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03/17/2019 2:53 pm
@med-sir, thanks for your openness to share your envisions. At a first "mental" sight, moving around of that imaginary contact point seemed to be the best choice for me. The other visualizations perhaps take a bit more time to adopt them, but I believe finally all of your examples will enrich my own fantasies. Most of all I love that idea of an invisible hand going through flesh, because pure fantasy works best for me, when I give up sticking to physical or biological rules. That's why I either can't find anything ridiculous about your pleasure goddess, by the way, a very nice praise, that Shibby surely will reward with a "Good Boy!" in a breathy voice. 🙂
03/17/2019 3:36 pm
@med-sir great mental imagery, thank you for sharing. I will try some of that out myself! Last night I was practicing this aless technique and imagining an infinitely long serpent-like creature flowing continuously into my rectum and over my prostate. It was intensely orgasmic!
03/17/2019 4:36 pm
@med-sir great mental imagery... imagining an infinitely long serpent-like creature flowing continuously into my rectum and over my prostate. It was intensely orgasmic!
@divine_oblivion perhaps knows that the avatar of @med-sir looks like "an infinitely long serpent-like creature flowing continuously into OUR rectums and over OUR prostates"!!!
@med-sir really has some most vivid and graphic imaginations that are of great help!--I totally agreed with @SOwithoutAneros
The "SERPENT-like creatures" also appear in Priapus of Milet's famous The 7th Circle
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5bc8604734aa2
I believe such images tell us something much deeper about our male erogenous areas & sexuality.
You guys are really gifted in sexual visualization! If there is a Temple of Sexuality, you guys will be the High Priests.
03/18/2019 1:35 am
@GulliverPlus interesting coincidence (or not, as I have a tendency to mimic people without realizing it). I will check that link when I am in a more private place!
03/18/2019 6:02 am
I find most mornings are beginning this way for me since learning the method. I don’t even need to concentrate too much, I am simply aware of the pressure points. It does in fact feel as if an invisible hand has me in its tender grip and my entire genital area is energised. To be honest, even just writing about it now has triggered it, ohh!:p Ha, incredible.
03/18/2019 1:16 pm
@divine_oblivion Exactly clench an imaginary muscle above your pubicbone (not to hard). Then clench the muscle in the perineum (not to hard). RELAX! You will feel a tingeling like a pingpong ball going between the spots. RELAX and BREATHE! It will increase and build contractions that goes throw your body. They can be very intence so your hole body will tremble or more subtile.
@Pavlov ( About the anatomy it is not very much difference except for the outside. You have a p-spot we have a g-spot that is made of the same prostate tissue.)
I follow exactly the steps of the post.
Good luck to you and your female friend!
03/18/2019 2:00 pm
@divine_oblivion
My bad! I did not imply that anybody is mimicking...Apologies! I should have said: thank you for sharing your experience and VISION of the "OUROBOROS" you SHARED with @med-sir and many MALES in human history!!!
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros The image of Ouroboros originated in Egyptian culture, welcomed by the Greek and later Roman and EU, and resonated in Indian culture. It is not just for the "alchemy"; The German organic chemist August Kekule also described his eureka moment when he realized the structure of benzene after he (reportedly said that he) saw a vision of Ouroboros.
Therefore, this image is, shall we say, SO VERY Profound and Universal! Even the modern artist Priapus of Milet uses it as one of the most important motifs/elements in his artworks. It is phallic, it is Qi (Chi)-like energy, it is always in Chakra ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra ) motion, slithering through our anorectal canals, massaging our prostates, and travel throughout the whole bodies & relax our minds & open our eyes to see the vision... That is, this Ouroboros-VISION has been slithering through human history for thousands of years! And your vision-testament reconfirmed it! I would say: it is divine! Cheers!
03/18/2019 4:49 pm
Great little post. I discovered this around my first super-o. I described not flexing my sphincter. And I’d ‘pull down’ on the pc very gingerly,deft touches. The technique works especially well in a seated position. For me,it’s simply being able flex much smaller areas of the pelvic floor,with pin point accuracy,unlike at the start of the journey when pretty much everything flexes at once. Then you begin to separate sphincter from the top of pc,and so on and so forth,but this is experience and belief in play. Another technique I enjoy is what I call the flick . If you imagine an exercise rope ,when it’s picked up and flicked,a curve travels down the rope to the end,I like to engage and contract my sphincter,and flick a contraction that travels all the way around the ‘hammock’ and snaps out a pleasure bang at the end of the pc. It actually feels like a smooth flicking motion inside. Of course when you build up a rhythm,then it’s like when people are constantly flicking the ropes during exercise,curve after curve travel until it leads to incredible orgasm. Such a voyage of self discovery I’ve had personnally. My only regret is not finding the journey 20 years before.
03/19/2019 11:02 am
@med-sir At a first "mental" sight, moving around of that imaginary contact point seemed to be the best choice for me. ..... Shibby surely will reward with a "Good Boy!" in a breathy voice
Let me know if moving the points around worked for you as well as it did for me! ..... By the way damn! those two words made me want to listen to some Shibby audio 😉
@GulliverPlus interesting coincidence (or not, as I have a tendency to mimic people without realizing it). I will check that link when I am in a more private place!
Perhaps it's no coincidence and people throughout time are onto something, I mean it's a recurring theme in more than a few cultures (although I admit it may be some kind of image we subconsciously grab and assign to these feelings cause that's what we've seen all out lives, but it' accurate!). Like @GulliverPlus mentioned, I crudely drew my perception of how Prostate awakening and pleasure feel to me and it's basically an ouroboros, with a representation of my lower abdomen in the center. Although for me, my ouroboros is a dragon, not a snake. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I suggest you take a look at this sub, you might find something fun.
https://community.aneros.com/community/for...s-and-rewiring
You guys are really gifted in sexual visualization! If there is a Temple of Sexuality, you guys will be the High Priests.
Well thanks!! Although you and @SOwithoutAneros are who I got several ideas from.
03/19/2019 12:29 pm
... Although for me, my ouroboros is a dragon, not a snake.
Anybody mentioned a snake? Did he really know what kind of snake we meant? 
...Let me know if moving the points around worked for you as well as it did for me!
Although not really knowing how good it worked for you, I'd guess YES! 😀
...By the way damn! those two words made me want to listen to some Shibby audio!
That's been the intent! :p If not even some light arousal somewhere. 😉
Cheers! Mart
03/20/2019 2:40 pm
@GulliverPlus no worries, I wasn't offended! I've seen plenty of those ouroboros in art without being aware of the name for them. Thanks for your colorful informative posts!
03/20/2019 11:02 pm
Anybody mentioned a snake? Did he really know what kind of snake we meant?
DAMN I followed the link to that thread, that technique by @yankeecowboy and the discussions by @Unfug and others just gave me the most powerful aless session. That relaxation technique, progressing upwards, plus the imaginary pressure points made me a quivering mess over and over, no aneros required, it felt just as good or even better than with the Aneros. It's all in the breathing and relaxation, coupled with mental images. That thread and this INDEED should be stickies! imho
03/21/2019 6:16 am
This is working so well for me. This morning I almost had the feeling that an ejaculation might occur. I now have that dull ache that you get when you have stopped an ejaculation. Is it even possible with only mental stimulation? All of this seems to come from our own minds, could we not reach the next step? Has anybody already got there!
02/29/2020 7:44 am
An incredible method! Still my favorite for instant orgasms, all day every day.
02/29/2020 8:10 am
I now have that dull ache that you get when you have stopped an ejaculation. Is it even possible with only mental stimulation? All of this seems to come from our own minds, could we not reach the next step? Has anybody already got there!
Jep! It is possible with only mental stimulation. The more often I enjoy my little standing orgasms everywhere and anytime I only need some focus and the wish that it shall happen. Then I first feel this dull ache in my perineum and gland area, some seconds before some p-waves are sent out and are spreading through my body. I only stand still and enjoy the feeling slowly growing to an orgasm, followed by more orgasms and even multiple orgasms or sometimes even a remarkable superO. The more I suppress involuntary spasms in my abdomen the more I can focus on the p-waves and thus help empowering these orgasms. At the beginning stretching my body and soul to the maximum length (arms still hanging loose on both sides) in a kind of position of attention* seems to be helpful for my inner focus. Life is sooo wonderful! Enjoy it!
Btw, getting a boner out of nowhere in less than a minute is a pleasurable side effect. 😉
P.S. *Perhaps this position and stretching also helps my Kundalini to find open chakras when crawling up my spine?
03/02/2020 2:38 pm
@pavlovs-dog
Can you explain which "muscle over the glans"? I really have probs to follow his explaination.... I'm a noob 🙂
03/04/2020 1:05 pm
OMG! I gave this a try last night. To my amazement, I was rock hard and throbbing with P waves within 2 minutes.
To preface this, I started using the Aneros products about 3 months ago at a pace of 2-3 two hour sessions a week. Lately I've experienced a couple of Super O's (though they didn't last long) so I know what sensations and feelings to look out for. I plan to discuss this in another thread.
I must say that once I recognized the sensations and completely relaxed after a minute or so of very, very subtle PC contractions, my breathing increased, I got rock hard, and then I began feeling the rolling or pumping waves in my pubic or prostate area. It built up much like a Super O does, but it lacked that humming/buzzing orgasmic feeling of the prostate being touched and massaged that overtakes the whole body.
Despite that, it was very pleasant and I was shocked at the amount of precum that had puddled on my stomach within minutes. I'm definitely going to have to explore this more!
For the most part, I employ the "do nothing technique when using the Aneros and it seems to be working for me in terms of progressing. Now I wonder if I should be using this subtle technique along with my Aneros sessions?
03/04/2020 3:01 pm
Now we have to find a part of the PC-muscle: The part which is just above (in the direction of your belly) your penis.
Uhm.... "above"? I really have probs to determine which muscles...?
03/04/2020 4:12 pm
It seems I answered that question back then but my post got lost. Only @DarkOrb s answer is left. So from the description given, I'd guess he means the levator prostatae.
See the pelvic muscles that are mentioned here unisono as PC-muscle(s) are actually a set of 4 smaller muscles forming a group called levator ani. The PC is (just) the biggest of them. The levator prostatae is the smallest one. It's basically a small U-shaped loop, coming from the pubic bone, looping behind and slightly under the prostate and going back to the pubic bone. Hence the name: levator = lifter.
I had a nice in-depth private chat with @Kazama about this topic a while ago and made a few pictures for better understanding / visualization. I'll try to find them an add them friday.
03/05/2020 1:14 pm
I had some success with this, when I was already pretty wound up.
Work in Progress.
03/06/2020 11:26 am
What happens in Vagus, stays in Vagus. 😉
03/06/2020 12:14 pm
Darkorb, I really want to thank you for sharing your tips at the beginning of this post. Last night I had a super intense Aless session. Didn't think I could hit an orgasm that big & deep. I followed your advice and tips and I was rewarded with several big, mind blowing, intense orgasms. Many many thanks !!!
03/07/2020 11:59 am
Uhm.... "above"? I really have probs to determine which muscles...?
I had a nice in-depth private chat with @Kazama about this topic a while ago and made a few pictures for better understanding / visualization. I'll try to find them an add them friday.
OK, as promised earlier, some handy pictures and further infos on the pelvic muscles. Since it's from a privat chat, I mentioned some other muscles we discussed earlier. You may ignore that to avoid confusion or mental overload.
Also, the way pictures are handled changed a bit with the new forum software. I may have to post them in extra posts. It seems, that you can copy-paste pictures from the web, but not from your local drive. Any tricks are welcome. [Edit: Found a way now, thx @SowithoutAneros]
The levator ani are the heart and soul of the pelvic muscles. They are usually oversimplified and refered to as the PC-muscle. PC stands for PuboCoccygeus, which just describes the place where it sits: between the pubis and the coccyx. The muscle group consists of 4 muscles with the PC being the biggest, longest and most outer one. I guess that's why most people only gain control over the PC and stop there w/o noticing, that there are more distinct levels of control possible. So they think, the PC is all there is. Surprise: it's not.
The whole group looks like a tuning-fork which has a curve because it was overrun by a steamroller (picture 1).
Levator means lifter and that's pretty much what these muscles do: they lift tissue (mostly upwards). From back to front the muscles of the group are:
- anococcygeal ligament (AL, anus-coccyx )
- pubococcygeus (PC, pubis-coccyx)
- puborectalis (PR, pubis-rectum)
- levator prostatae (LP, prostate lifter / pubis-prostate)
It's a bit hard to see, because everything but the muscles is set to transparent. Just right of the green line is a small round shape - that's the prostate. Directly above and 5-6 times bigger is the bladder. The opening between the purple and the green line is the passage for the colon.
The AL connects the whole group to the coccyx and pulls back towards the spine (dorsal). It also pulls upwards (cranial). It feels like someone slightly touches/fondles the frontside of your spine from the inside in an upward motion.
The PC pulls everything towards the front and is able to apply a good amount of (rather broad) pressure on the prostate. I feel it pulling to the front (ventral) and also downwards (caudal), which makes sense when you look at picture 2.
The PR and LP seem to be just smaller versions of the PC which pull smaller areas of tissue but there is more to them.
The PR slings around the rectum and compresses it when clenched. It's motion feels like it only slightly pulls to the front but mostly upwards (in contrast to the PC).
the LP slings around the urethra and prostate. When clenched, it also feels like an upward (cranial) and almost backwards (dorsal) pull. It feels very similar to the bulbospongiosus but just a few inches more up. (They seem to be on the same height on the dorsal-ventral-axis.)
So, why do they all feel so different, when they basically pull in the same direction? Because the whole group is bent like a bowl. So each muscle has it's own axis (picture 2)!
The position of the prostate is marked in white. On the far right of the muscle group is a little red spot, which marks the attachment point with the pubic bone. The different pulling angles are a result of the different muscles pulling to that point, but from different relative hights.
Ok, so how can we benefit from the individual control of the levator ani group?
First of all: relaxation!
If you are able to control the muscles, you will be able to recognize involuntary contractions and thus be able to properly relax the muscles when needed. This is mostly of value when you play with bigger dildos (mastering/passing the bend between rectum and sigmoid) and when you learn to re-wire your penis. But also for classic aneros play: since the PC is the strongest of the four, it can easily overpower the others and kill all subtle sensations from them. Also the PC plays a role in classic ejaculatory response. That's why I used it way to much as a beginner. During aneros-sessions, I usually just try to keep the PC relaxed, so it doesn't interfere.
Secondly: maneuvering.
This is especially true for the PR. When you have something inserted, you can pull it upwards with the PR, so the aneros (or any other plug) slides smoothly along the axis of the rectum and strokes the prostate lightly but distingtly (just like penetrative sex I guess). It works very well in combination with the (shallow and) deep traversus which lies on the other (front/anterior) side of the rectum. The deep traversus does almost the same thing like the PR, just from the other side and in the other direction - the perfect antagonist.
The PC will pull the aneros vertically to the rectum-axis and squeeze it right on the prostate - full frontal. So it results in a pressing motion. To much of that easily numbs everything down.
The LP somehow lifts the prostate, so it's pressed against the aneros from the underside. Esp. hook-like designs (the top bulge of the aneros) will build up an opposing pressure from above. Since the LP is rather weak, there is little chance of overdoing it. So numbing is unlikely. The LP applies little but pointy pressure, so it can spark nice feelings in the prostate on it's own.
The AL can't pull the aneros, since it's pulling to the back and the muscle slings of the other three muscles are open to the front. But it's very good in other regards.
04/25/2020 8:56 am
Well, that was interesting!
I woke this morning to a tiny tingle in the prostate area.
On a Saturday morning, with no obligations and no Aneros inserted.
So I just relaxed totally and mentally focused on the tingle. Nothing else.
The tingle grew... and grew...
I just relaxed and focused, and it grew and my insides were gently twitching without me consciously doing anything.
I was on the cusp of flowing into an O when the phone rang with a spam call, and I lost it. DRAT!
04/27/2020 8:25 am
Hey @gnawdol,
I read something similar here a few months ago and I'm wondering if it was you back then... I must say, this is friggin hot! 😀
Thx for sharing!
07/28/2020 4:24 pm
Can someone please restate more precisely steps 3 and 4? I still don't understand what muscle is being talked about and how to contract it "lightly enough".
This post was modified 4 years ago by briiii
01/17/2021 8:56 am
Woah, that thread literally exploded.
Also, regarding the pressure points everybody is excited about:
@unfug The link goes nowhere. There are only references to "Belly orgasms my technique and questions?" from 2 years ago and earlier, but no post.
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