The Key to sexual stimulation freedom (ie. no risk of ejaculation and still get the cookie)

@jmay, I tried this method a few times yesterday. Let me preface this with the fact that I have always used the do nothing approach but have tried muscle contractions now and again. I have a pretty good feel for the muscles we are talking about and can contract the back pc muscle seperatly from the front one. So holding a contraction on the back pc muscle and anal contraction i started getting nothing but pleasureable feelings just like a normal less session, lots of precum leaking, eventually a couple of large involuntary contractions. I did get a hard on at one point and played around with it, but wasnt really sure what else to do from there. Eventually the feelings were lost and never did get any uncomfortable feelings. Any suggestions? I did notice when I had a hard on that it was more difficult to tell if I was still holding the contraction and if it was just the back and not both the front and back pc muscles.

Personally, when trying another approach (I got to think a bit how I used to do it... I'm hooked on this method) I have lots of precum leaking. In fact one thing that changed a lot for me was that. I used to start aneros sessions with a little traditional stimulation and then use the precum as lube, it worked great. Halfway during the session I'd use the precum that I released as lube again, ad infinitum.

Now when trying this one I've realised that I release no precum. What happens is that excitation levels rise, I feel more and more aroused, and eventually when orgasmic feelings start, I can sustain the orgasmic "peak" for a loooong time, with no ejaculation whatsoever. It's like turning the volume up and keep it up, going in a traditional penile stimulation frenzy that helps me maintain the orgasm, and then you can actually explore the "orgasm zone", things can get pretty intense but your base pleasure level becomes the first pleasure level. If I release any amount of precum before multiple orgasms start I know I went somewhere along the way to the wrong path. I get an orgasm much more intense that with traditional masturbation, but I still ejaculate... now that I think of it, I can ejaculate many times if I keep going, it takes some concentration but I can have many orgasms with no refractory period. I'd call it a "halfway method", I get intense orgasms, not as intense as the other ones but much more intense than the "traditional" mono orgasm.

As insight... I'm guessing you're clenching too strong your PC muscles. You actually have to vary pressure, try 30% contraction, see how it feels, 40%, see how it feels... etc. You do a full contraction when you want to push energy up your spine. Just picture it, be aware of your whole spine and head, sometimes it happens that I feel nothing on my spine but it already reached my head. The feeling on the spine may happen later during the session.

You've certainly started something off here for me, with the "relax the BC, contract the PC" idea.

In shower today I did this in conjunction with some nipple stim, alternating between penis and nipples for a few minutes. At no point did I feel near the point of no return, but there were ripples of pleasure spreading out through my body.

Much later on, having only recently been for a pee, I was driving and without thinking did the same contraction. I had the "uncomfortable" feeling similar to wanting to pee, but it was subtly different and on the edge of pleasure/discomfort, even possibly nausea.

More experimentation needed! 😉

I'm actually very happy for thatbe sure to tell us any updates or new findings you can come up with!

if someone would write a dumbed down version, that would be great. am i just contracting the anal muscle and behind(towards tailbone)- not the perineum . Then those muscles both stims the prostate and forces it up the spine?

What travels up the spine is a kind of sweet blood flow, pleasurable flow of something... it could be also felt like warmth, a ticklish feeling, electricity, it can provoke shivers too.

Be sure to play with different amounts of pressure. I feel most discomfort with the almost slightest pressure.

@jmay I realized I have had this exact feeling before. The electricity feeling took complete control of my lower half but never went up my spine. I'm going to keep working on this. Honestly, your idea has me more excited than I have ever been before! Thanks dude!

@MMO_RPGlol

You're welcome!
Two more things to add to the mix. After enough "relax BC, contract PC" play, eventually your penis will start to get erect. If you just keep relaxing BC, contracting PC, you won't get a full erection. Maybe you can keep doing that all the time and no full erection ill happen, just a halfway erection. When you realise nothing else is changing much in your penis, start soft, slight, controled stimulation. Things are still not ready, I'm guessing you already got used to feed pleasurable energy to your body while flaccid, now it's time to do it while halfway and then fully erect. After you are able to feed pleasure to your body during different erection stages you'll be in control.
The other thing that I wanted to add is that maybe one day you don't feel in tune with your body, if so, don't get frustrated, always enjoy the ride, if you and your body are not disposed today to practice this, it will happen tomorrow. Sometimes you just feel ready to start doing this. Other times it takes more concentration, it still can be done, but it takes more time too.

This all sounds a little like the "hot draw".

I think I'm on the right track. I've isolated the PC muscle from the pee control muscle. I get uncomfortable pleasure that becomes pleasurable as I continue. It flows down to my toes and up to my nipples. My penis gets hard but not like it's needing anything. But I don't get any feelings of energy or pleasure to my head other than the pleasure that is already there because of what I'm doing. Perhaps this is what people are talking about but there's no orgasm, just continued pleasure. The "avoiding the pee control muscle" thing seems to keep the pleasure going indefinitely and my body below my nipples is very sexualized, but no further. I find the snake movements most useful and picturing the sexual energy rising to my head. But no orgasms.

Someone said:

"You are opening a new pathway for orgasmic pleasure to flow, so that you can orgasm inwards up your spine, to your brain and through your whole body. ·When your nervous system is charged up, it's on, it can process this powerful orgasmic energy, so when you stimulate your penis, when orgasm comes, instead of being expelled outwards, it travels inwards."

Are these dry orgasms that you are referring to? I assume so. So by this statement, my whole body isn't eroticised and that's why I'm not getting the dry O's. What am I missing?

Someone said:

"Pure pleasure as I was refering to, is penile stimulation without that feeling of "If I keep doing this I will ejaculate", so there's no need to hold back. It's paradise, you can masturbate all you want and from there create orgasmic currents that flow up your spine, to your brain and expand throughout your entire body."

I get get the whole body orgasm current thing and it's great. It lasts for hours after a session with or without the aneros. Is that all there is?

The description of this effects of this technique sounds like the kundalini process to me. Not the full kundalini awakening but the drawing of the energy up the spine to the head. Anyone knowledgeable in kundalini out there?

@euphemistic

Do you remember old televisions? I think they used cathodes that should gain some temperature first before the TV was on, it took some time, though. I think you are in that stage just before the screen turns on and the tv starts working.
When in that state that you're describing, try a little more agressive stimulation, but don't let yourself go yet, go slowly, if it gets too good too soon you won't get it. Instead of spending all that build up pleasure right away, you feed it yet again to your body. After doing that, carefuly, eventually you reach a point somewhere when you feel that you can let go and do whatever you please because there's zero risk of ejaculation, you just know you've reached that point. I think what you're missing now is recognize that next phase.
The orgasmic pleasure can get pretty intense, make your whole body spasm, your eyes may look upwards involuntarily, you need to feel something against you and touch it, be it your partner, the bed, or whatever. Things can get pretty lovey dovey too.

Just pay attention, don't try to feel anything specific, it helps if you picture some things in your mind, but that's just to help yourself pay more attention. Don't expect anything in particular, your body during arousal feels very different than your body cooled down, even your pinky finger, just pay attention, you'll know where to go next by how it feels.

I've never gotten into kundalini, but it has come to my mind while doing this too. I'd also like to know if this is related to that practice.

Hello guys,

I hope you all are well, It's been some time since I was here 🙂

I think this is very interesting, but I have some question.

When using the PC muscle, am I suppose to use the outher spinchter to?
And am I suppose to contract and release like the Kegel or contract and hold to that weird feeling come and then try to pusch it up the spine (and with which muscle do I do that)?

I really dont get this 🙂

If you guys feel like explaining it in steps I would really appriciate it to specify exact which muscles you use and which to avoid. It's me who is dumb. So sorry for that.

Malmo

@Malmo

You can use the outer sphincter too, in fact if you hold a contraction eventually it feels really good on its own, the anus is full of happy nerve endings, and it has nothing to do with being gay or straight.
It's a combination of muscles or movements you have to do to push the feeling up the spine. I can't really describe which muscles are they, but take a look at this image

PC muscles, a side view. I think you have to contract only those on the back, and the one that's under the penis you can contract it only slightly (a twitch) I can't stress that enough (though at first don't contract it at all, first get to know the other ones). If you contract the BC muscle too much, you'll get an erection before your whole body is ready. Try to differentiate between the muscle that's under the penis and the one that's on top. If you can contract only the one that's on top and leave the one on the bottom relaxed you should be able to do it IMHO.


As a rule of thumb: Allow pleasure to grow. When you allow someone or something to be on its own, that's what you do, you give it space, time and tools to express itself. When using the BC muscle you are not allowing pleasure to be, you are forcing it on your penis. Once everything is warmed up and set up, then you can force your penis, but don't forget the rest of your body, be always aware, eventually you'll be able to lose yourself in pleasure.
What I'm trying to say with that is that everything is allowed, except forcing pleasure down your penis, so don't overthink it (which muscles should I contract?), just try all that you can come up with, try slight contractions, half contractions, full contractions. Slight sustained contractions, slight but short contractions, etc.
You have to give your body the chance to find what is pleasurable for it. The pleasure that is felt through the penis is much "louder" than the pleasure that your body feels, so first your body then your penis.



When you've done it right, if you touch your penis it will be extra sensitive, but not in an uncomfortable way, you can actually feel a clear difference between what your skin feels, how pressure feels, how its shape feels, etc. It's kind of like... much more awake, and it's not "stressed" with pleasure.


Think of this as a sport, an ability where you involve everything: your concentration, your muscles, your heart rate, your breath, etc.
You can reach higher levels of pleasure, I guarantee that to you, but you can't be the best martial artist in the world without practicing before (that is, getting to know your body, getting to feel your body, getting to move your body, etc.)

This all sounds a little like the "hot draw".

Which one?

@JMay - Thank you for writing this up. Much like Darwin mentioned, as a long time Aneros user I knew there had to be some way this was possible for penile stimulation to not cause ejaculation. As there are a few members here in the forum who have gone that route. But I don't think they were ever able to explain in such detail how they do it without ejaculating. I'd have to say though, that I don't think I'd recommend your technique for new Aneros users. As there is too much ingrained training of us men getting pleasure from our penis's that some can't, or have a very difficult time discovering the other pleasures from their anus and prostate. I was one of these. It took me a long time to get to where I am of enjoying pleasurable, although non-orgasmic Aneros sessions.

The thing to remember that has taken me a long time to figure out, is that everybody's body has different sexual responses. While I'm still hesitant to recommend your technique to new Aneros users, I certainly understand that my Aneros experience is not necessarily the same as some other guy's. Hence why we encourage so much exploration during Aneros sessions to find what does work for you. It's just that in my own experience, the pleasure generated from stimulating my penis over powers and covers up what I'm feeling in my anus and prostate.

@Love_is

You're welcome! 🙂

Yes, I wouldn't recommend these techniques to beginners, looking back in the day it would've been impossible for me to do this I think...
Men need to work their sexual muscles.

Try to do this in one breath cycle.

Inhale -> energy up the spine and to the head
exhale -> energy down your throat, heart, lungs, tummy and back to the penis

The clearer those pathways are, the less risk of ejaculation there is. If you just focus on your penis you'll ejaculate everytime pleasure goes up a notch. The idea is to heighten pleasure everytime without ejaculating when that happens.
Eventually you reach a state where energy just knows where to flow, automatically, and you won't ejaculate unless you break your "auto-trance" pleasure state.

Jmay said:
"Do you remember old televisions? I think they used cathodes that should gain some temperature first before the TV was on, it took some time, though. I think you are in that stage just before the screen turns on and the tv starts working."

I'm waiting for the picture and just before it comes on, it turns into the test pattern. I've been reading the posts in this thread and finding useful information. I'm trying everything.

Jmay said:
"When you've done it right, if you touch your penis it will be extra sensitive, but not in an uncomfortable way, you can actually feel a clear difference between what your skin feels, how pressure feels, how its shape feels, etc. It's kind of like... much more awake, and it's not "stressed" with pleasure."

I get to a point where the pleasure is the most I've ever experienced, my trunk, legs and neck are grooving. Not sure about my head. I touch my penis and he feels numbish but in a good way, not hot and hard like I've been jerking off. I can hold the base of the penis around the shaft and balls and get pleasure from that. As long as I don't use the pee muscle, I don't feel like ejaculating. I'm using porn to get aroused but have to stop watching after a while and just listen to the sound of men having sex or just concentrate on what I'm feeling. Is this what you're talking about? I don't know if my whole body is aroused and it doesn't fit the description of an orgasm.

Jmay said:
" Inhale -> energy up the spine and to the head
exhale -> energy down your throat, heart, lungs, tummy and back to the penis"

I've visualized energy rising up my spine but not descending back down again. Maybe that's the balance i need.

@euphemistic

You're on the right track. I'm talking about actual orgasms. It does feel nice in the meantime, pleasurable, but the orgasm is a full cascade of pleasurable feelings.

Try to swallow when visualizing energy going down, use it as a reference point. Maybe you can also rub your belly a bit, get blood flowing there too.

That's also a propper description of how the penis feels when you started 'the right way'. That "numbish" feeling should be felt throughout the whole session for now (once reaching that state comes naturally to you, you can try to force it a little more). A "numbish" but hard erect penis feels much more solid in a way. You feel much more in control. Just now it came to my mind the image of a car trying to race on a slippery road. Every turn, if done too fast, the car will get off track (ie ejaculation). I feel that starting stimulation the 'traditional' way your penis is like the car on a slippery road, energy is just too intense for such a slippery path. While when starting the other way, the road is no longer slippery, but you still have to slow down sometimes on sharp turns. You eventually feel submerged in pleasure, not as in an immediate view of it (I prefer to keep going fast despite the turn), but how it feels as a whole, eventually you just know that you have to slow down sometimes because then it will be even better.

Another way to train I think, is trying to get as close to ejaculation as you can and then stop and enjoy the orgasmic feelings, learn how to recognize them as to separate them from ejaculation feelings. You'll end up with the ability to focus only on orgasmic feelings and not ejaculation, making things a bit slower in a way, but much more solid and potent pleasure wise. Orgasm has its own rythm, you have to figure the way to "hop in" the wagon and enjoy the groove. Also, you'll feel orgasmic pleasure through your penis in that numbish state, but no ejaculation feelings.

Now that you've reached this state, try playing a bit more with the BC muscles, just don't make it the center of attention.

Rule of thumb: don't rush it.

To this point, I've been able to define better both sensations. I've found out that orgasmic feelings have their own rythm, while ejaculation feelings can be forced.

What happens during traditional masturbation is as follows. When you're in the mood you start feeling pleasure, it's orgasmic, let's say it only lasts for a couple of seconds, and suddenly these feelings recede. That's when you can screw things up for the first time, because you want to get back to that pleasurable zone immediately, but the only thing that you can really do in that phase of orgasmic recession is force ejaculation, which no doubt is pleasurable, but in a different way. Give yourself time, learn how to enjoy the moment. When you're able to do that, you won't be forcing things, instead you'll enjoy them as they come. All this includes penile stimulation of course. When orgasmic feelings recede, take it as a chance to enjoy the rest of your body, you can continue penile stimulation but without trying to force things. Suddenly these orgasmic feelings will come again, stronger this time, which will make you want to make them even stronger, but don't, you're only forcing ejaculation. Just enjoy the moment, enjoy them getting stronger without forcing them, orgasmic feelings will eventually recede again, enjoy your body, then when they come again they'll be even stronger. Practice doing that. You'll be able to enjoy more pleasurable sensations, more defined and much stronger. Eventually your body "gets it" and just knows when you can stimulate yourself all you want because it's orgasmic, and when you have to take it a little slower because it's leading you to ejaculation. The more you practice, the more you'll be able to separate both sensations.

orgasmic feelings = felt in the moment, without a defined goal to achieve, thus it's a state of being, they can be amplified but not rushed, just let them be, give them space.
ejaculation feelings = rushes things up, you want it to get better and better, it's more goal oriented (ejaculate), and you lose the direct moment of felt experience.

As things get more and more orgasmic, you'll encounter many "wrong" habits, things you have to unlearn and learn how to really feel them. In a sentence, amplifying pleasure is not the same as rushing pleasure. Every time pleasure is amplified, you'll tend to rush things so they get better. Eventually you'll be able to rush things and it won't lead to ejaculation, but that's after many orgasmic waves bathing your body.

Per your advice, Jmay, I'm contracting the peritoneal muscles (everything but the BC muscles) on inhalation while imagining sexual energy rising up my spine and feeling amazing pleasure, and then relaxing everything on exhalation while imagining that energy returning through my body to my penis. After building my arousal sufficiently so that even my breathing is eroticized, I start contracting my abdominal and back muscles with inhalations, almost to a valsalva maneuver, which oxygenates everything and increases the pleasure to an almost unbearable level (I used to ejaculate when I was doing pull ups!) Then when my whole body starts to feel like a giant penis, I tried moving the BC muscles a bit but hit an icy patch and slid off the road.

Oh well, I'll keep trying. I've previously tried delaying orgasm to see how far I could go without ejaculating and think I have a handle on it. Thank you very much for your interest and advice. It means a lot to me.

This thread just keeping better and better, as the old cigarette commercial used to say "not getting older, but better".

I love the emphasis on training, giving the clear picture that we are like athletes, who take training seriously, and who are after the long range, as well as short term, goals they have set for themselves. Our practice, our sessions, are training sessions, as we train our bodies, and rewiring takes place with each session when we are focused on the training, doing our breathing, concentrating, muscle contractions, and other exercises.

I compare the focus on waves of pleasure to the waves on the shore of the ocean. Recently, we had our yearly trip to the coast, and for five days I heard, saw and felt, this constant wave action, as the shore was kissed by the waves of water (reminds me of the song so beautifully sung by Rosemary Clooney "Tenderly"). The waves are relentless, and rhythmic, but no two are exactly alike. They rise and fall. They are big and small. They are narrow and wide. Some have foam heads, some are a mere trickle. They are all waves. We experience them, but we do not make them happen. We can ride them, hear them, feel them, see them, sense their approach, and interact with them in a variety of ways. They are affected by the tides. I am sure others can share their observations about the correlation of ocean waves, and orgasmic waves.
Thanks for starting this thread, JMay

@RayMitchell you worded that beautifully. And yes, I too would like to express my gratitude to JMay for sharing this information!
I will always love all things aneros, but for a while there I just felt like it was missing something. The aneros is the perfect way to treat your body and indulge yourself, but unfortunately, aneros sessions are generally incompatible with the sexual sessions you would have with a partner. Some may be luck enough to have partners who are interested in helping us coax out multiple orgasms via the aneros, nipplestim or even pegging, but for me, I don't think it could ever be the same. That is why this thread is so amazing. For the first time in human history (to my knowledge), the average man has at his disposal the information to be able to have multiple, full body, penile orgasms. That is just amazing to me. And I cannot say thank you enough JMay! You really did a lot of us a huge favor!

Thanks guys! I'm really glad you appreciate it. Don't forget that others have also colaborated on this thread ;). Just make sure to keep us updated on your progress, new findings or questions, everyone has something useful to say and we can all benefit.

@RayMitchell,

Rosemary Clooney???
My God, your'e showing your age!
Even in my mid seventies, I can barely remember her!!
I do remember she was a great looker though. I think she was a pin-up girl of mine!

Pommie:I am 58, and Rosemary Clooney was at the height of her popularity when I was in cloth diapers, I think. Mid fifties. I discovered her just last year. I love to listen to a type of musical singing called "crooning", people like Frank Sinatra, and Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr, and others did a lot of it. Bing Crosby was good. Today, Michael Buble" and Queen Latifah sing crooner style at times. I have found people as disparate as Simon and Garfunkel, Phoebe Snow, Barbara Streisand, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, and so many more (Sarah Vaughan) who sing this wonder soothing style. I would say that the style is conducive to aneros use, because it is very relaxing to listen to.

@Ray,

I guess what you are saying is that your list of music makers all contributed to popular "Classics"!

I love the way you have neatly made the connection with Aneros use!!

Aneros, along with Mantak Chia's Multi Orgasmic Man, have changed my life.

I think I've got it!

@JMay said:
"When you've done it right, if you touch your penis it will be extra sensitive, but not in an uncomfortable way, you can actually feel a clear difference between what your skin feels, how pressure feels, how its shape feels, etc. It's kind of like... much more awake, and it's not "stressed" with pleasure."

Not only is my penis extra sensitive, my whole body is. But not like I'm approaching a threshold of pleasure, but I'm riding waves of pleasure for as long as I want. I have complete control. What confused me was the kundalini metaphor (mine) with the energy ascending my spine and exploding in fireworks. It's more like following my bliss from my midsection down to my toes, and up to my head. When it reaches my head my perceptions are charged, my entire body feels different, like every thing I touch and every movement I make is pleasurable. This is what I've imagined it is like taking ecstasy at a rave. I can do anything with my body and it feels good. In fact, my skin feels just like my penis. As long as I generally avoid those BC muscle on the way to this state.

The way I got to this state was generally the way @JMay suggested. I use the breathing technique contracting my peritoneal muscles on inhalation and relaxing on exhalation. I found that after reaching a plateau of pleasure, I could start contracting my abdominals along with my anus, and that this amplifies the pleasure more. Like doing a hip thrust or mimicking humping but without using the BC muscles. When I've got all my skin charged up, I let myself go, squirming every which way that brings pleasure. This raises it up a notch further. I like to put pillows under my knees and behind my back like I'm sitting in a reclining chair (I'm in bed) because that gives me the most range of motion for my pelvis.

I feel like I can relax now and not have to force pleasure. What luxury!
Now I can play with my BC muscles as suggested if I want to. I find myself tearing up during these sessions but not crying (I do enough of that outside of these sessions). I also laugh a lot when I've reached full body sensitization. It's wonderful.

Good read, thanks JMay.
This probably explains why people find 'do nothing' so effective since it's not blocking the PC muscle. I'll have to give this a try - so basically, if I'm in a session I shouldn't tense the front end of the PC muscle? I can see what you mean, since most of my (apparent) p-waves feel like surges running up to my head - but I wasn't aware that it was strictily the PC muscles contraction prohibiting this.

@euphemestic My Girlfriend has explained if I am kissing her on the neck and she gets sufficiently aroused, it feels like I am sucking on her clit. This is entirely consistent with what you are saying. She said that the feelings start there and then travel to her entire body. She says she gets that intense but non pleasurable electric current all over her body before she cums. All this leads me to believe that men and women are even more alike than we had previously suspected. I feel all the same as she does, just not as developed yet! Woohoo!

I tried this method last night, its been a while since ive tried. No aneros device in, just laid back in my recliner and held a slight contraction. Things took off and were feeling amazing yet very different, my whole body felt like it was buzzing and electric, then my pc muscles started flexing slowly yet steadily. Started to get a hard on and played lightly with it, though i wasnt sure or couldnt remember what to do next. Eventually I was startled by the ice maker and kind of lost everything, ran out of time to go any longer. Does this sound like im heading in the right direction with this? It was definately different from a normal aneroless session, thats for sure!

This is actually a grat way to stop a traditional orgams, or last longer in bed. Keep flexing those back PC muscles:p

This "unconfortable" feeling is exactly what I feel sometimes in my sessions. It's an intense but not pleasurable feeling. Unfortunately it always makes me ejaculate after some time, so it never evolves into full blown intense pleasure.

I can "force" this feeling in a much smaller scale and from this post finally I think I understood from where it comes from. It also seems to be the "Hot Draw" thing I read before.

Like I said, for me it's pretty much impossible to steer it away from ejaculation when it starts to get intense in aneros or anerosless sessions.

BTW I never had a super O nor intense dry-Os, I get nice dry-os but that's the most I can get. I think this intensity spikes will bring me to higher levels but my body can't handle it. I have premature ejaculation and I think this may be harder for me because of this, the line between pleasure and ejaculation is very thin.