Male Liberation

Let's see the scores :

Voyager - 1
imp, polecat & Mr7G - 2
Korkelz - 3
dan - 4
MyTurn - 5
Helixer - 20

Helixer is the winner!
Give him his crown of laurels!
Now, Let's get on with serious prostate play! :rolleyes:

P.S. Now that you're liberated, would you take your own advice and go into the 'Zone' and come back only when you've created a great work of art?

Philosophy is art IMO as well, just like mathematics is, my personal expression is just as artful as my musical or graphical expression, only a different mode of expression.
Anyway, I understand you feel this site should only be used for talking about orgasms and Super O's, surely this site should be about more than just productpromotion besides there's plenty of 'evidence'all ready built up over the years, why only regurgitate?
To me the prostate massage has far more reaching consequences than just multiorgasmic potential.
Most discussed on this site is experiencial, and since the Super O IMO is more akin to a spiritual experience instead of only baser arousal and sexual why limit it just to the base level?

Helixer,

I think your use of Martin Luther King's likeness is in really bad taste given the openly hostile and misogynist tone of this rant. It's totally inappropriate, he would have never bought into any of this hogwash. You should be ashamed of yourself.

MarkM

Anyways, without letting myself get despondent by the hostile response of some ppl to the positive concept of LIBERATION. Let me reiterate:
Critical mass. In phases. First the openminded, intelligent ppl, then perhaps the ppl like dan and Myturn(openminded but scared or timid) and then the critical mass gets reached an then the dumbasses and sheepl jump onboard 😉

Helixer,

Your characterizations of those who have responded to this thread are pretty predictable. And once again, you return to the ad hominem attacks by referring to those who disagree with you as "dumbasses". You can't be reasoned with unless, that is, we agree with you. Your approach in dealing with people is abrasive and antisocial and frankly not befitting this forum. Furthermore, the discussion here is hopelessly off-topic, hopefully it will be closed soon.

I suspect that the truly intelligent folks in this forum are the ones who have decided to bypass this thread altogether (as I will be doing from now on).

MarkM

Í see I could better not have responded at all than rushing my responses.
I'll elaborate my first response.
You wrote:

I think your use of Martin Luther King's likeness is in really bad taste given the openly hostile and misogynist tone of this rant. It's totally inappropriate, he would have never bought into any of this hogwash. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I find it astonishing, all you can distill from the all I've written is mysogynism, if that's all you see , then obviously you're blind to the true message of liberation, blind to the selfempowerment etc. My message is positive, but you only see negative. That's not my fault.
Besides, as is often the case, when one preaches freedom, or any other positive message there are always ppl like yourself that don't want the status quo disturbed. MLK killed, Gandhi killed, Lennon killed, Jesus killed, etc...Thank God we live in the age of the internet.

I see my message hasn't been interpretated right, it couldn't be, my mistake, I rushed it, sorry.....
What you couldn't have known is that I've put this message on the antimisandry site as I thought it was a male liberation site. The Aneros site generally has intelligent members, after all it takes a certain openmindedness to step over the stigmatized anal region and get into prostate massage.
First I was 'charged'with being a 'jerkoff salesman' as I presented myself as Aneros Liberated Male. The majority view on that site was that user equates to salesman. Informing them about the benefits of prostate massage and how it was true male liberation was in their view deserving of a hostile response.
Then when it was clear I wasn't a salesmen they were hostile coz 'real men don't orgasm anally but cum with their dick'.

Call me narrowminded for calling them dumbasses, but ppl ignorant and wanting to stay ignorant I don't have any patience for.
Jesus would say:"Forgive them father for they know what what they do", I say:"Fuck em!, they want to whine about their babies being taken away from them when they knew what they were getting into deserve to be conned, or guys that ARE willing to wait for virtual reality and a female robot to take away the power from the feminists, but aren't willing to try something like the Aneros coz 'men don't do that' are in my honorable opinion DUMBASSES. It's not ad hominem it's backed up with proof.

Oh Hon, you don't understand what I feel at all.
You are so caught up in your battle of the sexes, you are blinded to even wider possibilities.
In the battle of the sexes, I don't care who wins or loses because we hermaphrodites win either way!
And Hon, even monkey's with crayons can be considered 'artful'.

P.S. My, my, Hon, you must be a pretty kinky boy wanting 'dumbasses and sheep' to jump onboard with you, You are openminded! What else is open?

This isn't about a battle of the sexes, it's about male liberation.
I guess some people view nature as perfect, the Christian view, God made us perfect, so God exists. Although I'm not an atheist, I lean more towards the Richard Dawking's view of evolution didn't make things perfect. Perfection is as it were a work in progress.
That's my view, men and women are fundamentally incompatible, let's just accept it. Different evolutionary strategies. Dogs are even better suited to men than men are to women.

.S. My, my, Hon, you must be a pretty kinky boy wanting 'dumbasses and sheep' to jump onboard with you, You are openminded! What else is open?

Ít's sheepl, meaning ppl acting like sheep, the Joe 6pack.
What I meant to say is, change is gradual, even positive change, some ppl are scared or just plain narrowminded. Like with the prostatemassage, some ppl don't do it, 'coz men don't cum that way'. Most ppl here have passed that stage. But what I'm writing goes against everything that we've been brought up to accept(but then so is the Aneros so it's a good match) so even ppl that are openminded enough to accept prostatemassage as something they can have in their ass while f-ing their gf or wife, don't accept the ultimate message, namely that the Aneros is best done on your own. There should be something in the user manual like: "for best results use on your own".
So that's what I mean, change goes in phases and I believe something positive like the Aneros only takes time to reach a broader audience, and exposure

Unfortunately you deleted your message dan, but I'll respond anyway

You say that before puberty you had an interest in girls. Maybe that's the difference, I hated the games girls played, I found them irritating if anything, it was only after puberty set in that I became attracted. But looking at it objectively at their psyche, I still don't like their interests. Research has shown for example that women highly rate going shopping and bingebuying whereas sex doesn't rate very high at all. And it's not coz women are romantic coz men even rated a romantic evening with their significant other much higher than women did.

So I'm just wondering what attracted you to women at a prepubescant age? Did you like knitting? Did you like to play house or play with dolls? what exactly was the attraction.

Maybe that's why your psyche is more compatible with women if you liked girlsgames?
Do you also like shopping and talking about your weight and clothes and stuff now?

Anyway, coming from a minority view then(at least if you're right), before puberty I didn't like girls and I didn't like girlsgames or mannerisms. After puberty I've always compromised, pussified.

It's not so much that the attraction to women is gone, unfortunately that's beyond my control. This is why I can feel a kinship with paedophiles coz there almost in the same boat. Sexuality is beyond my control. Looking at women objectively, other than sex and sexrelated bs there's nothing I like about women. I don't see it as misogynism after all they can't help it like I can't help being sexually attracted to them.

Helixer, I really love listening to viewpoints that differ from my own, and yours is quite radical from ones I've previously seen. I would agree that the Aneros frees me in a certain way - no longer will the female psyche be dominate over me in any way, nor will I experience a weakness in dealing with the opposite sex because of my desire to get some. And it is also true that many females are well aware of the power they hold over males and use it to their advantage. However, my viewpoints aren't quite as cynical as yours. I am of the firm belief that both the males and females have something more to offer each other after they get past that their barriers. The male barrier is of course the lust we feel for females and pursuing them merely for sexual relations. The female barrier is kind of an emotional dependance on the male. We each have our burdens to bear, we each must overcome these to be truly liberated. But if a liberated male and a liberated female, free from their bonds were to join together, wouldn't you say that that would be a healthy relationship in which both parties would benefit from? Love as well is not just a female thing. As a male, it is something I still desire. The ability to partner up, commit to that partner for life, and become one - the truest of union, while accepting their faults and acknowledging yours. To me, that is what it is all about.

I've gotten past that point in my spiritual journey where I no longer feel loneliness even in periods of extended solitude. To me, it signals that I'm healthy, I've mastered myself, and now, if I choose to take a mate, I do so completely free of any sort of biological imperative, but rather an imperative of personal initiative. My priority is to share my journey with another now, because that is what I feel deep in my soul to be right for me. I can see you feel strongly about your path as well. If you wish to experience this separation from women as your life, I certainly won't stop you. Your happiness and spiritual nature is one of your own choosing. I wonder though if this is how you really feel. Be certain you aren't just harboring past resentments before setting on this path, because the path of regret isn't one you want to walk. Try to look at it from all the angles.

The male barrier is of course the lust we feel for females and pursuing them merely for sexual relations. The female barrier is kind of an emotional dependance on the male.

IMO the female barrier is the need to find a male to protect, provide and to make babies, and using the male's strong need for sex(the male's achilles heel) to bind him to her, pussifying him into her realm. Creating the emotional dependancy of the male. Coz after all, this pussifying is an essential ingredient, without it men would just do their deed and walk away to the next woman. The skill of creating an emotional dependancy in the male was an essential part of women's evolutionary strategy.
Sure to a certain extent women are affected as well, but not as is shown in the media or as you claim to be the case, namely to a larger extent than males are, coz think about it, her and her babies survival couldn't permit that she became so emotionally attached to him as he was to her, even willing, in many cases(pussified as he was) to DIE for her!!
Why?
What would happen if the man got killed by a rival or wild animal? Could she be overcome by grief? No, her and her babies survival depended on a male . So obviously women that were emotionally attached wouldn't survive, coz they'd have to be off whoring another man, pussifying him into emotional dependancy.

But if a liberated male and a liberated female, free from their bonds were to join together, wouldn't you say that that would be a healthy relationship in which both parties would benefit from?

As I stated earlier to dan when he was trying to make out that we desire more in women than just sex(and sexrelated issues)

Before puberty set in injecting all kinds of sexhormones into your brain and before you started desiring women sexually, did you love woman or feel you needed to be loved by them for recognition or praise or compagnionship to make your life complete

What I'm trying to say is without the drive for sex men and women would be so far apart from eachother that would be a bit like the prepubescant age.Sure we're brainwashed daily that if you don't have a gf, wife or whatever you're incomplete, pathetic, unhappy and a loser.
MyTurn was making out like I was wanting to poison his mind , but society does that!
Just imagine you're feeling perfectly healthy but in the coming hours people come up to you ask:"Are you feeling allright? You don't look so well, perhaps you should see a doctor" My guess is after 10 of those remarks you'll be feeling sick!!!

It's this negative programming I'm talking about. If you look at it objectively, what that's inherent to the female psyche would you want to spend the rest of your life? Looking back before puberty I NEVER played with girls, they didn't appeal at all, why? coz the sexhormones didn't contaminate my brain yet! Coz see, without these bonds there's nothing really connecting male and female.
But I'm interested in what you have to say about this.

@MyTurn: I had responded to this before, but one wrong move screwed everything up and I lost perhaps the best thing I ever wrote 🙁
So, alas in a different vein:

Most men (not myself so much) have this inbuilt desire and fantasy to please women, especially sexually. They see it as validation of their sexual prowess, virility, and masculinity. They see a woman's pleasure as the most arousing thing ever, even more arousing than their own pleasure. In fact, men get a psychological pleasure from seeing women have a physical pleasure.

We're programmed as males to respond sexually to women and women's signs that the baby making process is having a good chance of succeeding.(her auditory signals). This isn't what this topic is about. It's the issues that go beyond the sexual. That men and women have a lot in common. As I stated I don't believe this

OK, sum up for me, a spiritual, unMATERialistic life. Don't explain what men should not be doing, but what we should be doing. What should a man fill his days with? What lifestyle, activities, goals, destiny, purpose? What should a man struggle through life for if not to provide for their offspring and legacy?

I answered this question already but it dawned on me my answer might not have been satisfactory.
I guess the answer would be what would you do different if you believed you didn't need a female to live a fulfilling life?
If you felt you didn't have to impress females with money or status, how would you live differently.
This message of liberation is just a framework, like the scientific method was a framework, ultimately it's your own discovery

I can recall a memory from elementary school - 4th grade or so. I felt an attraction toward a girl I knew. Not a sexual attraction mind you, but something. I told my best friend at the time that I really liked her, and I felt nervous about talking to her. At the time, I didn't feel any sort of sex hormones coursing through my blood. My like for another human being was genuine. Perhaps I could of liked a guy just as much, but at that point in my life it just felt like this pure kinda feeling, where nothing else obscured it into something it wasn't. It felt like an attraction to someone who could be an important part of my life.

Fast forward to today. That never panned out, she's now married with two kids, except she lives the life I always seemed to crave deep down, a life of love and family. For me, the joys of life do not cease at the sexual, they extend to life itself, to the experience, to the journey. The power of what you are feeling, this super-orgasm, it may feel like what you have sought all your life. It may indeed be the prize at the end of the rope for many men, a taste of a heavenly existence where there are no problems, only pleasure.

But the greatest of treasures and discoveries are worthless without someone to share it with. And not just any someone, someone with whom I can be close with on an intimate level, just for the sake of it. Just because it feels right. Do I need a deeper reason? There is a certain allure to your way of thinking Helixer. I've gone through the journey of self realization and attained my personal liberation. During that journey, I encountered many philosophies, some of which worked for others, and I can see that every persons journey toward that liberation is different. But my core motivation for improving myself to this point has always been women. I don't think there is a straight man alive who hasn't worked to better himself because of a woman's influence, whether that influence was positive or negative.

I'm well aware of cannabis and its potential to give deep insight. It's the very reason people get paranoid - they cannot handle the conflicting thoughts that come from such deep thinking. One thing I noticed is that I can convince myself that pretty much anything is the truth. Every argument seems to have its rationale and allure, and may even seem clear and concise. That is why knowledge is useless. Without several of the women in my life, I would still be asleep in a dream state, a state of mere survival and spiritual lethargy. What about your life? Even if every woman who stepped into your life you deemed as a curse, did they not prompt you to higher levels of thinking, new ways of encouraging growth? Over 1 year ago, I felt like a woman had crushed my soul. Yet I always found a way to thank her for what she did, because she awoke the fire in me to continue walking on my journey toward liberation, until here I stand, free from all power of persuasion.

Ironic that you use Martin Luther King's speech in your post. You see women as many white people once saw black people. You think of them as not human. You allow yourself to treat them with inequality. Fitting isn't it that such an iconic figure you chose to quote would tell you this? Perhaps this is another block in your spiritual journey, one you must get past. But I leave that for you to decide. Women are not my enemy. Women are human. I am human. We are the same. That girl who I thought crushed my soul one year ago? I made it my personal mission to help her realize her liberation to, to whatever end that entails. That is how I express my gratitude.

Think carefully about what you've read here. Are you allowing yourself to be a slave to pride, lust, and envy? Are you truly liberated just because you have discovered this power along the way? Is this the way of your life, to be motivated strictly by personal pleasure? That is the message you are sending out right now. If it be true to yourself, then more power to you. But I sense a lot of turmoil behind your words. Am I wrong?