A little frustrated

I first got the helix classic about two years ago, and then later I got the progasm. I have had some success with them but never the super O. I think there were two times that I felt like I might break through, but I didn't. Whenever I use it I seem to have very pleasant sensations for about 15 minutes or so with some involuntary movements. But then after 15 minutes the involuntary movements and most of the sensations stop. I can't get back to that place within that session. It seems like my progress has stalled. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if there is something I haven't tried yet that might help. I also thought maybe a different massager would work better for me.

I was wondering about something last night. If I abstained from ejaculating for a long time -a month for example- could that help me to achieve the super O?

@Mercury your feeling of frustration is shared by many members on this forum and as I felt in my early days of rewiring. This condition is usually driven by expectations especially at the beginning. Every sensations and twitches are instantly analysed and hope sets in that this might be the grandiose moment but it never is.

I've learned the hard way not to expect anything except enjoying whatever feeling my body yields me during a session. As I said before, when I buy a lottery ticket, do I really expect to win the jackpot? If I win a few bucks here and there (rarely covering my cost of tickets) it puts a smile on my face.

You need to learn to just enjoy whatever sensation you get and think about the fact you did not experience them before the start of your journey. Soon, you will appreciate what you have and not miss what you don't. I've been at this since Jan 19, 2016 and currently enjoy GREAT sessions even if I'm not part of the Super-O club. To be honest, I'm fine if it takes another several years to graduate to the elite club.

Good luck and good vibes to you!

@Mercury your feeling of frustration is shared by many members on this forum and as I felt in my early days of rewiring. This condition is usually driven by expectations especially at the beginning. Every sensations and twitches are instantly analysed and hope sets in that this might be the grandiose moment but it never is.

I've learned the hard way not to expect anything except enjoying whatever feeling my body yields me during a session. As I said before, when I buy a lottery ticket, do I really expect to win the jackpot? If I win a few bucks here and there (rarely covering my cost of tickets) it puts a smile on my face.

You need to learn to just enjoy whatever sensation you get and think about the fact you did not experience them before the start of your journey. Soon, you will appreciate what you have and not miss what you don't. I've been at this since Jan 19, 2016 and currently enjoy GREAT sessions even if I'm not part of the Super-O club. To be honest, I'm fine if it takes another several years to graduate to the elite club.

Good luck and good vibes to you!

It seems like my progress has stalled. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if there is something I haven't tried yet that might help. I also thought maybe a different massager would work better for me.

First, I agree with @GGringo 's wise words. You are probably not doing anything 'wrong' per se but you may not be optimizing your chances for orgasming either. May I suggest you read the thread Identifying Facilitators to Progress, you may find some helpful tips there. While a different massager will give you a slightly different effect, 90%+ of the Aneros journey is a mental exercise, that's probably where you should concentrate your energy, tuning your mental approach.

I was wondering about something last night. If I abstained from ejaculating for a long time -a month for example- could that help me to achieve the super O?

Perhaps, many men have found some form of seminal retention helpful in their journey, please see the thread Aneros, Arousal & Abstinence/Semen Retention
Good Vibes to You !

@Mercury

Here is a phrase I often repeat to myself when I am trying to 'pull' things along to greater pleasure, and not enjoying the moment of pleasure that I am in:

At the first sign of pleasure at any level, I say to myself silently: 'If this is all the pleasure I get from this session, I am greatly satisfied and very thankful'

If I truly believe that, and truly could stop the session and clean myself up at that point, the pleasure usually GROWS. I repeat that phrase, and the pleasure grows some more. I keep going until my body gives me the pleasure it wants to give me, then I indeed clean up and am highly satisfied and thankful.

The trick is, you really have to believe you are satisfied and grateful. You cannot fool your own mind, so it will know if you are just trying to trick it into better orgasms

@Mercury I feel your frustration, been feeling it for 4 years. You just get used to it.
Semen retention / going without orgasming might make your penis feel wonderful when playing with it, but I'm doubtful it has much of an effect on prostate - however it's not to say that we shouldn't try. It might help with the rewiring process.

Sometimes, stepping away for a several days can help. Anytime you think "I can't get back to that place within that session. It seems like my progress has stalled. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if there is something I haven't tried yet that might help. I also thought maybe a different massager would work better for me." it is a good indicator that you might be getting a bit pre-occupied / obsessed with trying to make it work - which will probably make it harder to reach an orgasm.

Step back for a few days, dont do any anal play, and then come back to it. It might help.

When you hear from @rumel, you have the definitive word as far as I can tell. I think I can offer some two observations that may not be helpful in the short-term but may presage a better tomorrow.

First, do the " some successes" you experience constitute an improvement upon the feelings of engagement/disengagement with your sexual self that you experienced prior to your commitment to the Aneros journey? I can't speak with any authority on a broad range of issues you bring to the fore, but that nearly anything is is better than losing touch with your sexual self. Sounds like you are in touch. Revel in your successes.

Second, a well-to-do, sedentary lifestyle makes us weak, not only in our skeletal muscles, ligaments and tendons but in the impressive array of structures that compose the pelvic floor. That's why Kegels play so prominently in these Forum pages since most of us do not lift heavy things or do manual labor. "Get strong!" is the message our bodies are sending us. Would you prefer to work out with the Aneros device of your choice inserted or not?

First, I agree with @GGringo 's wise words. You are probably not doing anything 'wrong' per se but you may not be optimizing your chances for orgasming either. May I suggest you read the thread Identifying Facilitators to Progress, you may find some helpful tips there. While a different massager will give you a slightly different effect, 90%+ of the Aneros journey is a mental exercise, that's probably where you should concentrate your energy, tuning your mental approach.Perhaps, many men have found some form of seminal retention helpful in their journey, please see the thread Aneros, Arousal & Abstinence/Semen Retention
Good Vibes to You !

When I think about it I do feel more in tune with my sexual self. For example, I can better control when I ejaculate. I feel like I know better about what's going on down there. I never thought about working out with the aneros in. It might be worth a try.

@rumel Relaxation seems to be difficult for me in general. I think that might be a big part of the reason I have stalled. I think I will try abstinence and see if that makes a difference.

@lonewolf8 I normally don't use the aneros more than once a week. I read something here a just now that resonated with me, that I need to work on relaxing. I don't think I have ever been able to completely relax during a session. I might try listening to classical music or something like that.

I have an update. Last night around 1 am I decided to try a session with my helix classic. I was a little tired, and I didn't expect much of anything to happen. I followed some of the advice in the previous comments and on some other threads. I spent about 10 minutes just laying there with it inside me doing nothing but breathing and quieting my mind. I kept saying to myself, "I have no expectations. I will value and appreciate whatever experience I may have." One thing I did differently was try to focus intensely on the helix as it moved. I intensely paid attention to every little sensation as the helix moved. I noticed things that I never noticed before. This intense focus seemed to magnify the sensations I felt.

What happened next is so difficult to describe. I don't have a point of reference. I contracted my sphincter then my PC muscles. I could feel the tip of it touch my prostate, I focused on that feeling, and it grew larger. The feeling I experienced is difficult to describe. When I think back, it is difficult for me to remember how it felt. It seems that something about the experience messed with my memory. When the tip touched my prostate my dick became erect very quickly. My heart started beating faster, and my ears started ringing. I felt this sensation of pleasure that I have never had before. I remember my body felt fuzzy inside and out like velvet. This feeling lasted for several seconds. I think I might have said, "oh fuck yes!" My session got interrupted, and I had to get up and go do something. As I walked to the bathroom, my whole body was shaking uncontrollably. It was a little difficult to wash my hands because they were trembling so much. I got back into bed and tried again, but I couldn't get it back. I was grateful for the progress I did have.

I don't know if this was a big O. I do know that it's more progress than I have made in quite a while. It was a breakthrough for me. It has encouraged me to continue. I'm a little concerned that my success might raise my expectations, which I have learned tends to kill the big O. I'm more aware of it, so hopefully I can go into my next session with an open, accepting, appreciative attitude.

What is the opinion of the forum members about doing sessions on consecutive days? Is it better to wait some between sessions? I'm assuming the answer will be different for each person.

I forgot to mention that during my session after the helix, I decided to try my progasm to see what it felt like compared to the helix. I like the feeling of fullness, but for the first time I really noticed how it compared to the helix. It was more difficult for me to move it. My body seems to respond more to something smaller and more mobile. This was a very useful piece of information. I have thought about trying the Eupho Trident. I think maybe something less aggressive like that might work well for me.

Sounds like good progress! Well done!
Interesting about your note about the Progasm - I have it and I too feel that it's harder to move it.

(daymn... i feel left-out as always 🙁 )

Hey @Mercury : To quote your previous post :

" What happened next is so difficult to describe. I don't have a point of reference. I contracted my sphincter then my PC muscles. I could feel the tip of it touch my prostate, I focused on that feeling, and it grew larger. The feeling I experienced is difficult to describe. When I think back, it is difficult for me to remember how it felt. It seems that something about the experience messed with my memory. When the tip touched my prostate my dick became erect very quickly. My heart started beating faster, and my ears started ringing. I felt this sensation of pleasure that I have never had before. I remember my body felt fuzzy inside and out like velvet. This feeling lasted for several seconds. I think I might have said, "oh fuck yes!" My session got interrupted, and I had to get up and go do something."

You have experienced your first powerful prostate orgasm. Congratulations!!! If you continue to utilize and practice with the Aneros devices you will learn to experience these sensations on a deeper and more intense level as you practice. Learn to take a day or two off between sessions to allow your body to recharge, you will learn that if you leave a few days between sessions, the intensity should grow between sessions more so than overdoing sessions every day or more. Practice kegel exercises daily as this will strengthen your pelvic floor muscles and allow you to experience the sensations at the fullest levels. The full development of the pelvic muscles will allow your body to move the Aneros on it's own in involuntary motions that will amaze you!! And, as you have noticed, the smaller models of Aneros are able to move more easily compared to the larger models. I have also found the smaller models to be more beneficial to the journey due to the increased mobility. Enjoy the journey and keep us posted on your progress..!!

@Mercury About that warm fuzzy feeling with an erection and accelerated heart rate...

Congrats!! When i started using aneros massagers, I had nothing impressive for maybe 5-6 sessions. Then I got what you described. It lasted anywhere from 30 seconds to a couple minutes. It was really exciting but then also frustrating as it stopped as soon as it started and didn't happen again for several sessions. So if it doesn't come back in the next session or even for a month or 6 months or longer, don't panic! Every session (and person) is different.

Since then I have developed my abilities to have all sorts of orgasms through all sorts of stimulation. Now I know that that is a sensation I get regularly in sessions but it isn't an orgasm for me(as it may be for @Ananewb-Wow ), it is more sort of a state of being that is wonderful. But we are all different and we all interpret our physiological reactions differently.

@Mercury You say "My session got interrupted, and I had to get up and go do something." I HIGHLY recommend having no distractions. Like, none at all. Cut your phone line. Do it at a time when no one will bother you. When pets are sleeping and family is out. Especially in the beginning. I had some of my first exciting sessions stopped short because I was making noises and I had the sudden thought of "maybe I left the front door open" or "the window is open and my neighbors can hear me". Just a suggestion. Good luck with your progress!!!

@Ananewb-Wow

Thanks. I'm surprised anything happened. It was late, and I was tired. I wasn't even all that aroused before I started. I just had this feeling that it was a good time to try. I have been practicing Kegel exercises throughout the day.

I did another session today. I think waiting a few days between sessions is probably a good idea. I felt like I just didn't have the energy, like maybe the orgasm I had drained some of my energy. I did have some interesting sensations though. I felt like I was going somewhere, but it stopped. I contracted my muscles, and it felt like they were vibrating. That was new and really interesting. The fact that I was able to get close to another big O is wonderful to me. I feel like I'm finally getting into a grove. I feel like I know much better what my body responds to. It seems like I'm more likely to have the big O if I'm a little bit hungry. Today I had a session not too long after eating, and I think that had a detrimental effect.

I have been abstaining from ejaculation. It's been about two weeks so far. I don't think it's a coincidence that I made so much progress after abstaining. I'm definitely more aroused more often, which I have read is important. I'm gay, and my boyfriend doesn't think I can last a month. Now I partly want to do it just to prove him wrong. 😀 I haven't seen him since I started abstaining. I have thought about involving him in what I'm doing. Maybe he could touch me in ways that I like while I have my helix inserted. I think maybe my experience has made me more sexually confident. The other day I texted him, and I told him that the next time I saw him I wanted him to fuck me as hard as he wanted as much as he wanted.

I definitely want to try the Eupho. For a while I thought bigger was better, but for me that doesn't seem to be the case.

My general mood has improved. I feel invincible in a strange way. Weird.

It looks like this thread is turning into a kind of diary. That wasn't my intention, but maybe someone out there finds it useful or interesting.

So I know many people recommend taking a break in between sessions, and that's what I intended to do. However, last night I couldn't resist giving it another go. Maybe a part of me was starting to wonder if my earlier success was just a fluke or a one time thing. I started with my helix. I tried new things in that session. I concentrated as hard as I could, and I imagined my muscles contracting rapidly and the helix moving rapidly back and forth. I also recalled the way it felt in my previous session and concentrated on that memory. Do you know what happened? My muscles and the helix started doing exactly what I imagined. I could feel the rapid contractions. It felt like my whole abdomen was vibrating. The vibrations alone were exciting and arousing. My mind and body were synced up in a way I had never experienced. My mind was clearer, less distracted. I felt like I finally had some degree of control over the whole thing, although I know it will never be complete control. Your body will do what it wants. All you can do is gently coax it.

I did all that for a while. It was a wonderful experience, but no orgasm. I decided to try my progasm. As always I loved that feeling of fullness. I wasn't expecting anything to happen. I did the same thing with it that I did with my helix: intensely focus on the way it felt and the way it moved. I guess it took me a little while for my body to get used to it, because it feels very different from the helix. I don't know what it was, but something clicked. The tip went in on my prostate, and I immediately knew I was in for a wild ride. I focused on my prostate and the feeling magnified. I would call my experience a super O, although since I'm new to this experience there is probably something above and beyond it that I don't know about. The experience I had was very similar to the one I had with the helix, but not exactly. I started playing with my nipples, which seems to help me a lot. It felt like my prostate swelled up and got warm. This warm fuzzy sensation spread through my body. My heart raced. My breathing intensified. My muscles vibrated beyond my control. My mind and body were one. For the first time I really surrendered to the experienced and let myself be carried away. I have learned that an attitude of surrender is important. It was absolutely glorious to not be in control!

After the first orgasm I thought it was all over. I relaxed my body for a few seconds. I could still feel this warm feeling inside myself. I contracted just a little, but then without my complete control the progasm was pulled in. It hit my prostate and it started again. I did this several more times: it would be pulled in, I would relax for a while, then it would be pulled in again. I don't think all of them would count as orgasms, but I appreciated the sensations nonetheless. This was the first session ever where I experienced multiple orgasms. This was another big step for me. I started the session at about 1:30 AM and I stopped it at 4 AM. As I sit here remembering the experience and writing about it, I'm very aroused and looking forward to the next session.

This session was surprising to me in many ways. For one, I didn't think the progasm would take me to an orgasm. I thought that smaller was the way to go, and I probably will get the eupho trident or helix syn trident later. However, it's good to know I can have fun with the progasm too. I think it's worth exploring further. I have been doing Kegels for a while. Maybe it worked because I have more muscle tone and control than I used to have.

I should be giving updates in the future.

Well something interesting happened today. I was laying down in bed watching porn. I didn't have my massager in. I had no intention of jerking off, and I didn't. As I was watching I started doing everything I would do during a session, except I didn't have the Aneros. I concentrated and tried to think about what my progasm felt like when I had it in. I started having the sensations that I have when it's in. I could feel the vibration of my muscles. I could feel sensations from my prostate, although they were not as strong as when I use a massager. I think I had a mini O. It's fascinating to me that I could have pleasure just from thinking about the progasm inside me.