I want sessions (orgasms) like this

I'd compare it to finding a light-switch in a completely dark room. People can tell you based on their experiences to take two paces forward, one pace to the left, and the switch will be at shoulder height. But if you're in a room where this isn't the case, or even the same room but you're in a different location, then replaying other people's physical steps aren't going to help. Maybe in your room the light-switch is on the floor behind you. So it's not about the steps, it's about feeling around for that lump that feels like a light-switch... which is a fundamentally different way of thinking about the question. Maybe the light-switch can only be switched by your feet... it could be something that crazy and completely outside of what you'd reasonably expect.

I think the only trail of breadcrumbs we can rely on is pleasure. Rather than expecting it to arrive all at once, we can follow its scent. See where the small amounts of pleasure lead, and follow it... maybe it leads through a tiny Tom & Jerry style mouse hole in the wall, and you have to make yourself small enough to fit through it. And maybe that's too terrifying in the moment, and what you really need is to trust the experience and get out of your own way.

I know this sounds really abstract and not anything you can directly use, but there are barriers involved in this... and a huge number of these barriers are completely invisible until you're already passed them. I think what's more valuable than experimenting with different techniques, is approaching your sessions with different mindsets. Doing that might unlock some unexpected barriers. For example I've approached sessions with the thought that I'm going to be a powerless submissive who's completely unable to influence what I feel, and that if I'm "good" and don't struggle for more when I feel pleasure, then I'll be rewarded with more pleasure. I'm not at all into BDSM or being in that kind of situation in real life, but I can borrow that mindset for my aneros sessions, and have found it useful.

I think one of my biggest barriers is that I have a "no-no" area, where if the aneros ventures too deep towards the prostate, I recoil from it and try to mentally shut it down. It feels foreign and unwelcome, like a stranger coming up to me and putting his finger up my nose. It took a ridiculous amount of time to identify when that was happening, and how I was reacting to it, because it's not on the list of things I was paying attention to, or expecting. Imagine how you might reassure yourself that a stranger fingering your nostril is somehow ok, and that nothing bad is happening right now. That's the kind of thing I have to work through. Again this is all crazy abstraction, but I think it helps to widen the scope of your search beyond what various muscles are doing. You might be already convinced that it's all just a series of muscle actions, but having had almost unbearably strong orgasms, I'm convinced that it's not. The muscles and contractions will kick in when the time is right, and they'll kick in as a response to the pleasure.

I think your mind needs to go places, into that foggy wordless nebula of pleasure, and by being too fixated on physical movement you keep it tethered, held back and distracted by what you assume is the problem. I think one of the unspoken falsehoods is that in order to get the pleasure, you have to first pay up-front with movement... something from the penis-centered view of things. But I find the pleasure is often more within reach than you think, and the physical requirement to unlock it is just an invention of your own mind... like you're assuming the contract you have with your penis applies in the jurisdiction of your prostate, but it doesn't necessarily at all.

Thank you for that wonderful insight @Clenchy

Out of curiosty, are your sessions comparable in any way to videos? (its just a visual example to illustrate my question) if not in the visual floundering at least in the apparrant intensity? Could you describe your own physical feelings during a session?

@Clenchy, Your post was an outstanding explanation of the importance of the mental aspect of this Aneros journey. I sincerely wish more newbies could grasp this concept.
Good Vibes to You !

@Clenchy, Your post was an outstanding explanation of the importance of the mental aspect of this Aneros journey. I sincerely wish more newbies could grasp this concept.

Great and i agree though im not a newbie, im now in my 11th year of sessions.

I have:

- An awakened prostate
- Muscle contractions & involuntaries
- Feeling 'something', usually lovely sensations in every session

I also usualy have the mental focus, less 'searching' more 'being in the moment'

The issue lies eleswhere and in some undiscovered method, perhaps. Like some have said "there are many paths to the super-o"

Its a nice post @Clenchy but i dont know what else mentally i am missing, i have tried everything that is talked about here. Also your post sort of goes against things like the 'Tug O War method' completely which relies on muscles totally, im not saying this will work for everyone but it certaintly seems to work for a great many. For myself however any kind of contractions kills a session dead.

My issue is not with muscle contractions in the sense of controlling when and where but why my mind derives little to zero pleasure when they occur. The fluttering/spasms seem to be TOO fast, and this has been happening for nearly a decade, and havent ever subsided or reduced in their rapid speed.

Just for clarification I do have orgasms in sessions and they are nice, but I know there is more....

i find it odd i can have so much success in one area, mind blowing-life altering changes and yet the basics somehow arnt in place at all.

@The_Fury, I am aware of your many years of experience (2 years more than myself) and my comment was not really directed at you but rather to the many new users reading these threads. I certainly meant no disrespect to you. I am aware your original post to this forum was in 2005 and then there was an 11 year hiatus until 2016 for your next post. It is apparent you have struggled with overcoming any number of issues to reach your current level of success and for that I applaud you. Many other men would have long ago given up on their quest to expand their orgasmic capabilities whereas you have diligently persisted, a very laudable endeavor.

Alas, I am saddened you seem to be still burdened by the attitude you expressed in this post from last year.

The issue lies eleswhere and in some undiscovered method, perhaps...
My issue is not with muscle contractions in the sense of controlling when and where but why my mind derives little to zero pleasure when they occur...
Just for clarification I do have orgasms in sessions and they are nice, but I know there is more....
i find it odd i can have so much success in one area, mind blowing-life altering changes and yet the basics somehow arnt in place at all.

It seems to me there is more subconscious turmoil to be resolved yet, accepting the path your body naturally wants to take instead of your ego trying to control the direction may be a more rewarding attitude. I wish you the best on your continuing journey.
Good Vibes to You !

Out of curiosty, are your sessions comparable in any way to videos? (its just a visual example to illustrate my question) if not in the visual floundering at least in the apparrant intensity? Could you describe your own physical feelings during a session?

Apparent intensity - yep. I've never been into the moaning thing, because I'd be too self-conscious of the neighbors hearing it. But I can recognize the hip-thrusts and what that must be feeling like. (it's like there's an itch on your prostate, and every hip thrust is scratching just the right spot in the most perfect way)

The physical feelings in terms of muscles are probably way less than you'd think, mostly what ramps up is what's on the receiving end. Like if you were to tap with a finger on the back of your hand right now, it'd be one level of sensation, but if you were to burn that part of your hand on the stove, then tap on it with your finger the same amount, there's a different level of sensitivity there. It's not because your finger is tapping faster or harder, it's the receiving end that has changed sensitivity.
Nerves start to come alive and radiate pleasure. I don't even care what movements the aneros is doing (except when it nuzzles right in against this one deep spot), but at this point the movement isn't distinct and separate, my prostate and anal muscles themselves are creating pleasure and movement... there isn't as much of a line between the two. Which is another place where that penis/movement contract breaks down. (eg. movement goes in, pleasure comes out). The most surprising thing for me is penis sensitivity, once the session has been going for a while, it just appears out of nowhere, my whole shaft turns into one of those plasma-balls where you touch it and tendrils of electricity follow your fingers.

The pleasure is familiar though. It's flowing differently, but it's unmistakably that same good feeling. It's made of the same stuff. The light rain shower might turn into a heavy downpour, but you still recognize it as water. And that was another point of confusion for me, I expected the good feeling I had in my muscles to ramp up to an orgasm, but there's a different stream of pleasure happening in parallel to that... one that doesn't live in the muscles, but lives in the nerves themselves. Reaching out to that stream of pleasure is weird, it's right there within reach, it almost feels like cheating because you can reach out and touch it directly without putting in the muscle effort. In my head, the unspoken rule was that I'd have to ramp up the tension, screw up my face and brace myself for a big feeling... to do anything else would feel as wrong as picking up something in a store and just walking out the door with it.

Also your post sort of goes against things like the 'Tug O War method' completely which relies on muscles totally

I think it all depends on where the blockages are. For some people, maybe all they need is the tug'o'war to get things started, and the rest can unfold naturally for them. I know in my case though, I have real problems with opening up to these feelings. It's like some part of me is frigid, and recoils from the touch. I'm too tense and nervous both mentally and physically.

My issue is not with muscle contractions in the sense of controlling when and where but why my mind derives little to zero pleasure when they occur. The fluttering/spasms seem to be TOO fast, and this has been happening for nearly a decade, and havent ever subsided or reduced in their rapid speed.

Yeah there can be contractions that don't bring pleasure. But remember the tapping on the back of your hand thing that I wrote in the previous post... it's not about the tapping, but how sensitive the thing you're tapping on is. Forget about the fluttering and the whole cause-and-effect of physical movement creating pleasure. Just entertain for a few sessions, the idea that the relationship you think is there really isn't. All there needs to be is the sensation of something resting against your prostate, that's the only physical thing required. It doesn't have to move, it can just be there touching your prostate, and if things start to feel good, maybe your prostate will want to reach out and touch it back.
You seem a bit wrapped up in the idea that a certain sequence of contractions will unlock something, that your prostate is a passive thing to be prodded into action. But the prostate isn't like the head of your penis, it can take an active role. Like half the time I don't even feel like the aneros is massaging my prostate, so much as my prostate is massaging itself against the aneros, like a cat rubbing up against someone's leg. It can contract from the inside, stimulating itself, rather than waiting for the aneros to press on it. So maybe try imagining the relationship a different way.

@Clenchy well written posts; should help a lot of newbies and struggling veterans. This forum provides a lot of valuable information based on individual experiences but it is important to remember that Aneros did not invent a 'Clapper' to turn on the switch your refered to in your first post. The switch is in different locations for each members and finding it is part of the journey. Once there, you get the reward and the reward is forever!

@The_Fury i would venture a guess that the floundering is more a side effect of the guys way of handling pleasure rather than anything you should expect to happen to you. i personally think this guy is just putting on a bit of a show for the camera, but that shouldnt lead you to believe that the aneros ant make you cum as hard as this looks. the sensations can be very overwhelming and youll likely cringe and squirm and let out noises of all kinds, but i dont think its normal to convulse as this man is doing. also flexing like he does puts pressure on the prostate, but is also a good way to halt progress. you shouldnt have to do much of anything to the aneros yourself other than put it in your butt. this guy, i feel ,needs to correct the behavior in this video before he can really get full use out of the device.