Dangers Of Anal Lube and Options

Hello Buttmasterflex, 🙂

has no one tried flax seed oil?

am I going to have to be the first?

You might. 😆
While being a healthy natural product, I don't suspect it will be very good in it's duration and lubricating qualities. Read the following link in the WIKI regarding vegetable oils in section 2 to see what I am talking about.

http://wiki.malegspot.com/index.php?title=Getting_Started#Types_of_Lubricants

Love_is

One thing that concerns me too is that this 'natural' word is used a lot in marketing. Poison Ivy is also 'natural' and we all know that does not belong near the behind. Could some of these products that use things we normally eat still be bad? I know food get prepped in digestion before it reaches the colon.

Hello, all.

I'm reviving this thread because it has some good lube info along with the usual paranoia. And, here's something relatively new that indicates silicone lube may not always be prohibited for silicone toys like Vice:

Tantus Silicone - sex education articles

Cheers,

Dave

Hey guys -- this post is somewhat hypercritical but not intended to scare the be-jesis out of folk. I rather like the roll of the dice and am comfortable in my skin and with my Aneros practice. However, this thread is realistic and the guys who contributed may have been well ahead of their time -- we do stand on the shoulders of some very smart and realistic heroes.

Thanks to Dave for finding this outstanding bump. Valuable particularly for Metis' reference to NLM's toxnet and for his tips regarding testing Silicones for compatibility. --- good read for all vice owners.

I am a bit surprised that the AIDS paper dated 2008 cited a few references that had been discredited. Nevertheless, some of it's thinking is sufficietly germane to the overall picture on anal lubes.

My recent lube story:

I fall into both the 'dry-ass' and 'very absorptive' families of Aneros users. So I share Metis' lust for lube. I also share with OH!! the dubious ability to get fractions of anal lube into my sinus and nasal membranes. For me, that's 35-45 minutes after I start a session -- I 'smell' the stuff. Some 'stuff' is OK and floral, other is somewhat 'chemical.' So some lubes add to my olifactory pleasure while others detract from my sensous experience. I've also found that I'm resorting to my 'neti pot' more often than ever before in my life. So there's little doubt that lube gets into my general circulation without having been broken down by liver bile and other digestive juices. -- Bile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -- K-Y is about the only lube that I don't smell however I'm glycerin sensitive so have bowel & IBS issues with it.

Note: There are some inborn differences in how the hepatic veins are organized around the colon and rectum so some men may be more immune to rapid absorption of anal lubes while others are not -- listen to your bod.

Flashback 25 years when I had regular work exposure to a variety of neurotoxic petrochemicals, distillates and organic bases like Hydrazine. Although well protected from skin absorption and inhalation hazards, we were taught to recognize the immediate symptoms of neurotoxin exposure (numbing of fingertips, visual aberrations, and sense of balance) as well as post-exposure disorientation.

Lo and behold, several weeks ago, I had an extended and generously lubed Aneros/e-stim session. I picked a lube, I'd not used before, for it's electro-conductive properties. The session had no hint of an orgasm. I attributed that to the newness and distractions of electro shock. I arose from bed a bit dizzy and for several days suffered from mild disorientation. Again, I blamed the e-stim but had the same symptoms several days later with the same lube but without any e-stim. A search of the Forum identified one other man who had the same experience with that lube. We are perhaps only two of maybe 5,000 men who have used that particular lube and had an issue. So, I am not in a position to damn that particular lube. It's ingredients are not unlike many other popular lubes. Only the order of ingredients is different. However, two of us seem neurologically sensitive to it. However, it only happened twice so is really "anecdotal."

So, for the more paranoid in the group, in addition to cancer, bowel issues, unknown circulatory and lipid questions, you can now ponder your tactile and sensory nerve endings!

I continue to pasteurize my Shea Butter + Coconut Oil lube to kill any unfriendly bacteria as do rumel and alv. However, when on travel or in a hurry, I 'roll-the-dice' with Slippery Stuff Gel even though it has a small parabens component. I do feel safe in my skin! And suggest that all Anerosians find a path where they feel comfortable.

Switch to silicone ? -- perhaps I'll pull out that old bottle of Swiss Navy and give it a try.

Will check it out with a tiny sliver from my Vice and see how it plays.

@Dave -- Perhaps it's appropriate to start a thread exclusive to Silicone lubes and how they play with the Vice and, perhaps other toys as well. It might be helpful if we could find out whether HIH has standardized on a single composition of Silicone rubber for the Vice and future toys. Or if we are dealing with a moving target.

Meanwhile guys, 'listen to your bodies'

rook

Good points, rook.

OK, here are the results of my tests of Astroglide X Silicone lube on 3 silicone toys:

FunFactory Share --------- Pass
Tantus Feeldoe Slim -------- Pass
Aneros Vice --------------- Pass

Pass means the silicone lube did not bond to the toy and wiped away clean after several minutes of trying to rub it into the surface.

NOTE: Before you take the chance of ruining one of your toys, do your own test on a small, unimportant part of your toy. Silicone formulations may vary from time to time, as do the lubes themselves.

Cheers,

Dave

PS. rook tested Swiss Navy Silicone lube on his Vice and it passed. Remember, run your own test with your own bottle of Swiss Navy or Astroglide X because the manufacturer might have changed the formula along the way.

What about Olive Oil?

Good information guys! I'm particularly impressed that the silicone lube only has issues with certain qualities/types of silicone toys. Not that I'm in a hurry to use silicone lube. But it's good to know that it might be an alternative to glycerin based lubes.

Love_is

Bill, and all;

Olive Oil? Yes, for me, Vaseline covered with Olive Oil is still the best, most long-lasting lube there is. I confirmed that last night by trying Astroglide X Silicone lube on my Vice instead of the usual combo. Had a typical session, slept until 5 AM, then had sex with my wife. When I removed the Vice before showering, I noticed that it had more "drag" on exiting than the Vaseline/Olive Oil system.

Best Regards,

Dave

Hello Dave, 🙂

While olive oil is natural and healthy compared to synthetic lubes. Your use of mixing it with Vaseline doesn't properly show how it performs on it's own. I'm betting you could use Vaseline by itself and get similar results as when mixing with olive oil. But not likely the other way around. But never having tried olive oil, I can't say for sure. Thoughts?

Love_is

Love_is;

I've tried both Olive Oil and Vaseline by themselves and they are not as effective. Somehow, the Olive Oil coating sticks to the Vaseline, making a very slippery and long-lasting lube. BTW, it only takes about 1 cc of Vaseline and 1 cc of Olive Oil to coat the Vice. The combo easily lasts all night.

I plan to start testing Walnut Oil as a replacement for the Olive Oil, starting tonight. Walnut Oil has Omega 3, which is good for you.

Cheers,

Dave

Happened to note some complaints about the melting temperature of Shea Butter being too low. So it's melting in the hand rather than melting inside.

Happened also to recently see a history of Chocolate. That show pointed out that the melting point of Cocoa Butter is between 97 and 99 degrees (F)..

Problem solved ! And it might increase the popularity of rimming.

Late Edit (Oct 2012): Noted an addition to my Grocery Stores's shelf inventory -- Vaseline with Cocoa Butter. Identify it by the Brown cap rather than the standard Blue Cap... enjoy!

The URLs for one of Dave's ( @ten_s_nut ) posts above to do with "Tantus Silicone - sex education series" seem to have changed to:

http://tantusinc.com/SEX-ED/Got-Lube-Part-1
and
http://tantusinc.com/SEX-ED/Got-Lube-Part-2

Petroleum Jelly, especially Vaseline, is quite safe. The man that discovered it, Robert Chesebrough, ate a tablespoon a day for over 60 years, and died at the age of 96. I highly doubt that he would have lived that long if it was toxic.

Just for interest:
I got this off the Tantus site.
The reason for "no silicone lube on silicone toys".
Silicone lubricant may bond to the toy. This isn't true for all silicone toys (e.g.Tantus Cock Sling) - it depends on the purity of the silicone toy and the purity of the lubricant. If you wish to test your silicone toy with silicone lube use the bottom of the flanged base and do a test square.
(sorry for the colours)

Fantastic thread! Since getting more involved in prostate massage due to boats of BPH, PFP, and some ED the thought of using lubes that could be harmful has been heavy on my mind.
The biggest concern for a 40 something year old is with regular use, could we be entertaining cell changes that could lead to Cancer? we simply do not know.
So I have been thinking of switching from trusted astro glide and vaseline to olive oil. I cant imagine a good dose of olives up the bum can be harmful! But then our little bums are used to only having digested waste going through it. But I think without research opting for natural things other than chemical compounds is the way to go
FYI - had the best session ever this morning!

Food for thought:
I find neat oil sort of seeps out. If added to a little beeswax this seeping seems to be minimized. Else where on the forum there is a lot of info about this. It is called Natural Jelly. Olive oil, walnut oil and sweet almond oil are all "salad" oils.

so silicone lubes are ok? I have been using ID Moments which is silicone based for about a year now with no problems. Tried water based early on and stopped after the "purge" feelings.

Well just been shopping with probably the most understanding wife on the planet (well for me anyway) and got a large jar of organic natural coconut oil.
It melts on your skin and even says on the jar "for skin care" as well as cooking.
It has no scent and very very slippery.
Anyone else tried it?

I have tried a lot of different oils, lotions, proprietary and otherwise.
Of all the common oils found in most kitchens I find the most slippery and lasting is peanut oil.
It does seep out and so I use an old towel to lie, or sit on. (I generally sit on a chair.)
Covering the device with petroleum jelly before the oil application does not help much imo.
Maybe the addition of beeswax would help make the lube more sustainable but beeswax is expensive and not all that easy to come by.
I also tried the addition of some margarine. This did not help really, both added to the peanut oil and by itself.
I don't like KY or other so called water based lubes for anal applications. They just don't last.
I find the best test for natural lubes is to taste it. If it tastes ok and kind of bland then it won't react with your anus/rectum.
I use the peanut oil for wok cooking as well...

I recently found a "natural" version of Astroglide GEL at the store.

Alcohol, glycerin, paraben, fragrance free

Used a whole tube with the Aneros and it worked great.

I'm curious as to why silicone lubes are considered safer than natural products? Seems to me that an unnatural product like silicone would be much worse? What am I missing? Thanks

@bobandy silicone does not get absorbed through the rectum wall it is expelled only.

lube is necessary to use anal toys