strung along?

Hey there!

I just got out of bed, so I won't attempt to address your whole post (sorry :)). All I want to say is: It fook me 4 years! I see you are from 2008, so you are close... but have you tried Hypnaerosession? It's perfect, it even works for a gay man like me.

The best thing I can think of is an analogy with cars. You can't blame the manufacturer of a car when someone drives it and crashes it without a driver's license. The thing about Aneros is that you cannot be trained... there can only be ventured on (buzzword alert!) your journey. Though the best thing like driver's ED would the the Hypnaerosession. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do.

Cheers...

I am a September 2008 member as well.
My road has been rough and I too have spent money.
You cannot blame the product / product's.
It is how you are made(wired) that is the problem.

I have had 1 dry O sitting with an MGX and an interesting hour or so with a Peredise.
I have Helix, MGX, Progasm Ice and Peridise advanced.
The most consistant of these is the Peredise up to now.
My point being is that they are all different in what spot they hit.
I might end up having the complete range before I find the one that is right for me.

I read with envy the post's by a new user that has a Super O straight out of the box or in their first few sessions.

Sure I get frustrated, stop for a while, start again.
It is the luck of the draw.

I read posts about the state of bliss, euphoria, calm sea orgasm. floating, every world leader should have one,
the key's to world peace, life changing experience.
This brings me to Helixer.
Why did he turn so negative and extreme.
Did he ever Super O or was this another cannabis delusion ?

It is a diverse Forum.
We all have different ideas and opinions.
There will be clashes of opinion.

The owners of the Forum show remarkable restraint and have done so for a period of years.
If you have a beef with one of their products you are free to air your opinion, you will not get banned for it.
Anybody who gets banned on here has only themselves to blame.

As for me I will continue on my rough road as to abandon my journey would make a mockery of my hopes and aspirations.
To those of you with doubts and fears, stick with it.

I get the feeling from reading your post that you think you were duped into buying these products.

Nat

From my readings of Helixer’s posts, he was actually not dissatisfied with Aneros products. In fact he posted several times that he achieved Super-Os while using his favourite model, which was the 18mm Peridise (the larger of the Advanced set). He did admit however, that he was normally under the influence of marijuana although he stated that he only partook of the weed once every couple of months.

I suspect he enjoyed weed much more often than that, as it seemed to me that many of his posts were composed while under its influence.

I don’t aim to speak for Aneros support here, but it is my firm belief that the reason for Helixer’s banning was his intemperate use of language. Nearly all of the threads that he authored were way off topic and in no way helped viewers of the forum to progress along the path to rewiring.

I believe the primary purpose of this forum is to assist new users of Aneros products to achieve the rewiring process by allowing more experienced users to provide suggestions, which would assist in that process. It has long been my fear and perhaps that of the support team, that much of Helixer’s contribution to this forum was actually counterproductive.

If you go back through his history, I doubt that you could fail to agree. In his defence he submitted that his more outrageous statements had been made in jest. The problem with this is that we have none of us actually met the guy so we have no way of judging his body language, That being the case we have to take his words at face value.

I think it is clear that Helixer was actually doing damage to this forum and to the Aneros brand. With reluctance, I must agree with the decision of support to ban him.

Nat, I’m sorry, none of the above does anything to solve your problem. I’m sure you will eventually find that there is nothing wrong with the design or quality of the Aneros devices. There are clearly tens of thousands of men all round the world who have discovered the wonders of these little pieces of plastic and I am sure you will eventually discover them for yourself.

I discovered Aneros massagers just short of two years ago. Whilst I am sure that I have yet to experience a Super-O, I have had some great times with them and have certainly enjoyed many anal orgasms. If I can discover this area of activity at the age of seventy, I’m pretty sure anyone can! I must also say that some models work better for me than others. For example, I have yet to discover the magic that so many users report that the Progasm does for them!

May I suggest that you select just one model from your toy box and use it exclusively until such time that you actually achieve some success with it. This way your body will learn how to respond to that model. Only when the responses occur consistently with that model would it then be time to experiment with another. I am sure my own progress was slowed by continually trying different models in an attempt to find the magic one!

I would also urge you to try to strip away all the negative feelings you have developed from your previous experiences, go back to the basics and follow the instructions in the “Getting Started” section of the Aneros wiki and treat it is if you are starting again from scratch. Just remember that there are many thousands of men out there who have genuinely found that these devices do work.

Good Luck!

Pommie

There is a great deal of frustration when you read all the marvelous sessions so many people have and you have none. It took me a few years to get there myself. I also went through a period where I thought that this is all B.S.
Success with prostate massage is an individual journey. Your rate and depth of success depends on your mind and your body. The forum offers a great deal of information, encouragement and yes frustration when you read of all the great sensations others have had.
Once it happens to you and you reach that level and then begin to go beyond further and further, you will be amazed.
Before I had success I would look at the Aneros after a session and think man what a ripoff. Now I look at them and think how can this little piece of plastic (& now stainless steel) do all that to me. Now I look at it as the ultimate bargain.
I encourage you to keep at it and I hope you will get there. I am very glad I did not give up. Once you have success and become rewired, you will be a changed person.

Hello Nat, 🙂

I've been at this for just past 4.5 years now. And still no super-O. For some men this can take time. So what keeps me going? Well after the first year and a half of nothing, I finally started getting some pleasurable sensations. And it has grown step by step, little by little over the years. Pommie has given some good advice. And I'd even add that for some men, ejaculation abstinence can help tremendously. It did for me, and I still practice it, in addition to Aneros sessions as often as daily when possible. Only because it's the only way I can keep my arousal and pleasurable sensation to keep occurring. These toys are not scams or failures. Like yourself, at one point I thought that to in the back of my head. But I've since let that go once I started getting some pleasurable sensations. Keep practicing. You'll will get something out your Aneros toys. They are not wasted money and effort.

As far as Helixer goes... The Aneros support people spent of a lot of time and effort private messaging with him many times to try to get him to understand what people found so offensive about his posts, and how to change them to be more acceptable to the users here. They went above and beyond simple moderator warnings in the forum. I don't believe this was a light hearted decision on their part. I support their decision to ban him and believe the forums here will be a better place because of it.

Love_is

Hello, Nat.

You said, among other things, "...I was part of the forum and chats, but still received no satisfaction. I went ahead and spent a few hundred dollars on Aneros products, was later bullied by a good deal of users on this very forum,..."

The responses to your satisfaction issue by others, above, are in line with my opinion.

As for your experience of being bullied by forum members, I think the tone of this place must have changed since you were last here. Considering the 6 months I've participated in this forum, with the sole exception of Helixer, I haven't seen any bullies or even much rudeness. This forum is one of the most politely behaved ones I've ever encountered, and I've been around many on the Internet since 1995.

I hope you have a better experience with this forum and with Aneros products in the near future.

Best Regards,

Dave

Nat;

The Aneros devices are simple pieces of plastic that are only as useful as the mind and imagination of the user. It's very much like giving a spool to a kid: some will see it as a chunk of wood, a piece of junk; to others, with a sharpened dowel glued into the hole, it's a top; split it in two, and glue a dowel between the halves with a string with a loop on one end, and it's a yo-yo; slip a dowel in the center and support both ends, and it's a pulley, and the list goes on, only limited by the creativeness of the mind. If you think it's just a blankety-blank piece of f-in plastic, well to you, that's all that it can be.

The hardest part of this device, is to relax, erase all expectations, open the mind and focus on the slightest sensations that it produces, not letting the mind wander. For some, it's quite easy to accomplish, and they have the most wonderful sensations. For most, they have a fairly steep and long learning curve, taking many months of little sensations before experiencing each level of success. Then there are those, like me, who have been working for years without much success, but every now and then experiencing a spectacular session, then nothing for months at a time, not knowing what happened nor how to repeat it.

In some respects, it's kind of like having faith: you just keep following without seeing much, if any signs, hoping/confident that in the end, you will be successful.

I hope this is helpful.

i feel your pain i would be pissed if i had not had any results i would be satisfied with just the health benefits personaly but at the end of the day its just a sex toy some people build it up too much this can hinder progress hypnoaerosession is good but do you really want to spend more cash

First I want to say that I did not start this thread. This post was in response to the banning of a member. I responded only to get a PM from support saying that they meant to close the thread, but never did. So instead they moved my post to another thread (I guess..) without even telling me.

Bishop, you are right, I do feel like a sucker for spending all that money. You want to know the reason why? It was because I actually believed in the product and what everyone else was saying. So really, there was no negative approach to the product or sessions. And while things understandably take time, there has to be a point where you get realistic and a line is drawn. Sure, at first it might not be the products fault, but after years of on and off use, questions need to be answered. Yet I find it so funny that when those questions are directly asked to the company making the product, they run away with their tail between their legs, flapping money in their hands, laughing. In all seriousness, if it takes anywhere between 4 years to get the product to work, either it isnt perfected yet, or they need to clearly tell customers this is the case before they spend the money. It would have atleast saved me a lot of time, frustration, and money.

To be completely blunt, its always the same old song and dance. No one wants to address the facts, they just want to use safe answers. But the honest truth is, what makes anyone here an Aneros expert? It was stated that tens of thousands of men have experienced the great wonders of this device (which I have no doubt is true), but how do you know that there are not as well tens of thousands who have had no success? Every time someone has an issue with their model, everyone assumes that they need to go back and read the basics. Hell, if you had a 5 year user, they would be told to do the same. When in fact, its an insult to their intelligence, because they have actually been using the product for 5 years. In turn, whether it be Aneros fanboys or support, everyone wants to blame the lack of success on the user. When in fact, what I am trying to say is that the user is the customer and the customer is always right. To have no warning on how much the product may or may not work, Aneros is not taking responsibility for their product. Its as if I was to go to Best Buy and buy a DVD, get it home, and it doesnt work. Then after my frustration, go to return it to the store only to have the cashiers tell me that I cannot return the product because they dont believe me since it works in the store DVD player. In the end, having it blamed on my DVD player. Any store manager would have put the cashier in their place and gave the customer a refund.

People can assume it is something wrong with me, which it very much can be. However, that is a very bold assumption. How do you know for a fact that it is me and not the product? And yes people.. I am asking for cold hard facts. The truth is, no one can say.

Again.. I would be interested in hearing from the Aneros team about this. I would like an answer that isnt like a press release or hype of the product. While all you guys try to be as helpful as you can, you all wouldnt be here if you were completely dissatisfied with the product. So in reality, you do not speak for all Aneros users.

Nat-

I agree with you in part. It seems to me there are a few different issues here:

1) the marketing of the device does not indicate that there is a range of success with it, and that success might take a long time.

2) that the forum is probably biased towards men who have had success

3) that you spent a lot of money buying more than one device, based on your participation in the forum

4) helixer

With respect to (1), I agree with you that the company should make this clear. The aneros is like a surfboard. Everybody knows that you can't expect to be a good or even great surfer unless you have a lucky combination of time to spend on it and physical talent. But with the aneros that is less obvious. The really confounding thing is that it is not understood why some guys get it and some struggle. I have been trying to crack that nut for seven years now.

That said, they do offer a 30 day guarantee. While it is true that 30 days is not often enough to get going hands-free, still it is reasonable. I don't know what the business considerations are for extending it to, say, 60 days, which would be better. Furthermore while many users don't get hands-free responsiveness, my sense is that if the device is used in conjunction with traditional sex it will provide at least some enhancement for almost everybody. So I don't think it is a complete dud for many people. With a surfboard, this is like being able to lie on it and paddle.

So I think it would be *better* for the company to make this clear, but I don't think it is malfeasance.

Which leads me to (2). One way the company is compensating for lack of such information is by hosting this forum. It is a double edged sword. The forum is biased towards enthusiasts because those are the kind of people who would bother to come here. But on the other hand, there are almost always some threads going that indicate difficulty learning how to use it, or how long it has taken. What I find interesting, actually, is that over the last couple of years the proportion of such threads has gone down. I don't know why that is, though some other long-time participants attribute it to the wiki and rumel's CD. Since I was one of the authors of the wiki I'd be glad to think this is true, but I don't know. Anyway, there is clear integrity on the part of the company in having a forum in which problems with their product are discussed (like in this thread). In sum, while the forum is self-selected towards guys who have had success, there is still plenty of discussion of failure, and such failure is acknowledged as a real problem and elicits much genuine effort at helping. The beach is full of guys who are trying to help newbies surf, and the water is full of both good and great surfers, and those stuck just paddling.

Which leads me to (3). Here is the part i disagree with you about. Nobody here bullied you. They have no leverage over you and no ability to force you to participate in this forum. Furthermore, I am sure I have read, however long ago, the threads you are on and I have never noticed anybody forcefully pushing a product on a forum member. Some guys might suggest they like this model or that, and say they had success when they moved to this model or that. But often that is counter-balanced by those who say that it is more about skill then the model itself.

If you spent a lot of money on additional models when the first ones didn't work, then you were imprudent. I understand that you might have acted out of desperation to experience what is commonly reported here. But, you have to be honest with yourself that it was your responsibility not anybody else's

Which leads me to (4). Helixer was banned here because he become incoherent and very ugly. You are evidencing some anger, and I am sorry and I feel your pain. But there is really no relationship between you and Helixer. I do think you should chill your message a little, but that is just personal advice.

Finally I wish I could help you get success with the aneros. It is a great frustration to me that some guys just don't get off the ground and that there no clear way to help them.

I do appreciate you coming back to the forum to report that you have had no luck. That provides the needed counter-balance to all the enthusiasm.

Darwin

Haven't checked into this forum for awhile and this happened to be the first post I clicked on.
I'm sure I've said this before but here goes again.
It's all in your head! The energy to have these mind blowing orgasms is already in you. Learning how to free this energy is the key. For some the aneros helps release this and others not so much. I feel the reason why some have troubles experiencing "success" lies much deeper than we think. I haven't used the aneros for quite some time now. I actually pretty much have fully stopped doing things related to MMO's. It's like I just don't care anymore. I may just be in a weird part of my life. I know the energy is within me but haven't had much desire to release it in the MMO manner. Plus when I do try it doesn't come easily like it did awhile back and I attribute that to my own mental blocks and crap that's gotten in the way.
That's my problem.... Not the aneros. The aneros works. But only when I'm in the right mind to let it work. Nothing wrong with the product. The problem lies within the user. And I think this pisses the shit out of people that while others are experiencing great things they are not.

When I first found out about the aneros by stumbling across MMO's I thought it was all BS. The whole men being able to have MMO's like in the manner of women. Holy shit was I wrong. Buying a product that claims to give you MMO's and super O's even if there was no 30 day money back guarantee seems like a pretty damn easy gamble to me. Though If the first device I bought hadn't worked I doubt I would keep buying them. And even after I experienced great success I would put the aneros away for months or year at a time before getting the desire to want to experience MMO's. I just have to be in the right state of mind.

Anyways I can feel for those who haven't had any success at all and feeling like they wasted there money. But at least you know that the possibility is there. It's just up to you to figure the how out. I suggest working with meditation and other areas of your life and come back to MMO's at another time. This advice is for anybody who is frustrated with not being able to achieve MMO's aor super O's or what not.

Nat,

You received a PM from the Aneros folks informing you that they had closed the other thread and had moved your comments to a new thread, then they were telling you what they had done, right? Perhaps what you were trying to say is that they didn't ask your permission? Fact is, they don't have to. As you and every other member here knows they have the absolute right to edit, delete and amend content as they see fit. We all give them that right when we first sign on. Another fact is that they rarely exercise that right. It seems to me in this case that this was done for your benefit as had they closed the other thread with your comments in there no one would have been able to respond to what you posted. (I suspect that you would have had something to say had that occurred).

With respect to the "customer is always right", this is a catchy slogan that was created back in 1910 to "sucker " as you say more buyers, by making them feel "empowered". Some people credit Marshall Fields for it others say it was Harry Selfridge. I suspect that it really began with itinerant peddlers working door-to-door making their way across the old south west. As one who has owned my own business for 30 years I can tell you that the customer is often TERRIBLY wrong. In an absolute sense, yes, a merchant's very existence relies upon having customers, but this does not mean that the customer makes all the rules. For example, every now and then I have had customers demand to purchase something from me at under my cost! Is the customer " right" then too? If you are in business long enough you'll discover, there are all sorts of customers out there and there are some that you simply cannot do business with. No matter what you do there will always be some buyers who have issues.

It's a credit to the Aneros company that they have allowed you to air your dissatisfaction in the past and facilitated it this time by making sure that your comments weren't lost inside of a closed thread.

Paul

Hi again Billy11!! And hi again Nat!!

IMHO, you've said it so well Billy11!! 😀 😀

...It's all in your head! The energy to have these mind blowing orgasms is already in you. Learning how to free this energy is the key. For some the aneros helps release this and others not so much. I feel the reason why some have troubles experiencing "success" lies much deeper than we think. I haven't used the aneros for quite some time now. I actually pretty much have fully stopped doing things related to MMO's. It's like I just don't care anymore. I may just be in a weird part of my life. I know the energy is within me but haven't had much desire to release it in the MMO manner. Plus when I do try it doesn't come easily like it did awhile back and I attribute that to my own mental blocks and crap that's gotten in the way.
That's my problem.... Not the aneros. The aneros works. But only when I'm in the right mind to let it work. Nothing wrong with the product. The problem lies within the user. And I think this pisses the shit out of people that while others are experiencing great things they are not.

When I first found out about the aneros by stumbling across MMO's I thought it was all BS. The whole men being able to have MMO's like in the manner of women. Holy shit was I wrong. Buying a product that claims to give you MMO's and super O's even if there was no 30 day money back guarantee seems like a pretty damn easy gamble to me. Though If the first device I bought hadn't worked I doubt I would keep buying them. And even after I experienced great success I would put the aneros away for months or year at a time before getting the desire to want to experience MMO's. I just have to be in the right state of mind.

Anyways I can feel for those who haven't had any success at all and feeling like they wasted there money. But at least you know that the possibility is there. It's just up to you to figure the how out. I suggest working with meditation and other areas of your life and come back to MMO's at another time. This advice is for anybody who is frustrated with not being able to achieve MMO's aor super O's or what not.

I find even leaving a particular model alone for months, even a couple of years as I did with my MGX, and their effects are even better when I come back to them.

Plus, there are many available complementary practices. Before Aneros I/we (mrs. a joined in) experimented with Taoist sexual kung fu. I was able to open my energies and got as far as achieving the MicroCosmic Orbit circulation of these energies through my body. Then left it behind for many years.

When my aneros journey was seeming slow to get going after some weeks :), I saw that some others here were also practising KSMO. I took a look. Felt that method was worth a shot. Bought. Tried it. Soon p-waves started for me using KSMO, quickly they became very powerful!! and my Aneros practice then took off too.

And suddenly I was also feeling those old energies again more powerfully and MCOing easily. IMHO, what you learn along these lines never really leaves you, your body/mind. You may just need a complementary trigger.

We are all unique. Put away the negative feelings. Explore. Adopt any other technique your intuition deeply feels may help you fully open up, and try it. Or if you cannot believe that this is in you, relax and leave it in your past...

I wish you well in your business Nat and however you choose to follow your MMO interest. All the best!

artform

First I want to say that I did not start this thread. This post was in response to the banning of a member. I responded only to get a PM from support saying that they meant to close the thread, but never did. So instead they moved my post to another thread (I guess..) without even telling me.

So now you're complaining they allowed your complaining to continue! How odd is that?

Dear Nat,

Welcome back to the forum.

As with Darwin, I'm rather puzzled about how your situation relates to that of being banned from the forum.

While most of the product comments in the forum are constructive in nature, there have been a few dozen men who have been bummed out (no pun intended) by the product and none of them, during my two years here, have been banned. Taking shots at a competitor's product however is frowned upon as is strong criticism of United States patent law and intellectual property rights. Some posts that ran counter to those principles have resulted in locked threads and some posts have been removed.

I liken your experience with Aneros toys somewhat like my five decades of experience with Golf clubs. The manufacturer provides little in the way of a money-back guarantee and never a guarantee of successful elevation to a slot on the PGA tour. I've found though that money and time spent for coached sessions at the local driving range and for an occasional pro-clinic on one's short-game has paid far greater dividends in my staying in-bounds, getting out of bunkers and reading greens. (I still buy more lunches and rounds of drinks than I receive though. I do enjoy the experience, the outdoors and the spiritual uplift I receive.)

I feel that a most important factor in my small successes in golf and my rewards from 'Aneros-sport' has been NO BLAME!

Blame serves to degrade one's spirit and emphasizes the negatives in any relationship. Instead, a positive spirit and desire for learning tends to cherish the benefits of a relationship, whether it be material or personal. When there are no rewards, then it's time to quit and move on to something that enhances one's spirit.

I'd offer the sage advice of ArcticWolves.

-- "-~~To be upset over what you DON'T have is to waste what you DO have.~~-"

Blessings to you Nat.

Darwin;

(Sorry, Nat, I don't mean to hijack "your" thread even if you didn't intentionally start it 🙂 )

I have to say that your response, above, is one of the most cogent, well organized and responsive posts I've ever read on any forum. The only point I'll reinforce is about Aneros marketing's lack of clarity on the range of user success with the products. This forum clearly depicts that range every day, but many buyers never come here to read it. A paragraph about this issue on the packaging would go a long way towards reducing complaints like Nat's. To be fair, it may be true that total lack of success or utility in any manner are very rare and that making a big deal about success rate would unnecessarily impact Aneros sales. Only Aneros can balance those factors.

Best Regards,

Dave

Darwin, I understand that like most products there is a 30 day refund. However, lets be honest here, of all the Aneros users that you know, what percent actually achieve success within 30 days? I am not talking about super o success here.. just consistent sensations. Being realistic, it might be a decent number, but when you look at the overall picture of all Aneros buyers, I bet it is small. So dont you think that maybe there is a bit of a disconnect between the Aneros team and their customers? The customer is supposed to be aware that they have a 30 day refund, yet if they view the forum, wiki, or even talk to support, they will be told that it could take years to see any progress. Therefore, where is the line drawn between the product not working for the customer and the customer not using the product correctly?

For a minute lets go through the motions of a user. First they hear about the product and buy the model of their choice. For a lack of an example, maybe assume that they read the forum and noticed that the Helix is the central model. They buy it and have no success. In time they return to the forum to see what their mistakes may be, where they are directed to the wiki and various other informative items. They correct their flaws, but still come up empty. A few months later they are told to buy the CD that Rumel made, because a lot of members have had success using it. They do so, but receive nothing consistent. After plugging away some more, they return to the forum for more advice. At this point the 30 day refund is no longer in effect, but either way users are pushing them along by saying it will work, but give it time. The next thing the unsuccessful user knows, they are being told that some models work better for some people than others and that the Helix may not be the right model for them. This circle then continues based on each model, meaning how many hundreds of dollars are spent? Yet the customer is wrong because they were so much as unblindly loyal to the product? Maybe it is because I do business cleanly, but I as a business owner would never attribute loyalty from a customer as a weakness.

This is all not said to stir up the pot, but I feel that if the Aneros team is going to be brave enough to provide this forum, they need to be able to address individual instances of failure just as much as instances of success. From e mails that I have personally sent, threads, etc, no effort has ever been made. This could be bad timing, but at this point I have to assume I am not the only one. However, because I have believed in the product for years (partly due to the support of the forum members), I peak my head in every once in awhile to talk about issues. In a day of age where most people are frustrated and busy, most users that are having issues and never return to the forum can very well be people that were left with nothing. It seems to me that the Aneros team is more concerned with creating more products for the use of those users that have "got it", but leave no extra time to address issues those of us left in the dust are experiencing. If this will continue to be the Aneros way, they should atleast lower the price of models or let those users without success beta test new products before donating more money to the cause.

When I say bullied I dont mean traditionally. I mean it just as some of the "in your head" comments of this thread. Users (just like support) lead other users to believe that the product is never wrong and the user always is. Again, who are you supposed to trust as a consumer, when not even the people that make the product can answer the most basic questions about its use? With even an attitude like imp has, where an issue with a product is considered "complaining" rather than expressing concerns, I dont think that is a great reflection you want put on a business.

Rook, my problem with the golf example is the same problem I have with the surfing example. Both sports are mainstream practices. You could go up to anyone and ask them if they think they should return a board or set of clubs after 30 days and they will tell you it is not that easy. However, with something like Aneros, your answer will vary depending on the user, because most people in the world dont even know this type of product exists, let alone being able to measure how long it may or may not take to gain ground. This is why most products have beta stages if the concepts are new. From my small knowledge of Aneros beta testers, it is the same group of people time and time again, who just happen to be users with a lot of previous success. If you want to accurately measure what you are doing right and wrong, wouldnt it be more worth it to listen to and work with those having less success?

Dave made a great point. Only Aneros can balance these factors, which is why I was hoping they would directly participate in this discussion. You all are great for taking out the time to respond, but I think support could add a clearer perspective to this conversation. Because even if a product is 100% successful, conversations like this should be had when it comes to further development of products.

When I click the 100% Money-Back Guarantee button on the home page Prostate Massage, Sex Toys for Men, Male G-Spot, Prostate Stimulators Stimulation, Anal Toys it says 90 days for the guarantee. Am I reading it wrong or are you wrong? I ain't complaining I'm just expressing my concern for accuracy.

So, Let me understand this: you're saying that it's the company's fault that the purchaser of a hammer keeps hitting his thumb instead of the nail?

As a child, I received a pocket knife. Unfortunately, I lacked the skill and coordination to properly wield it, and thus cut myself nearly every time I opened the knife. Should my parents have sued the knife manufacturer for making a faulty product? Of course not. With time, and practice, I managed to first not cry after cutting myself, then quit cutting myself altogether.

The Aneros is no different. Like a hammer, there are no moving parts except for the muscles that wield it, and its usefulness is limited to the skill and physical abilities of the operator. Any of these models should get you where you want to go, but some will get some people there faster and easier - no one is quite sure why. The biggest impediment of optimum fit is buying over the internet; there's no one who can probe your butt and determine with any confidence that any one particular model will work the best for you first, the field is still new and wide open with so many variables. It's like buying your wife/girlfriend a diaphragm over the internet: you have no skill in measuring what size she needs, and you have very little knowledge of what size will work; they will not accept the product back if it's the wrong one, due to it coming in contact with bodily fluids, possible contamination with contagions. Once it touches body fluids, it's yours, buddy, no one wants it back.

I have managed to have hit some milestones that many here describe in detail; I've lost the ability to reach those goals because of a number of factors, mostly mental barriers, and some, neurological due to injury to sciatic nerves. My intent is not to slap you into silence and submission, but relate it with other, simpler things that are easier to master than the subtle, elusive Aneros. It's akin to the difference between learning pig Latin and Chinese; one you pick up in minutes, the other will take you a lifetime to master.

Darwin, I understand that like most products there is a 30 day refund. However, lets be honest here, of all the Aneros users that you know, what percent actually achieve success within 30 days? I am not talking about super o success here.. just consistent sensations. Being realistic, it might be a decent number, ......

Nat,

Let's be accurate here, it is NOT a 30 day refund policy as you have stated, but a 90 day refund policy! (see below). In addition to that it is the first time I have ever seen anyone offer any kind of a refund or product performance guarantee for a sex device. Seriously, it's unheard of in this industry and it is generous.

Our Guarantee

Our guarantee covers only individual massagers and does not apply to massagers sold as part of our currently offered Special Sets.

With respect to achieving results in 90 days (the true time period involved in the guarantee), judging from the results in How Long Before Your First Super O poll, 54% of those that responded indicated that they achieved a Super-O within 90 days! One might assume that those who reported taking longer were experiencing some of the "consistent sensations" that you referred to also, although not full fledged Super-O's. The inference here is that a large majority of men have been experiencing results from the Aneros. That said, I suspect that it makes little difference to you if 70% or even 99.9% of the men out there are successful with the product if you are not one of them. This is totally understandable.

On the company's tester program, perhaps you have more information on this than I do. But it occurs to me that the Aneros is a product whose performance is largely determined by the individual using it. One user likened it to a training device for developing a response in your body (a "Tantric Training Wheel") . Like any training process there is a learning curve with this device, and this factor is different for everyone. Assuming that the company used people who had no experience with the Super-O (as you have suggested), how would they know if these individuals were quick or slow learners? If they were slow learners it is possible that they could have a highly effective new model (for quick and intermediate learners) and never know it! It seems to me that using individuals who have Super-O experience would be about establishing a control group as is commonly used in scientific experiments. The way that I see it, HIH has been creating products that people have been raving about for over 9 years. Whatever their process is for testing them is spot on in my book.

In regards to the Aneros Team addressing successes and failures of users in the forum, from what I've seen they do neither. This is a user supported forum where all of the content is generated by the user community. If you want to engage them in a dialogue I would suggest that you contact them directly.

MarkM

sorry, my bad, not Nat's, about the "30 day guarantee." he didn't say that first on this thread, i did, based on my (incorrect) recollection.

90 day seems extremely generous, unheard of actually.

darwin

Mark, that is 54% of what exactly? I think we have already established that most users of these items are not as aware that forums do exist for products, let alone those highly dissatisfied with using these products being active on them. You are looking at a percentage of users that have had a super o after 90 days, within a pool of users that most have had some kind of success. As I said in previous posts, I am taking the super o out of the equation here, seeing as though it is one of the top milestones of Aneros use.

I understand your point in regards to testers. However, I think there are two factors involved. First if you want the most accurate of results on your product, you are going to want a combination of experienced and inexperienced users. After all, these are the people that are going to be using the products. Sure, we can assume that ever user knows the Eupho is not the right model to start with. But the truth is, are people outside of the forum going to know and express that? I started off with the Helix because I was fortunate enough to have read the forums first. But in all honesty, most people I have talked to that work at sex shops (where I bought my models and where almsot all Aneros products are sold) know nothing about Aneros. So here is the thing... Whether the Aneros team wants to believe it or not, a good amount of people still buy items in stores. So not only are we supposed to assume the product is great, but now that we have a 90 day warrenty that no one is sure about (since results do vary), but Im shit out of luck if I dont read the fine print on the website before buying, which states that I have no 90 day warranty since I bought in a store. To me atleast that is a major disconnect from the company to the product and back to the customer.

Which of course leads me to the second factor, which I understand if no one can grasp. As a consumer, if I express loyalty to a product line or company, it is because I want to see it succeed and I want to support those involved. Where as in big business, most companies could care less about the consumer, just as long as they are spending money on the product. Because the company set up these forums, set up chats, and made that Aneros Me thing, I would assume that they care about the success of those that use their products. Yet I find it odd that they care enough to keep creating new models for experienced users, as well as allowing them to test them (meaning in theory, some experienced users dont have to shell out $80 for new models), yet they show no compassion for those users having a lack of success, yet still supporting the cause and still wanting the product to work for them. Again, maybe it is just me, but I dont see that as a good attitude towards customers.

Its about positive interactions with your customers. For example, I bought a new microphone for my computer. I was having trouble getting it to work. When I called Guitar Center (where I bought the mic), they told me that I now have to buy some expensive filter and a pricey recording program. I hung up the phone and directly called the company that made the mic. The guy on the phone sat there for an hour with me going through computer and mic settings, until finally the product worked. He then told me how he had similar problems and knows a lot of people that wasted a lot of money on software just to get it to work, when it was unneeded. So in other words, this company has some compassion for users of their products. They provided for me a positive interaction, where as Guitar Center wanting nothing more than you to buy more product from them. How is this different with Aneros? I know it isnt mainstream like a microphone is, but I could have very well went through the same motions. I could have easily went on music and tech forums, where a lot of people would have still suggested that I buy the pricey add ons, only because thats where they gained their success (rather than it being needed). When contacting the manufacturer, they could have very well have never returned my call or lead me to buy more of their products to get it to work. I dont see that sympathy with Aneros. They set up these really nice forums and such, which I commend them for, but they dont follow through.

Mark, as I have also stated before, I have tried to e mail support many of times over what has been close to a year, but received no response. That is half of the problem here. I know I will never get any refund for the few hundred dollars that I have given them. But I would like some type of explanation and maybe some ways as to getting this thing to give me some results, since I have taken on almost all of the advice from the forum and wiki. I would also like to see this become safe guarded, so other people arent thrown into the hole I have been.

I hate to double post, but why only a warranty on some products and not others?

I hate to double post, but...

from nearly a year ago -
http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/aneros-crash-course-my-final-plea-14535/#post88800

Support, please lock this thread, it is going nowhere.

bishop,

agreed that it is going nowhere. the reason is that Nat has a different perspective then the guys who frequent the forum. he's debating with the chorus. he has made some good points, and there have been some good responses by many voices.

but, by no means should support lock the thread. that should be reserved for seriously problematic threads, not threads that are going nowhere. we are extremely lucky to have a hands-off moderator. the way to handle a nowhere thread is to avoid replying.

darwin

Gentlemen;

I agree with Darwin. There is no reason to close this thread or censure Nat in any way. He has made some valid points. His main complaint being that Aneros does not adequately warn potential customers of the difficulty some unknown percentage of users have with the product.

One factor pertaining to the lack of a strong warning on packaging could be that the products DO improve conventional sex experiences for a very high percentage of users. Many independent product reviews around the Web refer to the possibility of Super-Os, but recommend the product based on how well it works in solo or partnered sex of the usual kind.

Cheers,

Dave

There is such a thing as "BUYER BEWARE"!

That is the other side of the coin that the customer is always right.

I believe both statements are true and that Nat should accept that.

I really can't see the problem with Aneros devices or their attitude to marketing or support, but hen I am one of the very many men who are receiving positive responses!

Pommie