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A 2 hours long session last night, a mix of aless and Eupho, netted me 3 Super-Os, for a grand total of around 60 seconds in duration. Then I ended things with a great Super-T that was easily on par with a Super-O pleasure-wise, so I'll go ahead and call it a fourth one. I did a bit of journaling this morning, and I'll try to share some choice bits with you guys. 

This was a pretty long slump, but it gave me some time to work on alternate paths, and as always, there were some psychological elements to take care of, so I hope some people here will recognize similar obstacles and will be able to apply the same principles successfully. Stay tuned ! 


   
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Something must of been in the air last night.  I have a nice relaxing 2 hours session but no super o.  Just felt good to have the vice 2 in on low vibes I was walk around in the house with it in and relaxing my pelvic floor muscles. Had a couple time that it felt like I was going to have one,  but practice I guess .  It will happen.  


   
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High fives all around the room, y'all:-)

Last night was night two off fasting for several weeks. Peridise first night, antique modified helix last night--bingo! New progasm tonight? Sounds alright, don't have time though!


   
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When I read the title I was really hoping you made the post. Glad it was true. Very happy for you mate. Keep it up and don't fallback on old habbits 🙂


   
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but practice I guess .  It will happen.  

Sure it will ! Don't give up, it's worth it ! 

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High fives all around the room, y'all:-)

High-fives to you, too !  

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When I read the title I was really hoping you made the post. Glad it was true. Very happy for you mate. Keep it up and don't fallback on old habbits 

Thanks man ! Doing it "the normal way" feels so much harder, but it's just a calibration thing. It's not that hard, but I don't think I can go back to big daily sessions right away, I need to build back on this. I'm not afraid of hard work once I know what needs to be done, it's just a different approach than with THC, maybe I had forgotten some things ? 


   
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My man! Welcome to the land of the pure hahahaha. Told you you’d make it back. The body fixes what we destroy,it’s clever like that.

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Thanks man ! Doing it "the normal way" feels so much harder, but it's just a calibration thing. It's not that hard,

Look at that,bullshit and truth all in the one sentence!

Really proud of you man. Be proud of the achievement of rebuilding your decimated journey. Hope you feel great about now knowing you can do it with out the seductive thc. 

 

 


   
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Thanks ! Believe me, there's no bullshit here. It's like saying that walking 1 kilometer is not hard, which is true, but you can't say using a car is not even easier. 

I'm pretty happy with what I've done. Like I shared with a friend earlier, "Man, those were so short *weeping emoji*" 

I'm sure some guys would wonder if these were Super-Os, and maybe call them dry-Os, or mini-Os. That would be a mistake, they were just long enough for me to think "At last, it's about time !" and then I let them slip. But they were Super-Os. It took almost an hour for the first two, then another 30 minutes for the third one, and yesterday morning I felt like I had done hard manual labor, but hey, whatever gets you there.  


   
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Posted by: @zentai

Posted by: @zentai

I'm pretty happy with what I've done. Like I shared with a friend earlier, "Man, those were so short *weeping emoji

They’ll get better. You knew the way already,it’ll build up quick,experience will see to that.

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I'm sure some guys would wonder if these were Super-Os, and maybe call them dry-Os, or mini-Os. That would be a mistake, they were just long enough for me to think "At last, it's about time !" and then I let them slip. But they were Super-Os. It took almost an hour for the first two, then another 30 minutes for the third one, and yesterday morning I felt like I had done hard manual labor, but hey, whatever gets you there

I don’t wonder,I know they were. They’re all super o,only limited by our experience and mindset. You’ll soon have em hitting in 5 mins 🙂

 

 

 


   
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You're right, I know what I need to do, part of my problem was some kind of THC induced S-O-seeking laziness and impatience...

Here are some takeaways, and I know that if I go back in time I will find I already wrote most of this, but I guess sometimes we lose perspective. 

First thing is that you need to believe in your own ability to find your path to the Super-O. After some time, you have to accept that you are probably doing things well enough, and stop second guessing everything. Like I know that for me porn does not do it anymore, so any time spent on this at the start of a session is just lost energy or momentum. It's not going to just start working for no reason... On the other hand, when something works, keep doing it even if it does not make any logical sense. 

Also, it's worthwhile for me to switch between positions pretty often, even if there are not positions where I will necessarily experience a Super-O. It keeps the blood flowing, probably helps with stretching and relaxing muscles, and it's part of the buildup process and getting all systems ready.

Another thing is that while I would prefer to do everything "freestyle" and Aless, right now I still need my Aneros devices, and I find that using the Satysfier on my nipples does a good job, even if depending on it feels a bit like admitting I'm not as good as I once was.  It does not send me over the edge, but it supports the build-up process quite well. 

Yet another element is that I need to get pretty active with the flexes, again, I would prefer a less-is-more approach, but the way things are, I need some hard flexes from time to time, as my invols often come when I'm pretty much already at the S-O itself, so I can't really depend on them to carry the session. Pushing at the sphincter while locking the device in by using the PC muscles is an important "tool" in that particular arse-nal. 

There's a lot of things I've been working on in the last months, all I can say is that keeping it fun is vital, otherwise it's easy to just get discouraged. I like to think I'm this  smooth operator who's super cool no matter what, that even if a S-O slips away, it's no big deal, that this is part of the game. I also worked a lot on glans play, to the point where penile orgasm is very close to Super-O level, so I can always get a *win* each session, even if the refractory period robs me of my prize pretty quickly.  


   
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My magic comes from adding Binaural Beats, better yet Binaural Beats with Moaning, and doing 3 sets of Wim Hof breathing as a warm-up. Next level Super-Os.


   
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@zentai CONGRATS!  Glad to hear you have turned things around!! You have reminded me to never give up!


   
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Thanks ! 

Of course, don't give up, and remember to work both hard AND smart. You're trying different things, and that's good, once you find something that works, then stick to it and see how far you can get. 


   
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I want to add my congratulations - I truly am happy for you. I always got just a little bit sad when I read  your posts detailing your frustrations. I would be bereft if I lost my pleasure, not sure I would have had the grace you displayed on this forum. Be proud - you more than earned it.


   
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Posted by: @zentai

A 2 hours long session last night, a mix of aless and Eupho, netted me 3 Super-Os, for a grand total of around 60 seconds in duration. Then I ended things with a great Super-T that was easily on par with a Super-O pleasure-wise, so I'll go ahead and call it a fourth one. I did a bit of journaling this morning, and I'll try to share some choice bits with you guys. 

This was a pretty long slump, but it gave me some time to work on alternate paths, and as always, there were some psychological elements to take care of, so I hope some people here will recognize similar obstacles and will be able to apply the same principles successfully. Stay tuned ! 

 Way to go @zentai!  I'm happy to hear that you're back in the saddle.

 

To me, the best part of this story is that you, (considered as an expert in the prostate play arena) had the guts to admit that you lost your way and were struggling to regain control.  Lesser men probably would've just kept quiet.  It shows character.

 

Good vibes to you!

 


   
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@zentai 

Agree with all. You’re just getting confidence back. If you still need a toy,you still need a toy. Anything that works is the place to be. Hopefully you’ll be able to streamline them down from an hour.


   
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Posted by: @zentai

A 2 hours long session last night, a mix of aless and Eupho, netted me 3 Super-Os, for a grand total of around 60 seconds in duration.

@zentai Great news and congrats. I know you’ve been trying a long to get back. Well done!


   
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Proud of you man, you resisted the temptation to fall back on thc. And now its paying off. it will interesting to see how long it takes you to get back to pre thc levels. Congrats


   
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Thanks, I got a bit philosophical about it and at one point, figured out that I already had experienced several lifetimes worth of orgasms, so even if it was going to take some time to get back to it, it was not all bad. 

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Lesser men probably would've just kept quiet.  It shows character.

Thanks, I appreciate it. I think it's important to be as honest as I can, so others can learn from this. That's more important than protecting my ego. 

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I know you’ve been trying a long to get back. Well done!

Thanks man, you know your support was super important and helped me a whole lot. 


   
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Congrats Zentai. I'd be interested to hear more about that journey.


   
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I agree, it will be interesting to see how things progress from now on, I wonder if there's a way to streamline the process like Helghast suggested, it's likely more time is needed, but at least now I know what I need to work on. There's some stuff I'll need to double-check, but I feel that just upping protein intake had some benefits, so it might be up to small details... Thank you !  


   
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@zentai 

Of course there is!!! Just take the your time! You’ll find your way back to the heights faster and faster. Back when I trained a-less,I wrote that I was training to be in and out in no longer than 30 mins. It’s perfectly doable. 


   
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@helghast 

Of course it's doable. I just put myself in the worst place to be as a beginner :  I'm a know-it-all.

I know how it's supposed to go, how it's supposed to feel, how long it's supposed to take, what I should be doing... And I'm impatient. 

But almost all Os during 2020-2021-2022 were with THC. So I'm looking at *altered* altered states instead of *normal* altered-states and the rules are a bit different. Plus I'm not the exact same guy I was back then. Maybe you'll say it's pop-psychology mumbo-jumbo, but mostly I forgot how to really work at it. So I'm impatient AND lazy. Of course I absolutely don't want to say that guys who are struggling share these traits, I'm just explaining what I see in myself right now. 

The last time I got pretty close, if you remember, I had some little success, I decided this was enough to prove all systems were still firing right, then I went back to "experimenting" with THC again. I nursed 5 small, weak joints for a bit more than 2 weeks, but it was enough to set things back again. So the main thing right now is just keeping clear from the stuff.     


   
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@zentai 

Time to build what you know on top of what you think you know. 😉 I might have to write you a A-Less tutorial hahahaha. Zentai is BACK! 🙂

 


   
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@zentai 

 I might have to write you a A-Less tutorial hahahaha. 

Hehe, I think I can manage that part ! 


   
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Congrats Zentai. I'd be interested to hear more about that journey.

Thanks ! Don't worry, you will hear more. I'm still trying to collect my thoughts about the whole thing, plus I need to see if anything in particular made things click, or if it was simply waiting for things to get back to some baseline level. 


   
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Great news fella.  Congrats.

CFO's are the new HFO's, heh heh.

^ Chemical Free Orgasms.

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I *almost* made it again, but I was interrupted and I had to wrap it up quickly with a Super-T. I got good, steady invol pulses, elevated heart-rate, precum dripping, so everything was in place, I just needed more time. This was done under 30 minutes, without starting with much arousal, so I think I'm getting back to it pretty nicely. It's crazy how straightforward it was, without audios, porn, chemicals or any vibrating or sucking widget. This felt very freeing.  

I'm working on integrating some new techniques, as soon as I can confirm they are repeatable, I'll write them down for you guys. I hope they will be useful and work for others.    


   
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@zentai tut tut! What’s more important than the super o 🙂

See? 30 mins no sweat 🙂

I don’t the old post I saw that you need at least 45 mins to create a super o. You need 5 hahaha.


   
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Sure, when you have everything figured out, it hardly takes any time. I said under 30, I had a good build-up going after around 10 minutes, but it took another 10 to get the invols to really be self-sustaining, and even then I was not sure things would pan out.

I think 45 to 60 minutes is OK for people just starting out, there's always a risk of stopping the session too soon, when things were just waiting to happen in a few more minutes, which you'll never know unless you push a bit for more time once in a while. Once you get some good results, then you can streamline things if you want. But I'd be ok with needing two hours for a dependable 25% chance at a S-O, if you see what I mean. Just a question of perspective. 


   
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Posted by: @zentai

and even then I was not sure things would pan out.

Do you think alot during a session? 


   
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