aneros strap-on?

Crazymonkey8880,

It is important to note that the Aneros is NOT designed be used as a traditional dildo or vibrator, where it is manually worked in and out. According to the manufacturer such use can be dangerous. Postings here in the forum too have borne this out, with some users reporting that they actually drew blood by this method of use. Again, the Aneros has been designed as an anally driven device. If you plan working the Aneros by hand, exercise extreme caution...but know also that you are doing so at your own risk!

That said, the notion of a double Aneros does have some merit. Presumably such a device would be focused at the gay market, but if it were designed so that both users were using anal contractions only...seems conceivable that it might work. Naturally, this assumes that the participants could employ some restraint in their contractions as well. Once again the idea is not to pump oneself to an orgasm, it's all much more subtle than that.

BF Mayfield

wow - i didn;t know you shouldn't make it move fast.

as for the idea of the aneros strap on, i guess than that it shouldn't be designed in the aneros format.

What I'm saying is that the Aneros company should use its knowledge of prostate stimulation to provide a different sort of aneros type toy that would stimulate the prostate (for male to female pegging). There are plenty of crude, unscientifically sound such strap on dildos. I think that if the Aneros company used it's knowledge it could come up with a strap-on that is good for stimulating the male prostate. For example, the strap on are usually too long, at around 5.5 to 12 inches, and often shaped more for female penetration thatn male penetration.

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crazymonkey8880,

I hear you with respect to the available strap-ons, but again the problem is that once you design the device such that it engages the prostate directly, you're talking about bringing the full force of a pelvic thrust to bear. It would have to be made of a soft jelly type material and engage the prostate more tangentially than it currently does at the very least. The bottom line is that prostate itself was never intended for such direct slamming. As I've stated in the past, at higher levels of stimulation the prostate goes into a negative feedback loop mode such that it requires more and more pressure to register the same level of sensation. Inevitably damage can occur in this way.

The truth is that there is much to be discovered with the Aneros just the way it is (at subtler levels). I understand the intent, to involve others in the experience more directly, but Super O sessions may be shared with caressing, oral pleasures and traditional intercourse (with the Aneros inserted) as it is presently configured.

BF Mayfield

But now I am dissatsified - the aneros never worked for me. I'm sad.

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Too bad about crazymonkey8880. I understand that he was missing some vital perspective on the origins and objectives of aneros, as well as the health issues around sensitivity levels of prostate stimulation, however I believe that some aspects of his thoughts deserve greater consideration.

As noted in my earlier posts on other threads, my wife and I have been exploring mutual prostate stimulation for several months, since researching female ejaculation or female prostate (G-spot) focused stimulation and orgasms. Our successes with this have encouraged my wife to want to participate in stimulating my prostate which has resulted in dry multiples and multiples followed by penile sex to my ejaculatory orgasm. This can wonderfully take about two hours or more.

I am making gradual progress with my MGX in solo aneros milestones (no Super Os yet) including very hot, very prolonged and unrelenting pre-orgasmic times in my office chair and car seat! My wife and I share variants on these based on her long afterglows from our sessions focused on her prostate. We love this mutual prostate ecstatic loving life.

We are looking for a link, a device, designed with the scientific insight of the aneros that would be appropriate on one end to the slow tender caressing around and out from the female prostate bulb just behind the roof of the vagina near the entrance, and on the other end, an aneros-like but non-rigid form that would be safe and assuredly gentle, with the two elements connected to enable gentle rocking (P-tab and some female equivalent or clitoral pivot) to effect a mutual stimulation initiated by either or both: a gentle, mutual, slow motion, prostatic ecstatic, multi-orgasmic pas-de-deux.

For now, my wife gets a real kick out of me as her finger puppet, heaving rolling laughing crying (in ecstacy!) and vocalizing vigorously for extended periods of dry multiples, just as I enjoy the complex feeling transmitted by the subtle contractions and rolling of her prostate and her rolling building joys and ejaculations, but more options for really developing this mutual prostate potential could be a noble and natural expansion and extension of the aneros mandate.

A male-male variant and a female-female variant are both easily envisioned once the basic design is mapped. What does everyone think?

I am in favor of "an expansion of the aneros mandate" as described by the previous user. With their current market niche, they sell a lot if they offered more products - it woul dhave to be very carefully researched though.

All I know, is that the current strap-ons on the market are
a)usually to big - the rectum is like only 5.3 inches long for me, so anything long hits uncomfortably at the top. Not to mention, the sensitive parts are not the top, but rather the front wall.

b)too small if they aren't to big - they often aren't wide enough if they are shorter

c) the shape and texture - if often like a dick, with veins and all, which is often uncomfortable for couples

d) if there is a shape and texture - it is often boring - nothing seems to be really designed for actually good feeling - its like a plastic silicone rod was just built with no thought to it's acutal physical effect

Maybe in 5-10 years aneros could have this product on the market- seeing as they are currently making increased sums of money all over the world. Their toys are in stores all over the US now.

Their brand could easily expand to other anal (even vaginal) genres

I am a gay man and have to tell you that when having sex with my partner is great with the aneros in. But one time he took the aneros which was inside me and started to pump it like a dildo. I had to stop him VERY FAST because it actually hurt.

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Thanks crazymonkey8880 and saugatuck.

If we are all clear that we are not talking about traditional vigorous thrusting action, but rather slow caressing sensual delicate triggering seeking the "other realm" of full body extended orgasmic music, then some aneros-like but softer gentler form of mutual prostate stimulating, sensation communicating device for mutual prostate sex, as I attempted to sketch above, is a very, very attractive goal.

Saugatuck, do you see that possibility in a male-male device being an attractive, non-ejaculatory, orgasmic option for gay men?

We have gay and lesbian friends and I haven't yet opened discussions with anyone of any orientation outside this and other internet forums about aneros and mutual prostatic sex. I would appreciate your thoughts.

As far as a direct prostate stimulator for traditional stap-on, I agree with BF Mayfield and your experience saugatuck, that can only be very painful and dangerous. It is a good thing that most penises and dildoes go further up the rectum and pass the prostate area tangentially.

Crazymonkey8880, would this slow gentle multi-O approach answer what you are looking for in strap-on?

i think this site should consider selling the FeelDoe in the For Couples section. since the site is about anal sex, that would a fantastic thing for men whose women are game.

if we got really lucky, the FeelDoe folks could learn from the aneros and put a hump in the top edge of the penis to do some targeted slide-by massage of the prostate (or g-spot in lesbian use) with each pump.

ya know how some young women pierce their tongue supposedly to improve giving head, well, how about for women wearing a FeelDoe or gay guys, some kind of cock ring that offers a hump on the top side of the penis to stroke the prostate. (maybe this already exists?)

darwin

Very interesting suggestion Darwin. There is a "stapon sex" thread in the Exploring Sex forum at the MensHealth UK website at

www.menshealth.co.uk/index.php/chatroom/topic/291960?startnum=1

where we have been exploring prostate massage in that mode and the Feeldoe is the alternative being explored slowly by a few in the latest postings there. I have encouraged that group to visit aneros and this forum.

The feeldoe is the likely next experiment for my wife and I. Have you or others here had experience with it?

Or is there a feeldoe thread here (I'll look)?

Before actually trying it, my guess is that we are really looking for something less massive and blunt, and more mobile internally for each partner. Time and touch will tell. Thanks again.

Feeldoe is mentioned in at least two other threads: "BIG TEXAN ORGASM!!!" with BF Mayfield's introduction to the Feeldoe; and "sleep with it works". More experiences and opinions would be helpful.

I have the Feeldoe Slim model and let me just say it's not for anal beginners.

The bulb end (the part designed to be inserted into the person who will be doing the thrusting) is 1-1/2" in diameter.

It's so wide that I simply could not accommodate it. By comparison, the Progasm is a breeze to insert.

Actually, I've thought of writing the Feeldoe manufacturer just to ask if they would consider making a smaller bulb specifically for men, like 1" or even 1-1/4."

I think it's a wonderful toy with a lot of potential, but it is designed for women after all.

If they ever make a model with a smaller bulb, I will be first in line to buy one.

the bulb end is better accommodated by a vagina, with the penis end going anal, for hetero couples, with an "anal enabled" guy, such as an aneros user.

darwin

Yes, I noticed that.

😉

But actually, they do say on their main website FAQ that men can use the bulb as well, leaving the impression that it's still considered to be a "correct" form of use for the product.

Besides, if you check out the dimensions on each model, the Feeldoe Slim is the only one where the "penis" end is thinner than the bulb itself, 1-1/4". The Feeldoe Standard is 1-1/2" and the Feeldoe Stout is 1-3/4". But the bulb is 1-1/2" on all 3 models.

ah, got it. yep, i see what you mean.

(i have the slim and not being a true anal vet, was not real comfortable even getting the 1 1/4 penis side in me as an experiment in hopes of 'doin it' with my wife)

i should also mention that i understand your interest in getting the bulb in there as it is a good shape to hit the prostate, while also letting the sphincter revert to a smaller diameter.

for those who want to go this way, check out this book which is a real classic and gives instructions on how acclimate your butt to these girths among other cool insights:

Anal Pleasure and Health by Jack Morin

(and, while you're buying Morin's books, also check out the excellent 'The Erotic Mind')

darwin

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The "japanese use of prostate massage" thread from a few years ago just appeared and contains information that ties into some of the discussions here.

Perhaps a Sticky thread gathering the diverse information around non-aneros types of prostate massage, and also the health issues around prostate massage ( ie. from too much force, frequency etc.) would also be very much appreciated.

I agree with your first book reference; my wife and I both enjoy it and find it helpful. Thanks for the recommendation on The Erotic Mind.

artform,

With respect to a device that gently stimulates both the male and female prostates simultaneously, so far as I know, it does not exist. Frankly, I think you will be hard pressed to ever find such a product. The reason is really a matter of mechanics. While it may be possible to provide some mutual stimulation, a la the Feeldoe. The Feeldoe and all such double-headed devices rely on thrusting in some manner or another. Again, a double headed unit like the Feeldoe (or some iteration thereof) would probably offer mutual stimulation, but whether such stimulation would have the capacity to initiate Super O's in both partners is much less certain. In my opinion, a woman might (just might) benefit from thrusted stimulation, but a man most likely would not. Thrusting stimulation of the male prostate falls under the heading of high intensity stimulation, and high intensity stimulation of the prostate generally leads to desensitization.

I know what you're after, something that operates more gently and subtly. In this sense there is probably no substitute for each partner having a pair of skilled hands. But there is one final element to consider as well. On many occasions I've characterized the Aneros as a tool or a Key to the domain of the Super O. What I've tried to get across is that there is a lot larger picture than one generating orgasm from going solo with Aneros. What I and increasingly others have now made clear, is that once you become familiar with this phenomenon, it is possible to create it under a number of different circumstances. Orgasms from nipple stimulation, perineal massage, mental focus, KSMO, anal, rectal and PC contractions and focused breathing to name a few, and all without the need for the Aneros OR direct genital contact. Long ago I used the term tantric training wheels to describe the way that the Aneros functions. Unlike a set of training wheels however, there is no need to discard the Aneros after one uncovers the Super O, rather the device becomes a part of a constantly changing panorama of sensation.

My suggestion would be to work on your respective Super O chops so to speak. Gain some familiarity with the Super O individually first. For you this would take the form of more exploration with the Aneros. There is no reason that your wife couldn't be involved in the process (and vice versa), but it is preferable that the both of you concentrate on one person at time. In my opinion, trying to synchronize Super O's in two people who have never had Super O's separately is like trying to catch lightening in a bottle. To my way of thinking, when approaching the couples experience it's far more logical for each partner to have had some level of experience with their own Super O's to draw upon. It's simply a shorter track. That said, there are many current Tantric practices that seek to start people from scratch with this. Again, I'm just not convinced that there is any one device that will ever be able to link people together in this way, particularly people who have no experience with the Super O to begin with.

With respect to devices for your wife, HIH is still in developement at this point on a female product. In the meantime, have you checked out the Rock Chick yet? Although this is really for solo experiences, it affords simultaneous clitoral and female prostate (G-spot) stimulation. It can be used with or without the built- in vibrator and I know of one woman who has enjoyed it immensely.

In so far as a Strap On Aneros goes, it is not really practical (for the reasons I elaborated previously). However, I am aware of a strap-in capability that is currently under development.

BF Mayfield

P.S. I'm not slamming the Feeldoe in the least here, the truth is that I have had many "defining" sessions with it myself and have recommended to others such as Pan and Darwin. If you have any specific questions about it...let me know.

Thanks BFM for the detailed and considered reply and suggestions.

Rock Chick is interesting as a prostate (female) and clitoris stimulator. We may well get there before the Feeldoe. I like the potential of Rocks Off's Rude Boy, the male prostate and perineum machine which they advertise as "Hands Free Orgasms". Where have I heard that before! Perhaps a tensegrity armature linking these two rocking devices...

I respect your thoughts about the importance of solo development. However, my wife and I are having such a wonderful time working sequentially with one another's prostate orgasms that we do not want to stop that path of development. Our times focused on her have, at times, included my MGX in place to good effect.

Her finger work in me, when I am the focus, has become very sensitive and deft and my prostate literally reaches out to meet her. To get back to dry multiples so quickly after so many years is amazing and I feel close to the Super O threshold. Time will tell. I think we will both try KSMO soon too.

When I say "get back", I'm referring to the Intellectual Orgasms that I described in the post in the "Age Limit???" thread a while ago. They were launched spontaneously, with no penile or anal stimulation of any kind. Although with the frequency of masturbation with anal stimulation (sometimes the carefully smoothed missiles) and prostate massage at that age, the IOs would occur involuntarily no more than 48 hours after a masturbation session. That is timing like the current chair-gasms and car-gasms after MGX or fingering that are so energizing these days.

In the early 1990s I explored several Tantric techniques and mastered both the withholding and inward ejaculation. I also succeeded in the energy flows up the spinal steps around the head and back down the frontal steps. We are thinking of using the Feeldoe not so much for thrusting, but as a transmitter of vibrations and subtle movements like a Tantric still intercourse, focused on prostate to prostate communing. Have you or any others experimented with the Feeldoe in that direction?

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artform,

With respect to the Rock Chick and the male version Rude Boy, it's funny because I'd considered suggesting both of them used in tandem in some way, but stopped short, as I haven't had a chance to test the Rude Boy myself. I have examined it and read the literature on it however. Unlike the Aneros, which is anally driven, the Rude Boy is a fairly static device that requires one to rock back and forth while in a seated position (it also comes with a built-in vibrator for those who are so inclined). It's possible that this may hold some potential for the both of you....perhaps with something as simple as a large taut elastic band linking the two devices. But again, judging from it's form and description, I found it a bit underwhelming. Like you, I enjoy the subtlty of experiencing my body's own responses, preferably as unfettered as possible.

With respect to my previous suggestions regarding the two of you concentrating on each other one at a time, you must forgive me, as I was unaware of your level of experience with this kind of play. From the way that you've described it, you two are no strangers to the Tantric path. My comments were made primarily with the newbie in mind.

In regards to your practices of using hand and finger manipulation, it seems consistent with my own thinking that there are few things that can take the place of skilled and sensitive fingers applied lovingly and sensuously. As you have undoubtedly determined, fingers can not only give, but can receive sensation also, allowing for a flow of energy between partners that is unparalleled with an inanimate device. That said, I know that it's nice to mix things up once and a while too!

About the Feeldoe, it is possible that it too could serve as a conduit of sorts, albeit on a "less refined" level. I have found that the bulb end delivers some really wonderful sensations to ones prostate as do the ribs on the base to ones anus. For purposes of masturbation, you or your partner can work the pony (cock) end of the device, dialing up all sorts of pleasures for yourself. With respect to a couples application, it gets down to using a position that will access your partner's G-spot most efficiently. I've found that a foam wedge like the Liberator does the trick as it seems to offer the proper angle for the head of the Feeldoe to make contact. I find that this works best for both parties, if I begin by inserting the Feeldoe myself, followed by the insertion into my partner. At that point, just letting her grind on the end of it has always yielded the best results. With a little wiggling on my end, I've been well on my way to multiple Super O's in very short order. I would have to add this as a caveat however, I am aware that I may be a bit more "tuned" for this experience than some users out there, and I cannot speak to how this would present itself for the newbie either. I should also mention that at 1.5 inches in diameter, the bulb end may take some getting used to, depending on ones elasticity down there!

BF Mayfield

Thanks so much for this conversation. I feel better oriented in this community now. Let's hear it for the unsurpassed communion through the fingers, and the richness of the other options in this banquet of living artfully. Thanks again.