to him. He is coming out with a new book this year going further into dry prostate orgasms. This is his link: http://www.malemultiple.org/index.php
I've edged while circulating sexual energy by breathing the microcosmic orbit. After a while the sexual energy builds up and I can stay at the PONR for as long as I want by lightly contracting or resting my PC and cremaster muscles. It takes a while of building up arousal before I get to this state. It feels like I'm orgasming before I ejaculate but I don't ejaculate. I got to recognize how these muscles control whether I ejaculate. It was a trial and error process but was worth it. I edge with my finger tips on my frenulum and shaft and silicone lube. It's not like dry prostate orgasms being centered in my penis, it feels different.
@Oneironaut, What are you doing to hold back ejaculation? I don't pinch the base of my penis or perineum. I keep edging unless I'm too close to the PONR. Then I slow down or stop. Had to learn this. The orgasms are multiple and can go on as long as I control my muscles and speed. Muscles increase orgasm and slowing cools me down. Hope this helps.
man I tried the "clench your PC muscle" at the point of no return to orgasm but not ejaculate like a few dozen times and every time I just hold it, and keep stroking my cock, and nothing. That intense holding down the PC muscle contraction couldn't get the orgasm to actually happen. But now that I'm thinking back, after what I know the aneros does to me, I think the PC clamp/flex-and-hold technique would make the prostate have an orgasm and would be like the dry O we get from aneros. I just never had dry Os before when I was doing the MMO techniques and didn't know what they would feel like, how they would happen/start, and what I needed to do next.
@euphemistic I've been where you describe a couple times, it is very fun! Not something I try to do, it just happens and it is blissful 🙂
One can masturbate, past the PNR without ejaculating, repeatedly. It has nothing to do with contracting and/or clamping the PC muscle. All contacting and clamping does is block the flow of energy. Most speak of the subtle feelings of the prostate, yet they do not know the subtleties of the penis. When one knows one's penis, one will be able to stroke past the PNR, sans constriction and ejaculation.
Thanks for the replies everyone.
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To hold back ejaculation I squeeze my PC muscles. Lately I haven't been succeeding but I guess that comes in time through practice. Rereading through Chia's book he mentions that the scrotal tugging and PC squeezes are more "mechanical" and the best way to achieve MMO is through drawing away sexual energy. Do you have to be an advanced meditator in order to succeed? It seems like the "increasing your concentration" exercise" inside of the book suggests that you should be able suspend your thoughts as you count your breath. Suspension of thoughts is a rather advanced meditation technique that takes years of practice. I also have no experience with Chi (or Ki) energy so at the moment I feel stuck.
@Oneironaut, I can't suspend my thoughts yet either but that's the goal of meditation as I understand it. I got my information from different sources including Chia so I may be confusing you. Chia does say to contract your PC muscle to inhibit ejaculation among other mechanical techniques but I find that contracting my PC muscle lightly increases arousal and intensity of the orgasm. Strange. All I can do is tell you what works for me, your results may vary 🙂
Here's my blog about how I do the microcosmic orbit breathing or cool draw as Chia calls it. ( https://community.aneros.com/blogs/euphemisms/breathing-meditation-revised/) It circulates energy and cools you down so you can better control your sexual energy. All I can say is it works for me. Chia describes it in his book. Evrryone has this body energy called chi, prana, ki. You probably have felt it at times but maybe didn't have a name for it. If you catch chuckjo2000 in chat he does exercises to feel, identify and move energy with a group chat. I'm going to go back to Chia's book. Here's@armon-Neat's transcript of Chuck's recent exercises. ( https://community.aneros.com/blogs/when-im-6364/) @Qaws also has an excellent summary of energy techniques. ( https://community.aneros.com/forum/discussion/comment/69299#Comment_69299)
Best wishes on your journey.
@oneironaut, I went back to the practice and lo, it's not the PC I use to increase arousal to the PONR, it's the anal muscles. My only excuse is that I'm so high from orgasmic pleasure that I'm not thinking clearly. For Science! 🙂