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What you describe sounds exactly like what I've experienced. My anerosless involuntaries started after my 3rd aneros session (about 5 days after buying it). I remember that sitting down would get things going. Sometimes I had to stand to prevent things from getting out of control. If you progress like I have, it will become easier and easier to generate the feelings. And, they will be more under your control. Get yourself ready for a wild ride :).

In terms of muscle involvement...
When I first started, I used to think like this: The aneros wiggles and pushes on stuff which causes orgasms just as rubbing my penis does. Therefore, if I get these feelings without any aneros inserted, it must mean that there's something inside that's pushing on something that the aneros would be pushing on. Well, I don't think it works this way. Based on my experience, something about aneros use "teaches" the nervous system how to generate an orgasm. Once this has been learned, physical stimulation of any type is not necessary. I can't explain why it works this way, but at least for me, it clearly works this way.

I woke up on about day 12 of my Aneros journey, and my pelvis immediately cranked up into an intensive dry O within about three minutes. And then another two minutes later, and then another. I literally said out loud, "Stop, stop!" It was kicking the wind out of me.

Since then, I've occasionally got into the super O zone with nothing inserted, and even more frequently with just lube but no device. The more our muscles learn what they're doing, the less the device is necessary. Though I still use my devices frequently because I can be much more mentally passive (i.e., requiring less concentration to maintain arousal).

I have been experiencing Aneros-less sessions for several weeks now. Most each evening when getting into bed and this morning and hour levitating between dry and super o's. It was great . Then later, while emailing and working on the computer, my balls started buzzing and I felt like it was going to get crazy, but I left the chair and the feelings went away. Then later, driving my car, my prostate started buzzing. I'm also finding that I can make things happen. Pretty cool stuff. It takes a lot MORE concentration to keep things in check. What an interesting journey.

I've experienced similar things...But to me is the most striking is the fact that the penis is flaccid throughout!
And if the penis(unfortunately) does come erect it diminishes the experience. I had this a while back when still struggling, I'd be experiencing increasing pleasure emanating from my prostate and ass and then I'd get a hardun and I'd loose focus, coz an erect penis doesn't just suck up blood but it's like it circuits the orgasmic energy to the lesser of the 2 pleasures.
The same thing I still get with the ksmo occassionally

Additionally I'd say it probably has to do with the fact that the Aneros and the ksmo teach a female orgasm(inwardfocus, receiving pleasure)while the traditional penile orgasm is a male orgasm(outwardfocus, almost goalorientated), of those the female orgasm is by far the more pleasurable, so that's why when the penis becomes erect you automatically shift to the male orgasm which decreases the pleasure.

To follow up your point, Helixer, my goal has long been to experience the dual nature of sexuality at once, both the male's and female's experience simultaneously, and have had quite a bit of luck with it. I find "walking the line" between awareness of my internals and my throbbing erection (when it occurs) to be a particularly divine ecstasy of its own.

Which isn't to rule out your experience, but only to suggest alternatives are possible. Oh, and also to your point, my erection must not be touched, or the shift you described becomes almost impossible to resist.

@Tremelo: This simultaneous orientation is my goal as well, the 'bardo'of the yin and yang is indeed divine as you put it, but, as I described above it's not just focus that gets taken away when your penis becomes engorged(and this as you put it can be 'fixed') but the main problem is the physiological reaction.
This sounds a strange question, but has anyone ever checked to see if the ass gets engorged with blood when the orgasms occur there?
Anyways, following what I mentioned above, the best way, IMO,thus for a 'divine orgasm' would be to have the 'female body' but the male mindset

Hi All!

Great thread! Brings back history here.

I woke up on about day 12 of my Aneros journey, and my pelvis immediately cranked up into an intensive dry O within about three minutes. And then another two minutes later, and then another. I literally said out loud, "Stop, stop!" It was kicking the wind out of me.

Since then, I've occasionally got into the super O zone with nothing inserted, and even more frequently with just lube but no device. The more our muscles learn what they're doing, the less the device is necessary. Though I still use my devices frequently because I can be much more mentally passive (i.e., requiring less concentration to maintain arousal).

Hlaser99 was one of the earlier users to experience the anerosless After Effects, that you guys are describing and he named Chairgasms and Cargasms!! Do a site Search here and find lots of threads and discussions about these delightful phenomena. These are tied to gaining open access to Butt Buzz and being in the O-Zone. Search these too.

Temelo, your sentence:

The more our muscles learn what they're doing, the less the device is necessary.

is right on! Muscle memory is a big part of this, and can be deliberately consciously trained if one understands the process. Search "muscle memory" too. BF Mayfield's iconic phrase here:

Aneros is our Tantric Training Wheels

is also key to this discussion. Search it too.

all the best arrivals at After Effects (sometimes called Day-After Effects, and by Jack Johnston's "Echo Effects" term at KSMO) all

artform

Hi Helixer and Tremelo!! 😀 😀 😀

Great advanced plateau focus you two have shifted to here!!

I've experienced similar things...But to me is the most striking is the fact that the penis is flaccid throughout!
And if the penis(unfortunately) does come erect it diminishes the experience. I had this a while back when still struggling, I'd be experiencing increasing pleasure emanating from my prostate and ass and then I'd get a hardun and I'd loose focus, coz an erect penis doesn't just suck up blood but it's like it circuits the orgasmic energy to the lesser of the 2 pleasures.
The same thing I still get with the ksmo occassionally

Additionally I'd say it probably has to do with the fact that the Aneros and the ksmo teach a female orgasm(inwardfocus, receiving pleasure)while the traditional penile orgasm is a male orgasm(outwardfocus, almost goalorientated), of those the female orgasm is by far the more pleasurable, so that's why when the penis becomes erect you automatically shift to the male orgasm which decreases the pleasure.

A precise essential overview of the core of all of this Helixer, thanks!

To follow up your point, Helixer, my goal has long been to experience the dual nature of sexuality at once, both the male's and female's experience simultaneously, and have had quite a bit of luck with it. I find "walking the line" between awareness of my internals and my throbbing erection (when it occurs) to be a particularly divine ecstasy of its own.

Which isn't to rule out your experience, but only to suggest alternatives are possible. Oh, and also to your point, my erection must not be touched, or the shift you described becomes almost impossible to resist.

Yes Tremelo! Merging fusion or vibratory resonance m/f f/m Yin/Yang... ... ...

@Tremelo: This simultaneous orientation is my goal as well, the 'bardo'of the yin and yang is indeed divine as you put it, but, as I described above it's not just focus that gets taken away when your penis becomes engorged(and this as you put it can be 'fixed') but the main problem is the physiological reaction.
This sounds a strange question, but has anyone ever checked to see if the ass gets engorged with blood when the orgasms occur there?
Anyways, following what I mentioned above, the best way, IMO,thus for a 'divine orgasm' would be to have the 'female body' but the male mindset

Thanks again Helixer!! We are all wandering in the personal variations of this bardo, this interval between states of being, between male and female; this interval that is built into our physiology and our psychology, into our whole phenomenology of being in the world. Interesting that you mention the cock focus happening for you using KSMO. Hlaser99 and other early joint practitioners (Aneros and KSMO) have noted that KSMO Echo Effects tend to be more spiritual than simply sexual and therefore sex role specific.

For those of us older and less cock-centred by age, experience and medications, or for the adventurous youth, The Joyous Soft Penis Sex series in my blog http://www.aneros.com/displayblog.php?id=3544 , including the Male Clitoris Massage, and the Mangina effects, butt perhaps best of all The Master Organist, along with partnered Yin Yang energies exchanging, are all techniques that navigate the pleasures of this grand bardo... ... ...

What your conversation can lead to is a life that not only radically and spiritually reintegrates our erotic/aesthetic/orgasmic-response-range being; butt opens our full bioenergetics capacity.

Not only is prostate massage good prostate health practice, and sexual full-spectrum maturation; butt a natural gateway to whole being bioenergetic physical and mental health: http://www.aneros.com/forum/f5/male-whole-health-ecstatic-cycle-aneros-14737/

This just keeps getting better

Waveseeker, this astounding journey does just that in ways we cannot imagine as we go from plateau to plateau. Thanks again H & T for your enlightened experiences/conversation as a ladder to that next plateau!! And more to come!

all the best adventurous journeys through all these incredible life-time riches all

artform

Helixer, to your question, but I strongly suspect that it's not *only* our penis that gets engorged during sexual arousal of *any* kind. That is, I expect that the whole region behind our shaft and balls is also getting engorged even during "normal sex," much as the female's actual clitoris is MUCH larger than merely the protrusion. I expect our tissues correspond in that way.

It makes sense to me conceptually, and then my experiments with Levitra have seemed to reinforce it. I get extraordinarily heightened arousal withIN during my Levitra sessions, so I assume the whole region is being blood nourished during virtually any kind of sexual arousal.

By the way, it's been largely my (once a month) Levitra sessions that have helped teach me to enjoy the raging erections without undue distraction from the internal activities. Largely because the Levitra increases the inner intimacy so drastically as well. Which all reinforces my assumption of "yes" to your question. I.e., the Levitra is probably just amplifying what occurs during arousal altogether.

Hello Helixer, 🙂

This sounds a strange question, but has anyone ever checked to see if the ass gets engorged with blood when the orgasms occur there?

While I have yet to achieve and experience super-O's. I have found that once after a particularly arousing and stimulating no-Aneros session looking at porn just prior to going into an Aneros session, as I was pre-lubing with my fingers, my anus was particularly hot in temperature like I had never noticed before. This would seem to imply that it was engorged with blood more than it would usually be.

Love_is

Hi Love_is and Tremelo!! 😀 😀 😀

...just prior to going into an Aneros session, as I was pre-lubing with my fingers, my anus was particularly hot in temperature like I had never noticed before. This would seem to imply that it was engorged with blood more than it would usually be.

Love_is, yes, I get this literally hot ass too. And the sphincters, staying at normal closed-while-relaxed rather than clenching in sych with forming and erection, swell somewhat enlarging and opening the portal to easier pleasurable insertion.

Tremelo, thanks for the Levitra recommendation. Sounds much better than the Viagra headache! 🙁 You are certainly right about the clitoris, and your analogy IMHO.

all the best whole pelvic orgasmic system sensitivities and sensations all

artform

@artform:

Interesting that you mention the cock focus happening for you using KSMO. Hlaser99 and other early joint practitioners (Aneros and KSMO) have noted that KSMO Echo Effects tend to be more spiritual than simply sexual and therefore sex role specific

It's not intentional, so I wouldn't call it cock-focus, but accidental! Sometimes when making the ks I feel my penis twich and pleasure energy engorging my penis making it hard.The point I was really trying to make is, for me at least, I experience the orgasmic energy much more intense when my penis is limp, which to me makes sense(female orgasm)

What your conversation can lead to is a life that not only radically and spiritually reintegrates our erotic/aesthetic/orgasmic-response-range being; butt opens our full bioenergetics capacity

Perhaps a little premature to suggest but I feel that this combining of male-female into one can do more in regards to spiritual awakening than years of meditation, praying etc; they can all get you into the 'bardo' but the Aneros kinda jumpstarts your ass there. Many Aneros users have reported this sense of spirituality and the sense of beatitude(i.e. extreme gratitude) this to me is a few stages short of enlightenment or continuous bliss.

As Al Ghazali says in Alchemy of Happiness, "our body and our soul is analogus to a horse and its rider" even David Hume, ubersceptic said something similar. Our consciousness is our link to our soul and our soul is our link to the all encompassing consciousness(i.e. God)
I feel the ksmo and the Aneros help us get in touch with our spirituality, perhaps coz then it's not so much a 'belief' but a 'conviction'.

@Tremelo: What I was really trying to suggest is that like when the penis gets engorged(and the balls etc) is that perhaps the same thing happens to the ass with the female orgasm. I'd find it strange if both areas got engorged! To me it makes sense it's either...or...not and and....And these to me are the basic areas, otherwise wouldn't a whole body orgasm be a sight to behold!

Not sure I follow. Do you mean that our ass gets engorged during female-like orgasms, or their asses are getting engorged during their orgasms? (I certainly wouldn't rule out the latter, as sphincter pulsation is the lowest common denominator of orgasm altogether.)

In any case, with their greater clitoral mass in mind (and a friend of mine who describes feeling "a raging throbbing hard on" in her entire clitoral mass when she's really aroused), I've come to think of our dicks as our "clitoral protrusions" and our prostate mass as the "inner greater clitoris," and thereby their mutual engorgement potential as not at all contradictory or at odds. And my experiences with this have been fantastic.

@Tremelo: It's probably absurd, but the way I picture it is your ass'lips' as the labia, that when asshorney/cumming get engorged with blood as well as the inside of your ass, that that's where the blood goes when youre having a female orgasm(resulting in a limp dick)..When you're engaging in traditional activity then the blood flows to your penis instead(erection).

As far as the comparison goes with females.I know male and female more or less started out the same, but like our breasts(their tits can be milked while ours can't)things kind of changed a long the way. Most women can have multiple orgasms naturally by stimilating their chlitoris while only a handful of men can do this naturally with their penis. Their g-spot is in their vagina while ours is in our ass, etc.
This is why I think that their 'blended orgasms'(gspot-chlitoral)have a different effect than males do . Perhaps if their g-spot was in their ass, so it would get directly stimulated as well as the ass and her chlitoris was exactly like the male penis(naturally not multi orgasmic and perhaps even ejaculate) then maybe I would agree.

But sure, I agree, even blended orgasms(prostate echo and penile stimulation) is a great sensation and a nice intermezzo for the real fireworks when returning to prostate anal stimulation(female orgasm)

I see. I have no idea if the asshole gets engorged or not. My guess is no, but it's only a guess. But if it does, it doesn't seem that it would be a "distracting" engorgement, since the asshole is already an essential component of orgasm (for both genders) anyway.

... As far as the comparison goes with females.I know male and female more or less started out the same, but like our breasts(their tits can be milked while ours can't)things kind of changed a long the way. ...

Helixer,

Please get your facts clear, this is not an accurate statement. Men can and do lactate, there are numerous sources on the internet with examples showing this and explaining this common ability. This short video on Breastfeeding Men is but one example.

Functional mammary glands are one of the androgynous aspects of the human species. You may wish to read more about our androgynous female partners in Male/Female Androgyny

@Rumel:

From wiki:

Though the mammary glands of human males do not produce milk automatically under normal conditions, with appropriate hormonal stimulus—mimicking that which human females produce naturally when they become pregnant and give birth—they can

Ok,I'll rephrase:

male's breasts, UNDER NORMAL CONDITIONS, can't be milked.

I confess I really didn't know this, I've seen men with breasts the size of watermellons. I've even seen women with dicks and men with vaginas, but seeing breastfeeding men is a curiosity that thankgod up until now I've been spared!

artform:

Yes Tremelo! Merging fusion or vibratory resonance m/f f/m Yin/Yang

So doesn't that then mean that the spirituality you feel with your wife is an adulteration of your own spirituality?

Helixer,

Please get your facts clear, this is not an accurate statement. Men can and do lactate, there are numerous sources on the internet with examples showing this and explaining this common ability. This short video on Breastfeeding Men is but one example.

Functional mammary glands are one of the androgynous aspects of the human species. You may wish to read more about our androgynous female partners in Male/Female Androgyny

Wow just watched that link Rumel. I was not aware that this was possible. You learn something new everyday.

Wow just watched that link Rumel. I was not aware that this was possible. You learn something new everyday.

Yeah it's like women that want to be like men take steroids, men appear to now be able to partly turn themselves into females with the right type of hormones...have milking titties...
Maybe in the future, with the right type of pill men can even shit out a baby, oh happy day 🙁

In fact male and female might have something else in common. The female g-spot is in the vagina, they suspect the reason it has evolved there was to make the childbaring more bearable. The male g-spot(prostate) is located up the bunghole. Now, last night as I was Super O-ing I understood I would have even more intense orgasms by mind-ialising, now the orgasmic muscles had been warmed up and would be ready for anything I could picture stimulating inside me.
So last night I drew on this thought of visualizing actually having something inside my asshole that was the size of a tiny baby(yeah I know it's physically impossible) that was pushing inside me touching all those sensative, pleasurable spots, the extreme pressure building up of something so large stretching you out almost to breaking point and then the associated relief of feeling this large object being pushed out. How you feel it sliding out over those orgasmically charged sensitive areas.....mmm, I can see why women like shitting out babies coz it feels so good