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It's just nice to talk about it. It's been so rough the last few years since I've developed the spontaneous orgasm ability. I've been trying very hard to spread the word, but I soon found that women basically thought I was a delusional freak. Women have been really, really hostile to me. I pretty quickly stopped talking about the chakra stuff, and then stopped talking about the spontaneous orgasm part, simply concentrating on the fact that I could help women who can't have a vaginal orgasm (more than half of all women) acquire the ability. But even there women are often extremely hostile, "And what is wrong with clitoral orgasms, all orgasms are clitoral, thank you very much!" Even just increasing female libido, which my diet does, has been met with some hostility. My gender really baffles me at times. I mean I'm not talking about lubing something up and sticking it up your ass. These are vaginal orgasms--they are produced by sex--sexual intercourse. What's freaky about that?

I broke down at one of the women's boards I post at and started blathering about chakra orgasms in a moment of weakness. This was one woman's response:

"zaneblue, you're so full of *it* you wouldnt't know a Snickers bar from a packet of ribbed full-ecstacy Trojans.

First: you're a guy.
Second: you live in a fantasyland.
Third: you know nothing about women or sex. Just because you have a dick that works doesn't mean that you have a clue as what to do with it.

Lastly: Take your idiotic ideas out to the land of OZ where you belong and stop bothering people with your nonsensical meanderings. And don't come back.

P.S. We won't miss you. "


   
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Likeitalot,

Go to www.brainsync.com. Check out a CD entitled (appropriately enough) ECSTASY. It features music with embedded alpha and theta waves...no dialogue or voices. I've found it very powerful.

As far as using it goes...toss on a set of headphones, close your eyes, insert the Aneros and just relax with it for a while....no contractions yet...just relax. Then slowly start to visualize...perhaps bringing back some erotic imagery that you find particularly arousing or perhaps you may want to start with something more abstract. By abstract I mean something like visualizing sensation filling your rectum and expanding outward toward your abdomen, an area just an inch or two below your navel (your second chakra) . As these images materialize in your minds eye think about initiating a subtle anal contraction and holding it. Become aware of the sensation of holding (hold for about 10 seconds...but don't count it out...it's not about being precise). Once you release it, become aware of that sensation too. After several of these, create a basal contraction (just above the level of non-contracted) and hold it. From now until of the end of the session always come back to the low level contraction. Now try some upgraded contractions from there..holding and releasing, always pausing to bask in the sensations that these produce. You may become vaguely aware of a feeling of arousal in your abdomen.....almost a very low level tickling. You may find yourself breathing a bit more rapidly or deeper...your pulse may quicken too. Experiment and explore...enjoy!

This CD give a nice support to a session. It can actually generate and bolster arousal!

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zaneblue:

The world (most of it, anyway) is not ready for your message. That was just plain hostile. About 15 years ago, I would have probably reacted to you the same way. Since that time, I've become much more open-minded, realizing that there's much more to our existence than meets the eye. I'm sorry for you being treated that way. But don't give up! Keep on trying... and you'll help the ones that are looking for it (even if they don't know they are).

B Mayfield:

Thanks so much for the tips. I will definitely give it a go. I think something like that will help with relaxation and focus. As it is, my mind seems to go 100 different directions all at once.


   
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Ok, so I lied! I saw the new replies and I just had to post one more time before I sign off. So THIS will be my final post for awhile...

"Pan, I know I sound like a 100% total nutcase talking about the chakra things. I'm so glad I have someone to talk to about this stuff"

Oh me too! I'm especially intrigued by the parallels between our experiences. To me it's a constant reminder of what I've always suspected since learning KSMO - After a certain point, men and women are really quite similiar in the way we express pleasure!

"Honest, I can do the forward movement thing, and I do feel refreshed and creative and benign and all that stuff but it doesn't feel orgasmic. Now I'm curious about his female researchers, if any of them reported orgasmic sensations from forward clicking."

This is why I deeply wish Neil Slade had a Forum at his website! Amygdala Clicking deserves a lot more discussion and field research than it's getting. The only thing I can refer to off the top of my head is an email quoted in one of Neil's newsletters, where a young woman reported having an orgasm while clicking forward as she was kissing her boyfriend (with clothes on).

I know Clicking Forward is known to produce orgasms quite frequently in both sexes, but there are lots of variations as well. For instance, some people can't physically feel their amygdalae, but they still experience powerful mental and emotional highs from clicking forward. Obviously, you and I are in the group of people who actually feel their amygdalae.

"When I click backwards, the wrong way, it feels very reptilian. It makes me want to fight, it makes me see red, it feels really dirty. Really, really dirty--much dirtier than anything I've ever done, and I've done some pretty kinky things. It's like it triggers all the porn talk in my mind and violent sex."

Yeah, that pretty much sums up clicking backward! Some people also report feeling fearful, angry, cruel, etc.

"It also triggers a strong orgasm. It makes me feel totally grounded. It just feels right."

Ok, this is starting to make more sense to me. But then I really know so very little about Amygdala Clicking. I'm still just a newbie at it myself. But Neil does talk about how people are just as, if not more prone to getting pleasure out of backward clicking activities. These can include things like physical violence, making fun of others, stealing, etc. It's perfectly natural.

According to Neil, it's just considered inferior to clicking forward in terms of pleasure and evolution. For instance, punching someone may feel good, but it shouldn't feel as good as a Heartgasm! So clicking backward may still be serving some purpose for you, perhaps in the same way I really loved sparring in Karate tournaments. It's a rush! It feels good, in a bad way! And that's ok!

But in my mind, it seems logical that if you can have an orgasm from clicking backward you can certainly have one from clicking forward too. Probably an even better one. It may just require a little more clicking. But I know Neil is a really laid back kinda guy and if you email him about it, I'm sure he'll give you a staight answer that makes better sense than I can. If you do, please let us know what he said, cuz I'm totally facinated by this!

"And it really does feel like a pussy, like the third eye is my pussy muscles flexing around an imaginary penis, and the cockhead is hitting right at the amygdala, just like it would hit my cul de sac up behind my cervix, triggering orgasm."

I can't tell you how relieving it is to have someone confirm the female equivalent of what I feel when I'm clicking forward! It may seem wierd, but at least now I know I'm not the only one who experiences feeling their amygdalae in a genital-like way.

"I have been wanting a sixth chakra orgasm for so long. I've known I was close--I would get a throbbing feeling at my third eye but nothing came of it. Now I know I've got it."

I know what you mean. It still amazes me how something so incredibly pleasurable can be so easy to do, and yet I could have easily gone my whole life without ever feeling it if I hadn't bumped into that website!

" I've been trying very hard to spread the word, but I soon found that women basically thought I was a delusional freak. Women have been really, really hostile to me."

This really took me by surprise! I've had the exact same experience for the past 5 years almost every time I post about MMO outside of this Forum or the KSMO website. I've found most men to be incredibly defensive and sarcastic about the very idea of MMO's, but I never would have imagined it would be the same way for women too!

But keep the faith sister! People need to hear your story. Or as Jack likes to say, "We're changing the world, one orgasm at a time!"

Mayfield:

That was an excellent guide for using the Ecstasy Cd with the Aneros! It pretty much described exactly how I do it too. Just add Clicking Forward to that mix and it's identical!

ilikeitalot:

I just want to add that the overall effects of the Ecstasy Cd will definitely be enhanced if the cd is listened to once a day, every day for about 3-4 weeks in a row. You can use it with the aneros on some days and then just while relaxing, perhaps with some fantasy or visualization on the other days.

Also, if you are more interested in developing focus and basic meditation skills, I would recommend the Total Relaxation Cd available at the same website. It's just Alpha Waves mixed with music. So it's relaxing, and can help you focus your thoughts, but without the somewhat trippy effects of the Theta Waves which are part of the Ecstasy Cd program. It's also good to play just before bed if you have trouble getting to sleep at night.

Ok, NOW I'm really signing off for the next few days!

Take care guys,

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Pan / Zane,

Imagine my surprise when I went on line this evening and found the following article on my browser (a headline news item under science and health). I think you'll find it apropos our discussions here. Specifically how they relate how a certain part of the brain (which they later reveal as the amygdala) is switched off (forward / backwards) in women during orgasm. 'Ol T.D. LIngo would have loved this.

A part that I found particular amusing was that they (sic) had trouble getting reliable results from the study on men because the scanner needs activities lasting at least two minutes, and the men's climaxes didn't last that long. Obviously their test subjects lacked the ability for the Super O!!

By EMMA ROSS
COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) - New research indicates parts of the brain that govern fear and anxiety are switched off when a woman is having an orgasm but remain active if she is faking.

In the first study to map brain function during orgasm, scientists from the Netherlands also found that as a woman climaxes, an area of the brain governing emotional control is largely deactivated.

``The fact that there is no deactivation in faked orgasms means a basic part of a real orgasm is letting go. Women can imitate orgasm quite well, as we know, but there is nothing really happening in the brain,'' said neuroscientist Gert Holstege, presenting his findings Monday to the annual meeting of the European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology.

In the study, Holstege and his colleagues at Groningen University recruited 11 men, 13 women and their partners.

The volunteers were injected with a dye that shows changes in brain function on a scan. For men, the scanner tracked activity at rest, during erection, during manual stimulation by their partner and during ejaculation brought on by the partner's hand.

For women, the scanner measured brain activity at rest, while they faked an orgasm, while their partners stimulated their clitoris and while they experienced orgasm.

Holstege said he had trouble getting reliable results from the study on men because the scanner needs activities lasting at least two minutes and the men's climaxes didn't last that long. However, the scans did show activation of reward centers in the brain for men, but not for women.

Holstege said his results on women were more clear.

When women faked orgasm, the cortex, the part of the brain governing conscious action, lit up. It was not activated during a genuine orgasm.

Even the body movements made during a real orgasm were unconscious, Holstege said.

The most striking results were seen in the parts of the brain that shut down, or deactivated. Deactivation was visible in the amygdala, a part of the brain thought to be involved in the neurobiology of fear and anxiety.

``During orgasm, there was strong, enormous deactivation in the brain. During fake orgasm, there was no deactivation of the brain at all. None,'' Holstege said.

Shutting down the brain during orgasm may ensure that obstacles such as fear and stress did not get in the way, Holstege proposed. ``Deactivation of these very important parts of the brain might be the most important necessity for having an orgasm,'' he said.

Donald Pfaff, professor of neurobiology and behavior at Rockefeller University in New York, said the interpretations were reasonable. ``It makes poetic sense,'' said Pfaff, who was not connected with the research.

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Ooooh, thank you Pan! That Ecstasy CD is groooooooooovy! LOL


   
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In case anyone else is interested... I put together a list of PC software that lets you create custom brainwave audio files. I'd recommend looking at SHARM first. It's very easy to use, yet it really does a lot.

SHARM - www.thesharm.com/sharm_info.html

SHARM (Self Hypnosis and Relaxation Machine) gives you full control over the different aspects of your self-hypnosis, relaxation and meditation sessions. Using SHARM, you will learn to design and customize your sessions quickly and easily. Explore and study the influence of different types of sound on your state of consciousness.

Powerful sound tracks support advanced sound technology:

Suggestions - Over 160 empowering suggestions
Affirmations - Mix your own affirmations in your session
Nature Sounds - Relaxing sounds of water and birds
Background Noise - Cycling through your ears
Binaural Beat - Brainwave entrainment technology
Musical bells - Musical patterns to focus your attention
Ambient Sounds - Infinite fascinating background sounds
Breathwork - Practice deep breathing (Pranayama)
OM Chorus - Practice the amazing OM chorus sound

Binaural Beat Mixer - www.thesharm.com/binaural_mixer_info.html

The Binaural Mixer is a software tool that helps you to explore and experience altered states of consciousness with the Binaural Beat sound. Simply select your favorite music titles, set the properties of the sound and click the Mix Button. Within minutes you will create your own sound tracks, combining any music tracks with Binaural Beat frequency sounds.

Neuro-Programmer - www.transparentcorp.com/products/np

The Neuro-Programmer 2 (NP2) is an innovative software application for the PC, built to help you achieve rapid and long lasting personal change. NP2 stimulates Brainwaves while using Hypnosis, NLP and other Psychological techniques to help you transform your mind and enhance your mental abilities.

Other systems simply generate tones or binaural beats, which can be invasive or unpleasant to listen to. BSS can generate tones too, but it can also do a lot more than that. In fact, BSS is capable of producing all known forms of audio entrainment. And the best part is that you can use any sound of our choosing as the carrier wave for this entrainment.

Brain Sound Studio - www.transparentcorp.com/products/bss

Brain Sound Studio (BSS) takes any sound of your choosing - such as an MP3 or WAV file - and uses the existing sound as the carrier wave for brainwave entrainment! BSS passes the sound through a series of complex scientific filters, subtly changing it to have dramatic effects on the brain. Using BSS, you can guide your brain to nearly any mental state, such as concentration, euphoria, accelerated learning, relaxation, trance and more. You can use BSS to explore exotic mental states such as lucid dreaming and out of body experiences.

Neural Noise Synthesizer - www.transparentcorp.com/products/nns

Neural Noise Synthesizer generates specially engineered Noise which affects the brain in unique ways through a process known as brainwave entrainment (or BWE), using the Noise itself as the carrier wave. By directly stimulating the brain, NNS is able to guide your brain to nearly any mental state, such as concentration, euphoria, accelerated learning, relaxation, trance and more.

Even if you just want to use or customize White Noise for sleep, meditation or relaxation, NNS does that too, but does it a thousand times better. Using this software you can bring yourself into a much deeper sleep or even to a more precise, lucid dreaming state. In fact, NNS gives you the power to precisely control your entire sleep cycle!

BrainWave Generator - www.bwgen.com

BrainWave Generator generates binaural beats that change your brain frequency towards the desired state, be it relaxation or enhanced attention. In addition to using the more than 20 built-in brain wave entrainment programs, you can create your own programs (presets).


   
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This is one of the best threads I ever read 🙂 Should be good for a sticky imho 🙂

Thanks to Ilikeit so much for the binaural software links! Who here knows what type of brain wave is more condusive to super O? Would love an answer to that one if it's not already covered & I missed it.

Thanks also to Zane for the body chemistry info, Will check that out too & will feed back here if it helps my quest.

I have the ecstacy CD, frontal lobes super charge book, ksmo seminar & they are all good. Had the full experience with key sound a couple of years back but life got busy & stressful, no fault of ksmo but couldn't quite repeat it, now I'm getting closer again with my modified Helix, yesterday had an extended full system experience, very mild but promising and interestingly different.

I notice Jack Johnston recommends the quest for wild divine game, think you can buy on Amazon - would be interesting to get some fback on that if anyone has tried it.

I started on Korean (red) ginseng tabs last week, feel a lot better in myself, much more energy in my system - think it should help too.

fyi the brain orgasm science story is rewritten here with a couple of brain scan photos http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4111360.stm
I guess that's the Septum that's lit up in both pics? Interesting the rest of the brain seems to shut down during Orgasm!

Thanks again guys for the top info 8)


   
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Thanks for the article B!

I found it very interesting. It's funny how often scientists refer to the amygdalae only in terms of fear, anxiety, and aggression. That's literally only half the story! The amygdalae also contain the highest concentration of opiate receptors in the brain. Not to mention their shared neural pathways with the (orgasm-related) septal regions. They're clearly designed to do more than just make us feel bad!

I also found it especially interesting how the study suggests that conscious action and orgasm can't occupy the same space at the same time. In the past I've debated on this point with practitioners of the classic Tantric and Taoist PC control methods.

I generally don't consider voluntary PC contractions to be a path to true multiple orgasms because they always require a degree of conscious self-control throughout the experience. With PC methods, guys are never really able to let go and enjoy the experience. Some part of them must always be carefully controlling their bodies in order to prevent accidental ejaculation. It always seemed to me that if you have to have control anything, then you're not really having an orgasm.

And actually, just like KSMO, I think the Aneros proves this point as well. With the Aneros, you can encourage a Super-O with subtle contractions, and you can help set the stage with deep relaxed breathing, various positions, erotic fantasies or porn. But ultimately, all you can do is set the stage for Super-O's to occur on their own. You can't force a Super-O anymore than you can make yourself sneeze!

Zane - I'm glad you like the Ecstasy Cd! If you have any especially interesting results using it with Clicking Forward, please let us know about them!

ilikeitalot - Thanks for posting the various brainwave programs. I tried the BrainWave Generator trial version but I found it a bit complicated for my limited technical abilities. I ended up buying the BSS program instead. I found it to be a little more user friendly. But more importantly, with BSS I can make brainwave Cd's that work without headphones.

I'm also interested in the SHARM program. If anyone has tried it, I'd love to hear more about it.

mu1ti - Regarding the best brainwave state to achieve the Super-O, I'm fairly certain it's either in Alpha, Theta, or a combintation of the two. I know all the pleasure-related endorphins seem to be produced in either Alpha or Theta state. So anything in that range is likely to be at least a little helpful. The Ecstasy Cd uses a combination of Alpha and Theta, but unfortunately I don't have the exact recipe. I've been using BSS to try and create a program that induces the exact same effect. But no luck so far.

You can also go to bwgen.com and check out their preset library. People often describe what Hz patterns they used in their programs, so it can be helpful in designing your own.

Of course, you can always just try listening to the Ecstasy Cd during or just prior to your sessions. The only reason I'm trying to re-create the Ecstasy Cd with BSS is so I won't need the headphones anymore. Otherwise I'd just stick with that. After all, why mess with perfection!?!


   
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Pan this is interesting from the BSS documentation...

Theta 1 - (3 - 5 Hz) If suppressed, can improve concentration and ability to focus attention. Generally not a good thing to increase.
Theta 2 - (5 - 8 Hz) Very relaxed and dreamful sleep. Life-Transforming, paranormal, and spiritual experiences are most common at this band.

Plenty of info in the docs about the other bands but theta 2 looks intriguing!

Pan I used to chat with you on Jack's site, good to meet you again - Andi says hello to both of you too 🙂 Glad you're doing ok


   
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Oh Wow!

It's great to hear from you again! Amy also says hello.

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Nice 1 Pan 🙂 Good to see you too

Found this comment on http://www.brainmachines.com/frequencies.html

"I know 10.5 Hz, with a secondary bb @ 8.5 enhances orgasm by orders of magnitude."

Interesting, will try that on my BSS demo!

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Yeah, it's interesting. Everywhere I look, people claim this or that Hz to produce the most potent sexual response. I've seen everything from 9.5Hz down to 1.5Hz claimed to be The Sexual Tone or some such term.

Generally, most seem to fall somewhere between 9.5Hz and 6.5Hz (low Alpha to mid Theta). My experience has been that anything in the Alpha-Theta range has the potential to be a sexual enhancement provided your intentions are geared that way. So I would feel free to play with that range.

I'm not sure there really is an ideal Hz level for sexual response. To me that's like saying there's a perfect dosage for a particular drug. People often respond differently to the same stimulus.

But I think it's fairly universal that people feel more aroused when they are in a relaxed state (alpha) and able to freely and vividly explore with their imaginations (theta).

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Haha 1.5Hz 😀
Best day of my life & I can't remember a thing about it 🙂

Pan, instead of clicking your Amygdalae why not click your septum? Maybe this part of the brain can't be self contolled. But then maybe it can!?

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Originally Posted By: mu1ti
Haha 1.5Hz 😀
Best day of my life & I can't remember a thing about it 🙂

LOL!

Wow, tell us more about THAT!

I've never even tried to go below 4Hz myself. I hear it's not actually possible to entrain that low. But then I barely comprehend all this Hz stuff as it is. All I really know is that playing with the numbers leads to some rather interesting experiences.

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You've got a great point about those septal areas! I have no idea why there's no techniques for going right to the source, so to speak. Heck I'm still getting used to the idea that I can feel ANY part of my brain at all. LOL.


   
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Just some food for thought,

The normal range of human hearing for individuals in good health is from 20hz to 20, 000hz. In teenagers and young adults it may be a bit lower at 15hz for a time. Be aware that at 15 cycles (hz) you have something that is so low that one doesn't experience it a tone per se, but a vague vibration.

Arguably there may be lower frequencies that are perhaps sensed by the body in ways that do not involve the ear. But bear this in mind, there are few loudspeakers (transducers) that can even produce 15cycles, let alone anything below. Most subwoofers typically bottom out well before 18 cycles (I happen to have one that goes down to 16 cycles, although I'm doubtful that I've ever had the source material or the physical capacity to have experienced it).

The frequency response on headphones; again 20 to 20, 000hz.

Now, there are theories about higher frequencies (higher than 20 K) creating artifacts that may find their way down into our range of perception (a rationale for why digital audio technology keeps employing higher sampling rates). I never seen this applied to ultra low frequencies though.

In the final analysis, without the capacity to reproduce it or percieve it....I'm not sure what use a tone of 1.5 hz could be?

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Hi B Mayfield 🙂 Read a lot of your posts, great stuff.
The tone could be amplitude modulated rather than a 8Hz sine wave which you are correct to say wouldn't be heard, however an audible tone delivered at 8 pulses per second can be heard fine & definitely can cause a sympathetic brain wave reaction.

Pan, Hz just means pulses per second so if you tap your pencil 3 times a second you are tapping at 3 Hz. 440 times & you're in tune with your guitars A string!
If you can remember what these pulse rates feel like you can create them at will, no need for the software then - do it any time!
Let me know if you find your septum Pan - if you ever come down 😀

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Re: not being able to hear frequencies below 20Hz....

B Mayfield is correct on this. The ears and brain cannot discern Delta (0-4Hz), Theta (4-8Hz) and Alpha (8-14Hz) frequencies. (Although, as mu1ti states, maybe you *can* hear square waves as opposed to sine waves.) Anyway, the usual trick has to do with binaural beats. This is where you mix two frequencies so that the brain will hear the difference. Here's the theory from the BrainWave Generator web site:

Stimulating the brain with binaural beat frequencies

The easiest way of applying stimulus to the brain is via ears. Other senses could be used as well, and vision is actually used quite often (often in addition to hearing). However, humans cannot hear sounds low enough to be useful for brain stimulation, so special techniques must be used. One such special technique used is called binaural beats.

If the left ear is presented with a steady tone of 500Hz and the right ear a steady tone of 510Hz, these two tones combine in the brain. The difference, 10Hz, is perceived by the brain and is a very effective stimulus for brainwave entrainment. This 10Hz is formed entirely by the brain. When using stereo headphones, the left and right sounds do not mix together until in your brain. The frequency difference, when perceived by brain this way, is called a binaural beat.

The effect of the audible frequencies used

To get a stimulus of 10Hz, you may use tones of 500Hz and 510Hz, or 400Hz and 410Hz, or 800Hz and 810Hz, or so on. The only requirements are that the tone is heard well enough and that it is below about 1000Hz. Below 1000Hz, the wavelength of the skull is sufficiently small so that the sound waves curve around it.


   
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I read earlier in this thread about some people using a CD with embedded binaural beats for relaxation and to intensify the experience. (BTW if you're not familiar with brainwave entrainment, check out http://www.bwgen.com/theory.htm -- and you can download the brainwave generator to try it out.) I was wondering if anyone else had tried this.

But this got me thinking, and I ran across another different subject -- erotic hypnosis. Basically listening to an MP3 file of a hypnotist who takes you into a trance and implants suggestions in your subconscious involving sexuality in some way, such as being able to experience orgasm on command. (Quick link about hypnosis in general, if you don't understand it: http://science.howstuffworks.com/hypnosis.htm ) The relaxed, tranced state you are trying to achieve in hypnosis is similar to REM sleep and is dominated by Alpha-Theta brainwaves, so it seems similar to using binaural beats in a way. Plus you can (attempt) to train yourself to experience multiple orgasms, or orgasm from anal stimulation, or any number of other things that might be useful in conjunction with the aneros. It seemed like an interesting avenue to explore.

The only site I have found that's not trying to brainwash you into paying them money is http://www.warpmymind.com . Most of the MP3's are free, though they cover a much broader range of weird sexual interests than those I mentioned. From the reading I have done on the subject, it seems that in order for hypnosis to work you have to want it to work and believe that it can. If you are resistant, or are an "analytical" type of person, you will have more difficulty seeing any results. If you're going to try this out, start with the inductions, deepening, and trainsuggestible for a while, then try one of the easier trigger files, like trigfreeze2 before moving up to being able to orgasm on command. It takes practice and sometimes months I've heard. I just started messing around with this.

Anyway, just wondering if anyone had experimented with brainwaves/hypnotism along with the aneros. I don't have one yet but hopefully will get one soon.


   
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Hey John,

as an alternative, I think the Ecstasy Cd (at brainsync.com) which uses Alpha-Theta brainwave patterns, can be a great tool for erotic self-hypnosis all on it's own. Since hypnosis generally occurs in either alpha or theta state, you might say the Cd guides you into an automatic state of hypnosis.

The traditional use of spoken inductions, progressive relaxation, and eye fixation are all just ways of helping the brain sink (or sync) into a natural alpha state which quiets the critical factor and enhances suggestibility, i.e. hypnosis.

The problem for some folks is that it requires a certain degree of trust to follow the hypnotist's instructions and concentration to create the desired effect. In other words, traditional hypnosis usually requires active effort and participation in order to work effectively.

However brainwave entrainment provides a method of entering hypnosis passively, without effort or concentration. With no words involved, there's nothing to resist or analyze. One need only relax and listen to the music. The brain does the rest.

Another interesting thing about hypnosis is that using vivid imagination to direct your subconscious towards a desired goal can be just as effective, if not more so, than words alone.

Essentially, your subconscious doesn't know the difference between fantasy and reality. It readily accepts them both as equally "real." So the more vividly you imagine the feelings, sensations, and experiences you desire as already being real, the more readily your subconscious will accept them as facts and eventually make them a reality.

The combination of alpha and theta waves used in the Ecstasy Cd enhances creativity and focus, allowing for much more vivid and realistic visualization. At the same time, it enhances the release of pleasure-enhancing endorphins in the brain which helps make those erotic fantasies even more believable. Practiced regularly, the result is a powerfully convincing message to your subconscious - THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I... (use the Aneros, make love to my wife, etc.)

So you don't always have to "tell" your subconscious what you want in words, sometimes you can just "show" it what you want and get the same results. I've found this method especially helpful when I'm having trouble finding just the right words to make a hypnosis script or finding one to match my specific goal.

I have used self-hypnosis and professionally produced Cd's and video hypnosis programs to enhance sexual pleasure in the past, and found them to be incredibly effective. But if you're new to the practice, you may find the Ecstasy Cd to be a great set of training wheels along the way.

And as a final note, I'm not the analytical type, but for some reason when it comes to being hypnotized, I'm extremely picky who's voice it is. I consider recieving hypnosis to be at least as intimate as recieving a full body massage. And frankly, the guy at warpmymind.com just freaks me out.

Personally I'd rather pay the money for a quality recording from Wendi Friesen at www.Wendi.com or Victora Wizel at www.hyptalk.com, they both have wonderful, soothing voices, excellent scripts, and professional credentials. Whenever I really want something quality, I go to them or if all else fails, I just make it myself.

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Originally Posted By: zaneblue
I found out today that I'm way beyond tantric. I thought the tantra people were doing what I'm doing but they aren't--I talked with someone who's gone to all the workshops, etc. He had no idea what I was talking about.

Where do I go to meet men who are really handy with Super-O orgasms, so much so that kundalini rising has been triggered? I'm having intense heart chakra orgasms--along with dozens of female Super-O orgasms just from flexing my PC muscles every day. I want to find someone advanced enough in tantra to be able to feel what I feel. Having regular sex, while certainly fun, isn't very satisfying. Help me please.

Not relevant, but I thought you might be interested in adding to your stock of skills:

http://www.luckymojo.com/tknorthaustin.html

didnt know where else to put it.


   
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I want to vouch for every comment in here.
Thank you sooooo much !

This thread is what single handedly brought me on this website, made me try some eye opening stuff, realize I should buy the Helix to go further, then after I bought it serve as an effective mental guide towards these new Orgasms and spontaneous Oragsms. It is just amazing the quality of the information.

Whenever I try to explain what works for me I end up with what, once I read this thread again, I realise is paraphrasing some of the comments here. And for good reason, because these are the very ideas that clicked with me and always stayed in the back of my head.

I can't believe all this stuff is for real. Then again, I am living it.

Million thanks and respect to you all, especially Zaneblue and Pan.
(Helps a lot there is the angle of both a man and a woman, both pretty advanced)

Edit: sorry for bringing this thread from the dead... It's like I needed to make it a sticky for me... lol


   
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Au contraire Canacan!!

This is a deeply rich resource for many here. Thank you very much for bringing to contemporary attention, where there are many who may have questions and their own experiences to share here!!

As you say, the key postings here are by revered senior members with great experiences and expertise they shared back then, almost a decade ago!! Welcome back all these friends!!!

We have all relied upon B F Mayfield's now famous declaration: "Our Aneros models are our tantric training wheels!" That said in the context of more and more members experiencing the anerosless LESS sessions spontaneously, and ultimately "at will" with the gentlest of intent triggering ecstatic delights.

all the best awakenings to the full orgasmic energies spectrum of possibilities through aneros prostate awakenings all

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Au contraire Canacan!!

We have all relied upon B F Mayfield's now famous declaration: "Our Aneros models are our tantric training wheels!" That said in the context of more and more members experiencing the anerosless LESS sessions spontaneously, and ultimately "at will" with the gentlest of intent triggering ecstatic delights.

Yes...thank you for the input! Not believing I had any "Tantric" experience, I can now connect the dots a bit better because of my Anerosless successes and "at will" sensations I currently get!

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Time for this great conversation to be bumped up again.

It's amazing how every 2 months I read it anew I keep relating to more and more of it, more actually happened to me, more makes sense, more becomes very clear.

Sure, for most beginners, the "Relax, relax, relax more" thread is more helpful... But all in all I can't recommend one more than this one.


   
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@Canacan:Thank you for reviving this gem of a discussion. As a result, I just bought the Neil Slade ebook on Amygdala Tickling as a result. I sat for 30 minutes and read through the entire discussion from June-Aug 2005 with zaneblue, Pan and Mayfield's input. I understood, like zilch, but recognize that there are significant matters being discussed and explained and hope to be able, like you, to absorb more and more.


   
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Bumping this thread.

After making much progress re-wiring want to try to turn my orgasms to a tantric experience. Going to wait about a month before working on this. Just want to enjoy the new skills I've developed in the last few weeks for a while.

Going to spend the next 2-4 weeks experimenting with just normal sex, aless, want to experiment with ways my wife can get pleasures from and used to these multi orgasmic skills I've recently developed. Tried some things last night, this AM she was all smiles. (I had about 15 O's while giving her oral sex)


   
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Time for this great conversation to be bumped up again.

I'll carry the torch on and bump this thread once again. 🙂


   
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