Super-O and Circumcision

I don’t really understand the questions... I think it is a question of wording?? But I would like to understand what you are getting at!

1. Yes of course you can,it’s been testified to thousands of times on this forum,that guys are frustrated by the ‘missing’ prostate orgasm.
2. For me,prostate play and sex are different.
Yes prostate Orgasm can out manoeuvre sex orgasm is every way from power to longevity,
but I have to ask..what foreskin assumptions are you referring to?

While I am very happy that I was circumcised as a neonatal and most males in my life from my youth had cut cocks as me (mind you this was the 1950's and 60's in my native Northwestern Connecticut), there was a dictum which I followed in my Aneros sessions from the very beginning: Penis not! Leave the penis out of working with Aneros. Focus on how your Aneros tools massage your anal canal and prostate!

@divine_oblivion so one of (and probably the main) core issues surrounding circumcision is this sense of loss in sexual pleasure. There is such a fervor around that notion. However in my mind as I sit here knowing what a Super-O is I could frankly care less about a foreskin...you would have to take my prostate away from my dead cold hands.

1. Yes of course you can,it’s been testified to thousands of times on this forum,that guys are frustrated by the ‘missing’ prostate orgasm.
2. For me,prostate play and sex are different.
Yes prostate Orgasm can out manoeuvre sex orgasm is every way from power to longevity,
but I have to ask..what foreskin assumptions are you referring to?

Here is the thing though...because I follow my sessions via the Taoist methods...prostate play helps support and build up my sex based orgasm. Before I started with Prostate Play...my orgasms were good...but I was always a guy who would cum quietly. Since I have found prostate play and I actually incorporate Aless movements into my sex based moments...my orgasms now make me grunt and moan really really hard.

@BigGlansDC...agreed...hehe

I was circumcised neonatally. I wouldn’t have my son circumcised if I ever had a male child, because I don’t see the point. But I don’t at all regret my circumcision. I get enourmous amounts of pleasure from my penis, and now thanks to re-wiring, from every square inch of skin on my body. I couldn’t care less if my penis may be more sensitive with a foreskin for two reasons. One, I will never know. Two, there are so many other ways to get pleasure other than by stimulating my penis.

like you i also have amped up my orgasms since learning how to have prostate Os. Not only are my ejaculatory orgasms way stronger and louder, but now sex includes multiple moaning, yelling, back scratching and pillow biting dry orgasms for me. My partners ask me if I’m ok after I orgasm because I think it can be scary to see someone writhing and trembling and grunting with their eyes rolled back in their head 🙂

So yes anyone who refuses to try to re-wire is missing out on enourmous amounts of pleasure, but I don’t think there is any connection with a bit of extra skin on the tip of your penis.

Cut or un-cut
,prostate knowledge can improve anyone’s sex life. Cut or un-cut doesn’t stop anyone from achieving prostate success. Intercourse is more pleasurable un-cut and one can’t get away from that,its biological fact. I’m sure I read somewhere 20-odd thousand nerve endings are lost through the removal. And they say over time the glans get calloused over thus dulling down what’s left. I don’t actually understand why anyone would want to be cut,what for? If I didn’t need a foreskin,surely I’d have been born without one. Religion responsible as per usual. Why would a mystical man in the sky ‘make us’ with a foreskin only to tell is to take a scalpel to a babies genitals? How the heck did people get taken in by that? I understand sometimes it’s for medical reasons,but apart from that it should be illegal,here in the uk FGM is illegal,why is it legal for males?..

I understand sometimes it’s for medical reasons,but apart from that it should be illegal,here in the uk FGM is illegal,why is it legal for males?..

Here in the US, California has a ban on banning male circs. Go figure.

@darkbond
As far as pure CNS functions go, circumcision wouldn't affect your ability to have a Super O. It may be a little more distracting, if you're glans is a little more sensitive for a while. For the most part, the issue would arise from a mental place. Some of us who won't accept what's been done to us let that frustration creep into anything involving sexuality. And again, people like me are a infinitesimal minority. YMMV, and reading what you've written, it sounds like something that won't bother you.

@darkbond Great discussion topic. @Tommygunn You have taken the words right out of my mouth and saved me a lot of typing, although I'm probably going to type a lot anyways!

I am in agreement with @Tommygunn on this, especially from the religion view - no religion/religious traditions should be forced upon anyone. We even waited to have our boys baptized until they decided they were good and ready, and that is just a little water on top of their head - no harm done. Unfortunately, the nurses after delivery talked me into having both of my boys circumcised and it is a decision I will regret for the rest of my life. I had no right to approve a cosmetic procedure for another person, especially one on their genitals.

I am desperately trying to undo my own circumcision through tugging, so I do have to say that I politely disagree with the notion that sex feels the same whether you are circumcised or uncircumcised. One of the reasons I started restoring my foreskin was due to a decreased amount of glans sensitivity as I got older. It took me a lot longer to ejaculate with my wife and often times I had to thrust harder than she was comfortable with just to try to "finish". That being said, I can't even express well in words how all of that has changed, but I will try.

In the past 6 or 7 months, I have kept my glans covered 24-7 with the skin that I do have. The result has been a de-keratinization of my glans and a HUGE INCREASE in glans sensitivity. I'll give you a few examples. My wife has never been able to make me ejaculate via a hand job - ever. It was just too much work for her, and her hand and arm would tire well before I was ready to release. Also, in our almost 18 years of marriage, she has never been able to make me cum via a blowjob either. Again it just took me way too long and she grew tired (certainly can't blame her). With this newly increased glans sensitivity, that is no longer a problem. Our sex life is better than ever, and my wife also has to ask me if I'm okay, as I am screaming and writhing underneath her. So there may not be too many people out there, like me, who can compare a glans with 40+ years of built up, callous-like material to a glans that is making its way back to the way nature intended, although I'd love to hear from others like me whether they agree or disagree with me. The only issue now is I feel like I am a 14 year old boy with a premature ejaculation problem! I think I will eventually adjust 🙂 There is just no comparison to before/after.

Given that, I certainly have to give my prostate credit, as I have learned to have full body, prostate based multiple orgasms during sex, but have to pull out a lot to keep from going past the point of no return. So my increased pleasure is probably a result of both prostate and restored glans.

@darkbond I am very sorry to hear about the issues with your foreskin and that you had to be circumcised as an adult. How long ago were you circumcised? I am glad you haven't experienced any decreased sensitivity, but am wondering if you will as time goes on? I imagine it will take your glans many years to turn into regular old skin. I would be curious to know if you have sensitivity loss long term.

I also understand that some people (especially aneros users) may not care about glans sensitivity, however, if you have a significant other and are sexually active with them, a sensitive glans really spices things up. God, I wish I could verbalize it better. All I can say is try to keep your glans covered for a few months if you have enough skin to do so (TLC Tugger retaining cone or manhoodcanada.com are good, inexpensive options) and report back with your findings - good or bad - again I'd be curious to know if I'm some weird anomaly LOL. Again, thanks for bringing up the topic and I'll be interested to hear what other have to say.

@jekyll&hyde you made a good point about partners,my wife had a cut boyfriend when you was younger,she did tell me once in a conversation that she found he was ‘dryer’ and the penis did move smoothly and she got chafed quite quickly. I just don’t see any upside to circumcision. Again,if medical,fair enough,but intentional?

I know some guys feel like they are missing out on something if they were circumcised as a kid. Which got me to thinking...
1. Can't you say the same for a guy who has never experienced a prostate orgasm/Super-O?

Perhaps you could say something similar if the male had a prostatectomy, otherwise they are quite different. If you still have a functioning prostate then the possibility exists to experience prostate orgasms and Super-O's. Without that organ your chances are reduced to between 'slim and none'.

2. In feeling what a prostate orgasm/Super-O feels like does this not bring into question the assumptions around the foreskin and sexual response?

I'm unclear about what assumptions to which you are referring. There can be no doubt that severing 20,000 nerve endings will cause reduced sensations, both potentially pleasant and potentially painful. Prostate induced orgasms are qualitatively different from penile based orgasms so that's kind of an 'apples-oranges' comparison. As I don't know what it feels like to have a foreskin to play with I will accept that you have found there to be little difference between the two physical states. However, there is also anecdotal evidence from men who have gone through the foreskin restoration process that some increased sensitivity to the Glans occurs as a result of reversing the keratinization which circumcised males endure, though they will never restore all the lost nerve endings.

I was a Neo-natal circumcised baby as many males were (and still are) so I don't really know what degree of sensitivity/pleasure I was denied. I am not angry with my parents for having done this as they were just acting in accord with their religious belief systems. Still, I think it would have been nice if the decision to alter/modify my body were mine and not forced upon me based on other individuals belief systems.

Germane to this discussion, I invite all users to read and vote in @ArticWolves 's Poll thread Foreskin Restoration - Restoration of the World, there are some good points to ponder from the respondents thereto.
Good Vibes to You !

@Tommygunn i totally disagree when you say that “sex is more pleasurable with a foreskin and that’s a fact”. It is not a fact, because nerve endings don’t equal pleasure.

Pleasure is created in the brain, not in the amount of nerve endings, as prostate play makes clear to us. Pleasure is psychological. If stimulating nerve endings resulted in pleasure, and that alone, then sexuality would be a piece of cake. But no. Pleasure is a much more complex equation.

Also we all live our own reality, so there is no way any of us can say “I feel more pleasure than you”. What you call a fact is completely un-provable, if you agree that pleasure doesn’t equal amount of nerve endings. But there is no competition for who has the most pleasure. All that matters is that we make the most of what we have. Example. My nipples are crazy sensitive to the point of giving me orgasms. My best friend gets no pleasure from his, but does get pleasure in other ways that I will not enumerate here, though they have nothing to do with nerve endings. His pleasure is great. Is it greater than mine? Who cares?

I agree that doctors shouldn’t modify anyone’s genitals without the patient being a willing adult. But to say that those with modified genitals are enjoying sex less (and I am talking as a circumcised male— I am aware that there are female genital modifications that destroy the outer clitoris, and I can not even begin to fathom the physical and psychological consequences), is making false conclusions based on an equation where pleasure=nerve endings.

The brain plays it part,as it does everything human body.Particularly by decoding msgs it receives from the nerve endings all over the body.
To say nerves are irrelevant is odd,as the nerves in the anal canal and around the prostate are what we ‘massage’. Those struggling may block the msgs with frustrations but that doesn’t change how the process works. In fact if it really is only the brain,then why can’t a guy in a wheelchair walk? Why does it matter what nerves are cut or don’t work? Surely the brain can command him to walk since nerves are irrelevant?
Do you mean the foreskin and frenulum band are two useless mistake pieces the body that don’t serve a purpose or function like everything else?
There has been anecdotal evidence from men whom had a working foreskin who’ve had to have removal and have said sex is not the same. Sensitivity is much decreased,in fact read jekylls comment above,he’s been keeping his glans covered 24/7 for a time he has gained a lot of sensitivity,due to the callous skin covering the glans receding. or do you think he’s just imagined that. Dark defo stirred up the hornets nest with this one.
And no it’s not a competition but ‘prove it’ won’t cut it on this subject. I’m a man,I know what they do and why it should be illegal to remove them unless for medical need. Hey sorry if you offended,but saying there’s no different in cut and un cut is rediculous.

Hey @Tommygunn , don't worry, you didn't offend me. I just think it is dangerous to say something is a fact without any proof, and as I explained above, and will explain again below, I don't think amount of nerve endings is proof of pleasure. Also, I enjoy debating 🙂

I still don't agree. I didn't say nerves are irrelevant. I said what matters is how you process stimulation. So having more or fewer nerve endings seems arbitrary compared to how we react to the stimulus of those nerve endings we have. Of course having zero nerve endings is a problem, but last I checked, my circumcised penis is chock full of nerve endings. (My big find this week is having dry orgasm after dry orgasm by rubbing my cock slowly on my partner's stomach, and it happens pretty much immediately...)

In the end I will never know whether sex is better, worse, or the same with a foreskin. I have no way of finding out, and no desire to modify my genitals. If my penis is getting more and more calloused with age for lack of a protective foreskin, I sure haven't noticed. I have never in my life gotten so much sexual pleasure as I have in the last months since this journey began. Any difference in nerves between my penis and an uncut penis is largely overshadowed during sex by myriad other factors. Connection with a partner, trust, arousal, compassion, power-play, and so on and so forth, plus all of the other points of contact between our bodies... I really think it just doesn't matter. If pleasure boiled down to amount of nerve endings, then the question of sexuality would be much more simple.

So again, to claim as fact that sex is more pleasurable without a foreskin as a fact is dangerous. It can make circumcised men think that their problems with sex are based on their lack of foreskin, and not on other factors, such as arousal, attentiveness, connection with their partner, etc. It can make someone concentrate on their disappointment in their genitals, and not on all of the other much more important factors of sex.

This actually makes me think of the saying-- not quite related, but in the same vein-- that it isn't size that matters, it is what you do with it. I have learned through experience that this is completely true. For my argument, I will change it to this: it isn't the amount of stimulus you receive, but how you process it.

For example: caress my hand slowly and I just might have a orgasm. Caress someone else's hand and they will say it tickles. Yet another person won't even take notice because their mind is elsewhere... yet we all have the same amount of nerve endings in our hands. Or better yet, 6 months ago I couldn't have an orgasm from having my hand caressed, and now I can. Same hand, same amount of nerve endings, same stimulus, but different response to stimulus...

I was circumcised neonatally. I wouldn’t have my son circumcised if I ever had a male child, because I don’t see the point. But I don’t at all regret my circumcision. I get enourmous amounts of pleasure from my penis, and now thanks to re-wiring, from every square inch of skin on my body. I couldn’t care less if my penis may be more sensitive with a foreskin for two reasons. One, I will never know. Two, there are so many other ways to get pleasure other than by stimulating my penis.

like you i also have amped up my orgasms since learning how to have prostate Os. Not only are my ejaculatory orgasms way stronger and louder, but now sex includes multiple moaning, yelling, back scratching and pillow biting dry orgasms for me. My partners ask me if I’m ok after I orgasm because I think it can be scary to see someone writhing and trembling and grunting with their eyes rolled back in their head 🙂

So yes anyone who refuses to try to re-wire is missing out on enourmous amounts of pleasure, but I don’t think there is any connection with a bit of extra skin on the tip of your penis.

So here's the thing...I'm not looking for a connection. I know there isnt one.
My thought process is around the men who exclaim their orgasm is so diminished or that sex isnt enjoyable. On the other end of the spectrum I can say they are full of it because during sex they are focused on their penis so much that they dont realize that they could engage something else to give them even bigger orgasms and more pleasure during sex.

Cut or un-cut
,prostate knowledge can improve anyone’s sex life. Cut or un-cut doesn’t stop anyone from achieving prostate success. Intercourse is more pleasurable un-cut and one can’t get away from that,its biological fact. I’m sure I read somewhere 20-odd thousand nerve endings are lost through the removal. And they say over time the glans get calloused over thus dulling down what’s left. I don’t actually understand why anyone would want to be cut,what for? If I didn’t need a foreskin,surely I’d have been born without one. Religion responsible as per usual. Why would a mystical man in the sky ‘make us’ with a foreskin only to tell is to take a scalpel to a babies genitals? How the heck did people get taken in by that? I understand sometimes it’s for medical reasons,but apart from that it should be illegal,here in the uk FGM is illegal,why is it legal for males?..

So lets clear up some things. Circumcision wasnt originally a religious thing. It was done in Egyptian culture and it was never carried out on babies. It was always done as a transition from boyhood to manhood.

I was cut as an adult and in the two years before I was cut I did a ton of research and tried to stretch. The foreskin is really split into two main parts...the outer foreskin which is basically skin...and the inner foreskin which holds the nerves. When choosing a doctor you gotta go to one that knows how to preserve the inner foreskin which is what I did. I dont feel any noticeable difference between sex before and after and the only difference is now I use lube to masturbate. Personally I try not to equate being born with something with it being a necessity...see appendix or tonsils. Not saying the foreskin is those and I do think everyone is entitled to have a functional one.

As for FGM...its completely different seeing as it looks to actually rip away any form of pleasure from the female.

Perhaps you could say something similar if the male had a prostatectomy, otherwise they are quite different. If you still have a functioning prostate then the possibility exists to experience prostate orgasms and Super-O's. Without that organ your chances are reduced to between 'slim and none'.
I'm unclear about what assumptions to which you are referring. There can be no doubt that severing 20,000 nerve endings will cause reduced sensations, both potentially pleasant and potentially painful. Prostate induced orgasms are qualitatively different from penile based orgasms so that's kind of an 'apples-oranges' comparison. As I don't know what it feels like to have a foreskin to play with I will accept that you have found there to be little difference between the two physical states. However, there is also anecdotal evidence from men who have gone through the foreskin restoration process that some increased sensitivity to the Glans occurs as a result of reversing the keratinization which circumcised males endure, though they will never restore all the lost nerve endings.

I was a Neo-natal circumcised baby as many males were (and still are) so I don't really know what degree of sensitivity/pleasure I was denied. I am not angry with my parents for having done this as they were just acting in accord with their religious belief systems. Still, I think it would have been nice if the decision to alter/modify my body were mine and not forced upon me based on other individuals belief systems.

Germane to this discussion, I invite all users to read and vote in @ArticWolves 's Poll thread Foreskin Restoration - Restoration of the World, there are some good points to ponder from the respondents thereto.
Good Vibes to You !

But rumel...I can engage my prostate during regular intercourse which in turn creates more pleasure during sex than when I even had a foreskin.

As stated in my earlier post...as a male that was circumcised as an adult...and who had the opportunity to curate his own circumcision and retain the inner foreskin...I would put my penis pleasure up against anyone...cut or uncut. The kertinization really comes into play in non-sexual moments. Like me putting on my underwear or taking piss. Once the hormones from a sexual encounter start flowing....my penis wakes up.

But yes...prostate orgasms are different however...it doesnt stop any male from actually engaging the prostate during sex...this is what I have been experimenting with my wife over the past few months and the pleasure I am getting is unreal. So to your point...for the amount of time it takes someone to "restore" their foreskin...what if they rewired their prostate and derived pleasure from that to aid their mindset? See what I'm saying?

@Tommygunn i totally disagree when you say that “sex is more pleasurable with a foreskin and that’s a fact”. It is not a fact, because nerve endings don’t equal pleasure.

Pleasure is created in the brain, not in the amount of nerve endings, as prostate play makes clear to us. Pleasure is psychological. If stimulating nerve endings resulted in pleasure, and that alone, then sexuality would be a piece of cake. But no. Pleasure is a much more complex equation.

Also we all live our own reality, so there is no way any of us can say “I feel more pleasure than you”. What you call a fact is completely un-provable, if you agree that pleasure doesn’t equal amount of nerve endings. But there is no competition for who has the most pleasure. All that matters is that we make the most of what we have. Example. My nipples are crazy sensitive to the point of giving me orgasms. My best friend gets no pleasure from his, but does get pleasure in other ways that I will not enumerate here, though they have nothing to do with nerve endings. His pleasure is great. Is it greater than mine? Who cares?

I agree that doctors shouldn’t modify anyone’s genitals without the patient being a willing adult. But to say that those with modified genitals are enjoying sex less (and I am talking as a circumcised male— I am aware that there are female genital modifications that destroy the outer clitoris, and I can not even begin to fathom the physical and psychological consequences), is making false conclusions based on an equation where pleasure=nerve endings.

This is basically what I have been thinking in my head all week....
Basically there is a whole army of guys restoring their foreskins to get back pleasure...
What if these same guys were trying to rewire?

Hey @Tommygunn , don't worry, you didn't offend me. I just think it is dangerous to say something is a fact without any proof, and as I explained above, and will explain again below, I don't think amount of nerve endings is proof of pleasure. Also, I enjoy debating 🙂

I still don't agree. I didn't say nerves are irrelevant. I said what matters is how you process stimulation. So having more or fewer nerve endings seems arbitrary compared to how we react to the stimulus of those nerve endings we have. Of course having zero nerve endings is a problem, but last I checked, my circumcised penis is chock full of nerve endings. (My big find this week is having dry orgasm after dry orgasm by rubbing my cock slowly on my partner's stomach, and it happens pretty much immediately...)

In the end I will never know whether sex is better, worse, or the same with a foreskin. I have no way of finding out, and no desire to modify my genitals. If my penis is getting more and more calloused with age for lack of a protective foreskin, I sure haven't noticed. I have never in my life gotten so much sexual pleasure as I have in the last months since this journey began. Any difference in nerves between my penis and an uncut penis is largely overshadowed during sex by myriad other factors. Connection with a partner, trust, arousal, compassion, power-play, and so on and so forth, plus all of the other points of contact between our bodies... I really think it just doesn't matter. If pleasure boiled down to amount of nerve endings, then the question of sexuality would be much more simple.

So again, to claim as fact that sex is more pleasurable without a foreskin as a fact is dangerous. It can make circumcised men think that their problems with sex are based on their lack of foreskin, and not on other factors, such as arousal, attentiveness, connection with their partner, etc. It can make someone concentrate on their disappointment in their genitals, and not on all of the other much more important factors of sex.

This actually makes me think of the saying-- not quite related, but in the same vein-- that it isn't size that matters, it is what you do with it. I have learned through experience that this is completely true. For my argument, I will change it to this: it isn't the amount of stimulus you receive, but how you process it.

For example: caress my hand slowly and I just might have a orgasm. Caress someone else's hand and they will say it tickles. Yet another person won't even take notice because their mind is elsewhere... yet we all have the same amount of nerve endings in our hands. Or better yet, 6 months ago I couldn't have an orgasm from having my hand caressed, and now I can. Same hand, same amount of nerve endings, same stimulus, but different response to stimulus...

The crux of the issue...I hate how men and our genitals are guessing game.
We have zero hardcore tested evidence around the foreskin
We have even less information out there outside of this site...a few other sites, reddit and a bunch of buried books about the true wonders of a prostate orgasm...
And all we have is folks telling us what we should feel or how things should be when truthfully...the sky is the limit.