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Zentai
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Today I'm all about refinement and understanding the mechanisms, but as a beginner these ideas would have made absolutely no sense. There's a real trap in thinking that what works for me today means that what worked earlier was wrong or inefficient. I don't think the methods I use today would have worked for "past me" without all the exploration that led to finding these methods. Does it make sense for a beginner to start with advanced techniques? I don't think it does... Libido and novelty back then made up for *lots* of technical details I did not even know existed... 

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Can you ever be "done" with S-Os? It feels very weird to say that at some point you'll get your fill and then want to move on to something else. Honestly, if I was 100% sure I could get one very good session a month, then I would only have that session and that would be fine. All the other session would just be chasing it. If I knew with certainty that I would be unable to reach any S-O for the whole of 2023, it would make things so simple! I would just do something else until 2024. It's the uncertainty that brings frustration, yet certainty of outcome kills anticipation and interest. 

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I can't believe I still don't get that there is no separation between "me" and "my body". How can I believe that *I* am not responsible for the "involuntaries" and the Os, or for the lack of them? Otherwise, where are they coming from? Outer space? Herbert was right, it is by will alone that we set these things in motion, but if we are willing/forcing anything, then we are forcing ourselves to be patient, to hold realistic expectations, to accept what comes and what does not. There is effort involved, but it's not in the contractions...

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The Super-O gives perspective. At the highest levels, pleasure you could only barely imagine, strange mechanisms being triggered seemingly outside of yourself, layers of control slipping away, maybe a return to the more primal, uncivilized *you*.  Yet you come back, and you first idea is to do it again. Super-Os can show you you will never "get there", this is not a place where you can stay. Even Nirvana is dukkha. They surely do not tell you this in the little Aneros mode d'emploi. This is a lesson in contentment, yet I cannot bring this back with me outside of sessions, and I'm forever chasing.  

 


   
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Posted by: @zentai

There's a real trap in thinking that what works for me today means that what worked earlier was wrong or inefficient. I don't think the methods I use today would have worked for "past me" without all the exploration that led to finding these methods. Does it make sense for a beginner to start with advanced techniques? I don't think it does... Libido and novelty back then made up for *lots* of technical details I did not even know existed... 

The journey is laden with booby traps. There is also a flip side where ppl get trapped trying to use methods that worked one other night that don’t work anymore as the journey has moved to another stage which has different requirements. I myself look back and think why I couldn’t get it at the start.I mean,a few flex here and there and some arousal -= orgasm,it’s really that easy right? 😉

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I can't believe I still don't get that there is no separation between "me" and "my body". How can I believe that *I* am not responsible for the "involuntaries" and the Os, or for the lack of them? Otherwise, where are they coming from? Outer space? Herbert was right, it is by will alone that we set these things in motion, but if we are willing/forcing anything, then we are forcing ours

Of course you’re responsible,it’s simple a conscious choice to pursue the pleasure that we know we can build with the tools already possessed by our bodies.

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The Super-O gives perspective. At the highest levels, pleasure you could only barely imagine, strange mechanisms being triggered seemingly outside of yourself, layers of control slipping away, maybe a return to the more primal, uncivilized *you*.  Yet you come back, and you first id

Triggered inside my friend,as a way to open a door ‘outside the normal self’. That’s the trick to next place or nirvana. We are merely visitors,allowed a short stay and then turned around to make way for the next. It’s surely for our own good as our minds could survive and thrive there,but our bodies on the outside would die off. Our bodies tethering us to the physical world,for now.


   
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That’s the trick to next place or nirvana. We are merely visitors,allowed a short stay and then turned around to make way for the next. It’s surely for our own good as our minds could survive and thrive there,but our bodies on the outside would die off. Our bodies tethering us to the physical world,for now.

Another entry, similar to the other : 

"... I did this with Super-Os, and they did not bring lasting happiness. This should have been expected, but I thought that being this unique kind of experience, maybe things would be different? Maybe they do bring happiness, but it's fleeting.  What they absolutely give you is perspective. Pleasure is impermanent. At some point you need to go back to reality, do your laundry, go to work, watch yourself getting older, all that stuff. Even ultimate pleasure fades quickly as your body readjust expectations and pleasure receptors. It's as if your whole biology is fighting the Super-O in a way, telling you there is no way you can just stay there. You can trick your way to more of it, but soon, you'll catch up. Frankly, do you think you can hide anything from yourself, or that you know better than... you ? In truth, you don't know anything. "

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Combined with this one : 

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"I feel Super-Os at a high level are a proxy to being rich, successful or powerful. It shows you : "Here is how you would feel if you had everything you wanted." That's cool. Then there is something else you find you could want, and you think that the next session, or next O, will be *it*. Maybe you say, Super-Os are what I want! Then that's one way you can maybe just stop there and not go further? That's your destination and you go there when you can. Makes sense. That would be S-O satisfaction or contentment. But jumping off the hedonistic treadmill, you find there is not much else going on without the pressure of chasing *the thing*. Contentment might be a form of death, like ego death. Then even not wanting anything cannot work long term. What if I'm perfectly alright right now and don't need to do anything beyond my basic survival? That's a scary question/answer."

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This makes me wonder how well the mind would actually thrive in such a long-term setting. 


   
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This makes me wonder how well the mind would actually thrive in such a long-term setting. 

I'll bet you never thought that indulging in this pursuit of pleasure would lead you into philosophical thoughts about your very existence as a sentient being in a physical reality. The Aneros Journey can be (has been for me anyway) a life altering experience.

Good Vibes to You!


   
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I'll bet you never thought that indulging in this pursuit of pleasure would lead you into philosophical thoughts about your very existence as a sentient being in a physical reality. 

Ah, of course not. At the very beginning, there is absolutely no way I could have looked at a small piece of plastic, thinking it was some key to inner knowledge or altered states of consciousness. It was just a strange little butt plug, and not much else.  But it did turn into a perception altering tool further down the line. Super-Os can send you very deep down the rabbit hole, and for me, using an Aneros is the easiest way to get there. It's truly life changing in more ways than I can describe. 


   
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