A method of avoiding/mitigating the refractory period without feeling pent up

Very helpful. I think with practice there will open up more space just before the PONR to make this easier. Also if you really relax into it very near the PONR you can experience dry Os. I have sometimes and I think with practice this will become reliable, relieve pressure and still retain those amazing sexual feelings. 

This was exciting this morning.

Masturbated to just about the PONR. Didn't go over the edge but oozed out probably a half teaspoon of cum. Went about my morning but I was left with this sense of needing full release, the BIG traditional orgasm.

Two hours later I did the same. Now I'm REALLY wanting the big one.

Usually after a regular orgasm and ejaculation it takes a good day to start getting aroused again. I'm getting really revved up after three to four days. 

This is a whole different experience! Wish I had time to research this more today! Took some serious control and focus. The temptation to go past the PONR was really tempting!

Great stuff. Apparently you can approach PONR back off, go do something else and then come back and masturbate. It’s easier to approach the point and you feel kind of like peeing and your semen pours out this time. No refractory period and no hangover or at least very reduced. 

@newjoytoy I started out with rubbing my prostate with a finger while masturbating and got that result where you let some semen out without really going over the edge, but then I just went for the wet orgasm and later thought "I wonder if that could be used like prostate milking..." and it pretty much is prostate milking. I tried this again a few times with limited success. Later I heard of this term "ruined orgasm" from Simplepenguin, and that seems an easier method that goes just over the edge but mitigates most the refractory period. I decided to research that term and, although I'm not sold on the name of it, it seemed worth experimenting with. So I experimented with that for a few weeks and now I'm much more prone to getting p-waves.

So this is pretty much a form of prostate milking with a fallback plan of ruined orgasm to mitigate if the refractory period if unsuccessful at complete avoidance.

I got a third one out yesterday about another two hours after the last one.

Like I said in my previous post, it takes a good day to start getting back to even a small level of arousal after a traditional orgasm. Penis, prostate, nipples, everything just dies back.

Even after three of these yesterday EVERYTHING stayed just as sensitive as it was before if not more so for at least a few hours. 

Spent time this morning having five nipple orgasms. Would not have happened if I'd had a TO yesterday. This mornings nipple O's actually felt better than usual.

I always thought it was loss of semen that killed off my sex drive. Seems there are other factors at play.

Need more experimentation with this.

@newjoytoy I think fluid pressure from semen has something to do with it, but a lot more has to do with hormones, and traditional orgasm puts a damper on everything for most people.

OP, do you have an Aneros in while practicing this edging'/ruined orgasm method?

I am trying to perfect plan A as you call it and have a problem with involuntary clenching at the last second as semen is flowing out and triggering several contractions leading to a full ejaculation/orgasm. 

Anyone have any suggestions for avoiding the contractions and only allowing the semen to flow out?

@busdrvr

Practice and timing. It's hard to do at first because you clench to prevent ejaculation, maybe you did it your whole life, I know I did, and most of the times you come anyway, right ?  So do the reverse thing, push, but not too hard, and if it's timed correctly it should work.

Jspad @aneros_user88299 really touched on something when he talks about stimulating only the base. I believe that a lot of what we do with the whole prostate orgasm / Super-O / MMO is hijacking or short circuiting some natural body reflexes. Masturbating imitates penetration, so when you're stroking your body expects stimulation of the whole penis because, well, the head goes first. By stroking or squeezing just the base, something is not quite right, things get mixed up in your brain and you get just some of the orgasmic reflexes but not all. Just one of my theories, take it with the whole salt shaker. So it's not a ruined orgasm, it's a partial orgasm... 

Posted by: @zentai

@busdrvr

Practice and timing. It's hard to do at first because you clench to prevent ejaculation, maybe you did it your whole life, I know I did, and most of the times you come anyway, right ?  So do the reverse thing, push, but not too hard, and if it's timed correctly it should work.

Jspad @aneros_user88299 really touched on something when he talks about stimulating only the base. I believe that a lot of what we do with the whole prostate orgasm / Super-O / MMO is hijacking or short circuiting some natural body reflexes. Masturbating imitates penetration, so when you're stroking your body expects stimulation of the whole penis because, well, the head goes first. By stroking or squeezing just the base, something is not quite right, things get mixed up in your brain and you get just some of the orgasmic reflexes but not all. Just one of my theories, take it with the whole salt shaker. So it's not a ruined orgasm, it's a partial orgasm... 

 

Try further down. The perineal "hollow" is basically the Golden Triangle. Spend a few weeks sitting on a tennis ball, to the point where you forget its there. Then the next time you masturbate, use your fingertips to rub around in a circle on the guiche. Eventually you get to the point where rubbing on that spot alone works for you. It's what you said, your body expects a certain thing. It's time to retrain that Pavlovian response.

I did that for years before I started using Aneros toys and butt toys in general. If you keep practicing and keep trying to relax to stop the orgasm (relax some muscles while holding tension in others, but not clenching) even after the PONR you will eventually get to a point where you can kind of 'push' cum out like piss, while still masturbating, but not actually orgasm. It takes a lot of discipline and muscle control, but the pleasure level is way beyond orgasm. It's basically a penis based Super-O. And yeah, you'll still be horny as hell, but the need to cum will be gone.

There is a level beyond cumming without orgasm. Once your tanks are empty, orgasm will be on a hair trigger. But if you can keep going without triggering orgasm, you'll be pushing so hard that you'll start pissing. I've done it right after I just went to the bathroom, and a lot came out. It doesn't smell or look like urine so I think it's the male version of squirting. Either way, towels are necessary. 

Boy, it's been a while since I visited the forum. Interesting to see one of my topics still seeing some traffic.

@busdrvr I don't have the aneros in while trying to relax through contractions, I think having it in can probably mess with that. But then again I suppose it'd be best to experiment to see what works best for you.

I've actually been playing around with just doing a strong kegal lately. I can typically prevent most of the ejaculate from escaping, but not all. This usually kills my erection temporarily but I'll get the urge to masturbate a bit later, perhaps half an hour after the act. I'm thinking of getting back to aneros sessions again, and might mess with this as a means of retaining arousal. Perhaps I'll try squeezing to keep most of it in at one point, and go for the relaxation method later to let a bit out.

Come to think about it, I think that the strong kegal method can sometimes cause some sensations in the prostate afterwards. Maybe because bearing down on your load puts pressure on your prostate? Or maybe it has more to do with wanting release. I know that afterwards I can get that stronger than normal desire to masturbate.

Today I managed to completely hold back using the kegal method. Only had a couple of stifled contractions, and even after I relaxed only a bit of precum came out and the tissue was otherwise dry.

I got the feeling at some point it might help to pull my pelvis back. I think that tilting it back or even arching the whole back somewhat and bracing your back/core might help in some way, but I'm not entirely sure. For all I know might have more to do with sitting on the edge of my chair putting some pressure on the right spot.

Anyway, thought I might mention this to see if anyone else wants to experiment with it and see if it works for them.

I have found a really good way of having dry orgasms. What I do is a direct a sexual energy to one part of my body, say my thighs. Then I masturbate until just about at the point of no return, and just stop and relax, and generally will go over the edge but have a dry orgasm.

It’s really quite amazing because it feels like I might be ejaculating but I am not. And I have zero refractory period and just as interested in sex afterwards. 

it’s a combination of sending the sexual energy to another part of the body, and then relaxing just at the point of no return. Wonderful stuff and it is getting easier each time.

@simplepenguin

After years on this site with little rewiring due to prostate toys,  I read two books which changed my life.  That information along what I had learned from reading posts about the rewiring from you guys, changed my approach to edging.  At present, I feel that I am somewhat rewired because I have had prostate orgasms and even a ALESS super O according to a friend here telling me that's what I had.  The super O came with nipple play alone and relaxing.  A wave ran across my whole body and I felt like I had gone over the edge of a cliff.  My mistake was to flinch emotionally, physically and mentally instead of relaxing into those feelings and that halted the Super O short of falling into it and letting it take me over.  For an hour after that experience, my dick leaked precum and was so sensitive.

My solo work was changed by reading the books LOVE SATISFIES by keepitupjohnson and INSTANT ORGASM, by Greg and Vera Bodansky.  Both books are on Amazon.

For me, I use nipple play with glans play to back myself into  and to build up to the PONR.  Tweaking my right nipple instantly connects me to my prostate and glans very pleasurably with orgasmic feelings.  I pull my foreskin behind my gland and masssage that rolled up foreskin, the coronal ridge and my frenulum.  This creates a steady arousal of my dickhead and prostate that builds and builds in orgasmic intensity as I relax and enjoy the orgasmic feelings that sometimes make me moan and vocalize because the orgasmic feelings are so intense and pleasurable.

I will grow hard sometimes fast, sometime slowly because this solo play is all about feelings and igniting the prostate and not about erections.  When I get to the PONR, I stop and let the orgasmic feelings pass for a minute or so.  On my second or third time up to the PONR, the feelings and pleasuee are intensified and my dick is on fire usually.  When I get to the PONR, I slow down and stroke lightly and softly while mentally moving the sexual energy and orgasmic feelings to my legs which are somewhat electrified as we men feel in a good robust orgasm. I try to pull the energy in waves and electric orgasmic feelings all over my body. 

Just a couple of days ago, I had a total body electric prostate orgasm where my body orgasmed and writhed in ecstacy but I did not ejaculate or invoke the refractory period. Some semen came out, but it was not a full blown ejaculation.  I could continue my dick play being horny later in the day.

I would think that what I had was a super O prostate orgasm.  I really dont know but it was total body, electric, and very pleasurable.

I now feel ready to restart aneros play using the techniques I employed in this solo play which was much more about experiencing pleasure total body.

Any comment for me from anyone who has had prostate orgasm solo and with an aneros toy?  What am I mistaken in assuming that I can take what I have learned solo and put this to work relaxing with the aneros for a super O with the aneros toy?

Thanks men.

Posted by: @turnrow

@simplepenguin

After years on this site with little rewiring due to prostate toys,  I read two books which changed my life.  That information along what I had learned from reading posts about the rewiring from you guys, changed my approach to edging.  At present, I feel that I am somewhat rewired because I have had prostate orgasms and even a ALESS super O according to a friend here telling me that's what I had.  The super O came with nipple play alone and relaxing.  A wave ran across my whole body and I felt like I had gone over the edge of a cliff.  My mistake was to flinch emotionally, physically and mentally instead of relaxing into those feelings and that halted the Super O short of falling into it and letting it take me over.  For an hour after that experience, my dick leaked precum and was so sensitive.

My solo work was changed by reading the books LOVE SATISFIES by keepitupjohnson and INSTANT ORGASM, by Greg and Vera Bodansky.  Both books are on Amazon.

For me, I use nipple play with glans play to back myself into  and to build up to the PONR.  Tweaking my right nipple instantly connects me to my prostate and glans very pleasurably with orgasmic feelings.  I pull my foreskin behind my gland and masssage that rolled up foreskin, the coronal ridge and my frenulum.  This creates a steady arousal of my dickhead and prostate that builds and builds in orgasmic intensity as I relax and enjoy the orgasmic feelings that sometimes make me moan and vocalize because the orgasmic feelings are so intense and pleasurable.

I will grow hard sometimes fast, sometime slowly because this solo play is all about feelings and igniting the prostate and not about erections.  When I get to the PONR, I stop and let the orgasmic feelings pass for a minute or so.  On my second or third time up to the PONR, the feelings and pleasuee are intensified and my dick is on fire usually.  When I get to the PONR, I slow down and stroke lightly and softly while mentally moving the sexual energy and orgasmic feelings to my legs which are somewhat electrified as we men feel in a good robust orgasm. I try to pull the energy in waves and electric orgasmic feelings all over my body. 

Just a couple of days ago, I had a total body electric prostate orgasm where my body orgasmed and writhed in ecstacy but I did not ejaculate or invoke the refractory period. Some semen came out, but it was not a full blown ejaculation.  I could continue my dick play being horny later in the day.

I would think that what I had was a super O prostate orgasm.  I really dont know but it was total body, electric, and very pleasurable.

I now feel ready to restart aneros play using the techniques I employed in this solo play which was much more about experiencing pleasure total body.

Any comment for me from anyone who has had prostate orgasm solo and with an aneros toy?  What am I mistaken in assuming that I can take what I have learned solo and put this to work relaxing with the aneros for a super O with the aneros toy?

Thanks men.

I am bumping this thread with my post of a couple of weeks ago and asking you guys who love to edge with prostate stimulation to respond to my above post.

Thanks men, and happy orgasmic pleasure to all you men who want more out of body responses to orgasmic pleasure other than the old point and shoot of regular masturbation.

Turnrow

@turnrow

Short answer is that everything is connected and the progress you made with Aless will surely translate to better results with the Aneros.

Long answer is that I personality separate Aless sessions and Aneros sessions as I feel that they are completely different activities with different challenges and benefits, and sometimes I'm stuck on one front and making progress on the other.

What will help you a lot is that by separating orgasm and ejaculation while masturbating, it will be a lot easier to just let go during an Aneros session. I think a lot of us are worried about an HFWO ending the session and tense at the wrong time, which ironically stops the Super-O. The truth is that you can ejaculate and just keep going if everything is firing on all cylinders. 

I experience what you described and can have 3 or 4 partial ejaculations in a row, each of them feeling like a complete penile orgasm, which is very intense and satisfying. Sometimes I'll go for that instead of an Aneros session because it's quicker and I can finish by stroking in complete abandon with no fear of ejaculating too soon since I'm already satisfied. But getting better at this didn't truly impact my Aneros results after a certain point as it's still very centered on the penis. 

Thanks @Zentai for the time you took to analyze my MMO penis pleasure and give me what I feel is the rational outline of PENIS/PROSTATE pleasure versus ALESS pleasure versus ANEROS orgasmic joy in all of these areas.

I am eager to get back into aneros play after several years of not having the time and privacy to pursue the preparation and time outlay involved in achieving success with the aneros.  I am developing an upstairs man cave for myself in our home and hope to get back into aneros play.

I applaud you on your posts and helping other men get to where you are.  You always have an analytical and practical answer to most men's questions.  I know this takes your time and your time is appreciated along with the other men on this website who share so openly and detailed in how they achieved rewiring.

@turnrow

Thanks man, I do spend more time on some answers than I'd like to admit... what's getting harder is keeping everything consistent, as I find that some people need very different answers to the same question. I'd like to be able to put all my posts together and say : yes, this works as a whole and there are no contradictions... 

I'm very humbled by the depth of other contributor's answers and still think that I'm getting more out of the forum than what I'm putting in, if that makes sense. 

Having a special room just for sessions and relaxation is a great idea and I'm sure it will bring you some wonderful moments. Good luck with you project and Aneros progress !