Think I may be using a model that's TOO LONG...

I'm sorry you are having trouble it sucks. I'm still going at this myself so not sure how much help I can be. All the aneros models are insertable of 4" with the exception of the tempo which is 3.75" insertable and the progasm's which are 4.5" insertable. So maybe aneros models might not be for you. I'm not saying you dont know your own body but I have never heard of anyone being able to hit their prostate with there thumb. Maybe you are mistaking the feeling of anal pleaaure rather than than prostate pleasure. Like I said I dont know just throwing that out there. Also you mentioned you dont have 6 hours for this. I'm sorry to say you can not rush it it takes what it takes. I have been at this for 3 years. Just over the last 3 month have I been able to get really good consistent feeling with each session. It takes me about an hour just to loosen up and get anywhere than it's usually a few more hours. On average my sessions are about 3 hours. Everyone is wired differently and rewires differently. Some men get lucky pop one in and they are off to a super o. Unfortunately not me and it sounds like you as well. Best advise I can give is dont rush it. Relax and let it be what it is. Make sure you have a least a few hours for a session. Dont force anything or try to chase the dream. Trust me I did and waisted almost 3 years. It wasnt till I learned to just say fuck it. Whatever happens happens. I will just keep trying. And they get better each time. If you dont have the time or patience I would say this isnt for you. But you are missing a great experience. This is nothing like a women sliding in a vibrator and humming n buzzing to ecstasy in 5 mins.

Here is the ultimate issue. When I forget about doing the kegels and breathing ND relaxing and waiting and more waiting etc, and I just basically fuck myself with it while jerking off, angling the maximus down towards my prostate, I get an awesome feeling by jamming it into my prostate and it makes coming more pleasurable. Am I missing the mark, am I getting models too long entirely? ...The only thing that works is manually directing it in and out of my ass.

This sounds to me like you are trying to use an Aneros as if it were a dildo, this is probably not going to get any better for you if that is the case. It is possible your body has located your prostate closer to the anus than is normal.

Somebody give me some advice that doesn't include turning the lights down low, listening to Yanni, and trying to barely move for 8 hours with this piece of plastic up my ass for a year before I feel anything. I don't have time for that shit, I work. ... am not using these with a partner. She hates my guts and I'm living alone in a permanent state of apathy, so I just want to make the most out of the few ejaculations I have left before I lose what's left of my mind.

You are probably not going to like my advice but since you asked, here it is.

First, if your prostate is unusually close to your anus, a shorter model may work better as you suspect. You might consider getting the SGX model, this model is 1/2" shorter than the the MGX and was designed with men under 5'-7" in mind. You also might consider trying the High Island Health model 950 which is even shorter yet than the MGX by almost an inch. However, neither model is intended to be used in a manual manner as you have been doing. They may not prove any more effective for you because of your current usage technique.

Second,

...I'm sorry to say you can not rush it it takes what it takes. I have been at this for 3 years. Just over the last 3 month have I been able to get really good consistent feeling with each session. It takes me about an hour just to loosen up and get anywhere than it's usually a few more hours. ...Everyone is wired differently and rewires differently. ... Best advise I can give is dont rush it. Relax and let it be what it is. Make sure you have a least a few hours for a session. Dont force anything or try to chase the dream. Trust me I did and waisted almost 3 years. It wasnt till I learned to just say fuck it. Whatever happens happens. I will just keep trying. And they get better each time. If you dont have the time or patience I would say this isnt for you.

I agree with @Dogmen 's 'lessons learned', the Aneros journey is more than a physical experience, it requires a paradigm shift in thinking about orgasm and requires an appropriate attitude to make that shift. I don't think you are quite ready yet to make that shift. You may find reading the thread Identifying Obstacles to Progress an eye opener as well. Good Vibes to You !

This is going to be long so I want to jump straight to the fact that I can relate to many of the things you have said. I also want to say up front that you shouldn't give up on prostate message / Aneros devices just yet. I don't know if your anatomy is different (it probably isn't) and that the devices really aren't hitting your prostate, and I can't say whether or not you will ever get the pleasure you want from them. The only way to find out is going to take some changes in your perspective, your expectations, and yes it is going to take some time and patience. But you don't need to have multi-hour sessions. You don't need to buy any other devices right now. You don't need to try every position imaginable and probably don't need to kegel ("suck it in") yourself to death. You don't need to develop any spirituality and you don't need to be in a trance (though that can help).

I too found prostate massage via desperation. I'm 41 and I haven't had sex in over 15 years, and I can count on one hand the amount of times I have had sex. This isn't by choice but due to my personality and various life experiences / issues that are immaterial to this conversation. But suffice to say, I know very well the suffering that comes from lack of pleasure and companionship, and the frustration of pleasuring yourself not feeling good anymore. It's happened to me a number of times in my life and at the time I discovered Aneros I was at one of my lowest points. Masturbation was pretty much just a release without pleasure, I pretty much felt I would never meet / date / sleep with a woman again, and out of desperation I decided to give sex toys one last chance. This decision was made even bigger for me since at the time I was in debt up to my eyes so buying anything not necessary to life was not something I had been doing. I was planning on getting a Fleshlight, I had one a long time ago and remember it worked well, but I had since gotten rid of the first one. While looking at their site I saw the Aneros devices and did some reading about prostate pleasure and decided to give it a try, in addition to getting a Fleshlight. I also told myself these would be the last toys I ever buy if they didn't work out. And had they not worked out I probably would have lost what is left of my mind as well.

I'm not going to go too in depth with my experiences but will go over a few bits, again to show that I have been through similar experiences and tried similar things as you have. My first device was the Helix Syn and my first experience with it was interesting but not really pleasurable. I was determined to make it work though so I used it for a couple of hours every night for the next week straight. Each time I felt something but not really pleasure. At the end of a week I masturbated, which felt better than usual but didn't make up for not having better results with the Helix. I took a few days off before trying again and after more unimpressive sessions I started manually manipulating the Helix. I was definitely able to feel things better doing this but it still wasn't really the pleasure I was looking for or expecting, and it took quite a bit of effort for that little bit of return. I wouldn't learn this for many more months but this is one of the first things to make note of, prostate pleasure is not something that can be forced. Yes, you can push harder and manually drain fluids from your prostate (which to some degree might be pleasurable), but that isn't the same thing as actually having a pleasurable session. After a couple more weeks of trying out the Helix without much progress I too bought a new, larger device. I went with the Progasm, which I admit was mostly because I got it on sale. Yes, I broke my own rule of not buying another toy because I was that desperate and because I was feeling the potential with the Helix, it just wasn't getting me there. But I was also still in the mindset of forcing the pleasure. So after using the Progasm a few times and getting nothing more, I again started manually manipulating it, trying to force things to happen. And then I hurt myself, bad enough that I very nearly went to see a doctor. I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to be talking to my doctor about how I hurt myself with a sex toy, especially not in the rather conservative area I live in. And this was when my mindset finally started to change, and probably about the same time I started actually reading this forum.

Fast forward to today and the quality of my sessions has gone up and become more regular. There have been ups and downs along they way, including a couple of months where I wasn't getting anything from the devices, but for the most part I am now able to have a very pleasurable session with very little effort. I almost never do kegels, I usually lay in only one position for the entire session, I am not into all the spirituality that often pops up in this forum (nothing wrong with it, just not my mindset), and I don't like doing deep breathing exercises (though I will say breathing matters). And while I do still sometimes have sessions for a couple of hours I often start to feel pleasure within about 10 minutes and most of my sessions I choose to end after only about an hour (despite still feeling pleasure - but like you I got stuff to do!). I have gotten into meditation which I feel helped me to progress a great deal and I would recommend it but I also don't think it's necessary for success. My main reason for practicing meditation was because I have the type of brain that won't stop reliving everything that I did on any given day, which then leads to thoughts from past days / months / years. I have always had trouble sleeping because of this and given that Aneros sessions are of a similar vein I had the same problem in that once I closed my eyes my mind wouldn't shut up.

Here's my advice for you in no particular order, and this is in no way an exhaustive list. I am not a scientist nor well versed in anatomy but I am looking at this from a pragmatic perspective, not spiritual, even if some of it might sound or be in a similar vein as spirituality. These are my interpretations of my experiences combined with the many (many) things I've read.

- This bit of advice is probably going to suck the most, but don't worry about feeling pleasure right now. From what I've read and from my own experiences the vast majority of us won't reach a level of pleasure for many weeks, if not months worth of proper sessions. There are some here who have spent many years of regular use getting to a point where they feel pleasure. I know you say you've had the devices for over a year but I think a couple of things have held you back from achieving the type of progress we desire, those being your mindset and your somewhat irregular session schedule.

If you are always thinking "this is going to feel awesome" and it doesn't, then you are going to get discouraged every time it doesn't feel good and want to give up. There are a lot of posts that say you should go into a session with no expectations, I don't entirely agree with that from a semantics point of view, but I do agree that if your expectations are too high you will be disappointed, especially when you haven't achieved a certain level of regular success.

Don't get hung up on sessions where you don't feel anything. I used to have many more bad sessions than good sessions (which I'm sure is true for the majority of Aneros users) and I would get frustrated by that. Then I stopped worrying about it so much and decided whatever happens, happens. Consider the time spent a nice break from everything else, and if you also get some pleasure out of it that's a bonus.

- Your prostate and brain need to learn to understand the feelings from the device. I think part of the reason we don't feel much to start is a combination of the prostate not being familiar with being touched and the brain not understanding how to interpret the feelings when the prostate is touched. This is where patience comes in, because first you have to let your prostate get used to the physical feelings, then you have to be able to recognize those feelings, which then lets your brain begin to understand what you are feeling. As time goes by the feelings will become stronger and you will feel them in different areas, and from time to time you might get a little jolt of pleasure. I took it a step further to try to help my brain progress by not only focusing on those feelings when they happened but also by telling myself things like "brain that is pleasure" or "mental note, that felt really good", even when it was just a subtle feeling. Honestly I felt a little silly doing that, but conditioned responses are proven scientifically (Pavlovs dogs) and I was trying to reinforce these new feelings to myself. You don't want to force the feelings or manufacture fake conditioning responses, but I think positive reinforcement is worthwhile.

Looking at it another way, think of this like learning to throw with your non-dominant hand. You can probably do it right now but not very well and it will feel awkward, and you won't get much better nor have that awkward feeling go away after just a few attempts. But with enough practice (and the right type of practice) you can probably learn to throw pretty well with your non-dominant hand and not feel awkward doing it. I think the same is true for prostate pleasure.

- Try to have more regular sessions, if you can do a few each week, and be consistent with it. I wouldn't worry too much about how long they are, I do think 30 minutes to an hour is a good session length but even just 15 or 20 minutes at a time will add up, it just might take more sessions overall before anything really changes in your body. When I first started I was going every day for an hour or two at a time and while I don't know if there can be any sort of physical risk of overdoing it I do think that you need to give your brain and body a little time to process things. Any other type of training we do, whether physical or mental, we are always told to have rest periods to let ourselves recuperate, and I think that applies here as well. It might apply even more given that we are doing both physical and mental training at the same time. After taking a few days off I found my sensitivity levels were higher and sessions felt better.

- I'm surprised this wasn't already mentioned and it might also be something you won't like, but don't ejaculate for extended periods of time (at the least, don't masturbate during the same session / day). I'm not into chastity or semen retention in general but since starting with Aneros devices and based on the many posts here about it, I have gone extended periods of time without ejaculating and it definitely makes a difference in your body's arousal and sensitivity levels. I think this is more valid of a practice early on in your Aneros use but still applies even once you're further along and having consistent good sessions. I've gotten to a point now where I can have good sessions just a day or two after ejaculating, but for the first year and a half it would take at least a week or so after ejaculating for my prostate to feel really sensitive / aroused again.

- You will need to learn to relax and just let things happen. This goes back to the fact that you can't really force your prostate to orgasm. In my experience, trying harder physically does create stronger feelings but those feelings are much less likely to lead to pleasure. This was reinforced for me about a year ago when I was on vacation and didn't have a device with me but was having some strong feelings in my prostate. At first I tried jamming a finger into my prostate and rubbing it with a fair amount of pressure not unlike masturbating, which felt ok but didn't induce any orgasms. After a couple of days doing that I decided to try using my finger more like how I thought the Aneros worked, so I just placed it up against my prostate with a light amount of pressure and left it sitting there. Within a few minutes I had an orgasm. The prostate seems to prefer a lighter tickle more than a deep tissue massage. So don't worry about doing any kegels, just lay back and enjoy the break in your day and see what develops.

- Even after you've trained your prostate and brain, after you've started having good sessions on a regular basis, you will have slumps. After about a year and a half I got to a point where almost every session felt good, not always great, but certainly worthwhile. Then all of a sudden the pleasure just stopped for no apparent reason and it took a couple of months before they got good again. Fortunately I'd learned of other ways to get pleasure so I spent that time practicing them, such as edging (I never imagined I'd be able to masturbate almost non-stop for an hour!) and meditating (which at that time was being very pleasurable but now I'm struggling with a little).

- If you are open to it I highly recommend practicing meditation. This doesn't have to be a spiritual thing, to me Chakras are nerve clusters and "moving energy" around in your body is mentally focusing on those nerve clusters to induce a physical reaction in them. Everything you feel is controlled by your brain, so if you are able to convince your brain that you should feel something then you will actually feel it (easier said then done!). I actually started meditating not for physical pleasure reasons but to just try to stop my brain from having a million thoughts a minute, so that I could better relax during a session (or when trying to sleep). I have had success with that but it's gone even further on a couple of occasions. Some of my most pleasurable sessions have been due completely to meditating, without any devices or other toys. If a 45+ minute long intense full body orgasm sounds good to you, you should start practicing meditation.

So there you go, this is probably more than I've typed out in all my other posts combined. I've admitted to some things here that I haven't told anyone else because I've been where you are (though I got there through a different route) and I know how much it sucks. I also know things can get better. If you give it a chance it will likely get better. If you give it enough time and proper practice, it will probably get really good. But you need to realize it is going to take time and don't force things. I probably have forgotten some things but it's 2:45am and I might just be tired enough to actually get to sleep. Or maybe I'll go try meditating a little, I haven't done that in awhile. 😉

@0N33Y3DW1LLY I would "second" @rumel's recommendation of either the SGX or the HIH 950. I have both and each one is capable of greater things than their appearance would belie. IMHO, try the HIH 950. It is actually one of my most favorite Aneros models. You may be quite surprised at the results. PS The cost of the HIH 950 is $40! Please don't give up just yet! Good luck!

@ihave2cats A word of advice to you: Please don't stop posting! Your clear thoughts and writing style are a winning combination! Your detailed insights demonstrate your knowledge and familiarity with Aneros prostate massage. I for one would enjoy reading more of your posts here!

Now that it's daytime and I'm well rested I feel inclined to add a little more detail on a couple of the things I said, mostly for other newer Aneros users besides the OP who might read this thread and be confused or question other things they've read on the forums.

Kegels
My comments were mainly in regards to the OPs concern that he had to physically manipulate the device in order to feel anything, be it with the recommended Kegels or the not recommended by hand moving of the device. There are plenty of posts here that show the effectiveness of using Kegels during a session for many people, so I don't contest that they do work. I only wanted to point out to the OP that Kegels or any other manual manipulation of the device is not necessary to still have very pleasurable sessions. I do think Kegels are a good practice to partake in and while I very rarely use Kegels during an Aneros session, I will do them during A-less sessions to add a little more physical movement that is missing by not using a device.

Positions
There are many different positions that people have posted about and while I have no doubt that any one of those positions can work or even enhance the feelings for some, I think the most important position to start with is the one you feel the most comfortable laying in for an extended period of time. I find laying flat on my back with my legs extended (mostly) straight out on the bed is my number one position, followed very closely by laying on my side cuddling / spooning a body pillow (with the pillow between my legs, mostly because I don't like my knees knocking against each other). Those are also the two positions I most often sleep in. I have tried a lot of other positions as well and some have worked for me while others haven't, but none of them have really allowed me to just relax and enjoy the pleasure for an extended period of time like being on my back or on my side have. So basically, don't feel like you have to try all the different positions people post about hunting for just the right one, just start off with the position that allows you to relax the most, and a good starting place for that are the positions you sleep in. After you've made good progress and are able to have regular pleasurable sessions in your one or two favorite positions, then consider playing with some other different positions to see if they enhance your sessions.

Spirituality / Meditation
One of the reasons I haven't posted more is because I often feel a little at odds with many of the most regular posters in that I am not a spiritual person, and many of the posts (whether intentional or not) come across in a spiritual way. To those not spiritual this can be a little off putting or even intimidating (I know you guys don't mean for it to be). As I said before I don't think spirituality or meditation are necessary for a successful session, but I also think either one can be used to enhance your Aneros sessions and in the case of meditation (whether there is a spiritual belief in it or not), used independently without a device as it's own session. I know some are probably thinking it so I also want to say that for me there is a difference between a pleasurable meditation session and an A-less session. As many of the more experienced here will understand it's a little hard to explain other than to say it just feels different, the route that takes me to the pleasure is different, and I haven't seen many people post about meditation sessions so I don't know if this is true for others as well. Anyway, there is no denying that our brains can do some pretty amazing things when we convince it to do so, to believe what we are telling it / asking of it. For me this belief is not spiritual but primarily scientific, for some it is spiritual, and for others it may be a little of both.

Breathing
I have tried a few different breathing techniques and I prefer to let my body and how I'm feeling in the moment dictate how I breath (for the most part). I've never liked the lightheaded feeling you get such as when you are hanging upside down and that to me is how some of the different breathing techniques make me feel. Others may like that feeling, much like the oft mentioned runners high (which again, I've never liked, even though I don't mind running). That said, I do practice diaphragmatic breathing and recommend it in your daily life as it's just a better way to breath in general. And that style of breathing tends to be deeper as well, but for me it doesn't feel forced (once I got used to it) and at least in the midst of a session I don't want to have to think about how I'm breathing, only that I am breathing - which is probably the most important part...don't hold your breath!

To sum all of this up, I am a proponent of do what feels most natural and comfortable to you. Especially for those just getting started, don't get caught up on all the different things that others are doing (who are likely further along than you are), just keep things simple, don't overdo / overthink it, and you will likely find success. All of those different techniques may (or may not) help enhance your sensations, but when you are just getting started the single most important technique to practice is patience.

Hey @ihave2cats ,

I agree with @goldenboy : you should partake in the forum more actively. It was a pleasure to read your remarks.

Cheers, Unfug

Hi all
I had more good times in the first week than this last three weeks and all wen dropping of to sleep and the very best in the middle of the night that one was fantastic nearly blew mi mind and lasted for quite a long time longer wood be nice . but not so good sins .but for me this is a big bonus as having a prostecomy I didn't think this possible.i wood like to talk to another .in the same position .as me. please excuse spelling as I am dyslectic as well.