Aneros too long???

Don't expect an orgasm to be on the other side of that, just go with it and enjoy what you have.

I should clarify that I am enjoying where I am at. I just have had steady improvements all along until 2 months ago when things took a huge leap and this has been a constant thing. I don't get discouraged in sessions, but was just more curious if others had this sort of thing and found a better model suited for them. Thanks for the input!

That echoes a very recent thread. Check out @Canacan's advice in New user - thoughts & question.


Short answer: yeah, disruptive involuntary clenching is common. Minimizing the disruption is a skill to develop.

So WAIT a second here, let's clarify things a little.

Does everyone get this? Are we supposed to get this massive build up? First I've heard of it in ten years! Except when I have had this rare occurance and posted it people here tell me what I said above, that it is not the expectation of orgasm on the other side, that I should 'fall into orgasm'

Never experienced that, nor have I read of anyone else doing so either in ten years of beIng here.

So have the rules changed again?

@PSLabs an interesting interpretation of @Canacan's comment on that thread, which I have struggled to fully understand (I'm a bit simple).

Is part of building a better orgasm to avoid the involuntaries? - a bit like edging into an aneros orgasm? I had previously allowed them to happen but they are easy enough to stop.

@inhope does your above post make sense?

@smudgefish
I know. Canacan's comment lost focus where he tried to differentiate "do," "try to do," "learn to do," and "try to learn to do." But I liked the tight phrasing in his descriptions of the different O's, and I'd never thought before about two different meanings of "p-wave."

I hoped to emphasize "disruptive," not "involuntary." I'm on board with letting my body do its own thing, but when it does something that derails the ride, I'd like to understand how it happened and prevent it in future.
Most of my difficulty has been with a fast, powerful, almost violent clench. The feeling is nearly indistinguishable from ejaculation, except there's no pulsing, no emission, and it's only minimally enjoyable. This has abruptly stopped rides in their tracks. Appropriate to your question, I got past it in a way somewhat like edging. I learned through experience where the trigger breaks, to recognize when my body wanted to squeeze off that round, and that I had an active role in the event.

The separation of orgasm and ejaculation revealed itself in that moment: my body was climbing into orgasm, but had been conditioned by decades of naive practice that it should also ejaculate. I had accidentally reinforced that conditioning with a little squeezing and thrusting that made a real ejaculation more enjoyable, but also ensured it would happen. Removed from the context of penile stimulation, the result was a sadly crippled phony ejaculation and a halted orgasm. I had to figure out how to supress my reactive squeezes and still not interfere with the involuntary contractions. This is what Canacan's "don't stop it or push it" meant to me: paradoxically deliberate inactivity.

My second ass-clenchy difficulty is far less dramatic.

Left alone, my involuntary contractions glide the aneros a few millimeters in and out, very slowly stroking my interior surfaces. Feels good. The rhythm is punctuated by an occasional strong inward stroke: my body draws the instrument deeper inside, and gives it a quivering hug. Feels REAL good. The hug releases, the good feeling dissipates, and the slow stroking resumes developing the orgasm. It's not a ramp-up or incipient orgasm; it's just an exceptionally good wave. It becomes disruptive when that internal hug dissipates and isn't followed by anything nearly as good.

I haven't figured that one out yet. I don't pick up signs that it's going to happen, and it's too late to adjust anything when I notice the change in quality. I'm inclined to assign its cause to not being rested enough or not being horny enough.

@PSlabs. You have described exactly what I experience. Sounds likes just let it do its thing is what I need to do and things will come when they come. I was worried that what I was experiencing was abnormal. Thanks!

Im in the same spot also. I feel like the active part of the unit is going past the sweet spot but perhaps thats an illusion from what ive been reading?

What do you mean smudgefish? I'm asking if it's normal. I've never experienced that. Have you?

My 'quick-to-orgasm' are usually started lying on my right side a Helix-classic. The Helix is sensitive to gravity, my breathing, the position of my knees (pelvic angle), abdominal pressure (waste, Intestinal gas etc.) Even with all those variables it usually "lands" so that it's close to the spot that stimulates the most important nerve endings on my prostate and the rectal wall.

For most sessions my rectal muscle memory corrects for any positional error within a few moments. That error is probably no more than a few millimeters, certainly less than a centimeter.

However, about once or twice a year the "landing spot" is off target sufficiently that I have to do an 'abdominal shove outward or a small anal contraction to find the 'bulls-eye.' Sometimes it's necessary to maintain the 'new' spot for a few minutes. This 'error' will usually persist for a week or two then go away. A couple of sessions later my brain, body and hole have 'learned' this 'new geometry' and I'm good for several months.

Several times gents in Aneros Chat have offered thoughts regarding the cause. Here are two:

-- Rook has an enlarged prostate (about 2.5x average) and it's taken on a new shape. Perhaps true as my Urologist notes some annual changes in it's shape. (Last year it had a 'groove')

-- Rook plays with a variety of toys for "general anal fun" rather than prostate triggered dry-orgasm. Some are large and might stretch tissue so that my Kinesthetic sense of toy position has been altered.

My 'quick-to-orgasm' are usually started lying on my right side a Helix-classic. The Helix is sensitive to gravity, my breathing, the position of my knees (pelvic angle), abdominal pressure (waste, Intestinal gas etc.) Even with all those variables it usually "lands" so that it's close to the spot that stimulates the most important nerve endings on my prostate and the rectal wall.

For most sessions my rectal muscle memory corrects for any positional error within a few moments. That error is probably no more than a few millimeters, certainly less than a centimeter.

However, about once or twice a year the "landing spot" is off target sufficiently that I have to do an 'abdominal shove outward or a small anal contraction to find the 'bulls-eye.' Sometimes it's necessary to maintain the 'new' spot for a few minutes. This 'error' will usually persist for a week or two then go away. A couple of sessions later my brain, body and hole have 'learned' this 'new geometry' and I'm good for several months.

Several times gents in Aneros Chat have offered thoughts regarding the cause. Here are two:

-- Rook has an enlarged prostate (about 2.5x average) and it's taken on a new shape. Perhaps true as my Urologist notes some annual changes in it's shape. (Last year it had a 'groove')

-- Rook plays with a variety of toys for "general anal fun" rather than prostate triggered dry-orgasm. Some are large and might stretch tissue so that my Kinesthetic sense of toy position has been altered.

@rook are you saying that using different or larger toys has somehow made it difficult to use your normal aneros toys/techniques? Is there any evidence of this being true for anyone else?

Well since I started the thread I felt I should update. I ended up getting the Helix Syn. It actually seems a bit longer than the SGX classic, but it is a lot more flexible and brings me to full orgasm. Nothing like what a super-o would be considered but the same intensity orgasm as ejaculating but it lasts 3-5 minutes, also the general feeling all around is different than the SGX or my Vice. So maybe its not the length but the SGX was just not going forward enough. I achieve these orgasms with the Helix about every 10 minutes. I have the SGX, the Helix, and the Vice. All produce very different but good results. I have a hard time deciding which to use.

Man you are lucky. Your post sounded exactly like me... All you had to do was get the helix syn, and achieved a 3-5 minute orgasm?????? I have almost all the models, and nothing like that 🙁

Man you are lucky. Your post sounded exactly like me... All you had to do was get the helix syn, and achieved a 3-5 minute orgasm?????? I have almost all the models, and nothing like that 🙁

I know right? I make you want to go try the helix out but we both know we will end frustrated when we hear of others success with that device. The helix is th worst out of all the devices for me. Yet it seems the best for so many. Have noticed that?

The helix is th worst out of all the devices for me. Yet it seems the best for so many. Have noticed that?

I guess it's due to the very same reason: the helix has a rather pointy ridge. For many guys, this seems to be a good thing to awake the prostate and get things going. For me, it's to aggressive.

The helix is th worst out of all the devices for me. Yet it seems the best for so many. Have noticed that?

I guess it's due to the very same reason: the helix has a rather pointy ridge. For many guys, this seems to be a good thing to awake the prostate and get things going. For me, it's to aggressive.

I would agree yes, but then i feel that why my sessions end so abruptly is because of a loss of contact, or stimulation physically. Figuring it out is way too hard though.

@jja2 and @Sorena_ I know exactly what you are talking about. The Helix is definitely more aggressive. I was just on a business trip and got a lot of time with it, and I am definitely more sore than with any other model. Not painful, but letting me know that I need a little more recovery time. That being said, after inserting it for the first time it was like, "Hello". Totally more intense feeling. On one had I feel I am lucky at the progress I have achieved, on the other I am approaching a year of use and feel I was due for some good progress. My first few times I had no good or bad results and all ended in traditional masturbation with the Aneros which was better than without. I decided to give it an honest shot and followed all recommendations from the forums and the wiki to a T and got fantastic results. I think patience was the best thing I did. Then I got to the point where things took off and then stopped at the involuntary clenching and I couldn't get passed it. I have really tried to concentrate on being relaxed at the time that this takes place and have only used the Helix during this time where I was really focusing on this. I am hoping that this will cary over to the other models as well. So maybe it wasn't just the Helix but a combination of being more conscious of what my body was doing. The Helix is the only one I brought on the trip, so I plan on my next session to be back with the SGX, to see how things go. The other experience I had with it was in between orgasms I had a constant "orgasm building" feeling and maybe that was due to how aggressive the tip is. I wish I had bought the MGX for my first model, but I didn't so maybe I will end up getting it. What model works best for you guys? I use the Vice a lot during sex with my wife and I think the general fullness of it helps with keeping a really aroused sensation but without the movement of the smaller models to push me over the edge, it just doesn't move enough for me in solo sessions. When buying the Helix the website had 50% off all Aneros models so I got it for 35.00 so that made the decision for me. So I understand not wanting to drop the money and being disappointed. I was hesitant at 60-70. The website was Good Vibrations out of San Francisco, I think it is goodvibes.com. Maybe you can watch their site for another deal. Ironically that is where my trip was and I visited their store and they even honored my website purchase for their in-store loyalty rewards program......which resulted in more money being spent....... Very knowledgeable and nice people.