The Half In Method

Hmm it almost sounds like the top bulb is overshooting the prostate, or maybe what is to you the most sensitive part of it, maybe you could try extending the tabs  in some way, like slipping some rubber tube over the arms or something similar so that the toy is always at the right depth. I'm a big fan of non-destructive modifications of this kind to "test the waters" so to speak. You can do a lot of subtle changes that way and really see what works best for you. 

I'm pretty sure whatever feels good only pushes re-wiring in the right direction so I'd keep at it and see where you method leads you. 

Have to agree with @zentai on the whatever feels good is pushing on i the right direction.

One of the main goals of the journey is to search and discover new sensations and pleasures. Once we do,we start to wire into them so they can amplify into orgasms. Keep your new discoveries on your Arsenal. But do follow them and see where they lead!

Keep us updated.

Posted by: @zentai

Hmm it almost sounds like the top bulb is overshooting the prostate, or maybe what is to you the most sensitive part of it

It isn't easy to figure out.

12 years ago when I started to learn about the prostate, I would feel nothing.  No joke.  Absolutely nothing.  It was one of the things that really had me frustrated with Aneros.  Other prostate models and even dildos gave me zero sensations.   I had wondered if by chance something was wrong with me.

As the years have passed, little by little, i have been able to grab some pleasure from Aneros.  I still get nothing much from other toys.  So, figuring out what is really going on is difficult.

I have three theories :

1 - I've never been in a relationship.  I've never had intercourse.  My entire life has (unfortunately) been filled with porn and imagination.  I would assume after years your body becomes kind of immune to what you see on the screen.  Maybe if I actually did have anal intercourse (I am gay) I would feel something more because it is what a real person?  Maybe having that intercourse would break up the mundaneness of porn, eventually bringing me to have sensations both ways?

2 - Simply put..  My prostate is in a weird place compared to other guys?  I don't know..  I've read that every guy's prostate is positioned a bit differently.  Maybe nothing I've used has the ability to hit the spot?  I've put fingers down there and found (I think) what you would be looking for.  I don't know...  I'm just fumbling around when I do that.

3 - What I am dealing with in regards to The Half In Method isn't as much the device hitting the prostate, but instead the different curves and size of the Progasm, along with the contractions, giving my sensations from the nerve endings in the anus?  When the full device almost launches itself in, I almost feel a sensation of it grabbing onto something.  I've assumed it is cradling the prostate, but I don't get sensations from the prostate.  

Maybe I should switch back to another model once or twice for the sake of it.  I've been exclusively using this modified Progasm for a month or two because it has given me the most results in a short period of time. 

I recommend trying different toys again. Do you still have dildos? See what they do when you leave them in similar positions as your progasm. The prostate is what we stimulate, but it is totally possible to get pleasure all along the anal canal. Maybe you are even enjoying the feeling of your anus stretched. I like to use my flanged dildo in the basic aneros body position, clamping the flange between my inner thighs. That way I can find a desired point of contact somewhere in the anal canal and then keep the toy firmly in place while i contract around it.

As for relationships being essential... not necessarily, as there other users with varying degrees of success who have little or no sexual experience. I do think an intimate relationship (and going cold turkey on the porno) would be helpful.  It would teach you sensations, both physical and emotional, that would add to your overall sexuality, enhancing every sexual act both alone and with a partner. Sexual pleasure is very much learned, for the most parts, so every positive intense experience will subtly enhance future experiences (just as negative experiences can taint future experiences).

You aren’t asking for advice but I am going to give some: if you really want a relationship, take the time and effort to find one.  I don’t know you, but I know that there is someone for everyone, for every ideology, body type and age.  Be clean (like, brush your teeth and shower), be honest and be yourself, and you will find someone. Especially today with internet dating, it is possible to find someone somewhere. Maybe in your town, maybe 300 kilometers away.  It takes lots of time and energy to find the right person, but it is worth it.  I like giving internet dating advice, so if you are interested, i can tell you my recipe for success.

@nat

Posted by: @nat

12 years ago when I started to learn about the prostate, I would feel nothing.  No joke.  Absolutely nothing.  It was one of the things that really had me frustrated with Aneros.  Other prostate models and even dildos gave me zero sensations.   I had wondered if by chance something was wrong with me.

It is normal in the beginning to feel nothing,until rewriting commences. It’s doubtful anything is wrong with you. 

Posted by: @nat

1 - I've never been in a relationship.  I've never had intercourse.  My entire life has (unfortunately) been filled with porn and imagination.  I would assume after years your body becomes kind of immune to what you see on the screen.  Maybe if I actually did have anal intercourse (I am gay) I would feel something more because it is what a real person?  Maybe having that intercourse would break up the mundaneness of porn, eventually bringing me to have sensations both ways?

Not being in a relationship or sexually active shouldn’t affect your aneros journey in my opinion. But I’m not a dr.

Posted by: @nat

My prostate is in a weird place compared to other guys?  I don't know..  I've read that every guy's prostate is positioned a bit differently

It might vary slightly if your really really tall,but they are in the same general place in all men IMO.

In my honest opinion from what you’ve said,I think your problem is porn. It always has been. Yes your right about immunity. There’s been studies done that saybover consuming too much porn burns out our reward system,and makes us much less sensitive to pleasure. They say it shrinks our grey matter too.

I’d challenge yourself to abstain from any porn for at least two weeks,have 3-4 sessions per week. I think you’ll notice a ramp up in progress. It may be hard as you sound addicted,but you can do 2 weeks. Try it and let us know the outcome.

Good luck!

@nat

I get that things are not that cut and dry, and both mental and physical aspects are in play, and then we have the Aneros shape and size which is mostly mechanical in nature. Since the difference in size and shapes is not that big between models (except the Progasm which is pretty much his own thing IMO), some little tweeks here and there can span the gap between two different models and make them fit better to your particular anatomy. 

Quitting porn cold turkey is not that easy, if you don't think you're up to it I'd suggest cutting back in the following way, which is the same thing I'd suggest for someone who is having daily sessions and who is stuck on a plateau : skip one day, have a session. Then skip two days, have a session, and so on until you find a sweet spot you're comfortable working with. Stopping all porn use would be better, but when it's your only outlet and your imagination is a little depleted, that's not an easy task. Surely regular Aneros succes can make pornography obsolete for you, but until you get there, at least limiting use is something worth trying. 

Posted by: @divine_o

The prostate is what we stimulate, but it is totally possible to get pleasure all along the anal canal. Maybe you are even enjoying the feeling of your anus stretched.

It just seems a bit weird that the most intense sensations I have had over 12 years would not even come from the prostate.  Then I question why I was not feeling those sensations before, as for 11 of those 12 years I did have a Progasm.  Could the modification be making that big of a difference?

Posted by: @divine_o

You aren’t asking for advice but I am going to give some: if you really want a relationship, take the time and effort to find one.

I'm sorry..  That is a bit insensitive.  You are right in saying you don't know me.  The reasons why I don't have a relationship aren't because I don't keep myself clean.  They aren't because I don't believe in myself or put myself out there.  There is such thing as a reciprocating party.  I've liked a lot of people over the years.  Those people have never returned those feelings.  Not much more I can say or do.

Posted by: @helghast

It is normal in the beginning to feel nothing,until rewriting commences. It’s doubtful anything is wrong with you. 

This wasn't even a situation of "rewiring" or Aneros though.  As a gay man, I know of a lot of people who had intercourse as early as teenagers.  They had pleasure from those encounters.  They weren't trying to learn anything or rewire anything.  They were simply just having fun with people they were attracted to. 

I took it a but too personal.  I figured if a 16 year old can have sensations the second he has a dick put in his ass, I should at 25 be able to have sensations the second I put a dildo up there.  So yeah..  It had nothing to do with Aneros specifically.  It was more of a question mark and challenge to who I was (am) sexually.  It is hard to explain potentially to a bunch of straight guys who are somewhat using anal play as a journey to rewiring.  Even if I didn't discover Aneros, this was a part of me even well before I knew it, and would have continued to be either way.

Posted by: @helghast

In my honest opinion from what you’ve said,I think your problem is porn. It always has been. Yes your right about immunity. There’s been studies done that saybover consuming too much porn burns out our reward system,and makes us much less sensitive to pleasure. They say it shrinks our grey matter too.

So, what is someone to do about that?  If you cannot find someone to reciprocate your feelings, porn is killing your vibe, and doing nothing puts you in a position of "use it or lose it".  It isn't like I can forget everything all together, still pop an Aneros in, and get results.  You need something arousing.  I mean.. having 3 to 4 sessions a week with no arousal...  Does that work?

And BTW..  Addiction would be sitting around and watching porn all day.  Addiction would be porn creeping into your life and preventing you from doing other things you should be doing.  That is definitely not the case.  I bring it up because it has been my only form of visual stimulation.  

Posted by: @zentai

Quitting porn cold turkey is not that easy,

Does anyone quit cold turkey unless they are an addict of sorts?

Again...  As you get older it becomes "use it or lose it".  My porn use is only a few minutes before a session.  I'm not sitting around all day watching. 

There is nothing wrong with watching porn.  I've just been stuck with it for a long time due to my unfortunate situation. 

As I already asked above....  How exactly am I supposed to get sensations from Aneros (or any other toy) without some visual stimulation?

The reason you might be feeling sensations for the first time is because of... rewiring! That’s the whole idea of it. Again I recommend other toys that allow you to explore these newfound sensations. As @helghast says, “whatever feels good is pushing on i the right direction.”

I am very sorry to have overstepped a boundary there, and I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean to say you weren’t clean, being yourself, or being honest. I was saying I think those are prerequisites for finding someone, no matter who you are.  But I am sure that whatever I say here will only dig me deeper in my hole.  And that is the last time I attempt give unwanted partner-finding advice to anyone on this forum.

“I figured if a 16 year old can have sensations the second he has a dick put in his ass, I should at 25 be able to have sensations the second I put a dildo up there.”

People of all genders and sexual orientations develop their sexuality at different speeds. It is useless comparing, though we all do it...

 “It is hard to explain potentially to a bunch of straight guys who are somewhat using anal play as a journey to rewiring.  Even if I didn't discover Aneros, this was a part of me even well before I knew it, and would have continued to be either way.”

I disagree with this to a certain extent, though you are right that as a straight man I cannot know your experience and vice versa. Many of us heterosexuals have been cramming things up our butts shame-free for years before aneros, and many of us have topped in anal sex plenty.  And as you know, being gay doesn’t mean you want to give or receive anal sex.  But sure, there are probably all sorts of social pressures that I am clueless to.

As to addiction with porno, it is tricky to say what it is. The words addiction and dependence are often used interchangeably. While you probably aren’t addicted in the sense that it isn’t ruining your life, it sounds like you are dependent. Like a public speaker who needs a glass of whiskey before going on stage, you rely on a dose of pornography to get aroused.  Is it negatively effecting you? Only one way to find out, and that is through experimentation.  Also, what do you do when looking at porn? Are you touching yourself? Listening to your body? Or just sitting there watching it like a movie. I ask because for me, if I am watching porn i am jerking off at the same time. If you are doing that, I definitely think that is the wrong way to start a session.

@nat

Posted by: @nat

It just seems a bit weird that the most intense sensations I have had over 12 years would not even come from the prostate.  Then I question why I was not feeling those sensations before, as for 11 of those 12 years I did have a Progasm.  Could the modification be making that big of a difference?

It’s not weird. Journeys move at different speeds. You question why you feel this? Maybe you ask too many questions…feelings that weren’t there before,but are now don’t need to be questioned,accept the progress and keep going,build on it. Maybe it’s the modification and maybe it isn’t. You need to see the positives in any new progress made,stop the negative mindset of why you didn’t feel them before. 

Posted by: @nat

I'm sorry..  That is a bit insensitive.  You are right in saying you don't know me.  The reasons why I don't have a relationship aren't because I don't keep myself clean.  They aren't because I don't believe in myself or put myself out there.  There is such thing as a reciprocating party.  I've liked a lot of people over the years.  Those people have never returned those feelings.  Not much more I can say or do.

No it’s not insensitive,it’s just someone laying out some broad spectrum advice. You can glean anything relevant and discard the rest. Sexual contact and relationships aren’t easy to find for everyone,you just keep searching like other people have to. There are a lot of gay and straight guys on this forum who are in a similar position,or who are in relationships devoid of anything sexual. The point is,if they can do it,so can you.

Posted by: @nat

This wasn't even a situation of "rewiring" or Aneros though.  As a gay man, I know of a lot of people who had intercourse as early as teenagers.  They had pleasure from those encounters.  They weren't trying to learn anything or rewire anything.  They were simply just having fun with people they were attracted to.

By that logic,any gay guy on this forum should have had an instant super o on day 1 of Aneros journey. I suspect that’s not the case. Pleasure doesn’t care for sexuality,pleasure is pleasure. And you’ve answered your own question here aswell….they just had fun,your not,you sound very frustrated,negative and even a little bitter,all of these are pleasure killers. That’s why I said to just explore,build on any pleasure gained,and see it for the progress that it is.

The first time my wife pegged me,it was painful,it burned,not sure how you could know gay guys are off and running from the first second….kids do have a tendency to exaggerate…

Any gay guys on the forum want to confirm or deny guaranteed prostate orgasms from anal sex? Oh go on,you know you want to 🙂

Posted by: @nat

So, what is someone to do about that?  If you cannot find someone to reciprocate your feelings, porn is killing your vibe, and doing nothing puts you in a position of "use it or lose it".  It isn't like I can forget everything all together, still pop an Aneros in, and get results.  You need something arousing.  I mean.. having 3 to 4 sessions a week with no arousal...  Does that work?

And BTW..  Addiction would be sitting around and watching porn all day.  Addiction would be porn creeping into your life and preventing you from doing other things you should be doing.  That is definitely not the case.  I bring it up because it has been my only form of visual stimulation.

I already said what to do. Try 2-4 weeks without porn. Just use your imagination,erotic fantasy is natural.If porn was needed to be some aroused,what did people do before porn?  Although visual stimulation is natural. Porn is not. You say your not addicted,so it should be easy to abstain. You said in theory 1 above that your entire life has been filled with porn and imagination.That the body builds up an immunity to it.  Then you say in reply to Zen that there’s nothing wrong with watching porn. I’ve just answered what was put in front of me,which is difficult with the too and fro in your answers.

Again,you sound very frustrated,negative and bitter. Gotta start to let those those things go. They are murdering your aneros journey. 

Posted by: @nat

Does anyone quit cold turkey unless they are an addict of sorts?

Posted by: @divine_o

The words addiction and dependence are often used interchangeably. While you probably aren’t addicted in the sense that it isn’t ruining your life, it sounds like you are dependent. Like a public speaker who needs a glass of whiskey before going on stage, you rely on a dose of pornography to get aroused.  Is it negatively effecting you?

That's a good point and I'll even go further in saying that even just an habit could have some effects. I have 2-3 cups of tea during the day and hot chocolate in the evening, almost every day. If I'm very busy working outside or on the road, I can do without, but if you asked me to switch to water only because it's better for hydration (which is true), I would miss my tea and chocolate, not because I'm an addict or dependant, but because that's what I like to drink. I'd probably feel better if I stopped, but I don't believe it's worth giving up on tea. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't feel like trying, so maybe I'm missing on feeling better, who knows? 

In the same way, even if you're not dependant, you go to porn for arousal as an habit, is it a bad or good habit, most people would say it's bad, but if we cut to the chase, the *real* question is, is it bad for your Aneros results specificaly? That's for you to answer, and cutting back and testing the results is one way to do this. 

As for use it or lose it, could you get aroused if the man of your dreams suddenly appeared and wanted to have sex with you? I bet you could, so that's the kind of fantasy you could try working on, imagination is like a muscle, the more you work on it, the clearer the picture will get. Maybe switch from porn to watching pictures of beautiful people you're attracted to, think of what you'd do to them or what they'd do to you. Porn is very passive because you pick a video that is arousing to you and don't have to do any of the work as the fantasy happens by itself on the screen, so your 'fantasy muscles' get weak. You can do better with your imagination than some old dirty porn producer, but you'll need to apply yourself. Porn is a businness, you're jerking off to another's man idea of what will make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort, again, you can do better than that... If you have a very specific fantasy involving a specific person, there's no way you'll get that on screen anytime soon, so better start working on it yourself in your mind. 

Believe me, I know that the single life is frustrating sometimes, and maybe you think that other don't get how much it sucks, or how bad you have it, but you're getting good advice in this thread, why not take a leap of faith and just try some of it, it won't make things worse, right? 

@divine_o

Posted by: @divine_o

I am very sorry to have overstepped a boundary there, and I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean to say you weren’t clean, being yourself, or being honest. I was saying I think those are prerequisites for finding someone, no matter who you are.  But I am sure that whatever I say here will only dig me deeper in my hole.  And that is the last time I attempt give unwanted partner-finding advice to anyone on this forum.

Nah don’t change my friend. Your one of the most helpful members of the forum. The guys just super frustrated.

@divine_o

If we all start pussy-footing around and walking on eggshells, then what kind of advice are we going to give? It's clear that you are always trying to be helpful, and that you care about people succeeding. Sometimes what people need to hear and what the want to hear are two very different things. I say continue to speak you mind. 

Posted by: @helghast

Nah don’t change my friend. Your one of the most helpful members of the forum

BTW...  No one is saying he isn't helpful.

I just think a line was crossed that was not needed, even more so since it wasn't the topic of conversation.  I never did pose the question of why I am not in a relationship.

But on multiple levels judgement calls have been made on me.  I think it is out of line, but everyone is due their opinion.  I just refuse to respond to those comments, as they take away from the real discussion. 

Edit:  Wrote a big reply.  The forum didn't post it.  I'll return to it later. 

I’m going to weigh in just because I feel a lot of what you’re experiencing resonates with myself. I don’t want to assume we’re in the same boat, but maybe something will help from my own experiences. 

Porn addiction to me is more of a physiological problem than a “I just want to watch it all the time, and can’t live my life.” I have been at a point in my life (still struggle somewhat) where the chemicals in my brain WILL NOT RELEASE unless porn is my stimulation. The association of porn with pleasure made it so that I not only desired it but NEEDED it to feel any arousal. The thing that needed to happen was to associate pleasure with sensation and touch whether from a real person or myself (Aneros included). I’m not a virgin but unfortunately some of those experiences with men were just not great for me because I wasn’t being constantly MENTALLY stimulated. The thought of being with them was hot, and starting out was hot, but it wasn’t a constant stream of stimulation for my eyes like I was used to with porn, so eventually it just led to boredom. It was like trying to get off handsfree by watching the same 15 second clip over and over, eventually you just aren’t turned on by it anymore and you might as well use your hand and get it over with and find a new video because you’re getting frustrated. 

Obviously the same thing can happen with the Aneros. For me it’s completely based on sensation, however small it is. Aneros contact with the prostate or not, just learning to enjoy the feeling of my dick filling with blood can get me to just close my eyes and forget about the porn for a bit. The problem isn’t that I was feeling nothing, it was that I was ignoring even the most basic pleasures we have and just kinda skipping over things in favor of a quick release which is what porn gives me. Just me being open, and not trying to be crass, what helped me was just that. I’d turn on some porn and as soon as I felt my dick growing I’d just focus on what I was feeling in my pelvic area as it happened and how the toy in my butt was interacting with that. Even the first time I was like wow that felt good, and that was the beginning of learning not to skip over sensations and the journey to associate those sensations with the Aneros or even just contractions. Now, it’s hard for me not to get a boner right after inserting because I’ve associated those feelings with the toy. 

I’m typing this all on my phone, and it’s kinda tough so I’m gonna stop for now but I hope something I said was helpful. I’m not a Super-O pro or even adept at it in any way, but I know that my mind was struggling to associate sensation with pleasure because of porn and a quick release mindset and I did have to adjust so that I could use porn but also enjoy sensation no matter how insignificant it seems. Still trying to quit porn, because I see nothing but benefits. 🙂

Posted by: @nat

But on multiple levels judgement calls have been made on me.  I think it is out of line, but everyone is due their opinion.  I just refuse to respond to those comments, as they take away from the real discussion. 

Edit:  Wrote a big reply.  The forum didn't post it.  I'll return to it later. 

I'm not sure that you were subject to multiple judgement calls as every single member is different with different circumstances.   Sometimes, we provide opinions without knowing all pertinent details of someone's situation and such opinions are not meant to be malicious.   Over the years on this forum,  I  found that all (except very few) contributed opinions are done with the best of intentions.

For the most part,  we all believe in the slogan ‘live and let live‘.

Good vibes to you.

@nat

no one is judging you,this is one of the least judgemental places around.

You brought up your relationship and sexual experience. That maybe if those were experienced,you might have more luck on your journey. So Devine is just kicking around ideas and advice. You take anything relevant from it and discard the rest. He actually said the same thing to me about preparing for pegging. It’s no big deal.

The only thing the lads on this forum want is for every guy here to get where they want to go on the journey.

@nat you bring point of views from a rare perspective and this is a good thing!  

In the last several months, we have read several entries about rare topics from a diversity of perspective which makes this forum so interesting. Most of us appreciate reading new material and we're thankful for the courage of the contributors (like yourself) who dig deep in their very personal situation to share experiences with complete strangers.

We value your opinion and point of views.

Posted by: @divine_o

The reason you might be feeling sensations for the first time is because of... rewiring! That’s the whole idea of it.

Posted by: @divine_o

People of all genders and sexual orientations develop their sexuality at different speeds. It is useless comparing, though we all do it...

I guess my whole thought on this subject is the fact that I never considered it "rewiring" until I started using Aneros.  The reason for the rewiring process, as I always thought, was to get your mind away from traditional orgasm and toward the idea of having just as much (if not more) pleasure without ejaculation.  In regards to actual sexual intercourse, I see that as a built in instinct.  Some people are attracted to men and some women.  Having intercourse with someone you are attracted to should not require rewiring, since there was no switch in perspective that would require you to unwire current perspectives.

As for the second quote, I would imagine there are situations where rewiring is necessary.  If a guy is gay and denies it to himself, going after women, he might have to somehow rewiring himself to get some sort of satisfaction out of those intimate encounters.  If that same gay guy later in life decides not to deny himself of his true desires, there might be another rewiring.

To my point, a 16 year old gay guy who doesn't doubt his sexuality does not need to rewire.  A 24 year old who has no previous wiring different, but finally decides to act on his desires, does not need rewiring.

So...  Whether your statements are true or not, I don't understand how that 16 year old would be so much more advanced than me at 24.  What determines the sexual speeds before someone ever has sex (or in this case anally masturbates)?

Posted by: @divine_o

And as you know, being gay doesn’t mean you want to give or receive anal sex

Do you know any gay guy who doesn't?  I don't.  I suspect if you do there is some sort of fear mechanism at work there.  Just my opinion.

Posted by: @zentai

Porn is a businness, you're jerking off to another's man idea of what will make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort, again, you can do better than that...

I'm almost sure I am actually physically attracted to who I see on the screen.

Posted by: @learningtounlearn

so eventually it just led to boredom. It was like trying to get off handsfree by watching the same 15 second clip over and over, eventually you just aren’t turned on by it anymore and you might as well use your hand and get it over with and find a new video because you’re getting frustrated. 

I think I am the opposite of you.  It is hard for me to get stimulated with porn, but I continue to watch because I have no other choice.  I am somewhat aphantasia.  I have a hard time vividly visualizing.  So, I also don't have the ability to just turn off the screen, touch myself, and I'm good to go.  But I do resonate with your comment.  I think part of why I can't get stimulation from porn is because it is like watching the same 15 second clip over and over.  And while I might look at a guy on screen and say "OMG so hot", I never watch a video anymore and say "OMG so hot".  My guess is, I crave that intimacy with someone of that nature and not the act of watching them do it with someone else.  Maybe it is the same with Aneros.  I'd rather be having sex with a guy and having a mind blowing orgasm, than putting this toy up my ass and having a mind blowing orgasm.

Posted by: @learningtounlearn

Now, it’s hard for me not to get a boner right after inserting because I’ve associated those feelings with the toy. 

This makes complete sense.  It is called anchoring.

Posted by: @ggringo

I'm not sure that you were subject to multiple judgement calls as every single member is different with different circumstances.   Sometimes, we provide opinions without knowing all pertinent details of someone's situation and such opinions are not meant to be malicious.

Completely understood.  The comments about being frustrated with sensations was not the problem.  The questioning my lack of relationships was the issue.  I was never asking for advice on how to get a date or get laid.  This isn't the right forum for that.  A negative shot was fired.  Whatever...  It is over and done with.  I just found it inappropriate.

Posted by: @ggringo

In the last several months, we have read several entries about rare topics from a diversity of perspective which makes this forum so interesting. Most of us appreciate reading new material and we're thankful for the courage of the contributors (like yourself) who dig deep in their very personal situation to share experiences with complete strangers.

We value your opinion and point of views.

Thank You!  I appreciate it.

Only thing is, I wish people took interest in my modification thread.  Maybe it was because the modification was not planned.  Or maybe it was because I began to get almost instantly better results by using it.  But since I searched and didn't see many threads about Progasm modification where the back tab was fully removed (most modifications are the bending of the tab), I thought people would find it more interesting.

Now I always walk around here mentioning the modification because I don't want to just say "Progasm" when trying to dive into a situation that is happening.

@nat I think you are conflating multiple types of rewiring. There are infinite things we can rewire ourselves for. Here on this forum we are talking about rewiring our prostates to have orgasms (or nipples or other body parts). This is wholly different from wiring for sexuality, or simply rewiring to enjoy anal sex, and gay men who come to this forum don’t necessarily have an advantage, no matter how much they have bottomed.

Again, no use comparing, because there is no basis of comparison. It is like comparing who likes the color purple the most. It just doesn’t matter. It is interesting to know what is possible, but you shouldn’t let it have an effect on your pleasure. Plus people lie, people brag, and everyone’s point of reference is themself. For an example about this last idea: I have chatted with women about sex before getting into bed with them on multiple occasions, and it is funny to hear that someone considers themself very sexual, very freaky, very this, very that, and to find out that they are very much none of those things based on what I know. Or the opposite. That they don’t seem outwardly interested in sex, but are huge freaks in bed.  So your gay friends who had so much fun at 16... may not have had that much fun. Or maybe they had even more than they said. But again it doesn’t matter.

As for gay men who don’t like anal sex, there are many reasons for it. I met a bi man the other night who doesn’t like anal.  Here is an article about it:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-the-erotic-code/202005/side-guys-thinking-beyond-gay-male-tops-and-bottoms

As for the original subject...

Sorry i had a problem with my screen and posted to not lose the text...

as for the original subject, I gave my ideas about it above. That there is no one way to get pleasure, that dildos and wands allow for multiple positions. I am not going to modify my progasm because I love it the way it is. If no one has come up with more direct responses to your questions in a way that pleases you, it is because your questions don’t resonate with anyone (though I think people have responded adequately). That is fine. It happens to me all the time. I have even written “dud” posts that get zero responses...

Posted by: @nat

Only thing is, I wish people took interest in my modification thread.

All my toys are modified to some degree, I don't find this is a big deal so I just went over the thread noting that you were using a tail-less Progasm and did not make much of it, not because it's not interesting or important, but because unless you do a mod on the insertable part, it's still basically the same toy with a different angle of attack more suited to your anatomy. I'm pretty sure that putting a lot of padding under the P-tab basically achieves the same thing as lopping the tail off, and I've been playing with this for several years. 

Removing the tail in theory gives more forward pivoting motion, deeper penetration and I think, less side-to-side wobble. If it works better for you than the stock toy, then you did great. For others, doing this mod might ruin the experience. I'm at a phase where I don't think the exact device geometry is really that important so the way I see it is that as long as you get good prostate contact, you're good to go. With your mod, the Progasm is as deep and forward as it can be, so you're certainly achieving this.  

The other thing is that we all have various degrees of interest in the hobby, personally I read every post each day, so when I see you posting I know that you have a tail-less Progasm from reading your previous posts, and will factor this in and try to think about what the modification does in term of performance. People less obsessed than me might not find the same interest, and that's fine too. 

Posted by: @divine_o

This is wholly different from wiring for sexuality, or simply rewiring to enjoy anal sex, and gay men who come to this forum don’t necessarily have an advantage, no matter how much they have bottomed.

I don't know...  There are three elements of gay sex (or straight people can call for the sake of conversation, anal play).  The first is contact with the prostate.  The second is the sensitivity of the nerve endings of the anus.  The third (and maybe the part that uses rewiring the most) is mental capacity.  While I understand the other two cannot be fully present without the third, unless there is something blocking your pathway to begin with, I don't see how you can be out of the gate wired "wrong" but our standards.

Take me for example.  I might have struggled with my sexuality in my teens, but I never questioned being gay as not normal, or viewed gay sex in a negative light.  I had zero mental or physical abuse over the matter.  There really was no shame besides the basic "what will my parents think" thought.  There was nothing that would have put me behind anyone else.  Maybe someone can actually explain it.  I just don't get what would cause me not to have plaesure on day one and someone else to have it.

As for the second comment...  Someone who has bottomed a lot has no advantage over someone sticking a prostate toy in for the first time?

Posted by: @divine_o

So your gay friends who had so much fun at 16... may not have had that much fun. Or maybe they had even more than they said. But again it doesn’t matter.

I just don't see what motive they would have to lie about it.  I agree that over tine stories change and become exaggerated.  At the end of the day, for the sake of this discussion, it doesn't matter if they had mind blowing sex or not.  The only thing that is in question - did you feel pleasurable sensations or not?

Posted by: @zentai

Removing the tail in theory gives more forward pivoting motion, deeper penetration and I think, less side-to-side wobble.

Like a back and fourth motion, it gives a lot more movement like a Eupho.  I never delt with side to side wobble with any model. 

You think it really goes that much deeper than a normal Progasm?  Could it be that my prostate is that much deeper and now being stimulated a bit more?

@nat

people have sex for many reasons. Amongst those reasons are reasons that are unrelated to one’s own pleasure: to fit in, to please other people, to check acts off a bucket list, domination, etc.  Several men and women I know who said they loved sex in their teens and twenties have lost interest in sex in their 30s. Did they ever enjoy sex? Was it simply a novelty? What about women who never have orgasms but have sex anyways? There are certainly plenty of bottoming men who don’t get tons of pleasure from it, who never have anal orgasms.

When we watch pornography, when friends tell us about sexual experiences, we get the impression that everyone else is a sexual fiend, craving cock, ass and pussy, orgasming non stop. But most pornos are more or less faked— it takes a well trained eye to discern what is wholly “real”, and what is real is almost fully confined to homemade videos of loving couples (where we often see the banality of many people’s sex lives compared to faked studio porn: one position for 15 minutes, no moaning, etc) or solo folks.  And most friends only talk about their best experiences. They don’t say “so we tried anal for 3 minutes but it burned too much so we stopped, jerked off, smoked a joint and watched cartoons.”

I do think men well practiced in receiving anal (gay or not) have the advantage of being open to their anus being penetrated, and have already become acquainted with lube and certain sensations.  Those are the only advantages. They are admittedly large, when compared to certain hetero men who equate anal penetration with homosexuality and who need to learn the ins and outs of their anus—but it doesn’t guarantee instant prostate orgasms at all. This is because for many people anal sex means a certain amount of back and forth.  This movement is counterindicative to the prostate orgasms that we are looking for here, at least in the period of rewiring, when prostate stimulation is light and practically static except for auto contractions.  If anal sex involves a penetrating penis, I promise you that that penis is never staying still for more than a few seconds at a time. And also, many bottoms equate orgasm with a final jerking off.  So most men who have bottomed (gay or not) haven’t rewired for prostate orgasms in doing so.

I would even argue that bottoming (again, I stress, gay or not) has disadvantages for some, because of the know-it-all factor, which prevents people from researching aneros in depth. Without researching, it is highly unlikely that the toy will be used for anything other than a butt plug or small dildo.  I recently saw a video of two gay men promoting an aneros and prostate stimulation on a mega popular Instagram account (France), and to my disappointment they knew nothing about the utilisation of these toys, and were ignorant of the potential of the prostate (they vaguely mentioned multiple orgasms as something they had heard about). I have told gay acquaintances about aneros and have been brushed off with “oh gay men know all about anal orgasms.” (Yes of course you do, but not THIS type of multiple minutes-long orgasm, coming from any body part with practice... but I don’t insist.) I have seen this know-it-all-ness in straight men and women too, not necessarily for prostate play, but it is all the same. Once people decide they know something, they don’t look further.  But for successful prostate play, much reading is required for most people.

So I disagree with the basic premise of your argument, that gay men are already wired for prostate play. I think you are putting gay anal sex on a pedestal, as if it were wholly different to other acts, gay or not, and that by merely being gay, one is wired to enjoy anal penetration (see the article I mentioned).  You ignore that sexuality and sexual orientation are in many ways distinct, in the same way that hetero men who are afraid of becoming gay through anal play ignore these distinctions.  It isn’t the act or the sexual orientation that leads to a different, more meditative way of conceiving of pleasure. Rather, it is open-mindedness, creativity and curiosity of those partaking that leads there.

@zentai @helghast

thanks for your feedback. I saw that I overstepped a boundary with Nat. He told me so. I understand and regret overstepping.

You are right that I shouldn’t hold back, and I probably will overstep in the future. Because none of us truly know each other and our limits, and even with our best friends we are capable of giving unwanted advice...

Hi @nat, a sermon has to start from where the people are. This aim perhaps may have been missed by some answers. I feel sorry for that. Please be sure, that no one of the posters above, as far as I have learned from their postings so far, wanted anything else but to help you.

You asked whether half-in was the reason for your newest experiences. Nobody else knows.

The "try guys" too have been curious about their prostate and had the best idea: They got a prostate exam and let the doctor show them where exactly their prostate is. So simple.

The Try Guys Get Prostate Exams

Afterwards you should be better informed to decide whether your modifications are relevant for your unique body and your unique experiences. Nobody else can find this out for you.

Best regards, Mart

Posted by: @nat

You think it really goes that much deeper than a normal Progasm?  Could it be that my prostate is that much deeper and now being stimulated a bit more?

It does it give it the liberty to pivot further forward, but it won't go that much deeper. It cannot just pivot on the P-Tab in a full arc because you sphincters are also acting on it. Play with it in your hands and you'll see what I mean, but then that's only in theory, unless you can sneak inside a X-Ray machine with your toy inserted, you'll never know exactly what's happening inside you. These are subtle motions, and maybe the Progasm just hugs your prostate more, or hits a more sensitive spot, or has more instability, I don't believe your prostate is located in some weird spot that the Progasm couldn't reach normally, I think you're getting maybe a 1/4 inch of potential extra reach. I'm no expert, I just think about this stuff a lot, I could be completely wrong on this. The important part is that it works. 

But there are pretty important variations between humans, for example this study shows the variation of different organs size and weight depending on body body weight and size, and this short article states, about internal organs in general :

''Most of us have the same basic “gear” and everything is placed in the same internal spots. But already at birth this body equipment differs individually.'' 

Again, I just looked this up to be certain I was not spewing misinformation, I'm not saying that these articles mean that prostate location varies wildly between men, because they're mostly talking about the main internal organs' size relative to body size, but Aneros did make a shorter MGX for shorter guys, the SGX, and for what it's worth I'm 5'6'' and it's the only model that does not work for me. Torso length is probably the best indicator of how deep you prostate is located.     

@sowithoutaneros 

You're absolutely right, that would be one of best way to truly know, at least better than all the speculation I just did. But unless you're aroused and pulling and pushing and breathing and relaxing, even doing this would only tell part of the story. I've had two digital prostate exams in my life, and they were very quick and I did not feel much of anything, even if I was rewired. I don't know if this is typical, I was there for bladder issues and maybe the docs just went trough the motion since I'm a younger guy and not really at risk for prostate issues. One was in the classic laying on side position, the other was standing up, both were over in an instant. Finding an experienced erotic masseuse (or masseur) who knows her/his way around the prostate would be the definitive test.

But yes, the only real way to know about your prostate geometry is to get a finger inside and really explore, and again this may not really translate in knowing exactly how your Aneros device(s) interacts with the gland while in use. Maybe this part is bound to remain a relative mystery?  

Posted by: @divine_o

There are certainly plenty of bottoming men who don’t get tons of pleasure from it, who never have anal orgasms.

I'm not even going the extent of anal orgasms.  I'm just talking about pleasure.

Though I don't see why the guys you mentioned don't top.

Posted by: @divine_o

 

When we watch pornography, when friends tell us about sexual experiences, we get the impression that everyone else is a sexual fiend, craving cock, ass and pussy, orgasming non stop. But most pornos are more or less faked

Maybe I'm different.  I feel I have a very high craving for my age.  Maybe my lack of intimacy accounts for most of it. 

Yes.. Porn is mostly fake.  I know two or three people from my time living in Los Angeles who have done it.  I've heard the stories.

Posted by: @divine_o

And also, many bottoms equate orgasm with a final jerking off.  So most men who have bottomed (gay or not) haven’t rewired for prostate orgasms in doing so.

Combining this with my first quote.  Maybe this is where our wires are getting crossed.  I'm referring to pleasure from the ongoing sexual act, not the climax. 

Posted by: @zentai

But unless you're aroused and pulling and pushing and breathing and relaxing, even doing this would only tell part of the story. I've had two digital prostate exams in my life, and they were very quick and I did not feel much of anything, even if I was rewired.

I had a thread before about defining exactly what sensations are what Aneros Wiki terms.  Since the prostate is most of the conversation here, I'll bring up the fact that I don't know what is really going on with me during sessions.  I am getting a great deal of better results with the modification, but I don't know where they are coming from.  Since I still get little to no pleasure from dildos and non Aneros toys, I feel as though most of my sensations aren't coming from the prostate.

My point..  I don't know how to distinguish a prostate sensation from an anus sensation.  I know in the end it doesn't matter.  Yet if I am not hitting the prostate correctly during a session, I'd like to know.

@SOwithoutAneros I will check out the link.  Thanks.

@nat

Yes you are right that there is a whole bunch of other pleasure to be had that isn’t orgasmic pleasure. But that is where things get blurry. Like I said, people have sex for many reasons. Intimacy, domination, submission, fitting in, sexual bucket lists, and so on; all these things can be pleasureful without necessarily being clearly physically pleasureful. These scenarios require a lot of fantasy to recreate when one is alone, and are probably hard to imagine without having experienced them. But they can be like laughter: laughter doesn’t physically feel good, per se; it can even be uncomfortable. What is good about laughter is how we feel when we laugh. I would argue that many people highly enjoy the sexual experience, without necessarily getting wild amounts of physical pleasure.  

I do think that certain people have naturally (or through upbringing) higher potential for getting sexual pleasure.  If we knew why, or if we could easily short circuit that, there would be way fewer questions on this forum.  But again, this pleasure imbalance has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

I imagine you have a high craving, but I also think that having a high craving is normal for men. We are about the same age, if I have followed correctly. If you are like me, and like many other men, you can easily watch porno and masturbate three times a day. Any attractive person you see potentially inspires sexual thoughts. But the realities of partnered sex lead many adults to realize that they are fine with much less actual sex. Craving is in the realm of fantasy, and doesn’t take into account the time and effort of actual sex. Once you’ve had a lot of sex, you think twice before turning craving into reality with your partner, seeing as intimacy  (except for “quickies”) can last 30 minutes to over 2 hours, plus cleaning up and ensuing fatigue.  The most common complaints I have heard about sex are the lack of physical pleasure and the time involved.

Why don’t “side men” top? I don’t know why, but they probably have good reasons that you can read up on.  You could just as easily ask why they don’t bottom.  Every form of sexuality is valid.