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Hi guys,

I'm on NoFap (trying to abandon porn and masturbation to cure a bunch of issues), and after 24 days of not watching porn, and 30 days of no traditional orgasm, last night I had my first wet dream in something like 20 years, but I used Eupho Syn while sleeping.

I posted on Reddit ( https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/7r9546/wet_dream_fist_in_20_years_with_aneros_toy/ ) to ask for advice there regarding NoFap, however I think most people there don't use Aneros or do prostate massage so wondered if I can get advice here.

Basically one responder tells me that I should reset my counter to 0 days now because I used aneros and that it means I was intentionally trying to get an orgasm. However I'm not sure this makes sense. I was asleep! And I've slept with the Aneros many times and never had this effect, I've also slept with Aneros while doing this NoFap / semen retention and not had the same effect.

So my question is, from a pureley Aneros / prostate massage point of view:
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  • can prostate massage be responsible for this wet dream, as opposed to purely not masturbating/orgasming for 30 days?
  • or is it a mix of factors and I definitely did cause this wet dream myself (not out of my control) and I need to reset the counter and will now feel crappy for the next 1-2 weeks while my body hormones sort themselves out?

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    Wolf, its a mix of factors, but you do not need to reset the counter. As for hormones, that will vary based on the individual but taking a positive spin on this great news will help. While sleeping with the aneros in may have poked you in the right direction 30 days of no ejaculation would in many cases be sufficient on its own to cause a wet dream. Just as using Aneros for pleasure involves a rewiring - trying to get wet dreams going after many years of not having them requires a rewiring too. After a while, you may very well be able to enjoy wet dreams without needing a poke in your sleep. Once the rewiring is done, an adult may have the kind of frequency he would have enjoyed as a teenager.

    Now about NoFap and nofap folks. Some No Fap folks are rather extreme, hardline.

    I'm on the wetdream forum - you might want to join as you will get some good support and encouragement from there. Also, I'm going to reach out and send you a PM.

    And, by the way: Congratulations! well done!


       
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    Hi thanks for replying 🙂

    Just to be clear, I wasn't aiming to get a wet dream 🙂 It wasn't my intention, but I was aware that when doing the NoFap, it would happen sometimes.

    My question is related to whether or not I have "cheated" by using the Aneros. If I had watched porn and masturbated, then I would have relapsed and would need to reset my counter and try again. The question is, does using the Aneros and getting a wet dream equate to the same failure. Normally, wet dreams are ok on NoFap, since you have no control over them - you do not make them conciously happen so that you get off on them... they just happen because your body automatically needs to release some of the built-up semen.

    That I used the Aneros is a bit questionable - it suggests I had the intention of self-pleasure, which would have been contrary to what the NoFap rebooting is intended to achieve. I've used the Aneros a number of times in the past 30 days and didn't have this wet dream, so that's another point of conflict - does this simply mean that Aneros use was inconsequential and that what really mattered was that too much semen was built up and the body needed to auto-flush some of it. If so, then this is ok. If it's because I was "masturbating" with the Aneros, then that's not so good.

    I get what you are saying about some of the NoFap guys... they are a bit too extreme. My primary concern and the reason why I joined it was due to porn addiction and that I was getting Porn Induced Erectily Dysfunction. So therefore technically masturbation would be ok (but that could just be my porn-dopamine starved brain trying to trick me into justifying why last night is fine and ok).

    However I'm also noticing people posting on there about getting good results in social interactions, less anxiety, better pheromones, better attraction from others, better concentration etc. So I also want this.. and it might be that I need to not masturbate at all to achieve it.


       
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    @lonewolf8
    I don't really know anything about the NoFap movement or its guidelines, but as a man I'd like to know
    How did the orgasm in your dream feel?? What was the subject matter?
    I am 47 and have not had a wet dream for 30 years. I sorely miss them and would like to live vicariously through you and your wonderful experience.


       
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    My question is related to whether or not I have "cheated" by using the Aneros. If I had watched porn and masturbated, then I would have relapsed and would need to reset my counter and try again. The question is, does using the Aneros and getting a wet dream equate to the same failure. Normally, wet dreams are ok on NoFap, since you have no control over them - you do not make them conciously happen so that you get off on them... they just happen because your body automatically needs to release some of the built-up semen.

    I'm in agreement here with what @wetdream63 said, additionally you have already identified the salient facts that 1.) You have no control over the occurrence of wet dreams. & 2.) Your body automatically triggers these releases. I would also argue the use of your Aneros massager for prostate health reasons does not violate the spirit of the NoFap practice, regardless of the pleasurable effects it may have. IMHO, whether your Aneros contributed to triggering a nighttime emission is really a moot point.
    Good Vibes to You !


       
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    @lonewolf8
    I don't really know anything about the NoFap movement or its guidelines, but as a man I'd like to know
    How did the orgasm in your dream feel?? What was the subject matter?
    I am 47 and have not had a wet dream for 30 years. I sorely miss them and would like to live vicariously through you and your wonderful experience.

    I can't even remember the dream. Not even sure i had one. I just remember waking up suddently mid-orgasm and thinking "WTF lol" and then getting up to do all the cleanup. Totally unexpected. It felt... different to the usual jacking off orgasm... maybe because it was 30 days, or maybe just different type of orgasm.
    Odd that today as I was driving, I did feel a bit of the blue balls / full balls feeling, like i still had lots to excrete. Hmm.

    I do think that semen retention probably triggers them, so you could try that if you wanted to experience them.

    In reality, this is all new to me. I had tried in 2016 or 2017 to do the 21 Day Challenge, and couldnt get past about 12 days. Before that, could never get past about 7 days. So doing 30 days etc is completely new to me.


       
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    @lonewolf8
    Thanks, man. Sounds like your body was doing some routine maintenance. For SURE you were not violating the No-Fap rules. Aneros use doesn't even play into an ejaculatory orgasm (most of the time). It is clear your body needed to make room for new fluid and you just were the beneficiary of that wonderful expulsion of cum.
    I went 21-days once, but I was careless and spent so much time on this site, having arousing orgasm conversations with forum members, that my balls hurt so bad at the 21 day mark ( I was going for more) that I needed relief. It was an awesome jetting of semen so I am NOT SORRY!!! But next time I go for a long hiatus from ejaculating I will show more respect.

    Thank you for sharing, that is still really cool!!


       
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    @lonewolf8 A big event! Congratulations! I have been "longing" for a wet dream for months now with my practice of SR. Like [USER="57195"]RoJackSYN[/USER], I only remember having them in my early teens. Unfortunately, the "blue-balls" are a real show-stopper for me. I'm curious now.....when will your next WD be? Be sure to let us know!


       
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    The NoFap community is practically a religion. They have all these weird rules you're supposed to follow and most of it is woo nonsense. They are also very sex negative from what I've seen. Very anti-porn as well. I do think that there are some benefits from semen retention, but these dudes take it way too far. They have seen their masturbation/porn habits as a problem, but instead of simply cutting back they go full force in the equal and opposite direction.

    lonewolf8 I don't think you should worry about adhering to their doctrine. Do what's right for you. Them giving a shit about you having prostate orgasms isn't consistent with the rest of their ideology. They believe that the hormone release caused by ejaculation is bad, but there's no reason the orgasm itself should be unless you're some religious person that thinks it's against god or whatever. I honestly think they're just jealous you found a loophole, lol.

    I am 47 and have not had a wet dream for 30 years.

    I'm 22 and I've never had one. Though I do remember having spontaneous orgasms a couple times when I was a little kid. One time in 3rd or 4th grade it happened when I was climbing a rope in gym class. I think it was possibly the strongest penile orgasm I've ever had.


       
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    The NoFap community is practically a religion. They have all these weird rules you're supposed to follow and most of it is woo nonsense. They are also very sex negative from what I've seen. Very anti-porn as well. I do think that there are some benefits from semen retention, but these dudes take it way too far. They have seen their masturbation/porn habits as a problem, but instead of simply cutting back they go full force in the equal and opposite direction.

    @lonewolf8 I don't think you should worry about adhering to their doctrine. Do what's right for you. Them giving a shit about you having prostate orgasms isn't consistent with the rest of their ideology. They believe that the hormone release caused by ejaculation is bad, but there's no reason the orgasm itself should be unless you're some religious person that thinks it's against god or whatever. I honestly think they're just jealous you found a loophole, lol.

    I am 47 and have not had a wet dream for 30 years.

    I'm 22 and I've never had one.


       
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    @buryniceusername
    Yes, I do agree that many in the NoFap communtiy take it too far.
    There are very few official rules anyway, but some do take what worked for them and try to turn those into rules. Things like cold showers. Tbh, i tried the cold shower thing and adapted it to my needs and it wasnt really that bad. But I dont do it, been too lazy.
    Porn is definitely a problem for me though. I think most of the people on that board have a problem and are trying to fix the situation. It's not quite the same as men that on occasion watch porn but dont take it too far as an addiction - we are talking similar to alcohol addiction - those of us that can have a few drinks on occasion with friends are ok, those of us that drink all evening and night every day of the week... have a problem.

    Yes, their doctrine is sometimes too harsh. I think it's not a bad thing to learn self control. So I am not treating my HFWO as a relapse, I've not reset my counter, and I am plowing on and continuing. I have not watched porn, and I never will. I've realised it's not important for my life anymore. I am not religious. I also don't really care about them saying nasty things to me - my post was about me getting some balanced advice. I got the advice. I am now making my own mind up, like a real man now. Which wouldn't have been possible when I was on porn.

    Regarding hormone release after ejaculation, there is a bunch of hormone changes that occur after ejaculation that tend to make people grumpy / depressed / de-motivated / angry / widthdrawn. It's also mentioned in the 21 Day Challenge tantric thing that is posted on the Aneros forum from time to time. http://21daychallenge.com/?page_id=221


       
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    So I binged on porn for 8 days at the start of the month and I'm now on 9 consecuitive days free from porn... and last night I wake up with a stiffie and feeling like I am having a wet orgasm (maybe partially in a dream, but dont remember the dream).
    I think... oh no! Now i have to clean up etc.

    Then I touch my underwear and it's all dry. WTF!
    I went to the toilet and didnt see any sign of retrograde ejaculation either.

    First ever dry "wet" dream? A Dry Dream?? 😀
    Anyone else had this before??

    Edit: I have not used Aneros or any toy last night. Not used Aneros toys for about 8 days.


       
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