guys-
i followed a link that mmmniple gave us in the "Toys for Nipple Stimulation?" thread to a yahoo group about nipple orgasm:
http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/nipple_orgasm
it is nice to see other groups out there that are tackling subjects like ours.
anyway, there is a post there about male "breast orgasms."
i tried it and it was really nice. here is what i did:
- (listened to brainsync's ecstasy)
- on back knees up and bent
- gentle light nipple stim to wake em up
- crossed arms and deeply caressed and fondled my "breasts" like i would a woman
very quickly i became very aroused. it felt wonderful. then the feelings became too much, my penis stiffened all out, i moaned and came wonderfully (non-ejaculatory).
the best part was that while i was coming my arms passionately embraced my whole chest while my hands continued to grasp at my breasts, like an intense lover's embrace.
i had beginners luck. i tried for a good hour to have another one but no luck.
it was definitely a very special experience, way deeper than nipple orgasm. part of it was the gender bending part, which was that i was both making love to a woman and feeling it too. based on that., women are definitely lucky to have breasts.
all you guys who are into nipple stim, you really have to try this. i would love to hear reports. (solo, or partnered, hetero or homo.)
darwin
Hi Darwin.
Is there anything that doesn't give you orgasms? I'm constantly in awe of your discovery of new orgasmic techniques. It's great!
I have been trying nipple stimulation over the last month or so, and found it fantastic. It's brought my orgasms to new heights.
A couple weeks ago I tried the Brainsync Ecstasy while stimulating my nipples, not really expecting anything much to happen, but after about 10 minutes it felt like a switch had gone off in my body, or I 'entered' some new part of myself (stupid as it sounds), and I started getting very aroused. Unfortunately my ancient CD player started skipping like mad at that point so my concentration got shot to bits, but it was still really exciting to find out I could generate this arousal.
Then last night I found out I could take myself to the brink of orgasm while masturbating normally, and then climax from nipple stimulation alone!
Will definitely try this 'breast orgasm', and look into this Yahoo! group.
Is there anything that doesn't give you orgasms? I'm constantly in awe of your discovery of new orgasmic techniques. It's great!
Seriously, sheesh 😆
I just hope I can reach that level in a few years.
Going to give the new exercise a try later tonight, sounds like fun.
Is there anything that doesn't give you orgasms? I'm constantly in awe of your discovery of new orgasmic techniques. It's great!
yeah, i know it does seem a bit crazy. i'm an easy lay, aren't i?
i think the thing is that, indeed, once you can do the basic trick of having non-ejaculatory orgasms, particularly w/o the aneros, then you can do it all kinds of ways, and what distinguishes them are not that they can give you orgasms, but, the beauty of the differences between them
darwin
Darwin, who successfully tried my breast orgasm technique and hit the jackpot the first time, told me about this group. I encourage those of you who are interested in experimenting with breast and nipple orgasm to join my group, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nipple_orgasm/ . You will find lots of posts on nipple and breast orgasm there, and we would welcome hearing about your own experiences!
Wuerstchen-
glad to see you over here.
if you feel like it, how about you tell us how you made your discoveries.
[edit: well, i just saw that you did already, before i even sent this post]
darwin
>I think the thing is that, indeed, once you can do the basic trick of having non-ejaculatory orgasms, particularly w/o the aneros, then you can do it all kinds of ways, and what distinguishes them are not that they can give you orgasms, but, the beauty of the differences between them<
I agree entirely with that, Darwin! I’ve been exploring hands-off KSMO multiples (without Aneros) for a couple of years and during that time they have become semi-continuous, more and more mesmerisingly intense, profound and sweet, and easier and quicker to trigger.
Yes, the nipples are pretty good at triggering orgasm, but, like you, I find that when I’m really high there are so many other parts – armpits, thighs, stomach, sides of rib cage…………
But worthy of special mention is the inner surface of my elbow joints. With arms spread out wide, and during the arousal phase just before the orgasm starts, they become hyper-sensitive and cry out to be touched.
For sheer excruciating orgasmic sensation my port one scores slightly over the starboard. Just a light touch sends me stratospheric, and as I prefer to be alone and lie motionless during my sessions I arrange the bed clothing to rest gently on those areas. That serves quite well.
Boy – what would it be like to have it done for me! (No volunteers, thank you)!
Just wanted to say 'Thanks', Darwin, for posting this comment on breast orgasm and the link to my group on nipple/breast orgasm. I am really gratified to have introduced an orgasm virtuoso like you to this extraordinary, transcendent form of erotic pleasure. Thanks to you, my nipple orgasm group ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nipple_orgasm/ ) has added around 50 new members in the last week.
I should mention, for an FYI, that too much nipple stimulation will stimulate prolactin production, causing dopamine to drop and libido to drop. Just a mild caution to not overdo.
I should mention, for an FYI, that too much nipple stimulation will stimulate prolactin production, causing dopamine to drop and libido to drop. Just a mild caution to not overdo.
Really? I haven't heard that. I can't say that's it's something I have noticed, i.e. a drop in my libido. But thanks for the info!
i wonder if that applied more to women than men
darwin
I should mention, for an FYI, that too much nipple stimulation will stimulate prolactin production, causing dopamine to drop and libido to drop. Just a mild caution to not overdo.
Zaneblue is right-on about this, it just recently happened to me.
About four months back (close to the same time that I bought my first Aneros) I got heavy into nipple stimulation. Over the past four months I bet I spent, on average, 2.5-hours per day vacuum pumping and stimulating my nipples. (It felt SO damn good)! Almost immediately after I started on my nipple stim kick the wife and I noticed that I had trouble “getting it up” when we wanted to have sex. So what did I do? More nipple stim! That’s right, more nipple stim. My thinking was that nipple stim always gave me a nice erection, so the path to better erections in bed HAD to be through increased nipple stim. WRONG! The “having trouble getting it up” turned into “not getting it up whatsoever.” 😥 Even tried ED meds, but they were of no help in this particular situation.
What finally did help was a Google search that turned up the fact that nipple stimulation causes the pituitary gland to secrete prolactin, and then a search of the Aneros forum for the word “prolactin” turned up this particular thread with Zaneblue’s warning that prolactin is a libido killer. So I stopped the nipple stim and BINGO, I’m able to “get it up” again.
Zaneblue, you’re a lifesaver! 😀
SWW
Any other people with a similar experience?
I should mention, for an FYI, that too much nipple stimulation will stimulate prolactin production, causing dopamine to drop and libido to drop. Just a mild caution to not overdo.
Whoops, thanks for the heads up. Sounds like 'limp-dick city' in the making.
Hmm, mental note, have the Quadmix formula beefed up a bit. 😎
NuBe09
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About four months back (close to the same time that I bought my first Aneros) I got heavy into nipple stimulation. Over the past four months I bet I spent, on average, 2.5-hours per day vacuum pumping and stimulating my nipples. (It felt SO damn good)! Almost immediately after I started on my nipple stim kick the wife and I noticed that I had trouble “getting it up” when we wanted to have sex. So what did I do? More nipple stim! That’s right, more nipple stim. My thinking was that nipple stim always gave me a nice erection, so the path to better erections in bed HAD to be through increased nipple stim. WRONG! The “having trouble getting it up” turned into “not getting it up whatsoever.” 😥 Even tried ED meds, but they were of no help in this particular situation.
What finally did help was a Google search that turned up the fact that nipple stimulation causes the pituitary gland to secrete prolactin, and then a search of the Aneros forum for the word “prolactin” turned up this particular thread with Zaneblue’s warning that prolactin is a libido killer. So I stopped the nipple stim and BINGO, I’m able to “get it up” again.
SWW
SWW, even I, as the resident nipple guru, have never stimulated my nips 2.5 hours per day. I note that Zaneblue talks about excessive nipple stimulation and 2.5 hours would certainly seem to qualify as 'excessive.' On a good day, if I am relaxed and focused, I can have a nipple orgasm after only 5 minutes of nipple stimulation. And on days when I am in a groove, I probably stimulate my nipples for a maximum of one hour. When I have sex with my wife, she probably works them for no more than a total of twenty minutes, unless I beg her not to stop!
I would hate to see guys scared away from this form of ecstasy out of anxiety over erectile function. And far from reducing my libido, nipple orgasm usually leaves me ready for more nipple orgasms.
Wuerstchen,
Yeah, I seem to have a bad habit of overdoing things…particularly things that feel sooooo good. 😀 Anyway, I’m gonna’ take a nipple stim break for a month or so, and then get back into it on a smaller scale.
SWW
SWW, it would be terrible if you renounced the unique ecstasies of nipple pleasure. Moderation in all things, even nipple pleasure, is the wise course! This can be difficult, since as you have no doubt discovered, the nipples, unlike the penis, remain ever responsive to stimulation, even after nipple orgasm.
When my schedule allows it (I work at home most days) I try to have at least two multiple nipple/breast orgasms every day, but the actual time I spend stimulating my nipples is probably no more than half an hour per day.
Wuerstchen,
The actual time I spent stimulating my nipples with my fingers / thumbs wasn't that much, about the same as what you mention. I'm pretty sure it was the excessive time I spent fooling around with various suction devices that did the deed.
I'm not giving up on the nipple stim...just taking a short break.
SWW
I've had a similar problem from too much nipple stimulation. It just feels so terribly good, I can't keep from stimulating them many times a day for up to a half hour at a time. I have repeated multiple orgasms. I think I'm like the rat with an electrode in the pleasure center of its brain.
I began having difficulty getting and maintaining an erection, and even more interesting, I began loosing sensation on the glans of my penis. Playing with my penis wasn't even pleasurable - it was a big zero! I had a moderate loss of libido, but it may have been from the psychological impact of my broken dick. On the other hand, a few light brushes of my nipples had me in Orgasm City!
I assumed this was probably from excessive prolactin production, so I cold-turkeyed and stopped all nipple stimulation but did regular penile stimulation. It took about ten days for my penis to return to normal sensations and erotic arousal.
I have a theory that this is not from prolactin. Prolactin is responsible for the refractory period and generally exerts an effect for anywhere from less than an hour to rarely longer than a day. I think that what is happening is "rewiring" in the brain - the same as we see with Aneros. Only I think this rewiring links erotic nerves in the nipples to the site in the brain that erotic nerves from the penis usually link to. Evidence for this cross-connection is the phenomenon of breast stimulation being felt in the prostate, penis and anus. There are no nerves which run from the nipples to that area. It is a cross-connection in the brain. I think with prolonged nipple stimulation and less frequent penile stimulation, the nerves from the penis no longer have as many connections as they previously did, and the site of the penis nerves may now be occupied with nipple nerves. The fact that it took ten days to correct this indicates to me that there is new neural linking occuring.
As a further test of my theory, I went back to frequent nipple stimulation - not at all difficult to do, as it is more pleaurable than penile stimulation, but my partner doesn't understand my limp dick. Sure enough, the glans became insensitive, and I couldn't get an erection, even when I was very stimulated. It took about two weeks for this to happen. Another ten days without nipple stimulation but a lot of penile pleasure put everything back to normal again.
Currently I'm stroking the middle path - a tiny but delicious portion of nipple pleasure, but mostly penile favors. After about ten days of this, both systems seem to be working very well.
So, for those of us who are nipple addicts to the degree that it disrupts penile functioning, moderation seems to be the answer.
Marmot
What an interesting post, Marmot! After years of nipple stimulation and nipple orgasm, my penis seems pretty dull. But then again, even at its peak it never felt as good from manual stimulation as my nipples did. Because of vaginal discomfort due to menopause, my wife and I don't have intercourse anymore, so erections are not an issue. But my penis, almost insensate to my own touch, is extremely sensitive to her oral pleasuring of it. She usually works a nipple or two while she does it, but absent that the penis is still super-responsive when she licks or sucks it.
After reading your post I am tempted to perform an experiment similar to your own. I might also add that when I go a week or so without nipple stimulation it takes a while to wake them up.
Hi Marmot110,
Now that you mention it I did notice a slight decrease in pecker sensitivity, but I had no trouble masturbating…. the real problem occurred when the wife and I went to “get it on.” I attribute this to the fact that just prior to our sessions I had used a vacuum device on both nipples…. pulling them out for maximum sensitivity. (It felt pretty darn good dragging my hard nipples across various parts of my wife’s anatomy, but was certainly no fun when my pecker wouldn’t cooperate when the time came). I wonder what the time lag is between nipple stimulation and/or nipple suction and prolactin production. Seconds, minutes, or hours? I know that within 36 hours of quitting nipple stim my pecker’s ability to come to attention with the wife had definitely improved, not 100%, but it had improved nonetheless.
I like you theory about erotic nerve rewiring, when I first noticed something was amiss with wicked Willy the same thought crossed my mind. I know the pleasure I was receiving from nipple stim was much greater (and much more frequent) that what I received from penis stim… guess my nerves were being short-circuited. As you, I’m now devoting more time to my penis and less time to my nipples.
One would think that after 66 years I’d have finally learned about moderation. 🙄
SWW
Hi guys, this thread has turned an interesting corner. Very interesting. I notice you guys haven't mention the Aneros and nipple stim together, what effect do you think the Aneros has on this 'rewiring' of nerves? I mostly stimulate my nipples with the Aneros inserted as this provides the most pleasure.
My penis is extremely sensitive and could stand to lose some of its sensitivity. I wonder if I should play with my nipples a lot more..
I too wonder if the stimulation nipple does not disrupt(perturb) the cablage aneros??
I think Aneros is a third origin of erotic wiring. We all know how it takes awhile for the "rewiring" to happen. I find that if I absent myself from Aneros as well as "Anerosless" activity for a few weeks, it takes a few sessions to get the sensitivity back. The same is true of my nipples. So I guess I should revise my original recommendation and advise that we keep all three areas regularly stimulated.
When all three areas are fully alive, they seem to augment each other. Nipple stimulation enhances both penile as well as Aneros-related (or prostate) erotic pleasure. In fact, nipple stimulation can put me over the top with the Aneros. Aneros enhances penile pleasure (although that is not its function, and many of us do not do the two together). I think penile stimulation overwealms Aneros sensations and dulls them. I'm not sure if Aneros or penile stimulation enhances nipple sensitivity. I'll have to study that. I know that when my penis is highly stimulated my nipples become erect and sensitive.
Anyway, all of this seems to point to a central place in the brain where these erotic connections interact, and how often we use the peripheral peripheral organs influences the strentth of their central stimulation
Marmot
Stimulated by Marmot's longer post yesterday, I reported that my penis had grown dull. The various posts around this topic inspired me to spend some quality time with this shamefully neglected organ, and I was happy to discover that it is not dull at all. Still, after a couple of intensely pleasurable sessions of fondling, but without bringing it to orgasm, I switched to my nipples, and had a nipple orgasm in three or four minutes, followed by four distinct waves of breast orgasm. And 15 minutes later I repeated the process--something that never happens with direct penile stimulation. I think it was above all this capacity for repeated multiple orgasms that converted me to the nipple as my primary source of erotic pleasure.
I it is since I prarique the stimulation of the prostate that it woke my nipple otherwise anything before has my nipple have you an explanation has sela thank you? : ❓
I found the answer to my question about the time lag between nipple stimulation and prolactin production…at least as it applies to nursing women. The book: “Breastfeeding” by Patricia Stuart-Macadam and Katherine A. Dettwyler.
On page 312 is a graph comparing nursing time to prolactin levels. The graph covers an approximately 9-hour time period during which three, approximately 40-minute nursing episodes occurred. Within minutes of the baby “latching on” prolactin levels begin to rise, and keep rising until the baby stops nursing. When the baby stops nursing prolactin levels slowly fall until the next nursing episode begins.
First nursing episode…
Beginning prolactin level: 40 ng/ml (nanogram/milliliter).
Ending prolactin level: 120 ng/ml
Second nursing episode (about 2-hours between episodes)…
Beginning prolactin level: 35 ng/ml
Ending prolactin level: 140 ng/ml
Third nursing episode (about 2-hours between episodes)…
Beginning prolactin level: 40 ng/ml
Ending prolactin level: 190 ng/ml
Now I realize us males doing our nipple stimulation may be different, but I imagine, in general, the above scenario will be followed. Note that the above prolactin data is for one baby, if both nipples were being suckled at the same time prolactin levels would shoot up even further… close to double from what I’ve read.
And now yet another question…. how soon after prolactin levels have returned to normal will the male’s libido return to normal?
Comments (or criticism) anyone?
SWW
Re: Nip stim increases Prolactin
i wonder if that applied more to women than men
darwin
No, male and female pituitaries aren't that much different. The difference is that Women with progesterone and estrogen surplusses lactate. For males, Prolactin is the 'take down' agent that supports refractory. I have no clue if a non-ejaculatory orgasm triggers a prolactin surge (ask me in 2010). :laughing: But when I stick an Aneros in my butt I know that either my nitric oxide output is suppressed or my PDE5 production is sky-high. Something is afoot, pituitary wise. I also know that after an Aneros session my PDE5 level drops, just as though I'd taken an ED med.
We get into this in the ED support groups quite frequently. Experts are the 'hormone guys' in . There are plenty of Prolactin agonists available and some are quite reasonable.
http://pituitary.mgh.harvard.edu/e-s-962.htm
That said, I don't encourage anyone to fight one endocrine agent with another.
hth
NuBe09
Life is short -- eat dessert first!
Guys,
You sure know how to make a guy stop and think. Since I’ve been a member of this Forum, I feel like I’m back in college taking a class in bio-chemistry try to learn the functions of all these compounds, testosterone, progesterone, estrogen, serotonin, dopamine, prolactin, oxytocin and now PDE5. My goodness it is such an extended education I’m getting just being a part of this.
Thanks for all this great info. Keep it coming. I make actually gain an I.Q. point or two.
Male Lactation:
Rather convoluted piece of writing but these are the basics, a bunch of second-hand anecdotes and some 'sea-stories.'
< http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Male%20lactation >
Personally I'm not sweating it. I've found that my own nips (dormant for over seven decades) have erectile tissue that's quite nice and sensitive. They're not exactly virgin territory as a running jersey used to irritate them. However the current D2P ratio looks AOK and in a few sessions, I'll give mama a job that I suspect she understands better than I. (I've never received better than a B- in nipple work!
NuBe09 😮